Mini 1751: Steven Universe - The Prequel (GAME OVER)

[Reasonably Rational]

if you're trying to school me OR tth about anything, you've got some fucking nerve

Incompetence is incompetence, Anti, regardless of who it comes from. I like you guys, and I was stoked to see that you were in this game since I know you're highly effective as town and I didn't have to like trick you or anything, but letting a claimed IC never confirm themselves when it seems likely to cost very little is just terrible play.

-Cerb

[Heartless]

hold on, i still have to figure out what the fuck anyone's talking about

[Frozen Angel]

Consider this thread locked! ok thx! good night...

[Reasonably Rational]

hold on, i still have to figure out what the fuck anyone's talking about

RC has claimed to have no fusion powers, and an alliance power which will confirm them as IC. We want you guys to ally with them, rather than fusing, so they can use their alliance power and become confirmed. TTH refuses to do so, because ????(because she believes RC is obvtown and that Jeanne wouldn't make an IC claim as scum, I'm assuming, but she hasn't come out and said that yet).

Letting a claimed IC in a mini(well, ever, but especially in a mini when we don't have as many opportunities to get her that alliance) get away with not actually using their IC is a bad play to Drixx and myself. That's what we're talking about.

-Cerb

[Heartless]

ok... from what i'm seeing

tth's insistence makes sense only if you know what we know about our role AND you share her opinion of rc's slot AND you share my opinion of who's likely to get nk'd.

i don't think you fit any of those three things.

[Frozen Angel]

yayayyayaya

[Heartless]

hold on, i still have to figure out what the fuck anyone's talking about

RC has claimed to have no fusion powers, and an alliance power which will confirm them as IC. We want you guys to ally with them, rather than fusing, so they can use their alliance power and become confirmed. TTH refuses to do so, because ????(because she believes RC is obvtown and that Jeanne wouldn't make an IC claim as scum, I'm assuming, but she hasn't come out and said that yet).

Letting a claimed IC in a mini(well, ever, but especially in a mini when we don't have as many opportunities to get her that alliance) get away with not actually using their IC is a bad play to Drixx and myself. That's what we're talking about.

-Cerb

so.... leading a lynch on someone who by all appearances is about to flip scum against a REALLY STEEP gradient ain't doing anything for ya'?

i mean... forget the ic claim, rc is really town by play

[Reasonably Rational]

ok... from what i'm seeing

tth's insistence makes sense only if you know what we know about our role AND you share her opinion of rc's slot AND you share my opinion of who's likely to get nk'd.

i don't think you fit any of those three things.

So you're saying you understand why Drixx and I think you guys are playing terribly, which is uncharacteristic for you, by supporting what we see as anti-town behavior?

Also, i share her opinion of RC's slot(if she thinks RC is town), I just don't trust my opinion over facts. The other two things you are correct about.

-Cerb

pedit: I've said SOOOO many times that I think RC is likely town. Likely town is not confirmed town and confirmed town is what we could have and not letting the entire town have confirmed town is anti-town.

[Heartless]

what did rc lie about? are you talking about the fake daycop guilty?

[Heartless]

pedit: I've said SOOOO many times that I think RC is likely town. Likely town is not confirmed town and confirmed town is what we could have and not letting the entire town have confirmed town is anti-town.

yes, but there is a trade off.

one that i don't think is worth sacrificing to get rc from "holy shit really probably town" to "confirmed"

[Heartless]

So you're saying you understand why Drixx and I think you guys are playing terribly, which is uncharacteristic for you, by supporting what we see as anti-town behavior?

no

"YOU THINK we're playing terribly" is different from "we're playing terribly"

opinions aren't facts, remember?

[Frozen Angel]

Who is playing terribly again?

[Reasonably Rational]

So you're saying you understand why Drixx and I think you guys are playing terribly, which is uncharacteristic for you, by supporting what we see as anti-town behavior?

no

"YOU THINK we're playing terribly" is different from "we're playing terribly"

opinions aren't facts, remember?

I said think....It says it in what you quoted. We "think" that you're playing terribly. All i'm asking is, given that you just stated that tth's insistence doesn't make sense without agreeing with you on two things, only one of which I agree with you on, and knowledge of something I can't have knowledge of, whether or not you understand why what you're doing looking shady as fuck to us?

-Cerb

[Heartless]

wow........

you do really need to get over yourself if you really are town this time.

[Heartless]

All i'm asking is, given that you just stated that tth's insistence doesn't make sense without agreeing with you on two things, only one of which I agree with you on, and knowledge of something I can't have knowledge of, whether or not you understand why what you're doing looking shady as fuck to us?

why would you assume scum motivation for it?

[Frozen Angel]

Can you guys lynch the actual scum tomorrow?! Tx

I'm going to sleep!

bye

[Reasonably Rational]

wow........

you do really need to get over yourself if you really are town this time.

All i'm asking is, given that you just stated that tth's insistence doesn't make sense without agreeing with you on two things, only one of which I agree with you on, and knowledge of something I can't have knowledge of, whether or not you understand why what you're doing looking shady as fuck to us?

why would you assume scum motivation for it?

I'm not assuming scum motivation, it just doesn't make sense. You're both too smart to enable an anti-town play as town. Maybe you just fucked up. I'd be more inclined to think you screwed up and talked yourself into making a suboptimal play by overthinking or underthinking something. Drixx thinks it's the scummy sort of not making sense.

-Cerb

[Heartless]

I'm not assuming scum motivation, it just doesn't make sense.

it doesn't make sense to you because you don't have all the information.

the only thing i can really do at this point is tell you to accept it which is what i guess tth was doing this afternoon.

unless of course you're trying to make us claim now, which DOES have scum motivation.

[Heartless]

Drixx thinks it's the scummy sort of not making sense.

oh he does, does he?

what are his reads?

[Heartless]

yeah, i'm completely down with rr eating lead tonight if there's someone with a vig shot handy.

[Reasonably Rational]

Drixx thinks it's the scummy sort of not making sense.

oh he does, does he?

what are his reads?

Well, he's biased. He loathes RC and was on the verge of just getting us mod-killed earlier today so he wouldn't have to deal with him anymore, so in his (biased) world you're scum together.

We haven't really talked much, other than today, to complain about RC making us not want to play.

I think he's just being biased cause he doesn't like RC. I'm rather lacking in reads. RC is probably town for reasons given before, wgeurts is likely town for trying to fake hammer us and doing a fake vig and just stupid wgeurts is making dumb gambits stuff, eh...That's about it. Marquis had a slight town lean from the start of the day,but it's kinda faded to null with the lack of content. That's it from the top of my head. Depending on how FA flips(which does seem likely to be scum) I'll at least skim some iso's during the night since nobody is going to shoot us with the whole IC proclaimed death tunnel on us.

-Cerb

[Heartless]

well now i'm kind of curious.

is it about the whole "i have a case i'm just not going to say" thing?

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, no, it's just he doesn't like his posting style or play style and feels that he's filling the thread with noise. I mean, there's real reasons to think he's scummy, but *I* think it's dislike of playstyle leading to him giving greater weight to things than he would otherwise.

But, umm, in summation.

We both hate the faked daycop and find such behavior anti-town.

We find it suspect that he was suspicious of us upon his entry and promised a case...then said he felt better about our slots...then didn't say anything about us for hundreds of posts, only to decide we were scum again without any reasons given(So, that's the case but not gonna give it thing).

The massive amount of back and forth between him and FA was all unnecessary. He had decided she was scum quite some time before that, and there was nothing to be gained from continuing to talk to her, but he did, instead of focusing his effort on getting other people to vote for her, he kept humoring her. She did a lot of the posting, but he supported it by responding, just like he did when she went on her spamming binge.

We hate the assumption of IC status simply by claiming IC, and everything associated with that, the whole refusal to ally and constant assertion that everything be seen in the light of he is IC, and he is thus right.

I think those are the main points of contention, and not all of them are reasons to scumread someone, but they are reasons to not like someone.

Against all that is the unlikeliness of scum claiming IC. Which is a super strong point.

What was my point supposed to be again? What did you want to know?
-Cerb

[Varsoon]

"You could link your mind with the energy of all existing matter, channeling the collective power of the universe through your gem."

-Garnet,

Gem Glow

VOTECOUNT 1.12 : LYNCH

Frozen Angel (

LYNCH

):

Heartless, RadiantCowbells, Masters of Bull, farside22, Hiplop, wgeurts, Frozen Angel

Klingoncelt (2):

3dicerolling, Errantparabola

Farside22 (1):

Marquis

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, Klingoncelt, Elbirn

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline was

: (expired on 2016-01-14 14:20:00)

[Varsoon]

The first rebels were few in number, but their cause was enough to give the Diamond Authority pause.

It was for this reason that a Sapphire was sent to look into the future of the rebellion on Earth and divine what the next move should be. By the time she arrived, it was far too late and the Crystal Gems were already upon them. Sapphire tried to flee, but in the end, she was not made for combat like the Quartz. This particular Sapphire found herself quickly defeated, although she knew this was all eventual. It was her fate to arrive without enough time to defend herself, just as it was her fate to be bubbled and taken away by the traitors to the Homeworld.

In her last moments, Sapphire wondered if it could have all been different; if fate could be changed. Such thoughts would keep her company in the bubble for several years to come.

Frozen Angel was bubbled (lynched) on Day 1. She was Sapphire, aligned with

The Homeworld Gems

.

Sapphire's role functions as follows:

Spoiler:

PLAYER NAME - SAPPHIRE

Future Vision

Such is fate.

Also inevitable. Each Night phase, you may target a player to ALLY or FUSE with. Refer to the Rules post in the thread for how ALLIANCES and FUSIONS function. I keep looking into the future, where all of this has been solved, as if it doesn't matter how you feel in the present. You may only use this ability if you are in an ALLIANCE. You may target a player at night and choose any night (including this one); you will discover who that player targeted with their night action during the night you selected. We must move past this. Whenever FUSED, both you and your fusion partner require one more vote than usual to lynch. This ability may not be used in LYLO.