Blitz 17: Netherspite's Blitz SORM II [Game over]

[AlwaysInnocent]

Hello everybody. *waves*

[AlwaysInnocent]

A lynchless day? How weird. So the deadline is fixed?

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Presumably.
Hello again AI.
I'm not incredibly excited about my role.

Errant claims neutral.

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AI how did you get "neutral" from "not very excited about my role"

You are feeling neutral about your neutral role. Makes sense.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Last time when Ranger townread me, she was town.

Now Ranger seems to scumread me. Therefore, she is scum.

QED. Flawless logic. You can thank me later.

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No, she is scum. I already concluded that logically.

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Yakko disagrees.

Therefore he is scum too.

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Man. This day is really, really boring. There is no sense of danger at all.

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No, you're basically threatening me with a water pistol.

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Hahaha.

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Maybe

why hesitation! I'm obviously scum!

Frozen Angel claims to be scum here. That saves us a lot of work.

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Frozen Angel is scum. She said it herself.

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I will. You have been totally exposed.

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Yay! this is going to be my worst scum game ever!

I was expecting a more passionated reaction if you were town, because then it would be a false accusation and you hate those. Now you seem to be fine with it, which would explain a lot if you are scum.

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some, Wisdom seems scummy.

Oh? Talk to us about that.

Actually that's how I feel ... Not my read. I'm working on it

Don't avoid me! You're the main suspect here!

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Your face is awful

Great defense.

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I didn't like 88.

It's forcing scum motivation where it doesn't really fit. Mostly because it's entirely conceivable that rkvothe, being new to the site might hold conviction for 'credit grabbing' being a scumtell. That thought never crossed their mind.

Also if anyone should get credit for saying to not mass claim, at least for today it should be me. I SAID IT FIRST. lol

The only credit you get is scum credit. You just won the lotto.

Agreed. Scum often point out pro-town things that should just be common sense. It does not get you any town points.

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Holy bundles of sticks in the mud.

I was clearly being sarcastic.

That's what they all say.

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Frozen Angel is so obviously not town. I am going to lynch her tomorrow.

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Okay? Just seems like a lot of scum/leanscum reads for page one to me. I dunno, hopefully Ranger can shed some light on this.

Ranger does this every game.

Unfortunately.

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Part of me is thinking FA is jester, but would she be this obvious?

I don't know or care. All I know is that she is not town.

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Part of me is thinking FA is jester, but would she be this obvious?

I don't know or care. All I know is that she is not town.

When I'm town, I prefer not to succeed any win conditions other than my own. As scum, you wouldn't care if she was jester would you AI?

Oh, right. Jester. Lynching is good for Jester. Yes. My bad.

But if the Jester wins, this means scum also lose, right? So if you think it is a scumtell, you are probably wrong. Unless I forgot something else.

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I already regret joining this game. Fucking neutral roles.

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AI have you played with FA before?

I can't talk about that yet.

But I have played with you, and you questioning me all the time is what you do as scum.

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That makes the possibility that you're hard-bussing FA at least nonzero.

Lol. What?

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Why am I scummy, Ranger? You don't make the mistake of early townreading me again, because you know I will find you suspicious for it?

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Null would have been more believable, but you can do what you want.

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Ranger, that modification is not believable enough.

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my reads list does not take this into account; the reads presented are "ignoring third parties and focusing purely on town/scum, this is what I see".

This is my approach, too. Ideally, neutral players are somewhere in the middle (because they are neither Town or Mafia).

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I'm town and I can prove that if I survive tonight ...

Why wouldn't you survive tonight?

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So, Frozen Angel, you are claiming vig?

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Hahahahaha. LOL. Nice scumclaim.

You're obviously lying.

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If you were the vig, you would have known that you can't kill on N1.

At least read the role you are going to fakeclaim.

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I also know that you can't be the vig, because I am the vig.

And I tried to kill on N1, which failed, because I missed that part. If you had tried to NK, you would have known you couldn't kill anyone on N1.

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So, FA, you will eat rope today.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

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But you aren't.

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Nope. You didn't know that you couldn't kill on N1. You would have known this if you had tried to kill anyone.

You are the mass murderer, probably.

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Nice try, but I am not buying it.

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Wait, the jailor? So the action was submitted before N1?

Hm. Then I could be wrong.

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Never mind. It is easy to verify that the jailor indeed jailed FA. And if that is true, the neutral role would have to be someone else.

Sorry.

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UNVOTE: Frozen Angel

[AlwaysInnocent]

You could still be scum, but you are not the neutral killing role at least.

[AlwaysInnocent]

So guys.

3dice, the Cultist, tried to recruit me.

Lynch please.

Tried to...?

[AlwaysInnocent]

Confirmed neutral role.

VOTE: 3dice

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Other people you guys should lynch if I don't make it: Persivul, Aristophanes, and maybe Sensei and Aronis.

I was looking at the very same people. Not kidding.

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For real, AA is probably scum. Not even joking

Why?

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AA are town.

Are you saying what I think you are saying?

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Oh. Never mind then.

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Chainsaw?

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otherwise killing scum would have died, right?

Not if the Godfather did the kill. They have nightkill immunity.

But it could also be the case that it is a SK, right?

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It is flavor.

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Mod:

Can a blackmailed player vote in the gamethread, or can they not post at all?[/b]

Voting necessitates posting, so that would be an inconsistent rule.

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:/

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If the blackmail is legit I could see ika being scum now.

How? Blackmailer is a Mafia role, so that would make AA neutral.

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Nope. They can target their partners.

Lol. Really?

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Who would want to blackmail AA, though? Did they do anything special?

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I would rather blackmail Wisdom or something if I were scum.

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So since blackmailing town-AA doesn't make sense, can we assume that they are scum?

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Why do you presume that AA is the jailor?

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Okay. I guess that clears AA.

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Oh. I didn't see that. Hmm. If there is a jailor that can counterclaim, then it would make AA's claim less likely.

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FA are you scumreading me? If not, why do you want me to claim now?

We are massclaiming.

Not claiming means scumclaiming.

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Errant is probably scum, now that I think of it.

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who is this anoris?!

is he even in this game?!

He made one post. That's it.

I was going to vig him on N1. Then I found I couldn't.

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I am not playing this game with AA. They are totally useless right now.

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It's better for them to answer questions and not make any unnecessary votes, since they are incomprehensible.

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Errant is scum. That's why they are not claiming. It is so obvious.

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Errant is the scummy one here.

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Errant, claim or I am going to shoot you tonight.

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If we allow Dice to live, he will be able to recruit someone. Then the Cult lives on. So that's a really bad idea.

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He is confirmed scum.

Why no lynch when you have confirmation? That's totally irrational.

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Errant is scum. That's why they are not claiming. It is so obvious.

Give me a reason why i would be afraid of claiming my category right now as scum.

hey buddy i asked you a question. I guarantee i'll claim before night.

Claiming as scum means you are exposing yourself (because you can be counterclaimed). This is why you are waiting. You are checking what the best role is to claim.

My threat still stands. Claim now or be shot.

[AlwaysInnocent]

AI, Errant is town. Please stop.

Seriously, why do you think this? This is totally not unlike Errant's scum game.

Erra there aren't enough town slots for evryone!

and whats this shit! how can all 3 random slots being killing/power!

this is a cool pew pew game!

Errant is lying.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I don't know his meta but he's looked consistently town

Yeah, just like in Blitz 11. Except that Errant was scum. Most people believed Errant was town. Errant can be quite convincing, but there is something about their play that stands out: the way they are asking questions and trying to avoid to roleclaim.

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Errant is lying.

You know, you seemed logical enough in Double Trouble.
What happened?

I learned not to townread you for scummy play.

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Also I'm town power

Tomorrow I propose that we lynch in AI/Yakko then.

Yeah. Except that you will be dead by then.

[AlwaysInnocent]

you don't get to pick and choose what you respond to.

Yes, I do.

I pick whatever I want.

This is EXACTLY what you used against me last time. Not falling for it again.

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UNVOTE: 3dice

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Yakko, mind to comment on what happened instead of just dropping a vote?

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you don't get to pick and choose what you respond to.

Yes, I do.

I pick whatever I want.

This is EXACTLY what you used against me last time. Not falling for it again.

You are the one with the burden of proof.
You don't have the fucking luxury of getting to ignore things that suggest your scumcase is invalid.
You don't get to expect people to believe your scumcase true if your obstinate behavior continues like this.
If you're town, go ahead and shoot me and relish the fact that you were wrong. Relish the fact that you ignored the logic that I gave you.

The thing is, I don't need other people to believe me. So yeah, you need to defend yourself. I have the luxury of shooting you, remember.

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"True."?

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It is extremely unlikely that there are this many killing powers.

Vig, Vig, Jailor, Jailor (?).

For town alone.

And then you have the Mafia, neutral killing.

Is that likely? I think not. So how likely is it that Errant is town?

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Sigh. Welp. Carry on wisdom. I expect an apology with my flip.

What is your exact role?

[AlwaysInnocent]

Yakko, roleclaim.

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It is extremely unlikely that there are this many killing powers.

Vig, Vig, Jailor, Jailor (?).

For town alone.

And then you have the Mafia, neutral killing.

Is that likely? I think not. So how likely is it that Errant is town?

Vig, Vig, Jailor, Spy, Errant. Five.

It is likely, yes. The setup is random generated.

Stop being paranoid just because he happened to fool you in another game. He's town.

Truly random? How is this done on this site?

Because for all we know, the moderators can "tweak" the actual role distribution to make it more balanced.

[AlwaysInnocent]

No, the town motivation is not obvious at all.

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Yakko, what is your role? Last time.

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You said you were a town power.

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Alright. Yakko is Amnesiac. If he can copy Ranger's role, then we will win this game pretty easily.

The town spy is way more powerful than the cop.

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We won't waste a vig shot for 3dice. I can kill him but killing roles act before me so that's not safe either. We'll lynch him.

Yes. There can be no doubt about this.

[AlwaysInnocent]

If Errant is town, then the remaining scum pool is Persivul, Ardonis, Sensei and Aristophanes.

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Hey yakko, you should copy my role :p

Yes, except that he will be recruited by the masons and die.

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Hey yakko, you should copy my role :p

Yes, except that he will be recruited by the masons and die.

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I'm repeating.

I'm organizing the night actions. I clearly have more exp here ...

No, since you could still be scum.

I will shoot the most scummy player.

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as all we know you can be a natural killer , mafia as well.

I will organize the night actions to make sure town won't do stupid contradicted stuff.

in this game town really needs the right night actions.

for more info go read the game I linked before and see how titus screwed up night actions ...

No. Even if we are going to organize the night actions, then this should happen by consensus (only claimed PRs can participate), to minimize the influence of scum.

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because as I can see I'm kind of fairly town readed and I'm more experienced.

More experienced than whom? Have you been playing this game since 2008 too?

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because as I can see I'm kind of fairly town readed and I'm more experienced.

More experienced than whom? Have you been playing this game since 2008 too?

lol no! But I played 1 and read 4 before

Wow, two games.

you played this setup ever again?

I used to play these role madness games all the time, unfortunately.

the way no one understood there is a mass murderer here shows how you guys know about this setup

So? That is flavor specific. It has nothing to do with the game mechanics at all.

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Anyway, I don't like how you try to put yourself as the town leader. It is incredibly scummy. If anyone should be the town leader, it is Wisdom. He is more clearly town, not you.

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I think Wisdom should take the initiative. I trust him more. I don't want you to manipulate it.

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and I meant I played 1 game and I read four games with exactly similar setup.

Exactly ....

so I'm not talking about role madness games ... Its this specific game

and that flavour thing is proved. we have a MM here

pedit : what a bad bad bad manipulator girl am I

Alright, FA. What do you suggest? Tell me what the winning combination of night actions will be.

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Mod:

Can a blackmailed player vote in the gamethread, or can they not post at all?[/b]

Blackmailed player can vote in the game thread, however crumbing any significant information with the votes is forbidden.

I know it is up to the mod...

...But I find this completely arbitrary. How do you determine whether a vote contains "significant information"?

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Jail and kill someone. That is an extra potential kill over what happens if we Lynch the cultist.

One more option:
We can also lynch someone else.. and have wisdom kill the cultist.

Lynching people gets the info from the days discussion.

No. No. No. Way too risky.

We lynch the cultist now.

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No. No. No. Way too risky.

explain who while playing to their win con would stop the mason killing the cultist.

1. You can't trust players with different win conditions to play in the town' s favor. That should be obvious.
2. We don't have much time.

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A Cultist is like a virus waiting to spread.

We have the chance to eliminate him now. Contain the virus.

But some people seem to want to take unnecessary risks.

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OK.

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We can only do that if we can ensure that 3dice dies tonight. Let's don't forget about that.

The thing is, making suboptimal plays isn't necessarily going against win condition. I'd rather we just lynch 3dice today... I guess I just don't want to leave anything up to chance. shrug

I agree with scum Errant.

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Don't target the same person. If there is a mass murderer then that will end in a slaughter.

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Exactly Axle. You cannot expect people with different win conditions to help you.

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So, there are now two Cultists, probably. This is why we should have lynched him.

I was thinking of shooting Frozen Angel tonight. I really did not like her trying to put herself as the town leader. I was very close to shooting her. However, I decided to shoot someone else. My kill did not go through for some reason, or it was redirected.

I did not shoot either FA or Errant.

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Wait, Frozen Angel was a Jester.

There can only be two benign neutral roles max.

This means that Yakko or Aronis must be scum. We can say this with

complete certainty

.

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I think I was roleblocked.

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Ah. I misunderstood. It was the Jester. FA roleblocked me. Damn you.

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No, wait. I misunderstood again. The mod made a mistake.

I tried to shoot someone and nothing happened. Maybe redirected after all?

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VOTE: 3dice

There is a chance that 3dice tried to convert a player that is now dead, or otherwise failed. So it is best to just lynch his ass right now.

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Lol Randomidget is Mafia or neutral killing.

Your claiming your action was to try and convert them and you failed?

Ha. Good one. This could be true.

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Ah. I misunderstood. It was the Jester. FA roleblocked me. Damn you.

How did FA role block you?

Read my follow-up post.

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No, wait. I misunderstood again. The mod made a mistake.

I tried to shoot someone and nothing happened. Maybe redirected after all?

What notfications did you receive.

Basically no feedback. The Jester thing was a mistake.

This could mean that my action was redirected, or blocked (roleblocker, or I hit the Godfather or MM).

[AlwaysInnocent]

I think I was roleblocked as well?

I've redirected ev
Ery action on Wisdom onto Persivul

No, you didn't.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Since Ranger, Errant and AA were power/killing, and I am as well, this means, with 100% certainty, that rkvothe or Sensei is lying, i.e., scum.

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Sensei claimed government, but that slot was already taken by Wisdom, so he had to be one of the random powers. However, that does not match up if you are the bus driver.

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And I'm protective. Why are you not neutral killing?

You're changing your roleclaim? Okay. Well, nice to know you are scum then.

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Oh, never mind. Bus driver is classified as protective? Weird shit... I thought I read it as power.

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Ah, it's classified as both.

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In that case, (at least) one of these people is lying: Random, Sensei, rkvothe or Axle. If 3dice is correct, then it is Random.

So, with 100% certainty (for real this time):

• Random, Sensei, rkvothe or Axle is scum.
  
• Yakko or Aronis is scum.

[AlwaysInnocent]

In that case, (at least) one of these people is lying: Random, Sensei, rkvothe or Axle. If 3dice is correct, then it is Random.

So, with 100% certainty (for real this time):

• Random, Sensei, rkvothe or Axle is scum.
  
• Yakko or Aronis is scum.

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VOTE: 3dice

There is a chance that 3dice tried to convert a player that is now dead, or otherwise failed. So it is best to just lynch his ass right now.

AI is chainsaw defending his buddy, lol.

It is hard to prove that I am the vig, but I am thinking of a way to do this. The fact that I counterclaimed FA (who was the Jester) should say something.

Also, shut up. You aren't even town.

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shouldn't you be saying who you targeted?

Depends. If I somehow figure out they were roleblocked, I will try it again tonight. I will make sure to crumb the target in my posts, though.

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Bullshit on the role block.

How do you know it is bullshit? If it is, then I have found scum.

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If we can resolve this, we will be that much closer to solving the game.

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OK. No roleblock then.

So, how can we rule out that I was redirected?

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Wait, I think I know it. I have found scum.

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Aristophanes is scum people.

I tried to NK him. It failed. Either it was redirected to Errant, or he is the Godfather, or he is the MM.

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It'll be lovely if Aristophanes and Persivul could come here to share their thoughts.

Lol. Didn't you read what I said? Aristophanes is scum. He can change nothing about this fact.

My guess is you three are all scum. Such is the nature of massclaims.

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I think Axle is town.

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You're not confirmed to be town, though. I do believe he's scum, but I feel it'll shed some light if he was here to say at least something.

We will see about that when I shoot you tonight and you flip scum.

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No. I am not sure, but making threats is necessary to check reactions.

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You claim Bus Driver? OK, then you are scum. Or Axle is. I think it's you, rkvothe.

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I think there is one Cultist in this game. Everything seems to point towards 3dice failing in his conversion attempt. With FA (Jester) dead, there are three neutral roles remaining. Since no member of the Mafia has died so far, there are three Mafia left. This means that Town are in the minority.

Overview:

AI:

Vig (Killing)

Axle:

??? (Protective)

Sensei:

??? (Government)

, or

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

Yakko:

Amnesiac

,

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

Ardonis:

Survivor

,

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

rkvothe:

Mafia

or

Mass Murderer

Random:

Mafia

or

Mass Murderer

Persivul:

??? (???)

, or

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

Aristophanes:

Mafia

3dice:

Cultist

[AlwaysInnocent]

If 3dice lies, then this means that Random is a Cultist now. Otherwise he is Mafia or the MM. In either case, Random would be scum, so it would not make much sense to lie about that.

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Wait, I forgot:

AI:

Vig (Killing)

Axle:

??? (Protective)

, or

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

Sensei:

??? (Government)

, or

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

Yakko:

Amnesiac

,

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

Ardonis:

Survivor

,

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

rkvothe:

Mafia

or

Mass Murderer

Random:

Mafia

or

Mass Murderer

Persivul:

??? (???)

, or

Mafia

, or

Mass Murderer

Aristophanes:

Mafia

3dice:

Cultist

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[AlwaysInnocent]

Hah, I like how you don't even think I'm for real.

Let me say that again for you: If 3dice failed to convert randomidget, we got our fake town claim, and we all would fit in a town list IF Persivul isn't town.

I think it is very unlikely that Persivul is Town. Otherwise he would have claimed by now.

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Good point.

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Since we got 3 deaths last night, I'm not feeling very comfortable about our chances.

Me neither. Assuming you are Town for the sake of being able to say "me neither".

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Yes, and one of those deaths was caused by me, by being redirected. Aristophanes is probably the Mafia Coward. Hiding in other people's houses.

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The problem with this setup is that Town can be motivated to act against their initial win condition. I am not saying we should do this, but suppose that we would otherwise lose, we could let 3dice live and have him convert us. Then we might be able to win as Cultists against the Mafia.

This is probably a really, really controversial idea, though. I wouldn't suggest it, but just wanted to share this.

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This is why Cultists are generally considered bastard: they screw around with the win conditions.

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It's fun, but not effective, since we all won't be converted at the end of the day.

So, if you were redirected, we only got the scum kill and the mm/sk kill, so one of the scum is a beguiler. Awful alike to survivor. That'd make Aronis a probable scum, and yakko an actual amnesiac.

Yes. Ardonis is a really bad survivor if he wants to die to prove a point. That makes him 99% scum.

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You're right, though. They are both scum. At least Aristophanes is for sure, and Ardonis extremely likely.

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Yakko, have you switched to the Town side already?

If this is true, then we would have 5 Townies.

But something tells me Yakko isn't loyal to Town (which is to be expected, given that he is strictly scum).

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Aaaand he didn't swtich. Role PM says that if he succeeds on switching, it'd be announced in thread that amnesiac remembered his role.

Damn Yakko. Opportunistic jerk.

But I might have done the same if I were him.

Or... we are wrong about him. If Yakko doesn't remember his role the coming night, then he might not be amnesiac after all. Then he must be scum.

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Some of us did not survive the night.

We found

Frozen Angel

dead in his home last night.

She was ripped apart with several rounds from a high-caliber gun

.
She was a

Jester

.[/b]

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This sounds like a vig shot, so we can almost certainly confirm that Aristophanes is a beguiler.

Are you sure? I don't like to reason about flavor...

[AlwaysInnocent]

Well, Nether said it could have something to do or something like that.

Also, I'd like to analyze the night 1 actions. We had only one death there. I guess you didn't shot? And if we can say that mm killed Ranger, what happened to the scum nightkill? Anyone can shed some light on it?

Vigs cannot shoot on N1. I was notified about this.

FA didn't realize that she couldn't. This made me suspect that she was lying, but then I realized that she could not even have attempted it (if she were truthful), if she was in jail during that night.

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N1: Null.
N2: Shoot Aristophanes.

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Well, isn't it obvious?

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VOTE: Persivul

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Also, Yakko, if you don't remember a role this night, I am going to take that as a scumclaim.

Having re-read Aronis' posts, there seems to be genuine anger in his posts. So you better prove that you were not lying, Yakko.

Remember a role this night. This is your last chance.

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You should have already done so yesterday, remembering a role. The fact that you didn't makes you awfully suspicious.

You can't hide from us. We will know that the role you have chosen.

If you are truthful, then you should know that Aronis is lying. In that case, it is in your best interest to prove that you are who you say you are. If not, then that is an automatic scumclaim.

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Let's make some assumptions.

AI:

Vig (Killing)

Axle:

??? (Protective)

rkvothe:

Bus Driver (Protective/Power)

Sensei:

??? (Government)

Aronis:

Survivor

Aristophanes:

Mafia Beguiler

3dice:

Cultist

Yakko:

Mafia

or

Mass Murderer

Persivul:

Mafia

or

Mass Murderer

Random:

Mafia

or

Mass Murderer

[AlwaysInnocent]

It is up to Yakko to prove that he is not scum. He could have done so already, but didn't.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Therefore Yakko is scum.

[AlwaysInnocent]

But feel free to disprove that you are scum. You probably can't, which is why you didn't.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Ugh, the more I look at that list, the more fucked I feel we are. How we gonna manage to get rid of all those scum, mm AND cult?

If the Mafia has no roleblocker, then I can try to shoot one of them.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Yakko, Aristophanes and Persivul were active in the last hour.

I'm about to cry.

Lol. So obvious.

Scum-Yakko is always a lurker.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Sensei, if you're Marshall, those 3 lynchs may be extremely helpful.

No, they

will

be helpful.

[AlwaysInnocent]

We have basically figured out the game already. I don't expect much to change from this point.

So if we can mass-lynch, then we can win.

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I agree.

Maybe that's why nobody is posting?

Yup. It definitely is.

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Hey!
I haven't forgotten about this game, timing has just been bullocks.

I will read up and respond. May take a few hours though.

Don't bother.

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Axle, you are right. I had not thought about that.

In that case I hit Godfather or MM. No feedback.

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@Randomidget

I haven't seen it that way, but it makes an awful lot of sense. Then, who do you think he targetted?

It's entirely probable that he tried to cult you and failed, though, let's don't discard that.

Gun to my head, someone who claimed invest/prot

Someone who claimed protective or invest. *checks randomidget's claim*

LOL

Hahaha.

Oh yeah. I claimed investigative. Oops.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I should have used quotation marks. I was obviously talking about Random who forgot about his roleclaim.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Yes, I did, and I still do.

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I am confirmed town.

I think we can all agree that there is a vig.

I am the only one that claimed vig.

Nobody bothered to counterclaim. Only a fool would try this now.

[AlwaysInnocent]

That is true, but if I am converted, then I will lose my vig powers.

[AlwaysInnocent]

What was your N2 action again?

[AlwaysInnocent]

You'll lose your vig powers from today and beyond, since the culting happens last at night. You could have shot and then converted.


PEdit:

N2: Redirected everything on Wisdom onto Persivul.

So

only

players that were targeting Wisdom were redirected? Yes?

[AlwaysInnocent]

I guess so. And everyone targetting Persivul was redirected to Wisdom.

You didn't think of that, did you?

[AlwaysInnocent]

I still don't get it. I thought Wisdom would be protected by Errant. Then anyone targeting Wisdom would be killed by Errant (even if they are immune), with Errant dying, but not Wisdom.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Or scum/mm knew I was going to swap Wisdom and took a blind chance targetting Persivul.

No. That is highly improbable. Occam's Razor rules that out.

[AlwaysInnocent]

What is your role?

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You are not seriously claiming MM?

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Oh no I'm survivor lol

No, Aronis is survivor. You said so yourself.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Oh, wait. A joke.

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AI, you were neutral killing all along?

Nope.

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I'm sorry about my ragequit earlier. While I'm not the most protown role, I can win with town and would be happy to help you in anyway I can.

OK. With you, we are with 5 then. It is in your best interest to act as if you were town.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I'm confused as fuck right now.

Yakko is the

Mass Murderer

.
Aronis is the

Survivor

.

[AlwaysInnocent]

He thinks the town has already lost and thinks he can use us to further his win condition.

[AlwaysInnocent]

So he temporarily aligns himself with the town. He has probably calculated that if we lynch him, that the town will lose to the Mafia.

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But if Sensei is a marshall, we can lynch 3dice, yakko and someone else?

Yeah, he probably didn't think it through, or thought that he probability of that was low enough to be worth the risk.

[AlwaysInnocent]

No, I never said that Aronis was town.

[AlwaysInnocent]

He claimed Survivor.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Before you...

You admit that you lied about your role, so why should we believe you and not him? Honestly, I want to know, because if you really are the Survivor, I want to be sure about it.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I know what he claimed I also know how he claimed. Do you?

Yes, he rage-quit and self-voted. I thought it was strange, but since it didn't make sense that you were the Amnesiac, I concluded that he must have been for real.

You're acting like I am dumb, but you are the one who was sowing confusion.

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Because I'm being honest with what I did. I want to win. If town aligning is th way I'll vote with you guys. My play suggests survivor. I'm out for myself. Aronis play suggests evil lurkimg mad scum.

So what do you think he really is?

[AlwaysInnocent]

I don't think he is town either, but he can be neutral benign.

[AlwaysInnocent]

The problem is, Yakko, that he claimed Survivor, and you never counter-claimed him until now, when we were becoming certain that you must be scum.

[AlwaysInnocent]

That is wishful thinking. Nothing about his play suggests benign.

Lying to town does not suggest benign either. If you truly sided with town, then you would have been more open about this. Now it seems like you are merely trying to save your own skin. It makes sense to counterclaim Survivor now, when there are no other options. But I do not find it very convincing.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Also, why would Yakko say that town has lost and then side with the town? Would it not make more sense to side with the Mafia if that were the case?

[AlwaysInnocent]

It suggests IMm out for myself. I've said as much. If you want to stick with aronis and bet on him by all means.

I want to believe you, but it doesn't make much sense.

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Why do you think that there are 2 Cultists?