Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

Titus · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:22 pm

VOTE: SS

To say hi, I am not you're IC anymore.

Titus · Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:59 am

Ty. Ether made it for me.

NotanAlt, Strategy is wholly dependant on the board at the time. It's the abnormal strategies that catch scum. So, with all due respect, stop theory speccing. It's a waste of space in the thread and vote.

Titus · Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:10 am

In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

Titus · Post Post #29 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:27 am

In post 20, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're wrong. Discuss.

Seriously I'm still in D1 shenanigans mode why are you looking into this?

Cuz it's my job as town. If you got a town PM, why be bothered by spitballing?

In post 21, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're scum with Rhazh and you're distancing.

If I caught two scum in RVS, I am going to be thrilled.

Titus · Post Post #46 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:37 am

In post 44, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 25, Something_Smart wrote:Lol you guys realize 21 was a joke right.
Emphasizing that you were joking in RVS is usually a scumtell. I will vote you on D2. I have to lynch your lurker scum buddy first. Don't worry. Your turn will come.

Then why aren't you voting SS?

Titus · Post Post #47 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:38 am

SS has a wagon, you think he's scum, why vote elsewhere?

Titus · Post Post #52 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:23 am

In post 21, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're scum with Rhazh and you're distancing.

Then why do you not have a vote on either of us?

Titus · Post Post #56 (isolation #7) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:51 am

In post 52, Titus wrote:
In post 21, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're scum with Rhazh and you're distancing.

Then why do you not have a vote on either of us?

This needs to be answered. If you're out of RVS, why are you not voting me or Rhazh? I don't want theory but facts.

Titus · Post Post #58 (isolation #8) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:02 am

Lynch SS.

If he flips scum, lynch Rz.

If we cooperate, we may win by post 200.

Titus · Post Post #65 (isolation #9) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:27 am

In post 64, Learned Hand wrote:
In post 63, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 62, TheCow wrote:AI must be a godplayer, three scumgets in three pages
I'm the bestest scumhunter in the world.

AI isn't voting scum. I caught two since post 18.

Whatever SS is at, he needs to die like now.

Was me.

I told myself I wouldn't hydra slip with this account. Lmfao.

Titus · Post Post #73 (isolation #10) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:46 am

Cerb, SS and Rhaz did the same "joking" tell BM did in Sudoken.

Join me.

Titus · Post Post #80 (isolation #11) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:53 am

Bm attacked me in RVs by lynch Titus b4 she goes into VCA.
When pressured he claimed joke.

ThT is Sudoken

Titus · Post Post #119 (isolation #12) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:30 am

In post 80, Titus wrote:Bm attacked me in RVs by lynch Titus b4 she goes into VCA.
When pressured he claimed joke.

ThT is Sudoken

Sorry phone post fucked up because driving.

Blackest Magic attacked me in RVS (random vote stage) by saying let's lynch Titus before VCA.

When he was pressured for it, he claimed joke. He was scum.

That was Sudoken mafia. Scum "joking" like that hasn't let me wrong.

Titus · Post Post #129 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:23 pm

Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Titus · Post Post #131 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:50 pm

1. So what? Facts are facts and it isn't the newbie queue. AI I have played with before.
2. Yup.
3. Yes.

Obvious town.

Titus · Post Post #139 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:30 pm

In post 133, Something_Smart wrote:1. Maybe you tend to read newbies more harshly (except for Dewy ).
2. You must think we're stupid, too.
3. Not to mention your case is really weak.

Give me some specific examples of SirCakez being obvious town.

1. Nope. Welcome to life outside the newbie queue. You do things that scum do, you get scumread. I am not the sole voter.
2. Absolutely not. I am reading you as desperate scum, not stupid. Why did you feel insulted? Do you feel your scumgame has been bad?
3. Why would you have 5 votes if my case was weak? It isn't. You'd be at L minus 1 but Cerb never votes so we have to wait on subs.

Town know Sir is town.

Titus · Post Post #159 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:48 am

In post 19, Yonom wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're trying too hard to jump into conclusions.

This is not a "joke" at all.

Second, the Always Innocent is a joke based on the name. It's a standard RVS joke. Your "joke" was about content and behavior and thus not a joke at all. You're only calling it a joke because you got caught reaching.

Titus · Post Post #161 (isolation #17) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:02 am

Oh that one is clear it's a joke because of the emoticon.

Titus · Post Post #172 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:20 pm

I am going to wait until y'all see this yourselves or I can prove said tell is a tell.

Peace out, love you. I would rather not pull out the sledgehammer.

Titus · Post Post #179 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:25 pm

*points to spot on SS wagon with

Pistach0n

written on it*

*gestures profusely*

Titus · Post Post #181 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:26 pm

I will. There's a couple games that I want to end first so I am certain I am on this side of legal.

Titus · Post Post #243 (isolation #21) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:58 pm

Nice wall.

This tell has been accurate in Sudoken mafia and in Inorganic Chemistry. Still waiting for more.

I am ok where I am at until someone else makes a better case. I doubt it will happen.

Titus · Post Post #247 (isolation #22) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:18 pm

Then we lynch the one we agree on and fight tomorrow.

Titus · Post Post #259 (isolation #23) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:16 pm

More than that. I would rather not discuss it until either a) I have a large sample size (which needs time) or such an exercise is a gamble in futility and I have to go with the three.

(I forgot metal gear solid).

Titus · Post Post #265 (isolation #24) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:45 pm

It's "joking" in a manner that makes a player less credible or attacks their reads. For Sudoken, it's a mini theme hosted by Varsoon. Blackest Magic voted there so I wouldn't go VCA.

Scum throw a discredit and claim joke frequently.

Titus · Post Post #268 (isolation #25) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:34 pm

I had a nagging suspicion in 18 based on Rh not voting the SS wagon and trying to create a counter and theory crafting.

Titus · Post Post #270 (isolation #26) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:27 pm

In post 262, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 259, Titus wrote:More than that. I would rather not discuss it until either a) I have a large sample size (which needs time) or such an exercise is a gamble in futility and I have to go with the three.

(I forgot metal gear solid).

Could you rephrase this for me? The grammar just took my head and twisted it into a two-half hitches.

I was not planning to go into detail on my theory until EITHER

A) I get more than 3 games OR

B) Gamestate makes me use the facts I have.

Titus · Post Post #314 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:20 am

@Cerb, That post was not a joke. You'll find I don't joke much. I was detecting a sudden desire by Rh to talk theory, drag the game down and not focusing on SS. I was pressuring there. I am rather surprised you find me using the word "Discuss" as a joke. You know I am super serious compared to most.

@all, Can anyone give me a reason on Cakez beyond he's obvtown and pushing scum...like really

Titus · Post Post #337 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:21 pm

In post 336, Something_Smart wrote:Yonom you summed up my thought process pretty well.
Basically, my feeling is that I have one vote and more than one scumread. Since my reads are constantly changing and shifting, my top scumread changes frequently, although any given read never changes that fast.
For instance, I find it likely that I will vote SirCakez soon. This is not because AI has gotten any less scummy, it's just I'm starting to see SirCakez as scum who screwed up how confident he was supposed to be in his reads.
Yonom's analysis is very good but could have come from town or scum. It seems genuine, but it also seems easy enough to fake (I recall faking a similar case in my first game).
That last sentence is horrible, however.

Words words words

Telegraphing vote

Needs to die.

Titus · Post Post #338 (isolation #29) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:26 pm

In post 332, Yonom wrote:
In post 320, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 314, Titus wrote:@Cerb, That post was not a joke. You'll find I don't joke much. I was detecting a sudden desire by Rh to talk theory, drag the game down and not focusing on SS. I was pressuring there. I am rather surprised you find me using the word "Discuss" as a joke. You know I am super serious compared to most.

@all, Can anyone give me a reason on Cakez beyond he's obvtown and pushing scum...like really
Titus is scum.

Discuss.

Please, this is the second time you say "Discuss." like this. Don't you have any opinion on the matter yourself?

Is this even a joke or serious? If it's a joke, I don't see why you felt like making this joke at all.

Titus is one of the players here that I'm starting to respect. She has been making good points and is very good at expressing her opinion. Which means that it will be very hard to read her alignment this early. I'm keeping my neutral position on her until we have more data to analyse her behavior, I don't think we can read too much out her words. She has been behaving very townish but I trust her to be just as good misleading town if she were mafia.

Flattered. You should put anyone you feel townie as town but for players you fear such as myself look for reasons to be wrong.

I don't really like the fear of Titus on one hand. So good so maybe mafia. It gives you far too much flexibility on reads. You're new and many players have experience. You could never settle on a read with anyone.

This post makes me

but I don't know if it's newb or scum talking, or newb scum.

Titus · Post Post #340 (isolation #30) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:38 am

In post 339, Yonom wrote:@Titus: I'd put you or anyone else as town as soon as I'd feel confident about it. I haven't been feeling this way about you yet for the reason i already explained and I hope you can understand that. I don't fear you, you could very likely be town and I'd be glad if this was the case, but I'll make up my mind on you later when i have more confidence. I haven't heared anyone analyse your posts too much yet, so maybe the more experienced players could help me out here.

@SS: thanks for the reply. Ill post my thoughts on what you said in ca. 2 hrs because my classes start now.

Sent from my phone.

This is a particularly townie way to look at things. This tells me it is remote you're looking for hedges on all seasoned players and corrected misinterpretations I had regarding your posts. The reach out to others is genuine, but requests to the group are going to largely be ignored. You should flag down whoever you think us seasoned and have them give thoughts on me. It will serve as a compliment to them and give you insight into their play.

@All, I like to mother hen newbies. You see me doing that, smack me upside the head. K? Doubly so if it fucks with reads.

Titus · Post Post #348 (isolation #31) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:03 pm

@SS, I wan one from you.

Titus · Post Post #359 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:36 pm

In post 351, droog wrote:i suspect scum in one of yonm/ss

i am starting to understand the ss scum perspective
could be a case of scum feeling upset about
being caught for the wrong reasons

otoh im not that concerned about it
c666 is dumb but not scummy
i retract my earlier doubts

ss and cake arent together though
and cake has doen a good enough job responding that for now
VOTE: unvote

im going to start hunting for a new target

This just pinged. Cerb dumb? Really? Why?

Lots of SS is scum, doesn't vote but looks for a new target.

Titus · Post Post #475 (isolation #33) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:18 pm

In post 473, Something_Smart wrote:uh yeah, I know what correct logic is
the post quoted is scumlogic
I used it because I was scum. My point is that the logic of several players reminds me of it.
However, I do understand if you don't know the correct usage of "paranoid". But that is what it means.
And droog why are you saying my reads haven't moved? I have twelve players to read, the fact that one read has not changed is hardly proof.
And as proof of the opposite, watch this: my townread on EE is gone. It is likely soon to be replaced with a scumread.

More telegraphing. Also more likely than not EE is town independent of you being scum.

Titus · Post Post #525 (isolation #34) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:44 pm

@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

Titus · Post Post #536 (isolation #35) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:44 am

Yeah SirCakes is town.

Hey, at least a lot of scum had to jump on SirCakes to save SS.

Titus · Post Post #537 (isolation #36) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:45 am

In post 526, Firebringer wrote:
In post 525, Titus wrote:@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

I lead this town Titus!
And I have to figure out if you are scum, you are at null right now.

Hug me. You have no teeth to bite me with.

Titus · Post Post #551 (isolation #37) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:36 am

In post 541, Cerberus v666 wrote:Titus, how have your reads changed since like page 2 when you thought you had 2 scum caught? Then later, you listed 3 as scum. Do you feel the same about those slots (please remind me which ones they were, I can't check your iso right now).

Yup.

SS rhazah ai

Reads haven't changes. Probably should have just sat and lurk derped instead.

Cakes wagon was shit and I see that the same people are trying to come after me.

*shrug* I am through trying to fix dumb. Either you go questions or you don't.

Titus · Post Post #552 (isolation #38) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:37 am

In post 547, Viva La Gloria wrote:I also _REALLY_ hate Titus's interactions with Yonom.

She randomly scumreads her then townreads her again and says that she's doing some sort of mother hen thing because she's a newbie.

Really doesn't make much sense at all.

That's because you're struggling with comprehension of my posts. Yonom did something kinda anti-town. Scumhunted it. I concluded I was right.

Titus · Post Post #553 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:38 am

Right in Yonom being town.

Lynch SS and Rh and the game is over.

Titus · Post Post #567 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:17 am

I never scumread Yonom. I was suspicious of the slot and sorted it.

Scum caught in RVS don't become town because it would appease people.

I have hunted. I have two scum. White flag needs two scum lynched. The counter on obvtown cakes was just icing.

You can stall victory or get on board.

Titus · Post Post #568 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:18 am

In post 559, SirCakez wrote:Titus has Fire not changed your read on the slot at all?
I don't want to wagon Titus or EE today.

No.
I agree.

Titus · Post Post #569 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:20 am

In post 555, Something_Smart wrote:What would everyone's opinions be of an EE wagon? I'd prefer that to SirCakez, because I have given my reasons for voting SirCakez but this is starting to feel more and more like a mislynch. I'm trying not to tunnel too badly here.

Distancing from reads.

Titus · Post Post #574 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:56 am

We are flipping SS because he's scum. The reasons are in my small ISO. Rvs shiftiness, vote telegraphing, and weaseling from his reads.
Rh has shitty rvs tell and the slot has done fuck all to change my mind.
Asking me the same question does not generate a new response. He was suspicious. I sorted him and determined he was town.
SS is flipping scum.

If a counterwagon will have no takers, SS must try to start a new one. Distancing from reads is more of "I don't think this guy is scum but...Le vote." SS is saying Cakes has scummy things, but he's town yet he DOESN'T want to move his vote. SS is begging for a more viable counter.

Titus · Post Post #575 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:57 am

* he in the third paragraph is Yonom.

Titus · Post Post #577 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:06 am

In post 576, Something_Smart wrote:What is vote telegraphing?

I am going to vote this guy tomorrow, once there's a wagon, etc.

The townie method is saying X is obvscum but I can't get the votes right now. Will join later.

Titus · Post Post #580 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:13 am

It's a scum indicator, not a tell.

Second, townies do it in the manner I described. You did it like scum do. Waiting for acceptance on a weaker read.

Titus · Post Post #581 (isolation #47) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:13 am

In post 579, Viva La Gloria wrote:Oh, The Cow is in this game.

I wouldn't mind policy lynching him as well.

Only two lynches I'll consider today; I still don't think Cakez is scum.

Hmmph.

You object to me only wanting two lynches.

You want only two lynches yourself.

Titus · Post Post #583 (isolation #48) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:22 am

Nope. Town can be wrong. You're acting out of fear regarding someone you're simultaneously doubtcasting. Booooo.

Titus · Post Post #591 (isolation #49) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:57 am

In post 589, Viva La Gloria wrote:
In post 588, TheCow wrote:I'm liking neither Viva nor titus right now. They're both maneuvering into weird positions that make me uncomfortable.

Awesome.

Vote her with me then.

You can worry about a bus later!

This is the towniest thing you've said, and it's still dumb.

Titus · Post Post #592 (isolation #50) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:58 am

In post 588, TheCow wrote:I'm liking neither Viva nor titus right now. They're both maneuvering into weird positions that make me uncomfortable.

I haven't manuevered at all.

My reads are pretty static.

Lynch SS.

Titus · Post Post #630 (isolation #51) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:19 pm

But I'm your town godmother! I always come back town to cops. Sweetie.

Titus · Post Post #647 (isolation #52) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:22 pm

In post 646, Viva La Gloria wrote:Titus, see all the people declaring SS some variation of confirmed scum and then lining up mislynches to follow him?
See all the people soft defending you and preventing me from pushing on you while leaving you open as a later lynch?

Are you seriously saying that's not bothering you and making you reconsider at all?

SS is confirmed scum, so it doesn't bother me. The defense isn't soft and I'm town.

If people think they can mislynch me while claiming the wagon is right, they got another thing coming.

Titus · Post Post #648 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 638, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@viva I don't think my logic is off. Perhaps some of my reads but for now I'm certain SS is scum. My Titus town read revolves around the fact that SS is scum and since I am certain beyond reasonable doubt that SS is scum, I must also quell all doubts that Titus is scum with him.

In addition you can add to this that Titus is confbiasing hard on fb and still thinks hes scum simply because there is a relationship between him and ss even though they are pretty obviously not scum together, IMO.

She has no need to really scum hunt, either. In fact, I would argue that since we caught scum already further hunting is likely to result in distraction and pushing elsewhere and even a town lynch day 1 and confusion on day 2.

I'm not confbiasing on FB scum. He's probably town.

Titus · Post Post #667 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:34 pm

In post 666, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 636, Viva La Gloria wrote:
In post 635, Cerberus v666 wrote:Viva: because I know for a fact she's both lynch bait at times AND very strong late game. Oh and I'm confident she'll be able to be read with more certainty later in the game. You're right that if she's scum we should lynch her, but I don't see anything particularly scummy in her play. The Yonom thing is rhe closest to being scummy, amd Yonom said stuff in the middle which could have very easily changed her mind on them.

Also, you're misunderstanding whoever it was you quoted in that shitty context removed quote. He said YOUR reads are off, and so are Titus', but maybe his are too.

To be perfectly clear here: I lynch people because they're being scummy, and their actions have scum motivations, NOT because they're not being "town" enough for me. Not obvtown!=scum. Especially on D1. Later on we can PoE things and use some logic, but right now? Nope. Not good enough.

Then why the hell is she refusing to explain her reads.
I voted her to get her to explain her shit. She did not explain her shit besides saying 'oh check my ISO' where I still find her shit utterly unexplained.
She does not get to play the "OH IM LYNCHBAIT" card and you shouldn't be playing it for her when
she's utterly unable to substantiate her positions.

Why are you making excuses for her? Why is everyone making excuses for her?
Why isn't she asking questions about people making excuses for her.
She is clearly not making effort to scumhunt, her positions are clearly inauthentic. You were FoSing her and picking at her reads and all of a sudden you're townreading her?
Why?

The bolded is valid. She really should have more to say. I really think she's basing it entirely on a tell which has worked twice for her in the past, and which she thinks always holds true. If she's basing her tunnel off just that, I don't think there's really any argument we can make or any more reason she'd have to give us. Which is shitty. But it's not any shittier than saying "gut" when someone asks you why you read something, and that's somehow acceptable.

Also, when the hell did I FoS her?

A tell is a tell is a tell.
I believe the tell is accurate.
Thus my read is substantiated. I highlighted independent behavioral reasons as well.

I should have more to say. Why bother? That's just throwing mist when I feel the game is solved.

Titus · Post Post #698 (isolation #55) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:42 am

Hi. Reads are still the same. Bye.

Titus · Post Post #707 (isolation #56) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:09 pm

In post 706, pistachi0n wrote:VOTE: SomethingSmart

I think we'll get information from this lynch. If SS flips town, I'm going to be looking at Titus for scum tomorrow. If SS flips scum, I'm going to pursue AI.

Regardless of the flip, you need to be looked at. This post screams "I am just going to push whoever was wrong."

Pretty sure I am right but this post is icky.

Titus · Post Post #709 (isolation #57) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:27 pm

Not uncertain, but merely capable of realizing alternative scenarios based on garbage facts.

I have to. Cops do that all the time.

Titus · Post Post #712 (isolation #58) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:37 pm

In post 711, Viva La Gloria wrote:
In post 698, Titus wrote:Hi. Reads are still the same. Bye.

Bad Titus.

Oh I am fine. You want me to scumread someone else, make a case.

Titus · Post Post #714 (isolation #59) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:03 pm

In post 713, Viva La Gloria wrote:Pistachi0n, why the hell are you jumping on the biggest wagon instead of voting something that could flip scum, aka Titus?

You're agreeing that she's probably scum and voting her wagon? The hell?

Where do you get pistachion thinks I am scum?

Titus · Post Post #780 (isolation #60) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:09 am

In post 761, TheCow wrote:Fight me. It's like kicking a puppy.

I will totally kick puppies to lynch scum, as long as I don't attack their character or call them shit human beings.

Titus · Post Post #782 (isolation #61) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:12 am

In post 749, SirCakez wrote:
In post 747, Something_Smart wrote:You think voting her will make her engage? She'll just keep repeating what she's said and calling her wagon scum-led. Besides, if you notice, she does have an understandable (understandably wrong, but still) reason to vote me. EE on the other hand has a bunch of lies and misrepresentations.
Vote EE with me and make HIM engage.

This is so bad. So you're saying voting Titus is pointless because she won't explain anything, so we should vote Eagle, who actually explained his reads and case, instead?

Have a hug. You are town.

To explain, a hug is a sign of non romantic affection between two players that like each other. Similarly, hug it out by Nacho is a wildly effective scumhunting tool.

Titus · Post Post #783 (isolation #62) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:13 am

In post 781, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 779, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 775, SirCakez wrote:I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

Alright, answer it now as you understand it, please.

In post 780, Titus wrote:
In post 761, TheCow wrote:Fight me. It's like kicking a puppy.

I will totally kick puppies to lynch scum, as long as I don't attack their character or call them shit human beings.

Who, the puppies or the scum?

Scummy puppies. I was engaging in self-satire.

My point is, I lynch scum not caring about appearances.

Titus · Post Post #785 (isolation #63) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:15 am

That I have never really understood. You must live it.

it's a very peaceful method of persuasion without facts it seems.

Titus · Post Post #829 (isolation #64) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:17 pm

VOTE: TheCow

If you thought I was wrong, why hammer?

Titus · Post Post #832 (isolation #65) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:24 pm

In post 831, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 829, Titus wrote:If you thought I was wrong, why hammer?
Hey, Titus. You said Something_Smart would flip scum. How about reflecting on that for us? I find it really hard to believe that you are town. You're just completely ignoring it like nothing happened, even though people are addressing you.

Saying I am scum because I was wrong is not addressing me.

I reflected. Cow and Pisskop are both shitty in that instance.

Cow for his hammer and Pisskop for his I'm going to get you and then not voting me.

Titus · Post Post #836 (isolation #66) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:29 pm

In post 833, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Pisskop?

Pistachion. My bad.

If you wanted to show he was town, you could have tried to engage me about my other reads. Just saying I am wrong is a vacuum of disagreement.

Titus · Post Post #841 (isolation #67) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:32 pm

In post 838, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 836, Titus wrote:
In post 833, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Pisskop?

Pistachion. My bad.

If you wanted to show he was town, you could have tried to engage me about my other reads. Just saying I am wrong is a vacuum of disagreement.
Why should I engage your other reads when I was trying to change your mind about Something_Smart, the one you were voting for?

I vote for whoever is scummiest. I thought I had a tell and was outlining his scummy behavior. If you think I am wrong, make a case someone else is scum. The only other option ever presented was obvtown SirCakez.

Titus · Post Post #842 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:33 pm

In post 840, AlwaysInnocent wrote:"Information" lynches: the perfect excuse to vote for anyone.

This I agree with.

Pisskop's already distancing from swinging at me.

Titus · Post Post #844 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:37 pm

Well, it's been a long day.

Titus · Post Post #891 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 869, SirCakez wrote:Viva's reads are hilariously wrong.

I think I have officially run into myself. I am just going to laugh.

Titus · Post Post #913 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:25 pm

In post 897, TheCow wrote:is scum!pistachio real life or do i need to do work on this

On a scale of one to ten, how confident are you in scum pistachion?

Titus · Post Post #935 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:44 pm

In post 932, Firebringer wrote:
In post 931, SirCakez wrote:No bad dragon that's a bad wagon.

I am a good dragon, toothless is good.

Toothless blind.

Titus · Post Post #955 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:13 pm

In post 953, Firebringer wrote:
In post 935, Titus wrote:Toothless blind.

You consider those pushing you town Titus?

I'm pretty sure Cow and pistachion are scum, which leaves at most 1 scum pushing me barring wacky setup or a wrong read on cow.

Titus · Post Post #979 (isolation #74) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:09 pm

In post 962, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Titus, why did you ignore all the towntells on Something_Smart when he was being lynched? You still have not answered this very important question.

I didn't see anything remotely town.

That's like asking a colorblind man why he ate the green one and not the red one.

Titus · Post Post #980 (isolation #75) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:09 pm

Green apple...

Titus · Post Post #988 (isolation #76) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:13 am

@Cerb, The last person who lol hammered town like that was scum. Second, his lol hammer after avoiding the wagon just is terrible. I am at meta farts with the cow (still don't know what meta there) but oh well.

Still perfectly fine with a Pistachion wagon as well. His statement that he'd want me looked into yesterday combined with his reluctance to vote me when the eventuality came to pass isn't townie either.

Now, you cannot just shit all over the existing scumhunting while providing none of your own.

Titus · Post Post #991 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:57 am

I didn't say TheCow was confirmed scum to me. He's just the most scummy to me atm. Totally not opposed to a pistachion wagon either. If my argument against cow was perfect to me, I would say that.

Titus · Post Post #994 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:15 am

When the day started.

Titus · Post Post #1007 (isolation #79) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:57 pm

VOTE: Viva

Don't care. Can't hunt with the noise. Kill it or me. Ty.

Titus · Post Post #1015 (isolation #80) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:30 pm

In post 1008, Viva La Gloria wrote:Oh, and I found your hydra game.
EVERYONE was calling Titus scum because of her lame play, even before she scumslipped, except for a few idiots.
Her own scum partner realized that she needed to be bussed there.
You need to stop.

EE was the one that slipped.

Also, the bus was orchestrated because lol Titus teams never bus.

Titus · Post Post #1022 (isolation #81) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:06 am

I am L minus 1.

This is the part where someone dumb asks me for my claim.

Titus · Post Post #1027 (isolation #82) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:26 am

In post 1025, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Yes. Titus. Please claim your role.

You can be filed as Derp town.

I claim Cassandra. :-p (joke)

Titus · Post Post #1031 (isolation #83) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:39 am

In post 1028, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1027, Titus wrote:
In post 1025, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Yes. Titus. Please claim your role.

You can be filed as Derp town.

I claim Cassandra. :-p (joke)
I claim bulletproof cop.

You should totally realize you misread your results and you have an innocent on me.

Lynch Viva, a Cow, pistachion.

Don't lynch EE or AI or Yonom or Sircakez.

Titus · Post Post #1034 (isolation #84) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:26 am

In post 663, pistachi0n wrote:The SS wagon is terrible.

Vote 1: SirCakez, who's been scumreading SS since the joke post 21. Also, I'm still scumreading Cakez, so I'm biased because of that.

Vote 2: Titus, also scumreading SS since the beginning, claiming he was caught scum early on. Same thing with the 21. I don't agree with her reasoning for why SS was scum--it was the infamous post 21, and "telegraphing," but didn't give thorough reasons besides those weak ones.

Vote 3: PhantomCobalt, because of "useless theory fluff." Didn't give an example of what the useless theory fluff was, didn't push beyond that.

Vote 4: Yonom, because SS was jumping to conclusions too fast and too randomly. I don't think this was as bad as the other votes, but I disagree with it. I think it's an issue of playstyle--we have people like Cerb who are stingy with their votes and don't use unless almost certain, and we have players like SS who move the vote around to indicate who their current top scumread is.

Vote 5: Extrapolated Eagle, who voted SS after he stopped scumreading Cakez. The vote seems largely arbitrary, EE is scumreading SS for a lot of the same reasons he's townreading AI. SS doesn't seem like someone trying to blend in.

Top scum-reads are Cakez, AI, and Titus.

In post 686, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 664, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@pistachio

No. I've already said I'm scumreading ss for two reasons: 1. His vote at the beginning of the game, 2. His intentionally poor logic recently. Like I have said a million times now, outside of these two mistakes, ss would be a town read because of similar reasons to why ai is a town read.

In post 665, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:So, no. Not arbitrary at all. Don't misrepresent me.

Okay, it's not arbitrary. I still disagree with you. SS has used bad logic, I don't think it was intentional.

In post 696, pistachi0n wrote:I am noting how you stopped changing your vote when people gave you heat for it; I'm also noting how you were quick to vote EE when I pointed out it was odd that you weren't.

In post 703, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 702, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, there's two ways to place your vote. You can vote your top scumread, or you can vote the one out of your scumreads who you think is most likely to be lynched. I'm still figuring out when is the appropriate time for each, and the only way I can gauge that is by others' reactions.
Out of curiosity, which do you think is stronger?

Which one? Scumread?

I'm going to vote you if you aren't at L-1. If you are, I don't want to hammer yet. That's why I'm waiting for the vote count to be posted.

In post 706, pistachi0n wrote:VOTE: SomethingSmart

I think we'll get information from this lynch. If SS flips town, I'm going to be looking at Titus for scum tomorrow. If SS flips scum, I'm going to pursue AI.

In post 818, pistachi0n wrote:I'm also suspicious of Titus.

Pedit: yep

In post 861, pistachi0n wrote:
↑ Titus wrote:
In post 840, AlwaysInnocent wrote:"Information" lynches: the perfect excuse to vote for anyone.

This I agree with.

Pisskop's already distancing from swinging at me.

My name isn't Pisskop, also, I'm not distancing. My first post today, I said you were scummy. However, I didn't vote because at that point, nobody was expressing interest in voting anybody else, and I didn't want to contribute to a quicklynch. But now that other people have spoken up:

VOTE: Titus

Pistachion seems more concerned with appearances than actually pushing his reads to me. Look at this progression.

He jumps from SS town as the wagon builds. When hammer comes, his read flips to scum.

He threatens to come after me if I was wrong, which was scummy. Then, he doesn't follow through out of fear of making a quicklynch.

His actions sure did look like someone who wants a fast lynch but to blame others.

If Viva's town, dollars to donuts pistachion is scum.

Titus · Post Post #1058 (isolation #85) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:41 am

I am going to be out for the day.

Titus · Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:27 pm

In post 1084, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I don't like Eagle.
I don't like SirCakez.
I don't like TheCow.
I don't like Titus.

But at least one of them has to be town.

If I have too many scumreads, I try to induce things assuming my reads are right and wrong.

If X is scum, what should happen? If they are town?

Try it.

Titus · Post Post #1112 (isolation #87) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:14 pm

In post 1111, TheCow wrote:VOTE: ee

safer

Votes like this are why I want to lynch you.

Why is EE safer?
Safer than who?
Why vote on safe and not scummy?

Titus · Post Post #1115 (isolation #88) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:05 pm

VOTE: TheCow

That's not an answer to the question.

Titus · Post Post #1117 (isolation #89) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:35 pm

In post 1112, Titus wrote:
In post 1111, TheCow wrote:VOTE: ee

safer

Votes like this are why I want to lynch you.

Why is EE safer?
Safer than who?
Why vote on safe and not scummy?

In post 1113, Viva La Gloria wrote:
In post 1111, TheCow wrote:VOTE: ee

safer

what the hell is this?
vote Titus with me, jesus.

These.

Saying you will hammer me does not answer them.

Titus · Post Post #1150 (isolation #90) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:07 am

In post 1147, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1146, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:What's moonlogic? O_o

Titus is expert she could explain.
Its essentially logic that doesn't make sense to anyone but yourself.

It's a valid argument no one understands at first glance but it's accurate. It seems to come out of left field.

It's because I look at move/countermove. One side does X and the other should do Y.

Everyone brings a unique perspective. I can be hard to understand at points. I am hydrating with clearer people to learn why.

Titus · Post Post #1152 (isolation #91) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:11 am

In post 1149, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1142, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1125, SirCakez wrote:Pretty sure she explained her tell although it obviously didn't work out
Why not lynch Fire?

Why not lynch you?
Your definitely in my top 3 scum reads

Not even aimed at you.

Fire, why is my gut getting indigestion here?

Titus · Post Post #1153 (isolation #92) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:13 am

In post 1151, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1150, Titus wrote:
In post 1147, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1146, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:What's moonlogic? O_o

Titus is expert she could explain.
Its essentially logic that doesn't make sense to anyone but yourself.

It's a valid argument no one understands at first glance but it's accurate. It seems to come out of left field.

It's because I look at move/countermove. One side does X and the other should do Y.

Everyone brings a unique perspective. I can be hard to understand at points. I am hydrating with clearer people to learn why.

This seems to make more sense. FB didn't really seem to use "moonlogic" then, since he seemed to say "I am on board with the "fire needs a lynch wagon"" and then say "I am not on board with it because I am thinking the people on that wagon are scummy"

Where did the term "Moon" start applying to the logic?

It's ahem one of those really old things no one gets. It just stuck.

Titus · Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:20 am

Yup.

I can ask you if you wanna lynch the cow but that is not directed at him.

Titus · Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:21 am

I wanna eat scumbrains. Can you help me?

Titus · Post Post #1198 (isolation #95) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:56 pm

In post 1189, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1188, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1184, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Eagle, you seem to have an answer for everybody's play. It seems that you know what is going on a little too well.

This is pretty bad. Just because he's making analyses he "knows what's going on too well"?
Nice strawman, but the way he defends people seems to betray a certain insight into the role distribution (i.e., scum).

Similar to you defending random people for crappy reasons.

This is an open setup.

everyone should know the role distribution. This is white flag. Game started with 3 goons and 10 vts.

Titus · Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:18 am

@EE how do you have Cow as town?

@Viva, Suppose I am town, what are your reads? From my spot, it feels like you're just repeating Titus is scum over and over.

@EE, I am bullish on FB. I want to see what he does.

Titus · Post Post #1210 (isolation #97) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:35 pm

@EE, Just because someone asks a question doesn't mean they are scumhunting or sorting.

For town, you might want to see some sort of followup to the questions. Cow is jumping like a basketball. So what he asks questions. What does he do with it? That's what I'm not seeing. He just seems to jump to whatever's being talked about. *shrug*

Titus · Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:37 pm

In post 1212, Viva La Gloria wrote:If Titus was town, why is there so much resistance to her lynch?
Riddle me this batman.

Because I am obviously town.

Now,can you answer my question.

Titus · Post Post #1216 (isolation #99) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:28 am

The irony of you tunneling town after whining about me tunnelling is not lost.

The correct response to what you perceive to be bad play is not to repeat it if town.

So, what are your reads if you assume I am town?

@EE, I disagree. Do you think we can agree on pistachion, viva or Fire?

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:38 am

Both. I think Cow is scum, but EE doesn't.

I am not voting you SirCakez or EE today.

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:35 am

@Cerb, The information vote + the lack of follow through does it for me. He's all, Titus looks scummy if SS flips town. Yet, Pistachion doesn't vote for me immediately. He cites "speed wagon" concerns. OK, so where is he now? What is his follow up?

Is he scum looking to ride whoever pushes me? Scum defending his buddies? If Pistachion is town, where is he?

@Viva, Talk about how they might be wking me. I don't see that at all, but it is good to get a dialogue going.

Why is Firebringer "not a priority lynch" if we both agree he could be scum?

What are your thoughts on AI?

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:03 am

VOTE: FB

Let's move SirCakes.

@Cerb, he is. But he's not pursuing his speed wagon theory. What how would my flip impact his reads? Did he think the speed was indicative of a town push or a scum push? I followed up with him to get that out of him and he basically was just defensive. The way the conversation read to me was Pisskop saying "If you're going to suspect me for not voting you, we can fix that" rather than the tone of "hey I am trying to scumhunt here, get out of my way". His non prescence doesn't help matters.

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:05 am

In post 1228, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: Firebringer
Cow still needs rope but this slot is going unpressured and needs some badly.

Agreed on both fronts.

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:43 am

So KAAG is an alt then? You've played together AI?

P.S. your post is pretty high on the buddying...

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:55 am

Who said buddying had to be fake...anyway, I think I am getting distracted by shiny things.

Thoughts on FB?

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:10 pm

Where else have you played? Playing elsewhere doesn't make you stupid. I am asking to get a baseline to how you approach the game.

@AI, why is it implausible this is TvT? Why not take the initiative to sort then? Right now, it seems like you're just at null reads on us both and content with that.

I do think you said me v FB is different than me v viva (too lazy to check) which you postulated might be t v t. What are the differences?

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:47 pm

SirCakez, Eagle is already on our wagon.

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:48 pm

KickAss, join us on Fire?

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:48 pm

Why is it awful? You said he was scum but "not the priority"? Why can't he be? Scum is scum.

Titus · Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:57 pm

VLA Feb 5th

Titus · Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:47 am

@KAAG,

I don't see how anyone isn't townreading Cakes. To me, he is the most obvious scumhunter out if everyone here. We tend to be in the same place regarding most our reads and he's pushing the things I would except for Viva.

Titus · Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:47 am

Cakes flip would gain a lot of information regarding the game and VCA though.

Titus · Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:12 pm

Pistachion, I am sorry for repeatedly calling you Pisskop. It's a jerk thing of me to do, even though it was an accident.

Kaag, you're wierding me out here...

Titus · Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:44 pm

I generally avoid N1 NKA. Right now, it's wifom. It presumes scum think like you. Some people like wtf kills, others murder those who scumread them, others murder for day talk dynamic.

I don't think he's just Sheeping me but we can test said theory when I go VLA later. Go to town on him Friday.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:34 am

In post 1319, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1309, Titus wrote:others murder for day talk dynamic.
Can you elaborate on this?

Yeah sure.

As a game progresses, each player is reading the game thinking who are scum and how do I get them lynched? The best way to do that is to identify town and have everyone work together. Obvious town with terrible reads dying to create chaos would fit this bill. Scum would have more control over the dynamics. Same reason why ICs tend to die a lot in newbie games.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:34 am

In post 1332, SirCakez wrote:No because right now the lynches on the table are Titus and myself which is what scum wants. It doesn't POE down the lurkers because the lurkers aren't getting pressured enough.
I honestly don't remember Yonom's posts at all. Super forgettable which is not a good thing.

Firebringer is also an option...

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:35 am

In post 1327, SirCakez wrote:Actually what are people thinking of Karnage? That slot has been lurky all game.

Nah he hasn't been. He's been rather townie to me.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:38 am

If we assume scum buddying me, Cerb is a more logical place to look as he hasn't done much.

FB is trying to lurk off his wagon.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:40 am

Mod: VC please

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:16 am

In post 1343, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1338, Viva La Gloria wrote:Titus STILL defending Yonom.
I was townreading Yonom as well. Karnage replaces Yonom, right?

I think if Titus is scum, then she will townread all her scum buddies, but, of course, she will also buddy actual townies. This creates a pool of suspects but where the scum are hidden by the presence of townies.

Yes.

Derrrrp... Lynch scum reads not people who might be scum if a townie is scum like wtf...

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:17 am

In post 1345, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1344, SirCakez wrote:If Titus is scum then she successfully buddied the hell out of me which would be sad.
Remember our Jungle Republic game? You kept townreading Expedience, when I kept saying he was scum. He tried to buddy me as well, but I didn't fall for it. In the end, when it became convenient for him, he suddenly started a wagon me and got me lynched.

Wow, now if this isn't fear mongerring, holy shit. That game has like zero to do with me.

Why haven't you voted Fire again?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:22 am

No...your point? You're voting EE and rambling on about my hypothetical buddies.

Your vote right now is a waste. Ee is town. Cakes is town. Karnage is probably town. We all agree fB is probably scum. I don't get the hold up.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:28 am

In post 1351, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Vote Firebringer if you want. I am not convinced yet. Perhaps you should try harder to convince me.

Your attention to detail is lacking. I already am voting him. You're already not townreading Firebringer. Why should I suppose you're town reading the game wrong as opposed to scum?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:44 am

In post 1353, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1352, Titus wrote:
In post 1351, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Vote Firebringer if you want. I am not convinced yet. Perhaps you should try harder to convince me.

Your attention to detail is lacking. I already am voting him.
I never said that you did not already vote for him.

You're already not townreading Firebringer.
So what? I think I have been clear about why I am not voting him.

Why should I suppose you're town reading the game wrong as opposed to scum?
You tell me. You are asserting that my reads are incorrect because they don't match yours, but that is hardly objective. The only thing that you know, if you are town, is that I would be wrong about you.

That's my problem with you. You are sitting here being a lurk a derp making no effort to sort the situation. Let's suppose you're right and it is T v S. By lynching one of us and watching how the wagons play out, you could give final reads in twilight.

This interaction isn't scumhunting. You're not doing anything. You're vote parked on the sidelines for a shitty read.

If you aren't going to vote Fire, make some effort to sort us. It should be enough that you would get to clear me after Fire flips.

Fire lurking away his wagon doesn't bother you? Have you thought about something?

If you're town, do something beyond being passive aggressive.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:53 am

In post 1355, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
Let's suppose you're right and it is T v S.
Why suppose that I'm right? You should agree with this without a doubt.

No. I shouldn't agree with that without a doubt, unless you say I should have zero reason to doubt FB being scum because you both are scum together. While I am pretty sure FB is scum, we all saw what happened with my last never doubted read. There is a chance this is TvT. Hence why I said suppose you are right.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:02 am

Totally down for wagonning AI too. He's doing everything in his power to avoid taking a stance on Firebringer.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:42 pm

In post 1377, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1354, Titus wrote:Fire lurking away his wagon doesn't bother you? Have you thought about something?

I am the Ika lurker! THe most deadly mafia player in existence (love you ika!)

Your timing is utterly terrible.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:54 pm

In post 1385, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1384, Titus wrote:Your timing is utterly terrible.

Thank you?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:55 pm

Suppose I am town FB, what are your reads?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:00 pm

I am starting to come around on AI. His posts are weird to me. Really don't get the Sir Cakez thing. Is it really just that he agrees with me?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:32 pm

AI bothers me regardless of your alignment too.

Thoughts on Cerb?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:47 pm

In post 1394, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1391, Titus wrote:I am starting to come around on AI. His posts are weird to me. Really don't get the Sir Cakez thing. Is it really just that he agrees with me?
What's weird about them? Be specific. What is it with SirCakez?

Please don't tell me your context is this bad. I was asking FB why he scumread Cakes.

You're prior fencesitting and then attempting to turn things to say I am is really scummy. I don't suggest wagons on people I'm townreading.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:17 pm

Hey, Cakez, I'm liking Fire's responses here. Is this because I'm inclined to like FB, he's agreeing with me or are his recent answers good?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:34 pm

In post 1420, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1416, SirCakez wrote:They're OK. I'm not feeling the AI push though. I'd like it if he gave reads on the other half of the player list that I'm actually having trouble sorting. If he keeps up the activity and doesnt go back to lurking my read might improve.

And yeah Fire's a pretty likable guy, at least from what I've seen so far. Don't know if it would affect your read on him but it's not affecting mine.

I am not likable and I want you to take that back or I will see you in court with my lawyer, Titus, for these slanderous remarks.

In post 1421, SirCakez wrote:Yeah Titus did back off the Fire scum read too easily, agree with AI on that.
Don't sue me over a compliment please.

Reconsidering is not backing off. Reconsidering based on new posts is townie. I still think Fire is scum, but I was seeing if my nagging doubts were accurate or not.

Firebringer, you're likable. I love you.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:59 pm

In post 1427, SirCakez wrote:AI and KAAG are obv town. I don't like how Fire is pushing obvtown AI based on nonexistent opportunistic reads.

Huh?

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:07 pm

In post 1435, Viva La Gloria wrote:If Titus isn't getting lynched today Karnage is my second favourite lynch.
Titus's 180 on Yonom was absolutely disgusting, and Karnage has done fuck all in thread.

That's not true at all.

Throwing out a question isn't a 180 at all. I think Karnage is town. This is ridiculous.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:17 pm

In post 1440, Viva La Gloria wrote:
In post 1439, Titus wrote:
In post 1435, Viva La Gloria wrote:If Titus isn't getting lynched today Karnage is my second favourite lynch.
Titus's 180 on Yonom was absolutely disgusting, and Karnage has done fuck all in thread.

That's not true at all.

Throwing out a question isn't a 180 at all. I think Karnage is town. This is ridiculous.

You pushing that Sircakez wagon with no reasoning then everyone surviving is ridiculous.
This town being immediately on board with defending every scummy thing that you do is ridiculous.
You trying to push a lynch on me for 'making too much noise' is ridiculous.

The ridiculous stops when you are lynched.

What's this everyone surviving nonsense?
Maybe cause I'm not doing anything scummy and you're whining and not listening to anyone else.
Nah, I'm pushing you for not scumhunting and flooding the game.

You're arguing anytime I doubt my reads or reassess means that it's a 180. Things aren't that black and white.

Titus · Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:21 pm

In post 1442, Viva La Gloria wrote:I'm drunk.
What I meant to say was you pushing that SS wagon then everyone (you, Sircakez, etc.) surviving is ridiculous.
You're doing everything scummy and I'm not going to listen to your scumbuddies, thanks. My townreads agree with me.

No, I didn't argue your Firebringer read was an 180. That's a read change I can see.

So everyone who pushed a mislynch wasn't nightkilled and that's ridiculous? Scum don't murder people for pushing the wrong lynches generally.

Your point is circular. Town is town because they agree with me and you're scum. Just because someone agrees or disagrees with you doesn't make them town.

Titus · Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:15 pm

Sorry been playing Xcom. It's a lot of fun.

Titus · Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:39 pm

In post 1526, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1525, Titus wrote:Sorry been playing Xcom. It's a lot of fun.

Have you encountered the toothless npc? O_o

Oh he's a PC and grenadier this play through.

Titus · Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:40 pm

In post 1527, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I need to check that one out, I've been meaning to try to take a break from dota. It looks pretty cool.

Totally

Titus · Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:59 am

In post 1548, Viva La Gloria wrote:EE's narcissism strikes me as far far more likely to come from town than scum.

I COULD see him as scum but it doesn't seem likely that he'd white knight to this extent on town. MAYBE this could be his way of defending scum!Titus; but again, better choices.

Or maybe Titus is arrogant town hmm.

Your whole dayphase has been nothing but Titus is scum. Your whole worldview (if town) depends on that.

You're saying narcissism is indicative of town, but ignoring my very confident push.

You allegedly have had a Firebringer scumread but are not pursuing it solely because the people you don't like are wagonning the other way.

You die tomorrow because I have little doubt FB will flip scum.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:10 pm

Firebringer should happen. I don't like Karnage. I would only vote there to avoid NL.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:10 pm

*don't like Karnage wagon.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 1620, SirCakez wrote:Why are you town reading Karnage?

Because he's putting out well thought out reasons and scumhuntingeven if I might disagree with some points. Yonom slot was pretty town too.

I would be down for AI if we flash wagoned. Pistachion or Cow also work. Viva too.

Everyone else I really don't care to lynch.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:28 pm

No. #1448 is pretty townie, even though he's likely incorrect on you.

He's not a real time talker. That's NAI.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:39 pm

@Sir, If Karnage is far more aggressive and fast posting as scum, then wouldn't it follow he's more likely town here?

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:58 pm

Ohh I misunderstood context there. Does this effect hold up if he's scum over multiple games? A sample size of one is meh...worth looking into.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:09 pm

OK, if the pattern holds up (with citations I can verify), Karnage would fall down to an ok, would do it.

I need to sleep to try to get over this cold.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:41 pm

What do you think of the idea to lynch you at the last second?

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:14 pm

Look, if you're town stop being fatalistic and jumping on every counter with a pulse.

Try something again rather than rehashing names already said.

Titus · Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:33 pm

In post 1640, TheCow wrote:VOTE: fb

You're getting my votepark tomorrow. I was not ready for this day to end.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:27 am

Shrug, if we want to lynch me. Do it now. Get it done. I get the argument for not having me around in lylo. Meanwhile

VOTE: TheCow

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:48 pm

I think Cerb and Cow need to do things.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:05 pm

In post 1737, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1736, Karnage wrote:
In post 1731, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1729, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1721, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1720, Titus wrote:I think Cerb and Cow need to do things.

I think you need to be on the cakes lynch today so you can be cleared tomorrow

Because cakez flipping scum clears her...how? I think she's town for my own reasons, but this argument is weak.

Titus: You're right, I need to do more. I was super busy with life and <ongoing> while the end of the day approached for last day phase, but I expect I'll have a good bit of free time through this weekend.

Titus doesn't bus. She never has and never will.
She's had her scum buddy bus her before because she wouldn't bus otherwise

How do you know this?

She says it in literally every game I've played with her.

Overblown. I usually don't bus but have a game or two to throw off meta. Generally it's all about payoff and risk reward. Bussing is a very low reward strategy.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:49 pm

VOTE: Viva

Down for this. Viva won't stop til one of us is dead.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:52 pm

In post 1727, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1725, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Both nks condemn the him.

This is so much garbage, you're probably the scum trying to use your night kill to your advantage so you can get a harder mislynch out of the way today so you can get an easy mislynch tomorrow on whoever out of the pool I listed earlier isn't scum.

I think you're both town, but if not can you pretend to agree with each other to discus the game state.

Ee, can you start by asking SirCakez a question about a read not already discussed?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:53 pm

*agree that each other's town briefly

Gaaaah need to sleep

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:57 pm

Noise or scum. You're not scumhunting. You are not commenting on major events outside of me. Either way, unless you shape up fast, I want you dead.

Two readwalls would be great. One if I am scum. The other if I am town.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:59 pm

In post 1725, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Titus he's kind of like elyse. Yes hid and echoed all game. Both nks condemn the him. He has already contradicted himself at least three times today. Give me a reason cakes is town or vote him, please.

Will sleep on this.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:09 pm

@Karnage/EE, Do you think TheCow is scummy? Yes or no please.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:12 pm

In post 1778, SirCakez wrote:My reads sucked, but there had to be some scum on those wagons.

No there does not. If scum are sitting back while viva is noise, then scum may not be on any mislynch.

Cow pistachion Cerb team for instance. Done jackshit all game waiting for us to implode.

Scum had zero interest in resolving me v viva if that is the case.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:13 pm

In post 1757, SirCakez wrote:Like I can vote Viva if there's a wide consensus but I don't think this hyper tunneling and aggression comes from scum. It would be way too brazen.

Dude, I did this in noob scum games. Motivation trumps the tool.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:12 pm

@SirCakez - Newbie 1388. I tunneled the fuck out of one of the SE's as newb scum. You have not been exposed to all scum methods, nor have I.

Can you answer me on your cow read?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:15 pm

Nevermind, missed that SirCakez. I have a bit of a cold.

SirCakez, Karnage, EE, Cerb and I agree on the cow.
A wagon cannot go through on town without scum at this point I believe. I would like all of us to vote cow. If I am therefore wrong about cow, scum have to be on his wagon, thus proving scum in my townreads. Then y'all go fight each other.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:30 pm

There's been zero reason given or pressure on Karnage because he's obvtown. His posting reeks of town. I have said this a few times, but you dismiss my posts.

Why are you so against my plan viva? It's just as likely people would turn on me if I am wrong. But wait, you never considered the possibility I am right. Why didn't you consider that?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:42 pm

I don't think anyone can consider me as refusing to engage with you given my continuous reach outs and requests for you to see the gamestate from alternative perspectives.

Again, you're not considering the possibility the cow may be scum? Is this because I suggested a cow lynch or because you have an independent townread on him?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:53 pm

Yes, I do have the nerve. I have a town pm. A player who centers every read on me being scum is a player who is noise from my perspective. Mislynches happen. People get convinced others are scum and are wrong. For instance in NY 191, the innocent child tunneled on me trying to rig a setup where we one v oned. She revealed and failed to get me lynched. I was obvious town. So yes town can be noise if pursuing town. I know all your reads depend on me being scum so fmpov. Take a step back.

How do you lean town on cow? Seriously?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:12 pm

I have not had my townreads proven incorrect. All your reads so far depend on me being scum, so any logic you have presented has severely finished value. If I told everyone that the cow is scum because the moderator is scum, everyone would disregard what I was saying because we know the moderator isn't scum. Here, I know I am town, so when you state that player X has to be scum because I am, I don't see any reason at all.

If you want me to consider your thoughts, you'll need to give reads independent of me.

Second, SS and Firebringer were not obvtown. I was considering the possibility of Fire being town at the end, which is why cow's hammer was so bad.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:14 pm

*finished = diminished.

Oh and I have zero desire to stop talking to you until a) I am able to sort you definitively b) if you're town and I see that, you see I am too or c) it gets in the way of others scumhunting.

The noise stops today.

Titus · Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:23 pm

Cerb, what do you think of my proposal? Is there any chance of getting Viva to intelligently engage, or am I wasting my breath?

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:57 am

In post 1814, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1808, Cerberus v666 wrote:AI: where do you stand on everyone at this point? All you've said today is the bit about sircakez.
Alright.

I am suspicious of SirCakez for being on two town wagons, and townreading people like Titus.
I am suspicious of Titus for pushing two town wagons (one of them being obvious town), and townreading people like SirCakez.
I am suspicious of TheCow for lolhammering two townies.

And finally, I am suspicious of you for being so engaged into this game, but as far as I can see, you have not voted in this whole game yet. I don't like how you townread one of the most anti-town players in this game.

I agree with everything here but you trying to divide SirCakez and I.

I too was bothered by Cerb's lack of stance on the plan that I threw out to have certain voters on TheCow. He only answered half the question.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:36 am

It's not horrible. Cow is my preferred but we've seen how my preferred lynches went. If my townreads agree, I'd go there.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:02 am

Cerb, whether or not you'd actually vote for cow and what you'd think of doing it with the wagon I suggested.

You are being really obtuse here.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:21 am

Yeah, that's ahell of a political response...

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:23 am

UNVOTE:

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:32 am

There isn't a lot to say...

Spews a bunch of words...

It would do a fair amount to solve the game IMO if cow flipped town or scum based on the responses to my proposal. Who was bussing and who isn't for example.

You just seem real intent on poopooing information that can be gathered. That's not townie.

I still have no clue who you would want to lynch and who you'd want on the wagon.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:39 pm

In post 1843, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1839, Cerberus v666 wrote:I've also noticed no ones talking about pistachion, except Titus with her comment about a potential pistachion,(someone else, I don't remember who), me team that's just standing by and letting town implode.

EE, SirCakez, thoughts there, assuming you guys are still around?

Pistach is my only null read right now. They aren't scummy but they just aren't doing anything.

Both Pistachion and Cerb have done nothing. Why aren't they both null if doing nothing on Day 3 warrants being null?

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:57 am

The last lolhammer on town I saw was scum.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:17 am

I get this.

I am town though.

All my scumreads got on this wagon. My wagon hits Lminus 1 when I unvote Cow and consider voting Cerb.

I am thinking Cerb Pistachion plus one other.

Good luck.

I recommend tomorrow @start of day popcorning reasonless reads lists and then scumhunting from there.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:21 am

Except the game isn't stagnating. The same players were lurking and Pistachion and Cerb are just now getting involved. How is the game stagnating?

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:29 am

In post 1867, SirCakez wrote:The game went without posts for 12 hours a day or so ago. That stagnating.

People sleep. Weekends are slow.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:02 am

In post 1850, SirCakez wrote:I could see Titus/Cerb/Cow scum team. With Cow being bussed by the two of them.

Where is Karnage in this list?

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:59 am

Actually, my whole plan had a faulty premise in that last VC. I'm rather surprised Cerb didn't correct me here.

A wagon full of 5 lynching town does not necessarily have to have scum on it. It's theoretically possible all 5 remaining town vote a 6th town and all three scum were off wagon.

I want Cerb to cast a vote. There's enough here to get a strong opinion on someone.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:59 am

I'm out for most of the day.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:59 pm

@pistachion, basically he's not pushing scumreads. He's hanging back too much.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:46 am

Can I just say that Viva's reads and my own are in direct opposition but for AI and EE. Karnage is likely town. Cakes too but I am starting to waiver there.

Viva continues to lie and state my scumreads are unsupported and it's pissing me off.

@Viva, Both your townreads have no desire to lynch me. Your probtown read is OMGUSing my slot. How does this make you feel?

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:56 am

In post 1912, Viva La Gloria wrote:No, it's ok. we'll lynch cow who you said would flip town to prove that one of your townreads is scum.

that's happening.

I never said cow would flip town.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:06 am

Right. That says I scumread cow but provides a failsafe if I am wrong.

That's not saying I townread cow.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:07 am

Semi VLA not feeling well and work is piling up.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:13 am

Yeah, how about you try reading my posts if you're town rather than trying to fit them into a scum box.

You still didn't answer 1911.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:39 am

In post 1929, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1898, Titus wrote:@pistachion, basically he's not pushing scumreads. He's hanging back too much.

But is that different than how he acts in other games? I'm under the impression that being evasive is sort of his thing.

No. In Steven's Universe, he'd engage the thread much more. He fully can place votes. Here, he's giving the impression he doesn't care. He wasn't really voting cow for being scummy, but just for apathy. Not cool. If someone's wrong twice, there is a natural inclination to not want this person leading regardless of their alignment. The apathy cow and Cerb face is

.

Right now, the fact you're bothering to get involved in the game actually suggests I could be wrong about you. I am starting to lean more Cerb cow viva/Cakez. Please engage more if you're town, more than just me.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:21 am

1931 is what I was waiting on.

I will let Karnage answer your question before replying. I would like to see his defense.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:22 pm

VOTE: Cow

AI, look at the wagons.

Scum pushing my wagon today did jackshit when it was me v fire. Well viva's been spamming, Titus was wrong therefore scum.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:23 pm

He avoids votes as both alignments. He does have a scumgame or two but I am blanking on them.

He doesn't avoid the content. He's started to improve, so I am content lynching cow.

Titus · Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:30 pm

Can we get a vc and prods?

Titus · Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:03 pm

EE, AI, let's wrap this day up with a lynch on scum. :-p

How about it? Cow lynch?

Titus · Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:19 pm

In post 1967, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1956, Titus wrote:He avoids votes as both alignments. He does have a scumgame or two but I am blanking on them.

He doesn't avoid the content. He's started to improve, so I am content lynching cow.

So if he's doing what he does as both alignments, why are you scumreading him based on his behavior...?

You misunderstood my post.

As town, he doesn't avoid content or taking stands or investigating. He just started to open up in his recent postings. I wouldn't go so far as to call him town yet but I'm willing to give him a day.

Titus · Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:11 am

Look into lynching viva. Too many townreads for not reconsidering anything.

Ai, I WAS reconsidering Fire. That's why the cow hammer was bad.

Oh well.

Whatever you do, lynch from those on my wagon.
Viva and SirCakez and cow are my preferred lynches.