Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (GG)

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How is it day2 with no lynch and no kills?

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Reading forward then reading back. Please point out anything that can cut down on a full read.

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Checked out the VCAs & mod iso- I was lynched day1. From a nowhere wagon, which I'll be checking into.

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I did see the request for a claim, which I would normally ignore, because there is so much juicy goodness that can be gotten from my role, but that has been greatly diminished.

Anyway, I think I'm a kid Eli the Mamba - hate kid.

I can't die. As evidenced by day1. I have other abilities which I will not reveal until such time as they provide more info.

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just vote PB.

Why? They are a hydra of Titus & Fire, so I think I might be able to read them fairly well.

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They are either scum or a town distraction, regardless a quality lynch.

lol..I'll read them first.

Finished Ranger iso. Unless it was a PR fishing kill, then so was probably onto scum.

Vote: Eilbrin

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Happy thanksgiving everybody! I'll be back later today.

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the mod replied telling me the slot is absent and i should pick a different target. so clearly cow is town.

I very highly doubt this + you already claimed (fakeclaimed?) IC so why should I believe this new claim?

The role pms have a place for active and passive abilities. So it is possible that IC is the passive and he can also follow someone.

Hmmmmmmm.........

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Yeah, I find it hard to believe both IC and extra stuff

Vote: Xtomx

@Kate- I think your on the right track to see if Scorpius cleared anybody.

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Aren't you Unkillable and have extra stuff PV?


I await this reasoning, DS. I guess you don't deny that you did indeed visit me then. So Xtoxm isn't lying about the extra ability, or if he would be scum with DS which is kind of stupid unless they wish to take the game before tomorrow starts.

Good point.

Unvote

Need to figure out why Xtom is bothering me.

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Skybird is Town..

This is the only thing I found that might be secure. I really wish he had crumbed before going into night, but I feel pretty good about this being a result.

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Soo I used my ability on skybird last night, he hasn't been targeted by scum.

For fucks sake

I'm code talker. Every night I can target someone and I'll be told if they've ever been targeted by scum, but not who the scum is or what they were targeted by. The flavor is that I'm some expert in parasites and I can tell if anyone's been infected

Night 1 I targeted pb, they weren't targeted by any scum. I thought with all the crumbing they'd be an obvious target for a roleblock and I could confirm them as town if so.

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I feel at best meh about it being a result.

Pere, you're pinging.

Like a sonar? Not sure what that means.

I think it's a real result. It came before the end of the day, it's clear, concise, and totally unambiguous. And when he flips, it gives us information.

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It didn't come at the start of the day.

And you're pinging because you're reminding me a little of the smite game. You're supposedly unkillable, which gives you a hell of a bully pulpit. You're not using it.

It didn't. Probably because then he would have to fake-justify it or fully claim. No need to as long as Skybird is not the lynch. The fact he did it it such a manner that would be more obvious after his flip makes it more likely to me.

Yeah, this game is somewhat developed, and I have to dig for pieces, so I've put it lower on my list right now. Plus not as much info as I would like except for my own wagon.

btw-

@Cabd- Can you update the OP please

I don't remember smite, was I town or scum? And I was unkillable?

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the mod replied telling me the slot is absent and i should pick a different target. so clearly cow is town.

I very highly doubt this + you already claimed (fakeclaimed?) IC so why should I believe this new claim?

The role pms have a place for active and passive abilities. So it is possible that IC is the passive and he can also follow someone.

I don't follow the logic though that just because the slot absent that it means cow/G[o]dz is town.

this is a fair statement and something I didn't really think of but that only covers part of it. Do you really think the mod told him that he couldn't target Cow and to pick someone else?

but also that OMGUS+fake rage doesn't look super townie at all.

I also don't think "skybird is town" is a crumb from Scorp.

Skybird is Town..

Meh. Looks like a result to me.

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You were scum beloved princess.

Oh yeah. Pretty sure I was lynched after claiming Princess. Or I was killed by someone. So not sure how it applies here.

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Like I said, you have a bully pulpit, which is nearly as good as a big stick. I expected your play here to be a little reminiscent of tales of you.

Was that the gladiator game? Pretty sure we lost that one.

But yeah, I do plan on using a stick.

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Now I know why he was bothering me.

Vote: Xtoxm

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However, there's little point lynching him today since he will be confirmed scum or confirmed town tomorrow, so your vote is bad PV.

Well I guess that answers your question "why would he do this as scum??" then, Metrion.

VOTE: Xtoxm

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Implying that Scorpius thought he's be NKed N1, is something I find unrealistic (no offense Scorp). Especially since there doesn't seem to be a crumb of them visiting Sky in the first place which would be kind of strange not to do.

day1 he should have crumbed. As a hider, if he had died, it would give us a guilty.

day2, before night2, he should crumb his night2 target. And, he should, somewhere in his iso, have his night1 result.

If the mod hadn't said specifically he'd been killed by GiF, I'd be looking at his hider target being Xtoxm or Diamond.

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I'd rather lynch elbirn by a far mile or peregrine

Were you on my first lynch?

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I'd rather lynch elbirn by a far mile or peregrine

Were you on my first lynch?

Nope.
Since you are finally responding to me, why don't you tell me if you have read the game, why you are lying about your ability and if you plan on doing anything this game other then lurk?

I've read since replacing in, haven't read the first part yet.
Why do you think I'm lying? I was lynched day1, yet am still here. Are you imlpying I'm a self-governor?
Yes. But, has there ever been a game where you thought I DIDN'T lurk?

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So who are your scum reads and why?

Biggest is Xtoxm. Behind him is probably expeidence & Diamond.
Then Farside, TBone, Kate, Elbirn, Metrion, Cow, Nero
Then Skybird is very probably town.

Why is because of reaction to my role, plus lying to prevent being lynched.

Expedience recently because he flipped on a dime about Xtom. Diamond for hypocrisy &bad attitude yesterday.

The middle are mostly undecided yet. I like some things I see, but it would have been in the last 20? 30? pages only.

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Oh, and also, VOTE: Metrion

Not for nothin, but I do have a really good reason for this. No explanation while I'm on mobile though. But you'll get it once I'm out of v/la

Ok, got my computer back. No longer on V/LA. Before I reveal my reasoning, I first want to say

WOW, What a bombshell, Xtoxm! I can't decide if I want to lynch you for that. On one hand, admitting that seems somewhat town, but at the same time, I feel like it's scummy. He's also right about me visiting Metrion. So take that as you will.

So we've got 2 subs that are going to have to play catch-up. I don't envy you and your 90 page read, Godz. I would definitely suggest that you try and catch-up, considering I've nearly been lynched for my scumal aphasia (forgetting any details about the game whatsoever).

Xtoxm, why would you lie about the IC part? That's what I don't get. If you are a tracker, that's not even close to a PR. I feel like your action would be deserving of a policy lynch regardless of whether or not you are scummy, simply because what you did could have resulted in a mis-lynch, which depending on PV-flip it might have been. It seems like a very anti-town play.

I must have missed the whole reason part....

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I am Quiet: Sniper.

Twice I may shoot someone with a tranq shot, they will be asleep for half of the day phase.
I may not use this ability on the same person both times.
As my rifled is silenced I cannot be tracked or watched while performing this action.

No passives


Notes:

At day start if someone is asleep it will be announced and everyone will be informed vaguely that they'll wake up eventually.
Players asleep still count towards majority.
Players asleep get a private TP with Cabd and have to post in order to not be prodded for the duration.



I shot GiF with my first tranq, it was them or TheCow, I figured he wasn't active enough anyway and if scum have a dead chat then that's better for town.

VOTE: DS

Why did you not use your ability night1?

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Also I'm just going to say this again.
Elbirn voted a player he was town reading and is scum. Ignoring this is stupid.

This would normally be something that might be a scumtell to me, but given the townread and the scumread (1522,1523) both came from playstyle reasons I find questionable themselves, it's more meh to me.

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Monday post, catching up today.

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Also I'm just going to say this again.
Elbirn voted a player he was town reading and is scum. Ignoring this is stupid.

This would normally be something that might be a scumtell to me, but given the townread and the scumread (1522,1523) both came from playstyle reasons I find questionable themselves, it's more meh to me.

I'm just going to disagree in full because those links mean nothing to me.

They are the reasons given for the various town and scumreads.

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I'm also thinking that we should lynch Xtoxm instead of Met today b/c if they sent Met to do the scum kill he likely has a weaker role. Thoughts?

This makes sense, and I think is true in like 75% of the time.

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Vote: Metrion

other choice is Xtoxm

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I think I've been prod else's. Will read this weekend.

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Pere needs to full claim in his next post.

I did.

I did see the request for a claim, which I would normally ignore, because there is so much juicy goodness that can be gotten from my role, but that has been greatly diminished.

Anyway, I think I'm a kid Eli the Mamba - hate kid.

I can't die. As evidenced by day1. I have other abilities which I will not reveal until such time as they provide more info.

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Vote: Metrion

other choice is Xtoxm

I skimmed the last 5 pages, and don't see anything better than my own words.

Vote: Xtoxm

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Implying there is one. To me, peregrine looks like he's deadline fishing.

Surprising no one, I'm good with voting near or at deadline when needed.

What were your results last night?

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@Cabd - V/LA (Limited Access) through Jan5, 2016. Will most likely be minimum posting.

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Pere needs to

full claim

in his next post.

I did.

I did see the request for a claim, which I would normally ignore, because there is so much juicy goodness that can be gotten from my role, but that has been greatly diminished.

Anyway, I think I'm a kid Eli the Mamba - hate kid.

I can't die. As evidenced by day1.

I have other abilities which I will not reveal until such time as they provide more info.

It's public knowledge that today is LYLO.

Claim in full.

I'll take your word for it,since nobody disagreed.

I have no other abilities. Am only unkillable.

Trying tolynch me will lose us the game.

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VOTE: PeregrineV

Trying tolynch me will lose us the game.

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VOTE: PeregrineV

Trying tolynch me will lose us the game.

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Merry belated Christmas all!

If it's not Lylo and only Mylo, then my lynch is a no lynch, and still kind of dumb from my point of view, but is still a no-lynch, which is strategically for the best, then I guess I'm ok with it.

But, why are we not lynching Xtoxm again? He claimed scum.

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You're gettng lynched today because if you are a mafia, then this game is basically bastard if you don't die, and if you're town, then it basically confirms your role, which is a good thing!

Any other "claimed mafia" can be lynched tomorrow.

As long as we don't lose for the trying.

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Happy New Year all!!!

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Twilight time.

I don't think Nero is scum.

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Mr Birn is probably a mafia, and Mr Cain is probably his partner.

More so if PelicanV flips a mafia.

I'm town, and won't flip at all.

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PV are you here?

Yes, sort of.

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lets talk some reads. Who are you scum reading and why?

What do you think of my reads?

I think you have my and Godz as scum.
Those are bad, because I'm not.
I don't think Godz is, but that is mostly because I like his posting clarity (complete sentences, capitalization, etc.).
Not sure of your other ones.

For my part, my strongest is Xtoxm for his ealier play.
Second is probably Elbrin, because of the night1 kill.
And even those are weak since my play these last couple of months has been pretty bad.

Based on claimed role stuff/play with regards to me/meta, I lean town on you, Kate, Anti, Diamond.

Anyone else can be null.

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Anti = t-bone?

Yes, sorry about that. Still stands.

What are your thoughts about Expedience?

I am an inventor, I can claim my abilities if you want but I told the neighborhood already and it shouldn't really matter.

I targeted GiF n1 and n2, and T-Bone n3.

If this stuff can be confirmed, that would help (and I thought someone had).
Also, isn't there a neighborhood/mason thing? Someone did a logical reason why it's town, one that I thought sounded good at the time. Neighbors are probably town.

so, lean town on Expeidnece

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I can't find it now, but it had something to do with actions and claiming and stuff in the nieghborhood.

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I can't find it now, but it had something to do with actions and claiming and stuff in the nieghborhood.

it was Godz saying that he gambited that he was going to protect Farside but didn't and thus hood scum would have to be him/ballsy. I agree wit him though, it is very likely to be him.

He said he was going to protect Farside, but Farside was killed because he protected someone else instead.....

What post was that? It sounded better when I read it earlier.

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So what'd you give PV, Expedience?

Do tell, mind you, since it's LyLo...

Neck balm and a teddy bear.

Vote: Xtoxm

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Did Gif ever claim? If not why would you randomly give him an ability to give him extra x-shots? Why in the world would you wait so long as to give away the cop ability? When did you guys claim in the hood?

PV confirm you were given a 2 shot cop thing last night.

I got a scope that lets me find out ability type another player has. I can use it twice.

When we lynch scum today, is there anybody that has yet to be checked?

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Oh basically the same thing Expedience gave me on N3, which I reloaded for him, so that he could give it out again, which I used on Nero, which told me the ability he has is not the one he claims to have.

Imagine that?

Since I haven't used it yet, I've not really following your posts against Nero.

What are the ability types you have uncovered so far? Which did Nero claim, and which is he?

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My point is that Nero's big defense to being caught is some massive conspiracy, and I'm taking every opportunity to shit on it. You described exactly how the thing works and when you use it tonight you'll discover it works in the manner I have claimed. When you use it the mod will tell you "this is their passive abilities, this is their active abilities".

I only got to use it for the first time last night. Nero claimed he is a miller and that 'traitor' is the name of his ability. I discovered he has no such ability, but he has an active one called 'Brunt to a Crisp'.

Is it a flavor thing or ability thing?

Nero claimed Miller. Is he a Miller?

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The setup was not extreme. I've played a (town) role that handed out BPs each night. Those BPs were only good for as long as another player (unknown to me) was alive. I kind of consider this the inverse, since I was able to be affected by night actions when I performed the Nk. Meaning I could have been watch, tracked, killed, blocked, etc. if I took any night actions. I'm not sure, but I think I did most of the kills this game, because we were willing to take that chance. I agree with Tbone that the scumteam put forth effort (in both the main thread, the neighborhood, and the night actions) to make every day and night work out in our best interests. I really feel my major part of the team, aside from pulling in town no-lynches, was to get the team to avoid bussing. There was no reason for it, but it came up multiple times. And it would have been a tool we used, had it became necessary.

If you were killed early and don't know why, it's because you were on the right track, or pushing hard on someone we wanted to keep.

I also think the scum team powers (except for the conditional unkillable) was overall not very scum-sided, unless used wisely.

Here is my role PM, until Cabd gets a chance to post them.

PeregrineV

Hello! Welcome to Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain Mafia Edition.

Your role in this game is as follows:

Win Condition

As a player with the Scum faction, you win when all town players are dead; or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Name and Role

Tretij Rebenok: Child of Hate

Passive Abilities

Inhabit: While The Man on Fire is alive, you are immune to all roles in the game (this includes the daily lynch). You may still choose to make the nightkill, but doing so disables this passive for that night.

Active Abilities

You have no active abilities.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that the entire reason mafia won is the setup, but the setup did give you a huge advantage (and no, it's not by any measure brilliant play that you're able to make lynches happen on unlynchable mafia...), I'm pretty sure the setup was mafia-sided and you didn't win because of some grand manipulation that will be remembered even a month or two from now; you won because of solid play around a flawed setup.

If you honestly think it wasn't mafia-sided, then bet a decent sum of money on it and I would be willing to programmatically calculate the EV to prove or disprove it. I'll even do you one better; all you have to do is bet on whether town's odds of winning were better than 4/9.

I'm pretty sure that the odds of town winning are around 50%, but, slightly less due to the lack of guilty body language that real life players put out. Someone can quote it, but I think it's about 45%?

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My gripe exactly.

People didn't pay attention to the dead. The closest was Kate Bishop, but they never followed it through and pushed it strongly.

They never do. The dead town are usually just as much right or wrong as town ever are. But, being dead, you can no longer question them about their reads, so players tend to ignore them more as the game goes on. An NKA may help give the dead players a little more credibility, but NKA can be faked almost as well as it can be accurate.

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Ugh.

There was plenty wrong with my play, but getting shot down over the Ranger/Elbirn connection made me mad then and depresses me now.

Don't let it get to you. It's a game, it's over, and you'll play again, and you may win or you may lose. Don't be depressed, sign up for another one instead!!