Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

[droog]

You believe Titus to be scum?

It is not impossible, but

any town player that knows Titus at least a little bit knows that she is very deceptive and manipulative, so townreading her is quite foolish

if you are town. I assume town-SirCakez to be smarter than that. You think you could buddy her like that? Think again.

what kind of logic is that
anyone can be jdeceptive
just because titus is wiley doesnt mean
she cant be townread for valid reasons

[droog]

really treating someone different
for being a strong player
just makes that slot stronger

[droog]

Nope other way.

You too easily changed votes

for someone who was previously so invested in their Rhazh scum read. Scum opportunistically jumping on a wagon that looked to take pressure away from them.

> too easily changed votes
> post #108

[droog]

Townies usually have confidence in their scumreads.

[droog]

im caught up
nothing caught my eye

smart wagon is overplayed
no strong scumread on smart
want to see how he responsd when
half the town isnt jumping down his throat

titus leans mild town
pure gut

cakes leans mild scum
hes pretty cocky

otherwise i have nothing realy to say
even im shocked

[SirCakez]

You believe being cocky is indicative of scum?
And what do you think of AlwaysInnocent?

[droog]

You believe being cocky is indicative of scum?

no
yours just strikes me wrong

[/quote]And what do you think of AlwaysInnocent?[/quote]

im in an ongoing with him
i want to wait and compare

[Drixx]

Extrapolated Eagle replaces Victor_Mortimer

[TheCow]

UNVOTE:

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Hello. Reading /half skimming through right now. Here's some big stuff (for me) that I didn't see anyone else get to by page 5

First!
VOTE: Cerberus
Die, dog of the devil.

Good choice. But I'm like, a robot dog. Not a devil dog. O.o

I don't know what you're talking about but the first Cerberus was a dog that guarded the entrance to Hades.

Also this post pings me as scummy. "Good choice" isn't something I'd ever imagine saying in this situation as town.

I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?

This is likely town but also not a great question in my experience.

Hi.

VOTE: Yonom

I will not be using any associatives to scum-hunt this game.

I think this is likely town as well. Just a feeling.

Cerberus, why no RVS?

This is typical reaction when someone doesn't vote in RVS. I'm going to say it's also a reaction that more often comes from town.

SS how exactly are you coming to that conclusion?

This makes me think SS OR Razh is scum, but not both.

I don't feel as good about lynching the former.

I kinda have to agree with SirCakez and PC here, Something_Smart seems to be jumping on conclusions too fast and too randomly.

VOTE: Something_Smart

This is likely scum if SS is scum.

Tries not to stand out but doesn't want to get caught by VCA.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

maybe they should role claim

Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Likely not SS and Razh together. I've got more on that if you still believe this at page ten.

AI has pinged me as well, but I'm not sure on them yet

Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Just gonna point out a few things.
1. You are scumreading 3 of the 4 newest players who have posted.
2. You believe that all 3 scum would pile on the same wagon at the beginning of day 1. In White Flag.
3. Your case on me is based primarily on one thing I did that another person who was scum also did.

Also Titus what is your read on SirCakez?

@3. I've found that scum make one or two big slips that show scum motivation a game. A case can be as small as Titus' and be just as good as a large one, often even better. It's not the number of points you have, it's the validity of said points.

AI is OMGUSing both Titus and myself. He has developed scumreads on both of us immediately after he has been scumread which I find very scummy.

Actually that's why I'm leaning town ever so slightly on AI at this point. You're actually more null

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Meant to say that 117 seemed a bit on the townie side of things.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

My RVS strategy and post-RVS strategy basically amounts to mudthrowing at as many people as I can.

Good strategy.

I like you at this point in the game.

Do you have a definite scum read?

I am going to wait until y'all see this yourselves or I can prove said tell is a tell.

Peace out, love you. I would rather not pull out the sledgehammer.

I think you should prove that it's a tell. From my point of view right now, SS currently fits a certain profile for a type of player I often wind up thinking is scum but that I'm finding more and more is not scum. More specifically, his play this game has involved getting early suspicion and then bouncing around with his vote as if trying to find literally anything that will stick. And even just typing this out I'm getting that

this is the time

paranoid feeling and would feel really dumb if he does turn out to be scum and I conf-bias myself against it and I almost want to delete this whole paragraph but I won't I won't I won't I won't I won't. Square peg. Round hole. Show me the sledgehammer.

I know this feeling.

I still think that you're maybe scum.

VOTE: AI

Yeah no saying Town are confident isn't a scum tell unless you want to use it to back up a case of IIoA or something. Also your read on me is 100% bullshit fishing for Town cred.

Wow. Ew. No. Not a tell at all. Buddying with almost universal scum reads is a bad idea why would it make them scum even if they WERE buddying you and not just calling you scum?

I'm almost never confident day 1.
But that doesn't mean I don't have reasons.
And I haven't changed any of those reads. I voted Rhazh because he was mildly scummy. Then you were scummier so I voted you. Then AI was scummier so I voted him.
You're basically saying that once you have one scumread you should ignore everyone else and death tunnel that person. That's antitown.

I agree with you man.

This is disgusting buddying.

VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

This doesn't sound like "mildly scummy".

I'm sorry I don't have your magical ability to discern town from scum on page 3, but for me anyway scumreads that early can only be so serious.

It is not a good idea to make so many enemies before you are sure of their alignment. See my response to razh.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Townies usually have confidence in their scumreads.

I only sometimes have confidence in my scum reads. And those are very rare. But I'm very often right when it does happen. Then I get distracted and fall away though because no one ever believes me when I'm right. Only when I'm wrong.

Time for a read list.

Read List 1.1

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Something_Smart}

{RhazhBash, Cerberus v666}

{Yonom, pistachi0n, Viva La Gloria, Victor_Mortimer}

{Titus}

{TheCow, Phantom}

{SirCakez, NotAnAlt}

I like your reads.

That's a good idea.

{Something_Smart}

{Titus, Cerberus v666}

{pistachi0n, TheCow}

{Viva La Gloria, Victor_Mortimer, NotAnAlt}

{Yonom, PhantomCobalt}

{RhazhBash, SirCakez}

{AlwaysInnocent}

And Rhazh you realize there is a difference between "a joke" and "a page 3 read that I don't want people to see as a huge commitment but that is my strongest so far". To say that it wasn't serious is a misrepresentation.

I don't like your reads. Please reevaluate.

Something_Smart, please fix your read list. I am in the wrong place.

Yes. A lot of people are in the wrong place.

SS why make such a big case on Rhazh if it's "only so serious"?
AI's reads list is awful. Why is NotAnAlt top scum? Why are Cow and PC scum?

Why didn't you ask about you?

im caught up
nothing caught my eye

smart wagon is overplayed
no strong scumread on smart
want to see how he responsd when
half the town isnt jumping down his throat

titus leans mild town
pure gut

cakes leans mild scum
hes pretty cocky

otherwise i have nothing realy to say
even im shocked

What about cakez?
VOTE: sircakez
This is a good place for my vote right now.

[Cerberus v666]

Hi I'm back. Had a friends bday yesterday and mostly ignored mafia except for kinda sorta keeping up. I see we have replacements. Good.

I think I only saw one thing directed at me, and it was just fluff, but I'll answer it:

The handle I use is cerberus v6.66. v6.66, as in version numbers. I'm well aware of the place of Cerberus in Greek mythology, it holds similar associations with their underworld as 666 does in judeo-christian mythos, thus the use of both in my name.

I think i saw a couple things worth noting, some contradictions that need correction, but I'll have to go reread a bit to be sure I'm not misremembering, which I'll do after DnD tonight.

Anybody have anything they'd like to discuss with me in the meanwhile?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Reads list, please, Cerberus.

[Cerberus v666]

I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?

I loathe bussing, I feel it is inelegant and I prefer to win perfect games. With that said, scum might do it?

What I'm interested in though, is why you're going out of your way to make us especially aware of the bussing possibiity, especially in a game where the setup is named after such tactics. Usually when someone pushes someone elss, it's because they believe they're on opposite teams, but here you're kind of making it seem like a push on someone is just as likely to be a bus attempt as anything else.

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

Cerberus, why no RVS?

I don't vote unless I have a compelling reason to. RVS is dumb, and I also find D1 to be rather uninspiring. I work off hard data that is, flips and dayplay/nightplay when taken in conjunction with the flips we have, to determine which players have taken lines which make compelling arguments that the are scum/others are town, so they must be scum through PoE.

Barring a need to absolutely push a lynch through towards deadline, or someone outright contradicting themselves, it's unlikely you'll see me put a vote down today or develop a hard read on anyone.

Not impossible, mind you. Just unlikely.

-Cerb

[droog]

What about cakez?
VOTE: sircakez
This is a good place for my vote right now.

this is my leading scumread
but i dont want a vote down unless
i can explain why i think hes scum

right now i cant
no strong reads yet this early

[Titus]

Nice wall.

This tell has been accurate in Sudoken mafia and in Inorganic Chemistry. Still waiting for more.

I am ok where I am at until someone else makes a better case. I doubt it will happen.

[TheCow]

I'll place a vote next major post.

[PhantomCobalt]

Ketching up like Ronald McDonald's hair

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Cerberus
I read that as you saying you're not sharing reads. Is that a proper interpretation?

Titus
SS isn't scum with R. AI isn't scum with either of them.

So is your case merely against SS? Because I see it and recognize it, but I also think that the other two people you have grouped with him are a bad idea.

[Titus]

Then we lynch the one we agree on and fight tomorrow.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Then we lynch the one we agree on and fight tomorrow.

K. I got some other stuff to clear up first then I can join you.

[SirCakez]

SS why make such a big case on Rhazh if it's "only so serious"?
AI's reads list is awful. Why is NotAnAlt top scum? Why are Cow and PC scum?

Why didn't you ask about you?

Because he had made his reasons for scumreading me earlier clear. Bad reasons, mind you.
Cerberus if you had to place a vote right now who would it be on?