NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[BlackStar]

/confirm

[BlackStar]

VOTE: snarkysnowman For not knowing the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek

[BlackStar]

I hate it when I'm the one who has posted most recently.

Why?

[BlackStar]

"what is your opinion on everyone else that is both on and off your wagon?" is such a garbage question this early into the game.

I really don't agree giving that yo have already formed opinions of atleast 2 (or 3 if you count IAI) players.

Right. I formed opinions on TWO or THREE players. He's asking for my opinion on EVERYONE ELSE. How could I possibly have an opinion on that many people?

Like I can understand asking about others ON the wagon. But on and OFF the wagon?

I agree with you. I think its weird that people are already asking what you think of everyone.

[BlackStar]

@xkfyu No, its too soon for that. He hasn't posted enough for me to make a judgement about him.

@Almost50 Wary of me based off of one post? Just because I was scum in the last game doesn't mean that I'm automatically scum now too. Also, I like how you ignored the post that
JarJar just made about you.

[BlackStar]

There's nothing to take initiative about yet. We're at the beginning of the fourth page. You're grasping at straws for some reason even though we haven't really gotten into the game yet. And even though you say that you're not just assuming that I'm scum, its clear that you are based off of your posts. After 4 posts you're already worried about how I'm playing. How is that not you assuming that I'm scum?

[BlackStar]

There's nothing to take initiative about yet. We're at the beginning of the fourth page. You're grasping at straws for some reason even though we haven't really gotten into the game yet. And even though you say that you're not just assuming that I'm scum, its clear that you are based off of your posts. After 4 posts you're already worried about how I'm playing. How is that not you assuming that I'm scum?

OK, so what if I am? Why does it worry you so much for ONE person to be suspicious of you? And w/o a real case, mind you.

It doesn't worry me. Its just annoying because you're so focused on me that you won't be paying attention to the actual scum.

[BlackStar]

It doesn't worry me. Its just annoying because you're so focused on me that

you won't be paying attention to the actual scum.

He can't BE the actual scum?

I'm kind of getting that feeling from him. He mentioned that he was "tunneling me" until I proved that I'm town. There's no need to be solely fixated on one person this early in the game, so he might be thinking that he can somehow find one flawed thing that I say and use it to make the town mislynch me. Or maybe he just really is paranoid haha.

[BlackStar]

Slight town points for Xkfyu. I like how he responded to Robster trying to get a wagon on me. Scum might worry about how a pile on might look @ this point. He just went "fuck it" and threw a vote down.

Then I don't really like how in the next few posts bebop and bluerose kind of ignore it and try to keep RVS going a bit longer. Bluerose looks a little worse cause bebop @ least acknowledged my wagon.


VOTE: TheBlueRose

Hadn't given it much though due to leaving for a prior engagement that evening. Other then the ones you have already stated, what is your opinion on everyone else that is both on and off your wagon?

I don't like this interaction. Bluerose only asked this question because Jarjar put the pressure on him for ignoring the wagon. And as we already established, it wasn't a good question. Seems like Bluerose was attempting to look more like town.
UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

I'm actually contemplating that he might have a PR role himself,

Are you scum hunting or PR hunting?? Even if what you say is true, you should have never put it out ON AIR.

One big X on the red column.

I'm not hunting anybody. I'm making a decision on whether you're likely to be town or scum. I'm curious to hear from others.

I think that Almost is actually right. We're wasting time just talking about him and instead of focusing on him we should try to look at everyone. I'm not saying to ignore him. I'm just saying that we should widen the search more. Some people have only made 2 or 3 posts after all this time. We need to get everyone more engaged.

[BlackStar]

To answer the question, I think that there's no way that scum would be as obvious about it as Almost seems to be, so he's probably town.

[BlackStar]

What exactly have I done that's scummy?

[BlackStar]

What exactly have I done that's scummy?

what have you done that is townie?

go look at your iso and tell me why i should even consider it null

I get scumread and lynched by the second day in almost every game and every single time (except the last game) I was town. I guess that means I'm doing something wrong as town. But you didn't actually answer my question. How have I been scummy?

[BlackStar]

@ika Okay, you want me to vote again?
VOTE: ika I think its weird that you're already so willing to trust in silverwolf. He hasn't proven himself as town but as soon as he said I seemed off you voted for me. Either you're scum partners or you're just an opportunist scum who used his post as a chance to start a wagon on a townie. Yes, I know that its not a wagon yet but that's what it looks like you're doing.

p-edit: That's how I always am...

[BlackStar]

Stop fighting over trivial shit and work together so that we can figure out who is scum

[BlackStar]

Stop fighting over trivial shit and work together so that we can figure out who is scum

^scum

-_- wtf?

[BlackStar]

I already voted for him.

[BlackStar]

Stop fighting over trivial shit and work together so that we can figure out who is scum

^scum

probably. Should still listen to him.

I think its pretty interesting that people keep saying that i'm scummy and then they don't explain why. Thanks for the second part of that post though

[BlackStar]

Silver, what's the difference between that scumgame of ika's you linked and here?

Answer this

[BlackStar]

This is all written before this SEER claim business. Will analyze all that in a bit.

Xkfyu

- Town. Already stated how I liked his "Fuck it" vote for me. And I see plenty of good scumhunting.

Keysor

- Town. As he pointed out, he's seeing the same things from people that I am. He's also trying to get people to expound on their posts which lines up w/ my read of his town meta

IAI

- Townlean. I like his questioning of Almost and Keysor.

Ricastle

- Townlean. Only a few posts but I like em. No fluff and pretty confrontational. Need more though

Robster

- null. Nothing really scummy from Robster. Maybe a slight townlean but not enough content to make a real read.

Snarky

- null. Basically the same as Robster but leaning slightly scum instead cause his posts have zero content.

Zulfy

- null. Again, No content so no real read.

Nero

- null. I like his point about bebop. I don't like his attitude about Ika. He's never pro-town regardless of alignment yet he's also easy to read?

SilverWolf

- null. Started off scummy (106 feels very opportunistic even though I pretty much agree w/ the points). Then started townreading him cause I like his analysis of people defending ika. Not really crazy about his Zulf vote now.

BeBop

- scumlean. I dont like his soft meta defense of Almost. I've stated why. Also I agree w/ nero that his RVS unvote comment was very LAMIST

BlackStar

-

scumlean. I think there's a chance that 88 was a scumslip.

Though that would make Almost town which is the not the way I'm leaning

ika

- scumlean. His townread on silver doesn't feel very genuine. He's kinda just throwing votes around w/ no real reasoning. He mostly ignored everything w/ Almost. Just lots of fluff in his posts.

Almost50

- scum. I've posted plenty about Almost so not gonna rehash it all here.

Bluerose

- scum.
- Point about ignoring my wagon stands.
- Him using the word "either" in that post points to him not really believing in his reads.
- He's townreading me for pressuring Almost who he is also townreading.
- He says keysors posts don't really look like scumhunting even though keysor and I are posting similar stuff and he's townreading me.
- He questions the Ika/Silver "sorting party" which seems good on the surface. But then they give him a non-answer and he pretty much backs off
Basically his posts seem designed to not get on anyone's bad side

How can you even see that as a scum slip? In the very next post i said that I thought he was scum at that point. the reason I worded post 88 like that is that I was playing devil's advocate.

[BlackStar]

Putting pressure on almost50 or ika is pretty useless in my opinion.

We need to put pressure on a player so as to see not only the reactions of the people around the wagon but the player being pressured as well.
Cuz we're going to get the former no matter what so we might as well go for the most info possible with the latter.

And with ika, who seems like he's gonna have a very hollow playstyle, or almost50, who seems to have a strange way of going about playing this thing, I don't think we're gonna get too much outta either when we pressure them.

Pedit: Robster I'm not really seeing why you have a problem with Keyser's post.

Sounds like BS to me. We should try to put pressure on everybody because that's the easiest way to get scum to slip up. Even if you think we might not get any info from them, we sill have to try because you never know what's gonna happen. It's weird that you want to give them a free pass.

[BlackStar]

How can you even see that as a scum slip?

In the very next post i said that I thought he was scum at that point.

the reason I worded post 88 like that is that I was playing devil's advocate.

huh?

It doesn't worry me. Its just annoying because you're so focused on me that

you won't be paying attention to the actual scum.

He can't BE the actual scum?

I'm kind of getting that feeling from him. He mentioned that he was "tunneling me" until I proved that I'm town. There's no need to be solely fixated on one person this early in the game, so he might be thinking that he can somehow find one flawed thing that I say and use it to make the town mislynch me. Or maybe he just really is paranoid haha.

[BlackStar]

How can you even see that as a scum slip?

In the very next post i said that I thought he was scum at that point.

the reason I worded post 88 like that is that I was playing devil's advocate.

huh?

OK, I actually misread ur response. This actually makes it way worse.

Like how do make this statement to someone that you think is scum:

Its just annoying because you're so focused on me that you won't be paying attention to the actual scum.

...What?

[BlackStar]

Did you not see the post where I said I was playing devil's advocate there?

[BlackStar]

@RC Still sore about the last game? Lol

I think everyone should look at snarkysnowman's ISO. He basically just parked his vote on JarJar and then vanished

[BlackStar]

Did you not see the post where I said I was playing

devil's advocate

there?

[BlackStar]

@RC Still sore about the last game? Lol

I think everyone should look at snarkysnowman's ISO. He basically just parked his vote on JarJar and then vanished

Why would I be sore?

I won, I have nothing against you even if you had won because you were only playing your wincon. If I was being snappy with Persivul for Almost50 you might have a case.

I was joking, man

[BlackStar]

mod I have to replace out due to slot being compermised, I'll pm reasons tonight

@mod, I have to replace as well due to slot now being compromised. I will send you a PM.

What the hell does "the slot has been compromised" even mean?

It means that we were right about them being scum and now they're running away

[BlackStar]

Are they both being played by the same person?

Isn't that against the rules?

[BlackStar]

Did you guys not read 474?

That's still not a good excuse

[BlackStar]

Wait why are they being force-replaced??

It's a mystery. And I'm really interested in knowing the answer.

[BlackStar]

RC is one of the worst town players on the site. You'd do well to ignore him.

Uh....how do you know he's town?

Potential scum slip?

[BlackStar]

@xkfyu He that's what he always does. You get used to it

[BlackStar]

@keyser I only just noticed that your avatar is Amy Santiago lol. You made some good points. The entire situation surrounding Ika and Silverwolf has made me uneasy for a while now.

[BlackStar]

So we're still stuck on the "ika is scum. No he's not" subject.

If Ika is going to be replaced, anmd if we're going to wait for his replacement to post, I think we're better off leaving the subject for now and looking elsewhere where we can do something fruitful now. We can always recall the subject once a replacement is in place.

I find it very counter-productive to stay stuck on one subject/player and halt the game until something in particular occurs. But that's just me, of course.

On one hand I agree with what you're saying. But on the other hand this post feels way too similar to the ones you made earlier where you told everyone to ignore you and save you as a backup lynch.

[BlackStar]

They asked to be replaced. That's what makes the whole thing so weird. Do you think the mod would tell us what happened if we asked?

[BlackStar]

ABR/Silver is not town bro.

How do you know?

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

Interesting. Have you heard of this thing called explaining your reads? I hear it's all the rage these days

[BlackStar]

you didn't ask me to explain, you asked me some nonsensical "how do I know" bullshit.

To me, that's the same thing. But okay, can you explain the reason for your vote?

[BlackStar]

Why is everyone leaving? Even the replacement for replaced.

[BlackStar]

*got

[BlackStar]

VOTE: thebluerose This is based off of a gut feeling. I can't really explain it yet

[BlackStar]

And ABR counter wagon found

Except that's not what's happening at all.

[BlackStar]

I voted for bluerose because something about him feels off. And then RC voted for him because he's RC. I don't know about him, but I don't have any ulterior motives.

[BlackStar]

*Shrugs* So what? I'll look into him some more and figure out what it is

[BlackStar]

I guess the best way to describe it is that you posts give off the feeling that you're trying to appear town instead of you actually being town. Like earlier when we were on like the second page and you asked someone what they thought about everyone. i don't know why, but your post 636 felt manufactured just like that other post that I mentioned which I why I voted for you.And Nero Cain, it's pretty funny that you think this is a counter wagon seeing as how I was saying that Ika and Silverwolf might be scum together. Why would I call silverwolf/ABR scum if I was on his side?

[BlackStar]

Good some substance from you now at least.

I like that. Now going back to my posts while it was an odd question don't you think it helped in regards to getting us out of RVS?

Also @Nero what do you see behind a counter wagon starting up?

@RadiantCowbells what is your input on this so far?

Have you even read your own posts? You've only made one good point so far in this game

[BlackStar]

I think it's interesting that you didn't deny that post 636 was manufactured and insincere.

[BlackStar]

@nero Cain I can alway change my vote when the replacement comes back. And just because I suspect one person of being scum doesn't mean that I should just ignore someone else who gives me bad vibes. This isn't a counter wagon so I really don't know what to tell you.

[BlackStar]

And just because I suspect one person of being scum doesn't mean that I should just ignore someone else who gives me bad vibes. This isn't a counter wagon so I really don't know what to tell you.

ok? I think your reasons for voting bluerose are a joke. There's a growing ABR wagon, it stalls maybe since its an inactive slot/maybe since the game is generally inactive, and a Bluerose wagon pops up so...so I'm not really sure why I shouldn't think this is a CW...especially given that I have a negative reaction to you and slightly to RC.

@Nero No not at all just that I asked if you see it as a counter wagon what do you think BlackStar's motivation behind it is? To go after scum or to try and take pressure off the ABR wagon? Or other I suppose if there is another

I don't really think Black is town. Could this just be poor (IMM atleast) town play? Maybe. IDK, I feel like my position is pretty clear so I don't reallt get why you are asking me about it. *shrugz*

You might think that this is clear and that you're right, but you're not even close to be right so stop making up crazy theories. Just because you don't like the reason I voted for him doesn't mean that I'm not being completely serious about it. And the ABR wagon didn't stall. It's still there and other people can jump on it. You just being melodramatic because it fits your narrative.

[BlackStar]

Obviously not seeing as how I'm not voting for you and you never voted for me.

[BlackStar]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... d_You_Suck


Don't use terms you don't know

[BlackStar]

remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant. remember that newbs are arrogant.

*sigh*

ok.

follow me. Your 662 makes it sound a whole hell of alot like you are scum reading me. Yes? If you aren't then fine I misunderstood but if you are I'd consider you attacking me back just as much OMGUS as some rigid black and white definition.

So what is your read on me and why?

Honestly I just made that last post to piss you off. Glad it worked. I'm not scum reading you right now, I'm just annoyed because you won't even consider that my reason for voting blue rose is legit and that it's not a counter wagon. I was already on the Ika wagon which was 1 vote behind the ABR wagon, so why would I start a new wagon instead of convincing more people to vote for Ika?

[BlackStar]

RC is null to me

[BlackStar]

Hey guys, whats up?

Not much

[BlackStar]

hey I'm just going to publicly declare that I think that RC's a PR.

Good solid town play.

He never said that you were a PR. You just accidentally revealed that. When eh said "town with insecurity" I didn't think he meant a PR until you made this post.

[BlackStar]

I don't have anything I care to say, none of the current conversation interests me, and I only posted because I got prodded. So, hi.

Despite that, my vote on Snarky is certainly a serious one, mainly because his ISO is objectively the worst/scummiest in the game.

I said that he was suspicious a long time ago and nobody cared

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: almost50

[BlackStar]

On that note VOTE: Almost50

Welcome, welcome, welcome. The more the merrier.

For the record (as if anybody cares), the first 3 voters are all town.

Now, I'm flirting with the idea of raising the wager and actually voting myself. You see this BeBop? I'm voting myself, just like I did when I was scum. Come join the party.

That would make me on L-2 though, so need one more vote before RC slams the hammer (he loves to do that regardless of his alignment, so don't hold it against him).

Anyone? Anyone? Ai-nee-one?

What are you doing, man?

[BlackStar]

What are you doing, man?

You're already on the wagon, my friend, and I don't want to send you home empty handed. Just lending you a hand is all.

Getting yourself lynched on d1 on purpose doesn't benefit anyone.

[BlackStar]

(challenging Almost5's acceptance of SnarkySnowman's reads, who Almost50 is scum-reading).

Correction: who Almost50 is

hypothetically

scum-reading.

For the record: SS is 90% town in this game.

What are you basing this on?

[BlackStar]

What are you basing this on?

A little birdie dropped the news to me. NO, WAIT! That was the BeBop bit. SS' was delivered by one of Santa's elves.

Meanwhile; River Tam (of the Firefly show) dreamt YOU were scum, and she's never wrong, you know.

You're being so weird in this game

[BlackStar]

Xk, just a tip: People care more about what you have to say if you aren't saying things all the time. I mean, personally, I'm not even reading yours, JarJar's, or Almost's posts anymore. It's just gotten boring.

I kind of agree with this. You guys are just running around in circles, saying the same things over and over again. Its not getting us anywhere

[BlackStar]

@BlackStar

what's your opinion on Almost50?

I think he's guilty. That's why I voted for him. I know that he doesn't like being scum and he's playing sub-optimally right now, so I'm guessing that he wants to be lynched because he prefers to be town instead of scum.

Xk, just a tip: People care more about what you have to say if you aren't saying things all the time. I mean, personally, I'm not even reading yours, JarJar's, or Almost's posts anymore. It's just gotten boring.

I kind of agree with this. You guys are just running around in circles, saying the same things over and over again. Its not getting us anywhere

You say that as if JarJar and I are the only one's capable of questioning anyone. There's absolutely no reason why there can't be multiple conversations going on in parallel with our's.

Sorry, for some reason seeing so many people replace out of the game has made me feel really disengaged. I actually considered replacing out too, but I think I'll stay.

[BlackStar]

Xyfu, I don't want to be rude.

but.

If you're town.

you need to be quiet.

I'm like 90% certain he's town.

[BlackStar]

^
You've been pretty inactive though

[BlackStar]

So why haven't you been that active? If I got some special role of want to get the most out of it. And if I was town and I had a cool role, I definitely wouldn't have left a bread crumb like that because it would make me a target for scum. So your inactivity and that tease about a special role gives me the feeling that you might be scum.

[BlackStar]

So nobody's even showing interest in inspecting BeBop's roleclaim? I mean, he only joined the site 2 months ago, and searching for his name all over the site gives just 10 pages (about one third of that is in queues) so just like 5 or 6 games to check for his roles in them.

I showed interest in it before you did

[BlackStar]

Man BlackStars ISO is filled w/ so many LAMIST posts.

@xkfyu No, its too soon for that. He hasn't posted enough for me to make a judgement about him.

Its just annoying because you're so focused on me that you won't be paying attention to the actual scum.

I think that Almost is actually right. We're wasting time just talking about him and instead of focusing on him we should try to look at everyone. I'm not saying to ignore him. I'm just saying that we should widen the search more. Some people have only made 2 or 3 posts after all this time. We need to get everyone more engaged.

Stop fighting over trivial shit and work together so that we can figure out who is scum

We should try to put pressure on everybody because that's the easiest way to get scum to slip up. Even if you think we might not get any info from them, we sill have to try because you never know what's gonna happen. It's weird that you want to give them a free pass.

Getting yourself lynched on d1 on purpose doesn't benefit anyone.

I kind of agree with this. You guys are just running around in circles, saying the same things over and over again. Its not getting us anywhere

Almost every one of these just reads like: "Hey guys, I'm totally acting protown. Can't you seeeeee?"

He doesn't talk very much about what he thinks of people.

I don't know what LAMIST means, but I'm gonna say that you're wrong about that. I'm not trying to appear pro town. I am town. Everyone has spent the last like 10 pages talking about Almost and saying the same things over and over again and I've lost interest in what's happening. I like how you didn't quote any of the posts where I did post my thoughts about people. Good job cherry picking to make a point. If you want, I could force myself to reread everything and post my reads on everyone later.

[BlackStar]

Well in that case it definitely doesn't apply. Its interesting that you suddenly became interested in my iso right after Almost and I became curious about Bebop's role. It's almost like you're trying to use misdirection so that we forget all about it.

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

VOTE: ricastle
that last move of yours was pretty scummy.

[BlackStar]

Voting for me after seeing a few people saying that they think I'm scum. Way to jump on the bandwagon. Try to be more subtle next time

[BlackStar]

/confirm

oh fuck 45 pages, well im already in so eh

Welcome

That could be scum distancing but I'm not going to worry about looking the gift horse in the mouth just about yet.

Why would scum when so obvious about it though?

[BlackStar]

*be

[BlackStar]

Firebringer parked his vote on Thebluerose days ago and then disappeared. What do you guys think about that?

[BlackStar]

I think that Ricastle gets lynched today.

Sure

Did you ever give a reason why you thought the ANR sucked and what is your read on that slot?

Are you talking to me or RC?

[BlackStar]

Voting for me after seeing a few people saying that they think I'm scum. Way to jump on the bandwagon. Try to be more subtle next time

Actually, the only thing I picked up from that page was that the Almost case and wagon was being attacked/dissolved substantially, to which you did nothing but unvote. You should take your own advice.

I didn't see any of that. I'm town reading RC and I unvoted because of post 1087.

[BlackStar]

@ricastle
Just noticed that almost all your votes are naked. Why is that?

[BlackStar]

I didn't see any of that. I'm town reading RC and I unvoted because of post 1087.

Yeah, precisely...

@ricastle
Just noticed that almost all your votes are naked. Why is that?

I count three including my one on you. That's not even half, pal.

It's much more than 3 lol. You only gave reasons for like 2 of your votes.

[BlackStar]

Alright, I've read up.

VOTE: SilverWolf

You didn't mention Ika at all and then:

Alright, then. You asked for it.

VOTE: ika

Strong reasons here

Wait why are they being force-replaced??

Do you have anything to say about a single thing in this game?

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Once again, out of the blue

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Not even possible anyway cause it's a Normal.

On that note VOTE: Almost50

[BlackStar]

Sorry, double quoted post 752

[BlackStar]

There was also your vote on me

[BlackStar]

My ika vote had obvious meaning in context, and my vote on Almost and my first Snarky vote cannot be considered in any way naked votes. So as I said, three. Why are you providing evidence that is blatantly wrong?

I said you didn't give reasons. And you didn't. So it's not wrong

[BlackStar]

Occam's razor ain't always right

[BlackStar]

Everyone on your wagon is scum just because they voted for you? Do you realize how silly that sounds?

[BlackStar]

I don't think Ricastle is scum anymore. The only reason he wouldn't try at all to save himself is if he knew that he would flip town.

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

@ricastle
Terrible reads

[BlackStar]

What does that mean?

[BlackStar]

I'm not scum. I can't prove it, but I'm not.

[BlackStar]

BlackStar is so Fn scum.

He doesn't think ricastle is scum cause he's not trying to save himself

But he was fine voting for Almost who VOLUNTEERED to be lynched!

You realize that I unvoted Almost, right?

[BlackStar]

You're not the boss of me. I'm not scum and he's probably not scum so either way it's a mislynch.

[BlackStar]

I think it's interesting that RC has been deadset on lynching Ricastle for an extremely long time.

[BlackStar]

I don't townread Ric for his reactions.

I just feel like him trying to be a pain in my ass is not alignment indicative (though, that's not my only reason for FoSing him here!)

Is your main reason that you're RC?

[BlackStar]

That was right after he said that even if snarky was scum, he still trusted his reads.

[BlackStar]

I'd support a BlackStar lynch.

You've got the wrong guy

[BlackStar]

That was right after he said that even if snarky was scum, he still trusted his reads.

What's your read of Almost right now?

Null

@some random Mafia player
What have you done for the town? Lol

[BlackStar]

No, I just expect you to not say things like that when you haven't done anything yourself. And the person you replaced wasn't helpful either

[BlackStar]

Firebringer is my top scum read followed by pisskop

[BlackStar]

VOTE: pisskop

[BlackStar]

Yes, the claim by the lurker who replaced the most suspicious person in the game. The only reason you have to lurk is if you have something to hide. Most of us who are fairly active right now are probably town. We should be trying to bring out the scum who think they can hide in the shadows and win without doing anything.

[BlackStar]

I havent responded cuz I havent been active.

How is that a good excuse?

[BlackStar]

That was right after he said that even if snarky was scum, he still trusted his reads.

What's your read of Almost right now?

Null

So then what happened between you voting for him and now that's made u change ur read?

Other people started acting more suspicious than him

[BlackStar]

nopenopenopenope

RICASTLE TODAY END STORY.

we can look at jarar 2mrw

Why aren't you willing to consider anyone else?

[BlackStar]

Forget about town sentiment for a second. You've been saying that we have to lynch Ricastle and it can't be anyone else. Why do you feel that way?

[BlackStar]

Yeah. If say 4 people act very suspiciously and the person who I originally thought was scummy isn't doing anything suspicious anymore, chances are high that one of those new people is more likely to be scum

[BlackStar]

If you hammer, you're scum

[BlackStar]

What does that mean?

[BlackStar]

I'm not , so I won't

[BlackStar]

Ugh... Fine. But I doubt that Ricastle is scum. Let's agree to lynch RC if Ricastle is town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ricastle
Hammered

[BlackStar]

VOTE: radiantcowbells You got an innocent townie killed

[BlackStar]

^+1 for lazy entrance.

Yeah, it so lazy for me to follow through with what I said right before Ricastle was lynched.

[BlackStar]

@zulfy
Just read everything you posted links to. Do you have a point you're trying to make? Because you just said "I like this" and "I don't like this" without taking hard stances against or for anyone.

[BlackStar]

Don't blame me for the fact that Ricastle refused to respond to my push.

The fact tag the refused to respond made it obvious that he would flip town. I even said that. The only reason he wouldn't care about getting lynched is if he knew that he was town

[BlackStar]

How's this: almost50 is not getting lynched.

Better than nothing

vote: blackstar

?

[BlackStar]

It's good logic. He self voted and asked me to hammer him. Why would scum do that? If you use your brain, the logical conclusion is that he would flip town and he wanted to show us that the people pushing his lynch (like you) were most likely scum.

[BlackStar]

erm I trust fire.

Vote with me on Blue Rose!!!

vote: blue rose

I meant to do that. I suspect Black as scum. Crossed wires.

So you suspect someone is scum, but you're going to vote for someone else just because Firebringer said so? Lol what?

[BlackStar]

...I'm saying that it doesn't make sense

[BlackStar]

Or if I trust Fire?

Why?

[BlackStar]

Okay. Fire, am I being dense?

No, I have a guilty on Blue Rose.
The rest of these guys are stupid.

Hes conftown. gdi you guys cant be this dense.

[BlackStar]

I didn't quote them out of order on purpose

[BlackStar]

Because the condescending nature of their posts annoyed me

[BlackStar]

How would that suggest that I'm scum? Paying attention to what Ricastle was saying and drawing the obvious conclusion doesn't make me scum. And make get me to talk about what?

[BlackStar]

I guess it would be pretty dumb for scum to pretend to be seer right now. Causing a mislynch today would make them everybody's top lynch on d3. So Firebringer is probably telling the truth

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thebluerose

[BlackStar]

^
Exactly

[BlackStar]

Maybe he wanted town points for bussing his scum partner

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Bebop rhubarbpie this guy needs to talk more

[BlackStar]

I think I'm still voting BlackStar but I need some time.

Time for what?

[BlackStar]

Oh so as it happens JJD's arguments were basically exclusively focused on Blackstar, and as it happens he's my main scumread anyway.

I sincerely doubt that JJD would have been killed to frame BlackStar over making a seer kill, so...

VOTE: Blackstar

You were already voting me. And the scum don't need to frame me because you've been convinced this entire time that I'm scum even though I'm not

[BlackStar]

Can please stop this +1 nonsense?

[BlackStar]

*you

[BlackStar]

You really want pisskop dead, and now suddenly you want zulfy dead because of their point system?

You're mixing Nero's posts with BS'; I think.

TBF I don't have a TR on Zulfy.

What is your read on him?

nullish-scum, mostly scum.

If you shared a scum read on Zulfy with me what was the point of calling me out for willing to lynch Zulfy?

I think its odd how you suddenly want him lynched over zulfy

You mean over pisskop

[BlackStar]

That first quote is an accident

[BlackStar]

But you should've stayed intent and then waited until he claimed or tried to defend himself. We might have learned something that could help us find his partners

[BlackStar]

BlackStar is so generic

I'm one of a kind, bro. Go check out my first game on here lol

[BlackStar]

Isos help you to examine the way somebody plays closer and it helps you to notice things that you might have missed the first time around. I didn't notice srmp ignoring questions either though

[BlackStar]

What happened to everyone saying they were going to wagon me today?

Why did you change your minds overnight?

What're you even talking about? I'm the only one who's said that we should do that and nobody else seems interested in that

[BlackStar]

If the ogre is motherless, how did it come into existence? Did it just spontaneously come into being?

[BlackStar]

You seem to be daring us to lynch you as if you believe it could never happen, so I want to prove you wrong

UNVOTE:
VOTE: radiantcowbells

[BlackStar]

I understand. Scum partners have to stick together, right?

[BlackStar]

This wagon against me is the laziest thing I've ever seen lol. I wonder how the people on it would backpedal if I actually got lynched

[BlackStar]

I also think it's weird that nobody has talked about Ricastle's death like at all. He was willing to self vote in order to show us that the people pushing for his death were bad. But nobody seems to care. None of you wanted to question those people. It's ridiculously stupid. And now RC is going to have his (horribly wrong) way once again.

[BlackStar]

I'm not going with the tide at all. And you don't know my scum play because I don't have any scum meta. Out all 6 (or is it 7?) games that I've played, I've only been scum once. I've been town every other time and everyone always thinks I'm scum. How am I not giving my perspective if I'm asking you all to pay more attention to everyone who voted for Ricastle. Nobody ever listens to me so what the point of even making a case? If anything, you're the one who's following the crowd. And are you seriously telling me rant snarky' slats post wasn't grimy as hell? "I haven't paid attention to Blackstar but I'll vote him anyway because everyone else did". Like wtf? And like I said before, Zulfy does his plus one bs without taking hard stances against anyone. It's pointless and designed to make him look like he cares without actually doing anything

[BlackStar]

Wow lol, Masquerade's reason for voting Ricastle was that he just "wanted the day to end". Somebody said earlier that nobody in this game is acting like ten and I can see what they mean

[BlackStar]

And it looks like Zulfy never gave a reason and just voted for him

[BlackStar]

RC's main reason for wanting to lynch Ricastle was that he wasn't fighting back. Do you see how dumb that is? Ricastle kept saying rant we'd all see the truth when he flipped and that's when I unvoted and tried to get all of you to do that but one of said I was scummy for saying that it was obvious he was town. It's clearly muh more scummy gang RC was so adamant about getting him lynched for such a weird and flimsily reason

[BlackStar]

Hammer, Black. The only way we're going to get an alternate lynch at this rate is if the entirety of the town not on my wagon consolidates on Piss/Almost; that or a NL. So you judge for yourself how likely that is to happen in less than a week the way things are going.

Meanwhile, my wagon is almost certainly scum-infested, and will be prime VCA fuel if it goes through as it is.

It is potentially even entirely pro-town to hammer if it results in focused pressure on those players.

Nobody but me ever acknowledged this. I want to know the reason why

[BlackStar]

@almost Well those three had the most obviously horrible votes, so yeah I'd be fine with lynching any of them. I'm null on you and have a scum lean on pisskop



@pisskop I've been talking about it this entire time... Don't know what game you've been watching, bro

[BlackStar]

It's special because nobody gave a shot about the mislynch. They just immediately moved on and never acknowledged it

[BlackStar]

Oh yeah. I'm null on him too

[BlackStar]

So you're basically admitting that you're not paying attention to the game at all? Let me quote this again for the second time

Hammer, Black. The only way we're going to get an alternate lynch at this rate is if the entirety of the town not on my wagon consolidates on Piss/Almost; that or a NL. So you judge for yourself how likely that is to happen in less than a week the way things are going.

Meanwhile, my wagon is almost certainly scum-infested, and will be prime VCA fuel if it goes through as it is. It is potentially even entirely pro-town to hammer if it results in focused pressure on those players.

He asked me to do it so I did. He and I thought that this would make it obvious that the push against him was probably by scum. And that post wasn't me reluctant to vote him. That was me wanting to show him that he's not invincible. But apparently everything I say is scummy, so that was an invitation for more people to join the wagon on me

[BlackStar]

But you're acting like my contradiction ankles me scum. If I was scum, it would be idiotic to contradict myself so soon after making a post like that. I only did it because it's what Ricastle wanted . The fact that I was willing to hammer after saying that shows that I am town

[BlackStar]

Thanks for giving scum an open invitation to join my wagon

[BlackStar]

I don't know who is and isn't scum. I don't trust anyone

[BlackStar]

Y golden rod?

This

Thanks for giving scum an open invitation to join my wagon

seems like your trying to get people to not vote you by saying they are scum for taking the "open invitation"

I was annoyed by almost's post but what you said is also true

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: almost50

Answer SMRP's questions

[BlackStar]

Doesn't that make this mylo?

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: almost50

Answer SMRP's questions

Why do you continuously call the pisskop slot scum but NEVER vote it?

iI voted almost to motivate him to answer the questions. He still hasn't. Also, I realized that since he's leading my wagon now he's probably not town. As for pisskop, a vote on him would do nothing just like my RC vote did nothing. I'm not going to vote for someone if nothing will come of it

[BlackStar]

Everyone please individually lay out your case against me.

[BlackStar]

@nero Definitely RC. He slunk off into the shadows after he was satisfied about the wagon on me. Not to mention that this is going to be the second mislynch he's caused


@almost i asked you all to lay out your cases against me.

P-edit: oh, RC is back now lol. Too funny

[BlackStar]

I kinda just think 50 is an arrogant newb but I was wrong about Blue Rose so *shrug*

First: you never answered me: WHY do you read these 4 players as scum.

Second: What gives you the impression I'm arrogant?

You said you're 99% certain I'm scum. But you're 100% wrong, so that's definitely arrogance

[BlackStar]

@SRMP: Now this is very odd. You sound like you're trying to give it all you've got to derail the wagon on BS, and I have to wonder why is that?

Now I made it abundantly clear that you & him are my top scum reads and preferred lynches, and you practically left no room for me to reconsider it. Why? Bc let's ASSUME I'm wrong about you.. WHY are you defending him? Ok, let's assume I'm wrong about him. Again, why are you defending him? OK.. let's assume I'm wrong about BOTH of you... now WHY are you defending him??

Note: If I'm wrong about either/both this means either/both are town, so ...??

Seriously, my friend.. I'm like 99% sure now that you're both scum.

Im not defending him, I just told you I scumread him.

and why townread SS off of 1 game meta?

The same reason he scumread me based off of 1 game meta

[BlackStar]

Dude... The one game where I was town was the on game where I wasn't extremely defensive and trying hard to survive. I haven't voted with the town. I've been doing my own thing the whole time. I did lay cases, so please stop making things up to make a point

[BlackStar]

I meant one game where I was scum

[BlackStar]

No I set it up so that people would be hesitant to vote because they would afraid of being called scum

[BlackStar]

When I flip town, what type of excuses will you make for it?

[BlackStar]

To survive? why would I want to die

[BlackStar]

Because I am town and he's pushing hard for my death. Not that hard to follow

Pedit: I can't scum hunt because of the nonstop barrage against me

[BlackStar]

You're not looking at all of my votes, so yes you are still making it up

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Blackstar

Yeah I'm back on this being scum.

Oh, the guy with the terrible opportunist votes is making another terrible opportunist vote. Didn't see that coming

[BlackStar]

Oh, that was from the other game. Weird, I thought we were talking about this game almost

[BlackStar]

And I voted forced essay second that time, unvoted and then revoted

[BlackStar]

*Voted Wednesday

[BlackStar]

Who died on day 1 here?

[BlackStar]

This is a pretty bad case by the way

[BlackStar]

Oh yeah, Ricastle. Not the state at all because he asked me to vote him

[BlackStar]

*same

[BlackStar]

You don't want to consider that I could've been framed?

[BlackStar]

It's weird that your using the meta from that scum game but ignoring the fact that in that game I always stopped posting for like the entire day when people started getting suspicious of me. I'm still here answering everything you ask even though my answers "make me seem scummy". Why would I stick around and keep "incriminating myself"?

[BlackStar]

The only obv town is xkfyu. Everyone else is playing weirdly

[BlackStar]

Well I'm the first half of the game you have me bad vibes and in the second half you felt more like town. Some I'm not sure whether you're good or bad

[BlackStar]

That's not what happened last time lol

[BlackStar]

Almost, pisskop and SMRP were all on Ricastle's wagon too. Interesting...

[BlackStar]

No, I just looked at Ricastle's again to compare the votes. I didn't look at thebluerose's. I guess I could do that now

[BlackStar]

So Firebringer said we were dumb for not believing he was the seer. You guys were immediately willing to believe him after that and voted tbr. I was kind of skeptical but chose to listen to him anyway. I'm just wondering why him saying we were dumb was what made all of you suddenly trust him.

[BlackStar]

eff off blackstar.

we lynch PK today.

[BlackStar]

lol @ black taking the least tangent post about me rc has made.

Totes not cherrypicked

A better post to quote would be the one where you called me a good seer cheeck

Yeah, it wasn't

[BlackStar]

Because I am town and he's pushing hard for my death. Not that hard to follow

Pedit: I can't scum hunt because of the nonstop barrage against me

so you care more about surviving then finding scum? But dont you win if you find scum?

Can you stop putting words in my mouth? At the time of that post people were making new posts against me like every minute. How could I scum hunt if every time I replied to one post there was another one in its place asking me something?

[BlackStar]

Everyone please individually lay out your case against me.

So far Almost is the only one who has attempted to do this. If I'm such obvious scum, you guys shouldn't have trouble laying out a solid case, right? Just saying that I need to scum hunt more isn't a case

[BlackStar]

Classes are starting so I probably won't be able to post until around 4:00 EST

[BlackStar]

Thanks for giving scum an open invitation to join my wagon

interesting

Oh, the guy with the terrible opportunist votes is making another terrible opportunist vote. Didn't see that coming

No I set it up so that people would be hesitant to vote because they would afraid of being called scum

So you were going to call anyone who joined your wagon scum, just for joining your wagon?

quote="In post 1608, BlackStar"]

VOTE: Blackstar

Yeah I'm back on this being scum.

VOTE: Blackstar

Yeah I'm back on this being scum.

Oh, the guy with the terrible opportunist votes is making another terrible opportunist vote. Didn't see that coming

the answer seems to be yes, as he clearly does it here.[/quote]

Thanks for giving scum an open invitation to join my wagon

this seems to say that whoever votes is opportunistic scum attempting to supposedly cause a mislynch. So this post

VOTE: Blackstar

Yeah I'm back on this being scum.

Oh, the guy with the terrible opportunist votes is making another terrible opportunist vote. Didn't see that coming

allowed him to paint SS as "opportunistic scum"

God, you're annoying. No, I wasn't trying to just Calle everyone who voted me scum. I was trying to get people to be reluctant to vote for me. That's it. I called snarky opportunistic because he was being opportunistic. Are you ever going to move on and actually make a good point?

[BlackStar]

Ok, but that doesent excuse calling votes on you opportunistic.

let me correct this:

it doesent excuse calling votes opportunistic

before they are casted.

He did indeed do this.

No, I didn't.

[BlackStar]

Okay, since nobody wants to actually present a solid list of reasons for why they believe I'm scum, I'm going to mostly ignore you now and go over everyone's isos.

[BlackStar]

vote: blackstar

FOS at you snowman

Okay, so day had just started, RC voted me and then not long after pisskop made his post. You never mentioned me before so where did this come from? And if you suspected snarky then why didn't you vote for him?

[BlackStar]

* day 3

vote: blackstar

FOS at you snowman

Looks like pisskop has contributed basically nothing. Didn't notice that before

[BlackStar]

Didn't mean to quote that again

[BlackStar]

After all this time, golden robster only has 35 posts? If that's not lurking I don't know what is.

[BlackStar]

When Golden Robster is here, he asks some decent questions. So inactivity + decent questioning= null read.
Why haven't you posted that much?

[BlackStar]

Thats just how it is Nero, no town reads. Everyone null or scumlean.

What deal?

so you think nobody is town?

+1

Next post will be scoreboard.*

*(No guarantee)

Whatever happened to this scoreboard that you were taking about?