NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

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VOTE: Keyser Söze

For messing with the natural order.

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VOTE: Almost50

64 is bad shit.

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Happy with my vote where it is.

The idea that ika requires pressure to be sorted is nonsensical. His alignment becomes glaringly obvious as the game goes on regardless.

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@JarJar: So you won't let go even after I role claimed. This makes you either scum or a very misguided town who will not be too beneficial to town on the long run.

You claimed VT, you buffoon. This reads like you honestly expected your claim to relieve pressure from you, nay, that you made that post for such an intention.

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Silver, when did this hydra of yours occur, and what exactly was the nature of Ika's play in that game? Unless I am provided evidence to the contrary, I will consider the statement I made nothing short of an objective fact.

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oh i forgot about that i actualy wanted riscatlse to give a read on em right now it is null overall

Null. You're more cheerful than I've ever seen you, which is obviously due to the presence of Silver, which then leads me to question wether your activity means anything in regards to your alignment. The one thing I want here is what I said before - detailed scum meta of you from Silver. I'm not at all willing to trust her or you until I'm able to see what she's seeing.

Also VOTE: Ricastle I want to hear from him and for him to answer my question.

Your question was boring, also I never noticed it until now - probably because it was boring.

I'll get to ISOing and making reads later. This game kicked off without me so I'm a little lost at the moment, and don't have much to say other than what I have already.

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Alright, I've read up.

VOTE: SilverWolf

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Not in that context, no. His goal in that post was to explain his actions and intentions, with his identity as a VT being a major part of that. The claim in itself was mostly unimportant, and had the post been nothing but a VT claim then he would most likely be close to L-1 right about now.

VT is the most worthless claim of all time. Nothing should be made out of it alone. One that acts as if it means anything on its own is nothing more than a fool as far as I'm concerned. And one that acts as if they deserve leeway due to it is someone I will not be letting out of my sight.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64698 Scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64575 Town

Please be careful assuming you know someone's alignment based on meta as people can manipulate their meta.

Oh, so this post did happen.

I don't know what you were trying to prove here, 'cause all this shows is that ika's behaviour here matches his recorded scum meta with you. That'll be a scumread for him too then I think.

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Alright, then. You asked for it.

VOTE: ika

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oh nose what shall i ever do...

oh ya ill keep voting yoru scum butt ass

By all means, go ahead. It'll only make you look worse in the long run.

You're the one OMGUSing here. Excessively transparently, might I add. You don't have an answer to my perfectly reasonable point so you're simply hiding behind experience to make it seem as if my daring to stand against an active ika is scummy. The inclusion of Nero is laughable as well.

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I'm actually voting ika now.

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He didn't hint it. He made it abundantly clear. The entire reason he acted the way he did, according to him, was bevause he was a VT who wanted to divert attention from potential PRs by acting scummy/weird. (Which sounds like complete BS when you say it like that, might I add).

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Dat a joke? No self-respecting investigative outs themselves at L-7 or whatever he's at.

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so when i flip seer what then?

Are you implying that your play would be anything other than terrible in that scenario?

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Ok, so maybe "hinted at" was the wrong phrase. His play was very transparent though, to anyone who was paying attention. I picked up what he was doing as soon as I read Post 78, and he didn't come out and hard claim VT until Post 118. So, do you think that a scum Almost50 would have been keen on making such a play?

Also, I disagree with what you think is "complete BS." Drawing attention to yourself, instead of town PRs, is exactly what a VT should be doing. Now, I will grant you that he did a pretty poor job of it, and he should have been trying to draw the attention of a NK, not necessarily a D1 lynch, but I believe his motivation was genuine.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to have thought of such a backup plan by that time. The pressure was already piling on him at that point, so there's no indication that he didn't strategise that in the midst of panic.

VTs are what can be considered the fodder of Mafia; however, no town player should ever be considered fodder unless there is a very good reason otherwise. There is no benefit to lynching a VT over a PR - town is still losing a member regardless, and that is what primarily matters at the end of the day. Besides, such a move is completely pointless if one does not know who the PRs they should be redirecting attention from are!

It's also an easy copout for scum who knows they've fucked up on an indefensible level. "Yeah, I know everything I've done has been really scummy, but that was actually all part of my plan! Totes!"

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The case, o ika, is right here. I know you saw it so don't waste your time pretending you didn't.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64698 Scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64575 Town

Please be careful assuming you know someone's alignment based on meta as people can manipulate their meta.

Oh, so this post did happen.

I don't know what you were trying to prove here, 'cause all this shows is that ika's behaviour here matches his recorded scum meta with you. That'll be a scumread for him too then I think.

Perhaps one of you wolves would care to address this glaring problem now?

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YOU ALL STOP THIS TILL I CAN READ.

On with the arguments, everyone!

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Silver, obviously.

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Dayvig: BlackStar

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Silver, what's the difference between that scumgame of ika's you linked and here?

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I beg your pardon?? So lynching a VT is the same lynching the town doctor/seer/tracker in this game, Or -generally speaking- lynching the cop/town vig/JOAT .. etc.??? Is that what you're saying???

I'm saying that a town lynch is bad period. Needlessly sacrificing VTs is as illogical as needlessly sacrificing pawns in chess.

Pedit: Almost, how do you know you aren't redirecting attention away from scum? Did that concept ever come into your consideration?

Silver, ika reached out to you a ton in that scumgame. He leaned heavily on you throughout its entirety. What tells have you spotted specifically?

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We were in a hydra together. So of course he did. Check Open 613 and see the first thing he did was vote me and seek me out. He was town.

He did not focus his play around you

anywhere near

as much as here. It's not even comparable. If a reach of this level is the only thing you're able to answer with, then get ready to say goodbye to your pal.

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You and Silverwolf have some mystical town read on each other that somehow neither of you can really explain, even though none of your "sit downs" have had any substance.

THIS, very much so. I believe ika has asked at least three times now to do a sorting session with Silver, with none of those having resulted in anything being done.

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Ok, your second paragraph is complete nonsense, especially in D1, like we are. Unfortunately though, this debate isn't going anywhere, and we're just going end up going around in circles. So, I suggest we shelve this disagreement for now, since there are much more important matters to discuss that need take precedence.

Fine by me, pal. You just go on your jolly old way, now, and convince yourself that you were right.

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What the hell does "the slot has been compromised" even mean?

"We're fucked and would rather spare the embarrassment"

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they prob told each other their roles.

Wait...does this not assume they are both town?

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wtf is this shit?

Scum telling eachother their roles is not gamebreaking, and I really can't see this as a scum & town deal.

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i mean, ok sure. I'm willing to buy the "atleast 1 is town" thing but you came in and tried to throw shade my way and that doesn't seem real town to me.

I call it how I see it, and you aren't invincible just because I was with you against ika & Silver. Forgetting that scum would know each others' roles already without needing to tell each other doesn't seem like real town to me, either.

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What the hell is going on? Is this the kind of shit that I should be expecting to deal with if i continue playing on this site?

Well, this is a first for me, I'll say that!

VOTE: ika

Is this based on anything? Such as why you think ika & Silver got force replaced?

Wait why are they being force-replaced??

Do you have anything to say about a single thing in this game?

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

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RC is one of the worst town players on the site. You'd do well to ignore him.

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He's tolerable as scum. That already went to pot with his first post.

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If you'd played with him before, you'd know. That's all I can say. Feel free to look up some of his past games with me.

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You're looking at it too meticulously. I didn't look at that post and consciously decide to give him a townread. My read was developing subconsciously since that post because that's how I know for a fact he acts as town. That's all there is to it.

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So, now you're claiming that it was some kind of elaborate development over the span of multiple posts...

Ok fine. What's the major difference between the way he's playing in this game, and the way he plays as scum?

I didn't say anything about how I developed the read until right now, pal. I simply said that his town-indicative behaviour was evident starting from his first post.

And on the matter of what that behaviour is - self-centeredness, arrogance, obnoxiousness, hubris, etc. He's more refined as scum.

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Sure he could, if he wanted to die.

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What shade are you even talking about? Like do you really mean RC's telling everyone to slow down? While I didn't see a good enough reason to just stop everything, I don't see why that is casting shade against you. Unless I missed something? But if not I don't get why you'd think that is scummy. Like "Oh no I must kill Ika now or else. Why are you stopping me?"

He's referring to 451.

This.

I don't think you'd be so sure, or so quick to rule out the possibility of them both being town, as town here. I get the impression that you knew this would be a face-off as soon as you got your PM.

VOTE: ABR

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NOTICE ME SENPAI

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Ric.

Are you seriously still hung up on that?

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no

Then what?

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What the hell...why?

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VOTE: SnarkySnowman

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I don't have anything I care to say, none of the current conversation interests me, and I only posted because I got prodded. So, hi.

Despite that, my vote on Snarky is certainly a serious one, mainly because his ISO is objectively the worst/scummiest in the game.

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I mean, I could keep obnoxiously picking holes in Xkfyu's posts, but that would definitely become very annoying very fast for the both of us.

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Go for it. It won't annoy me in the slightest. I do love a good debate.

There'd be no point, anyway, because I'm townreading you. And I think the last thing this thread needs is utterly useless clog.

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You don't think you could be wrong?

What if you do pick apart my posts, and you hit on something that leads to the lynch of a scum me? That wouldn't be useless would it?

Do you think I could be wrong?

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I do - I read you as scum now. Be cooperative and scumhunt. Right now you don't seem very town-motivated.

You're a pretty passive guy, eh?

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Almost has to be the Jester. He has to be. I can't really be seeing this...

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Not even possible anyway cause it's a Normal.

On that note VOTE: Almost50

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Zzz. We need a flip.

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Xk, just a tip: People care more about what you have to say if you aren't saying things all the time. I mean, personally, I'm not even reading yours, JarJar's, or Almost's posts anymore. It's just gotten boring.

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I've played with Town!Ricastle and he'd be fighting me.
Not just lying down like this.

I've been trying very hard to completely ignore you up to now, because when we argue it doesn't work out well for anyone. I'm already townreading you so I have nothing to gain from doing so either. So you can piss off if that's honestly what you're looking for.

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VOTE: BlackStar

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that he's ignoring all the pressure on him but I still think Piss is a better lynch.

There is no pressure. RC doesn't count as pressure.

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Voting for me after seeing a few people saying that they think I'm scum. Way to jump on the bandwagon. Try to be more subtle next time

Actually, the only thing I picked up from that page was that the Almost case and wagon was being attacked/dissolved substantially, to which you did nothing but unvote. You should take your own advice.

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I didn't see any of that. I'm town reading RC and I unvoted because of post 1087.

Yeah, precisely...

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Just noticed that almost all your votes are naked. Why is that?

I count three including my one on you. That's not even half, pal.

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Okay, now you're lying.

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My ika vote had obvious meaning in context, and my vote on Almost and my first Snarky vote cannot be considered in any way naked votes. So as I said, three. Why are you providing evidence that is blatantly wrong?

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One more for the record books, then, eh?

VOTE: Almost50

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If anything, at this point, I'm abstaining from engaging purely to not let you get your way.

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Besides, there's nothing to fight against. Literally nothing. No case beyond that I won't fight the pressure on me which originated from thin air. If you can't see the problem with such a wagon reaching L-2 then you are beyond hope as far as I'm concerned

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You'll lose even more credibility, for one (if that's even possible).

Of course that's a great outcome for me in the long run, so why should I do anything to prevent its occurrence?

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You're the one pushing the lynch on an innocent guy.

I have active spells and apathetic spells. That's just how it is with me. This is an instance of the latter. If you want content from me, cease this wagon, wait and it will come. That's all there is to it.

For a towngame of mine that exhibits this see Zodiac Mafia 2

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62355

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@Ricastle, do u think RC is scum? How about the rest of ur wagon?

No, he's town. Anyone else on the wagon is a decent to good pick for scum

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Everyone on your wagon is scum just because they voted for you? Do you realize how silly that sounds?

It's just a coincidence.

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Ricastle (7) - TheBlueRose, Radiant Cowbells, Almost50, pisskop, Blackstar, Masquerade, Zulfy

Who would you say were scum on your wagon?

Blackstar? Almost?

Those two'd be at the top of the list, yeah.

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LMAO

Flashwagon anyone?

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Why do you bend so easily to resistance?

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All you're doing is just making yourself an easy target for scum to make a case on you that no one will question, even after we find out it was a mislynch.

There is no case. That's the point.

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VOTE: BlackStar

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Jesus fucking christ. There is no way a scum lynch is coming out of this day.

You know what, fuck it.

VOTE: Ricastle

Put the information from my lynch to good use. That's gonna be more or less the only way to get this town back in order.

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Hammer, Black. The only way we're going to get an alternate lynch at this rate is if the entirety of the town not on my wagon consolidates on Piss/Almost; that or a NL. So you judge for yourself how likely that is to happen in less than a week the way things are going.

Meanwhile, my wagon is almost certainly scum-infested, and will be prime VCA fuel if it goes through as it is. It is potentially even entirely pro-town to hammer if it results in focused pressure on those players.