Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

[Titus]

@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

[Firebringer]

@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

I lead this town Titus!
And I have to figure out if you are scum, you are at null right now.

[Something_Smart]

Keep reading please.

I don't like this. Obviously he's going to keep reading. It seems over-anxious to avoid being scumread.

[SirCakez]

I need Fire to finish reading up before I can give him a solid read.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Keep reading please.

I don't like this. Obviously he's going to keep reading. It seems over-anxious to avoid being scumread.

His posts "seem" to be very convenient for your purposes to you. They also seem a lot different to you than they do to me.

[AlwaysInnocent]

@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

I lead this town Titus!
And I have to figure out if you are scum, you are at null right now.

Don't you feel that something is off about Titus?

[Yonom]

Keep reading please.

I don't like this. Obviously he's going to keep reading. It seems over-anxious to avoid being scumread.

I don't see scum motivation in SirCakez's post. A mislynch is also bad for town, he is defending himself. I would totally behave in the exact same way if Fire voted for me like that.

I see this as an attempt to redirect our attention towards SirC and away from you. Which I would be fine with if your reasoning wasn't completely off. Unfortunately for you, your read is completely bullshit and I clearly see scum motivation.

uh yeah, I know what correct logic is
the post quoted is scumlogic
I used it because I was scum.

I believe that's the case here as well. Thanks for the quote because I couldn't put it in words better.

Droog join us on SS already.

As advisor to the town leader I highly advise that you place your vote on SS and proceed to push in that direction.

Why are you two so eager to get others on SS's wagon halfway through the day?

Don't you feel that something is off about Titus?

Like what?

[SirCakez]

I want droog to put his vote down because he's been dancing around it for a while now but hasn't actually put the vote down.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I want droog to put his vote down because he's been dancing around it for a while now but hasn't actually put the vote down.

Really? He hasn't even voted yet?

[SirCakez]

I meant on SS. The only vote he's placed so far was on me and he unvoted a while ago.

[Yonom]

I want droog to put his vote down because he's been dancing around it for a while now but hasn't actually put the vote down.

I see why that can be frustrating. However, I also wish to hear a bit more from Fire and NAA's replacement. From the looks of it, pistachi0n is getting replaced too. :/ Analyzing people's behavior is the only way we can progress as town, so I hope you don't wish to end the day this early.

In the case droog / fire are scum, your calls would give them easy explanation for hammering the votes. This hasn't happened so SS is probably scum and we won't learn anything about droog's and fire's reactions. But should SS turn out to be town after all (although it's hard to believe at this point), I'd have an easier time believing that droog and fire are not scum either.

[Titus]

Yeah SirCakes is town.

Hey, at least a lot of scum had to jump on SirCakes to save SS.

[Titus]

@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

I lead this town Titus!
And I have to figure out if you are scum, you are at null right now.

Hug me. You have no teeth to bite me with.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Yay, replacements. I still don't understand how easy people find it to be replaced. I have yet to be replaced in a game (and this includes my complete experience on other sites).

Sometimes it seems that people take replacements too lightly. It is really annoying if people just do it because it is considered "normal" and they just have a little less time (I know that sometimes it cannot be helped; I am completely aware of this). It fucks up a game. Sometimes you end up playing a completely different game with completely different people because of the replacements.

Is it so much to ask for a game without any replacements, or at most one?

</end_rant>

[Yonom]

I'm cool with it if people ASKED to be replaced, real life stuff can sometimes take over. What really sucks is when people just leave and let their prod timer time out, that really wastes our time. :/ Viable strategy if someone is scum, mind you.

[Cerberus v666]

No, it is not. That is strategically replacing out. It is not acceptable. Not saying people don't do it, I don't know if anyone has but I do know it's against the rules and ban worthy.

This is a useless conversation that does nothing to find scum though.

[Cerberus v666]

Titus, how have your reads changed since like page 2 when you thought you had 2 scum caught? Then later, you listed 3 as scum. Do you feel the same about those slots (please remind me which ones they were, I can't check your iso right now).

[AlwaysInnocent]

VOTE: Titus

[Drixx]

Prodding Pistachi0n.

Viva La Gloria replaces NotAnAlt.

As a note, when replacing someone who doesn't pick up their role PM, I edit the message in the outbox so that said person no longer actually has a role PM. In this case, we have a player who originally signed up and then got busy replacing back in. I have confirmed that they did not see their original role PM and therefore they only have knowledge of the slot they are replacing into. If you have any questions, please drop me a PM. ~Drixx

[SirCakez]

AI's Titus tunnel is very bad.
However Titus do you still think the Rhazh slot is scum?

[Viva La Gloria]

Just finishing catching up.

I think AI has something here actually, I don't like either of the major wagons and I find Titus's play to have a ton of weird inconsistencies.

Are you townread her, Sircakez?

[Viva La Gloria]

@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

I lead this town Titus!
And I have to figure out if you are scum, you are at null right now.

Hug me. You have no teeth to bite me with.

Yeah SirCakes is town.

Hey, at least a lot of scum had to jump on SirCakes to save SS.

@EE, Nope.

My gut will tell me how to read Firebringer.

Hey, you wanna play pin the tail on the scums Firebringer?

i suspect scum in one of yonm/ss

i am starting to understand the ss scum perspective
could be a case of scum feeling upset about
being caught for the wrong reasons

otoh im not that concerned about it
c666 is dumb but not scummy
i retract my earlier doubts

ss and cake arent together though
and cake has doen a good enough job responding that for now
VOTE: unvote

im going to start hunting for a new target

This just pinged. Cerb dumb? Really? Why?

Lots of SS is scum, doesn't vote but looks for a new target.

@SS, I wan one from you.

@Titus: I'd put you or anyone else as town as soon as I'd feel confident about it. I haven't been feeling this way about you yet for the reason i already explained and I hope you can understand that. I don't fear you, you could very likely be town and I'd be glad if this was the case, but I'll make up my mind on you later when i have more confidence. I haven't heared anyone analyse your posts too much yet, so maybe the more experienced players could help me out here.

@SS: thanks for the reply. Ill post my thoughts on what you said in ca. 2 hrs because my classes start now.

Sent from my phone.

This is a particularly townie way to look at things. This tells me it is remote you're looking for hedges on all seasoned players and corrected misinterpretations I had regarding your posts. The reach out to others is genuine, but requests to the group are going to largely be ignored. You should flag down whoever you think us seasoned and have them give thoughts on me. It will serve as a compliment to them and give you insight into their play.

@All, I like to mother hen newbies. You see me doing that, smack me upside the head. K? Doubly so if it fucks with reads.

So this is Titus's posting in the last 200 pages.

Before this happened she essentially declared SS mod confirmed scum, along with a bunch of other people based on weird pre-flip associations, and now a large wagon to counter Ss has formed on Sircakez. Titus is not fighting or arguing with it much at all, which you'd expect to see if she thought SS was scum and Cakez a scum led counterwagon. Instead, she's been chatting with people, sorting other slots, and just generally flirting with Firebringer, one of the leaders of the Cakez counterwagon. I get the impression that both wagons are on town and that Titus doesn't actually particularly care which one goes through; I'd expect to see her far more invested in the wagon if she was as certain as she claimed of her reads.

Also, her gigantic preflip association thing?

Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

The hell is this? zero explanation? scum.

Not to mention all the IIOA of her early game and the fact that besides declaring random people scum she hasn't really done much scumhunting at all.

I like Cerb's line of questioning as well, and that's part of what led me down this trail.

I'll explain why I'm townreading both of the major wagons if I need to but this is pretty clearly scum.

[Viva La Gloria]

I also _REALLY_ hate Titus's interactions with Yonom.

She randomly scumreads her then townreads her again and says that she's doing some sort of mother hen thing because she's a newbie.

Really doesn't make much sense at all.

[Viva La Gloria]

Also, the people on the Cakes and SS wagons, mind explaining it to me?

Because I really don't see the cases on either and I'm pretty sure SS is town and leaning town on Cakez as well.

[Yonom]

@Viva La Gloria: Welcome back to this game!
My case on SS is mainly explained in #333.

VOTE: Titus

I don't like this way of voting. Not helpful.

No, it is not. That is strategically replacing out. It is not acceptable. Not saying people don't do it, I don't know if anyone has but I do know it's against the rules and ban worthy.

This is a useless conversation that does nothing to find scum though.

It's pretty much impossible to detect, anyone could get away with it. Agreed that this doesn't help us find scum.