Blitz 25: Super Mario uPick! (Koopa Troop victory!)

[Frozen Angel]

hi

VOTE: Aristophanes

bye

[Frozen Angel]

RC you're not gonna weigh in on whether you think I hate you?

don't hate him!

Or as his .... I will force to hate you

[Frozen Angel]

RC you're not gonna weigh in on whether you think I hate you?

don't hate him!

Or as his .... I will force to hate you

Ooooo!
Gossip time!

I like fill in the blanks!
Is it Peach?

O.O

[Frozen Angel]

I can confirm that I love everyone and everything!

[Frozen Angel]

Hello all... first game I'm starting from scratch. Let's see how this goes:

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

w8 a minute

RC is the mod

You know RC is the mod

How is this possible for you to don't know RC is the mod?

RC is the mod!

You can't vote the mod!

Anyway you can't vote RC

But why your voting RC?

why your voting mod?

You like RVS?

Why you like RVS

don't stay in RVS

thats so old scummy

please don't be old scummy

was I clear in my points ? I hope so! VOTE: Amihen for motivation

[Frozen Angel]

Alright, FA is town.

Explain?

Surely he is joking, innit ?

Are you questioning me?! or are you questioning the obviousness of me being town ...

[Frozen Angel]

But I siriously think there is a mechanic or something for lynching the mod right now

specially becuase of the blue thing in RC's VC

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not sure if its safe or not

but is siriously not like a joke.

Mods can't joke about such things! Dahhh!

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

[Frozen Angel]

I'm at uni

I don't have time to read all these pages

[Frozen Angel]

Guys I am at work, will catch up later when I am at home but I have a newbie question: can games have a trigger based on votes on the mod or are you guys just joking around ?

Its weird but just look at the VC

I'm taking this siriously right now!

[Frozen Angel]

and I'm not that veteran you know

I just saw weird stuff happening in MS that I can believe a mod lynch possibility!

[Frozen Angel]

RadiantCowbells (ಠ_ಠ): Amihan

If this is a joke I ask you kindly to stop it now!

[Frozen Angel]

At least this whole ordeal has provided for some decent reaction and stance analysis - knowing that Frozen Angel wasn't actually in the same boat as me. If she were scum knowing me to be a distracting town player and potential town lynch, I definitely could see her fake-sounding mod lynch queries on the last page as a form of white-knighting me. As town, I don't think she would post all of that while still voting me either. It makes more sense for scum to stay on the easy wagon while faking consideration of what everyone else thought was insane.

ha?

Is the mod vote shit in your role pm or not ? I want a clear answer from RC if thats a joke it must end now becuase its hurting the game.

what white knighting ? wtf are you talking about I didn't clear you or anything I just want to make sure that your a troll before lynching you. if thats a real story we can talk

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Amihan

becuase all he can get from 7 pages is paranoia of me being white knighting him in all these pages :/

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Heat
On mobile, sorry, busy day at work. Mostly caught up, dislike Heat the most. Obviously. Don't like his scumhunting(or lack there of) and his tone.

I like Aristopanes, FA, and Flubber. Everyone else needs to post. So hypocritical I know.

why do you like me

I basically did nothing to make you like me

[Frozen Angel]

FB whats your read on Ami ?

[Frozen Angel]

I like the heat post about fire starter and the one that shes scared of me those were wise.

I don't like the lilith wagon. I played with her in some super fast games and I saw her play. So far I can't see anything alarming.

Still w8ing for amihan to produce more contents as well. if thats paranoia is his only read I can only do *shrugs* you were talking about it in 7 pages and mod had a blue thing in his VC about your vote on him ... and its a themed game ... sum it up ... read my posts again ... and come back ...

I like the Jackal wagon. that asking to replace out is not nice ...

[Frozen Angel]

not feeling Amihan wagon anymore

UNVOTE:

[Frozen Angel]

I want to lynch that replace out request

thats my only read

sorry Ranger for replacing into that slot

VOTE: Ranger

[Frozen Angel]

Actually, pre-reread,
VOTE: FA

Wagon vote on Ranger was crappy shit.
The stuff with Ami has been mentioned.
I saw their vote on Ranger coming, she just set it up to wait for a replacement by "not liking the replace out" until a new player was here, then "losing interest" In Ami when it was clearly lost a while ago.

This is good shit.

NinjaFlub!
Will read.

nope it wasn't

[Frozen Angel]

Actually, pre-reread,
VOTE: FA

Wagon vote on Ranger was crappy shit.
The stuff with Ami has been mentioned.
I saw their vote on Ranger coming, she just set it up to wait for a replacement by "not liking the replace out" until a new player was here, then "losing interest" In Ami when it was clearly lost a while ago.

This is good shit.

NinjaFlub!
Will read.

nope it wasn't

[Frozen Angel]

Okay.. well I think Ranger is a bad wagon because Jackal's been posting all over site that he won't have internet access until March so it's not like he's replacing out for tactical reasons. Out of the people on that wagon, I don't like FA and Firebringer.. FA for the attempt to defend Ami's points while she was still on the wagon. Firebringer for jumping on me for "fake tone" so quickly. And maybe heat and bluetrin for that reason as well, although I know I said I liked heat earlier. I think I'm townreading Aristo for resisting jumping on my wagon when that would have been an easy choice for him to make so I'm okay with this:

VOTE: FA

this was an unexpected vote

Not becuase its on me , becuase it happened just after people criticized you and Ari attacked me ... hmmm

[Frozen Angel]

This FA wagon feelsl ike it came out of literally nowhere.

I've been watching her for a while.

so why didn't you commented about my actions?

oh I didn't have an action becuase I was busy with my life past two days ... hmmm

what were you watching exactly?

[Frozen Angel]

This FA wagon feelsl ike it came out of literally nowhere.

I've been watching her for a while.

That sounds creepier than expected...

well long ago I was calling scummy , creepy ...

My Ranger vote was completly expected by me. that slot wasn't fine in any matter. I was trying to pressure Amihan to see that will help him to start talking or not ... That was a failure I admit. That replace out seemed pretty forced and my only clue about a game that I wasn't invested in yet

[Frozen Angel]

Actually, pre-reread,
VOTE: FA

Wagon vote on Ranger was crappy shit.
The stuff with Ami has been mentioned.
I saw their vote on Ranger coming, she just set it up to wait for a replacement by "not liking the replace out" until a new player was here, then "losing interest" In Ami when it was clearly lost a while ago.

This is good shit.

NinjaFlub!
Will read.

nope it wasn't

I...but...
Which line wasn't what!?!?

Dammit FA!
Why do ya gotta be vague with me as I go to bed??

Becuase I just woke up

That wagon in last 6 hours of the day was a rush one. like you knew I'm in bed and you wanted to finish me off while I'm sleep

You all know my timeline and you all know That I'm fully capable of defending myself don't you?

[Frozen Angel]

The timing was so obviously pre planed
I had no idea that this one was a blitz one till yesterday night. I wan't going to vote Ranger but when I saw the timeline I voted my only read ... so ?

[Frozen Angel]

Hello everyone
VOTE: Firebringer
Always scum

Wow, why is this not lynched yet?

VOTE: Amihan

Even if town, which I don't think is likely, needs to be gone asap.

Oh and for the record I believe this is

L-1

Wow, why is this not lynched yet?

VOTE: Amihan

Even if town, which I don't think is likely, needs to be gone asap.

Oh and for the record I believe this is

L-1

Do you have nothing else to say about the game?
Really?

Plenty, but would take hours to post it by phone.
Do not have working internet on my PC atm.

Right. So the above 3 posts are his whole iso.

The first is fine. RVS shit. Whatever.

The second is a shitty wagon vote on an easy target without any questions. And he goes "even if town, good lynch" which gives me creepy scum vibes. That is the worst type of apathetic reasoning.

In the third, I had asked for his reads, and basically got "I have them, I swear, but it's too much work, so you can't have them." Once again, busywork. Looks like he's helping but he's contributed nothing.
Had he gone "so and so is a scum read and so and so is a town read but I can't go into it because technical issues" I'd be alright with it. But he just blatantly gives nothing.

Totally okay with this. Scum posting and mentality.

VOTE: Jackal

Bleh. I knew it probably wasn't a good idea to attempt a blitz with shaky internet. Main PC's net is out until at least the beginning of March, and phone net will disappear when that bill becomes overdue in a few days.

@Mod: I really hate to do this but I think it's best for everyone concerned if I request replacement. My internet situation is not stable enough for a blitz game.

(to put things into perspective re: my last post, the small amount of text in this post took an hour to write)

He asked for replace out in the next post after the vote. and without sharing any kind of reads whatsoever. I don't say people are town for asking replace out. especially when they have such a wagon on their back

want to see an example?

[Frozen Angel]

And tell me why again you don't trust me? Is it because of tone?

Because again, you've played with town!me before and I am not seeing how my tone or play is any different than it was then.

that vote was creepy believe it lilith. I don't trust you becuase of your creepy vote. Your better than this to vote to someone like that

[Frozen Angel]

I voted Ranger at 11:30 when I was thinking we have only 6 hours to have a lynch

UNVOTE:

14 hours is a different matter now

[Frozen Angel]

And the wagon mostly formed as/after he left actually.

yep I prefer a lynch on that weird replacement than a no lynch

[Frozen Angel]

Nice theory but the game went on hold and got an extension, so invalid.

I was out the whole day

I didn't posted one post in entire site that day

wanna check?

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you calling Jackal scummy for replacing out if we can see from his posts elsewhere on the site that it truly is because he won't have internet until March? Do you think he's lying?

and I was exhausted to check meta

That was weird , I thought were near the deadline I voted and went to sleep! simple as that

[Frozen Angel]

I'll sleep on this.

you can't lynch me man

I promise you that

[Frozen Angel]

I believe you on that. No need to check. Or to be so defensive...
I will sleep on this for sure, but I don't like the combative reaction here.

You don't know me yet then

lol

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you calling Jackal scummy for replacing out if we can see from his posts elsewhere on the site that it truly is because he won't have internet until March? Do you think he's lying?

and I was exhausted to check meta

That was weird , I thought were near the deadline I voted and went to sleep! simple as that

It was also a premeditated vote though, so meh.

nah I was thinking about it

but heh!

so you wanted me to pushed no lynch? becuase that was my thinking to gain a no lynch or lynch the wifomy replace out so whats exactly our point?

[Frozen Angel]

I believe you on that. No need to check. Or to be so defensive...
I will sleep on this for sure, but I don't like the combative reaction here.

You don't know me yet then

lol

I do to a degree I think.
But you like to come at people with stats and numbers and facts if available. When they aren't, you start with NAI stuff and actual combattiveness like this.

If timeline won't let me yes. and I didn't check it last night after 18 hours teaching and running and arguing with cabs

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you calling Jackal scummy for replacing out if we can see from his posts elsewhere on the site that it truly is because he won't have internet until March? Do you think he's lying?

and I was exhausted to check meta

That was weird , I thought were near the deadline I voted and went to sleep! simple as that

It was also a premeditated vote though, so meh.

nah I was thinking about it

but heh!

so you wanted me to pushed no lynch? becuase that was my thinking to gain a no lynch or lynch the wifomy replace out so whats exactly our point?

I'll give you that you thought the end was near and voted a potential wagon.
But I still dislike your Ami stuff and this current method of defense when not even the prime wagon.

I disliked your posts from the beginning of the game, so my vote is cozy here now.

lol

so we have a shared understanding here I really hated my posts so far in this game

[Frozen Angel]

I believe you on that. No need to check. Or to be so defensive...
I will sleep on this for sure, but I don't like the combative reaction here.

You don't know me yet then

lol

I do to a degree I think.
But you like to come at people with stats and numbers and facts if available. When they aren't, you start with NAI stuff and actual combattiveness like this.

If timeline won't let me yes. and I didn't check it last night after 18 hours teaching and running and arguing with cabs

Sounds crappy.
I do hope today is better!

What do you teach btw?

University stuff, I'm a teaching assistanse for now . Algorithm designs , Discrete math and Theory of Automates ... I teached Java and Python as well.

[Frozen Angel]

I believe you on that. No need to check. Or to be so defensive...
I will sleep on this for sure, but I don't like the combative reaction here.

You don't know me yet then

lol

I do to a degree I think.
But you like to come at people with stats and numbers and facts if available. When they aren't, you start with NAI stuff and actual combattiveness like this.

If timeline won't let me yes. and I didn't check it last night after 18 hours teaching and running and arguing with cabs

Sounds crappy.
I do hope today is better!

What do you teach btw?

University stuff, I'm a teaching assistanse for now . Algorithm designs , Discrete math and Theory of Automates ... I teached Java and Python as well.

[Frozen Angel]

Hahahaha I guess so!

This quote wall is ridiculous but I can't be arsed to edit it out on my phone. Sorry!

np

I will reread this game after having a breakfast.

But I assure you that my Ami vote was fro pressure becuase he wasted 7 pages with his mod vote drama and all he came up with was that shitty paranoia and my Jackle/Ranger vote was becuase I thought I have no time before deadline

[Frozen Angel]

Fancy shit!
I used to be a math guy, and then just gave up on it one day. Really bad at programming though.
Also, this explains your very Data driven approach to most games. Cool!

pedit : bonne nuit!

[Frozen Angel]

Okay guys let's lynch the mod. For real, since it's a proven possibility.

Maybe this can end in a win for everyone except the mod?

this was so much

"Its a proven possibility" I thought your refering to the blue line in RC's vote count then. what was you referring to?

[Frozen Angel]

Yeah but.. that wagon was so fast.

what is so bad L1 ?

why did you care?

[Frozen Angel]

On my home site we lynched the mod and it caused them to expose a random player. I know most games here aren't like that but this one seems sillier than most, and the mod counted my vote unlike the norm so I think there's a fair chance going for it could help no matter what.

I siriously thought you joked here

I want a link to that homesite now that we know you weren't joking

[Frozen Angel]

RadiantCowbells would be very unhappy if he got lynched because he's been obviously mushroom kingdom aligned this entire game.

Would lynching "RadiantCowbells" count as a no lynch and end the day?

this wasn't just messing around you were serious

So there was two possibility :

1 - you had a part in your role pm about lynching the mod
2 - You just want to make a mess in thread

as we know first is not the case , can you talk about your agenda for asking thousands of questions about this?

[Frozen Angel]

RadiantCowbells would be very unhappy if he got lynched because he's been obviously mushroom kingdom aligned this entire game.

Would lynching "RadiantCowbells" count as a no lynch and end the day?

no.

why you answered!

I have a hard time to beleive there is nothing related to lynching a mod - let me make a post after the semi catchup

[Frozen Angel]

RadiantCowbells (ಠ_ಠ): Amihan

its still there ...

[Frozen Angel]

The point is, we're in a blitz game, and "lynching the mod" is not going to have an effect, and will waste what precious time we have.
so

let's talk about something else.

It was a themed blitz game

what about the fact its a blitz game going to do with it ?

your voting him and begging him to drop the topic and talk about someone else. Why ? why amihan reads was so important for you then?

[Frozen Angel]

There is nothing to be lost here. I strongly, strongly encourage that you all just trust me here.

[Frozen Angel]

My role.

You EVEN STATED THAT'S RELATED TO YOUR ROLE PM here

so why you thought I'm white knighting you later when I get suspicious about it?

this is not adding up

[Frozen Angel]

RadiantCowbells (ಠ_ಠ): Amihan

still there

[Frozen Angel]

Ami, I wouldn't normally ask, but you brought it up.
Is there an aspect to your role that has to do with a mod lynch and if so, what is it?
Nobody will vote with you if you don't tell us why we should.

see even others asked the same question from you

[Frozen Angel]

Wow that was a really freaking quick turnaround.

That wasn't

that happened so slow

I can't follow your POV here

[Frozen Angel]

Damn I really don't know if it's just my instinct to be as contrary as possible but I am liking this wagon less with every new person who jumps on it.

this is white knighting

basically the wagoned person did nothing to show himself/herself town

Why your trying to dreil the wagon emotionally?

[Frozen Angel]

does anyone else think ami is just trolling

I think you're trolling and it does come off as scummy

I agree with this post as well. I hated Heat posts till this page. defensive , opportunistic offensive , tunneled vision and basically no content for sorting her.

[Frozen Angel]

RadiantCowbells (ಠ_ಠ): Amihan

After a quick Google search... he literally just took the words right off of a wiki page......

UNVOTE:

Well then. Sorry I've been so useless here.

At least this whole ordeal has provided for some decent reaction and stance analysis - knowing that Frozen Angel wasn't actually in the same boat as me. If she were scum knowing me to be a distracting town player and potential town lynch, I definitely could see her fake-sounding mod lynch queries on the last page as a form of white-knighting me. As town, I don't think she would post all of that while still voting me either. It makes more sense for scum to stay on the easy wagon while faking consideration of what everyone else thought was insane.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

It's not. I asked RC and he said that any mod-lynching mechanic would make this game bastard.

Super Mario Mafia:

Votecount #1.8:

Amihan (2): Jackal711, Frozen Angel
Heat (2): BlueTrin, Flubbernugget
Firebringer (1): Fire Starter
Lilith2013 (1): Heat
Fire Starter (1): Firebringer
Frozen Angel (1): Amihan
BlueTrin (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Jackal711 (0):
Flubbernugget (0):
Xtoxm (0):

Not voting: Lilith2013, Aristophanes, Xtoxm

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-11 16:00:00).

Picture:

Super Mario Sunshine: Delfino Plaza

Notes:

Super Mario Sunshine!

and its gone!

wtf am I paranoid?

Something is not right here

[Frozen Angel]

RC a Mod lynching mechanic would make this game basterd?

is this game basterd?

Is it possible to vote Mod?

[Frozen Angel]

Totally okay with this. Scum posting and mentality.

VOTE: Jackal

Bleh. I knew it probably wasn't a good idea to attempt a blitz with shaky internet. Main PC's net is out until at least the beginning of March, and phone net will disappear when that bill becomes overdue in a few days.

@Mod: I really hate to do this but I think it's best for everyone concerned if I request replacement. My internet situation is not stable enough for a blitz game.

(to put things into perspective re: my last post, the small amount of text in this post took an hour to write)

this was another thing that triggered me of as it seemed a really bad position to show up and ask to replace out

already talked about this ....

[Frozen Angel]

Am i the only person playing at European hours here ?

nope I'm as well

A bit busy at work recently, but here are my reads:

• Amihan: this was absolutely hilarious in retrospect, he is either town or very ballsy scum, using balance of probabilities, I think he is more likely to be town.
  
  
  why?
  
  
  
• Aristophanes: null/town, I like his scumhunting. Also he is vouching for Lilith at the moment.
  
  
  Why whoever vouching lilith is town and whoever don't is not ? You know lilith alignment?
  
  
  
• Xtoxm: null/scum, very short posts
  
  
  what about it is scummy?
  
  
  
• Lilith2013: null/scum, some other people are vouching for her, but I didn't like her posts and her correcting herself like if she thought she could be accused of something.
  
  
  I'm actually agreed with your point here. her emotions seems fake after rereading
  
  
  
• Fire Starter: null/town, a bit of scumhunting.
  
  
  whats a bit of scum hunting? what others are doing then? acn you talk about this one in more details?
  
  
  
• Ranger: null/scum, too few posts.
  
  
  Too few posts is NAI. What makes him scum ?
  
  
  
• Frozen Angel: null, she is vouching for Lilith in 242, so I guess we may have an association here.
  
  
  Pre flip analyses...? I stated what I though then with my skimming.
  
  
  
• Firebringer: null, I liked the posts about Ami, however there was not much afterwards.
  
  
  hmmm
  
  
  
• Heat: null, his posts are very short, he posted his gut read instead of bringing arguments to the table, however there seems to be some intention of finding scum whether it is true or not.
  
  
  hmmm ?
  
  
  
• Flubbernugget: null/scum, not much content, most of his posts were during the Amihan crisis.
  
  
  hmmmmm
  
  
  
• RadiantCowbells: scum.

On another note, in my previous game, someone made the same argument "even if town, good lynch" and this person was town: the argument was that it was better to have a lynch than no lynch because if someone is close to be lynched he would be suspected the next day and is likely to be lynched.

I don't know if I can agree with this though, maybe it is because I played too much Town of Salem and SC2 Mafia ...

why you have so many null reads. are you even trying to sort the game?

[Frozen Angel]

why is everyone null to you?

Because we don't have much content yet, I still consider you could all be scum. So it's my way to say that you look slightly scummier or townish to me. It would be more interesting if people post their reads as we would get more content go through.

I am more interested in the associations at this stage.

11 pages and no content?

you know you must be the one who gathers them with intracting with others ...

so shall I take that as an excuse?

and "associations tell" is basically the worst way of scum hunting specially in day 1... why you thought its better to read people based on that at this stage?

[Frozen Angel]

PEDIT, it is my way to say that I am not 100% sure,I already explained my choices and put my vote.

if you answered the blue questions ignore them if not please answer them

[Frozen Angel]

I don't like Lilith going quiet in response to being wagoned, and I don't like that she's still not voting this close to deadline. If she's not going to help bring this day to a positive conclusion, then I have no problem with her exiting.

Ranger's posting is okay, but nothing that makes me want to unvote. I find it odd that for all the opinions Ranger has given, she hasn't touched or mentioned the vote she inherited from Jackal.

What would you like me to do here? I'm feeling pretty useless because I'm having a hard time forming reads.

If you're town, start by placing your vote. At the very least you would be able to vote your own counterwagon.

You must have some sort of reads even if it's weak.

Something, anything, that can help us read you and see that you want to work together with people in the way that townies should.

If nothing else, you are at L-2 with less than a day until deadline and you could fullclaim.

Continuing to sit doing nothing and not placing your vote just looks like scum, and will likely result in your lynch.

I liked this post so much

[Frozen Angel]

2 votes /= wagon?

My wagon came out of literally nowhere too.

That's how a wagon bulids dah

so if you don't beleive that I was the scummiest and there shouldn't be a wagon on me why you voted me?

this is not something townie to say

This post was sooo defensive - to explain your vote - and sooo fake

[Frozen Angel]

IMHO, Ami's mistake sounds townish: I find it hard to believe that scum would go such lengths and try to vote the admin ? There s always the possibility that he could be stalling but that seems a bit far fetched.

This is why I believe Ami is town.

assume for 1 sec there is a mechanic to vote the mod

is there anything townish in his ISO ?

[Frozen Angel]

This FA wagon feelsl ike it came out of literally nowhere.

I've been watching her for a while.

As I commented on this before so why you didn't say anything before?

This seemed so force

and creepy

[Frozen Angel]

ok caught up

I can vote lilith for only the last post I commented on.

but before that lets see what will happen if I do

VOTE: RC

I mean lets see that blue text appear again or not

[Frozen Angel]

count a shadow vote on lilith

please full claim in your next post, that shadow vote put you in L1

[Frozen Angel]

PEDIT, it is my way to say that I am not 100% sure,I already explained my choices and put my vote.

if you answered the blue questions ignore them if not please answer them

I didn't explain all of them, you say there is a lot of content: I don't believe there is a lot of relevant content. There are many off topic post and one liners from which I cannot see much information but I have to go through them and this takes time.

I cannot put more than 20mins to 1 hour a day for this due to work, if you think it is too few I'll have to replace out if you think it is better for the game. I don't mind replacing out if you think it is better. Since it is a blitz game I understand that participating more is important.

I tried to go quickly through ISOs and put an opinion on a mix of gut feeling and others before the deadline as I have to go to work and will not be able to participate much now so that it would help.

I asked some simple questions please at least try to answer them

No I hate when people replace out.

we all have lives but if you can play continue play this game.

[Frozen Angel]

I know they were gut feeling but I know there must be something there that caused you to have those feelings.

what are they?

[Frozen Angel]

That wasn't a fake push from Amihan

something weird is going on in this game

And i'm not FA if I don't find out what is it ...

[Frozen Angel]

Your replace out won't solve this. I really doubt that RC wil give another time extension becuase of that ...

I can understand that you have RL ... as I have as well

Whenever you could talk about them I like you to talk about them. if you think you can't play the game then its your decision

[Frozen Angel]

your fine

I will w8 for answers

[Frozen Angel]

w8ing for RC ...

come and get voted please! and answer those questions thx!

[Frozen Angel]

oh excuse me?

[Frozen Angel]

by my count and what I saw from older vote counts I thought we have 6 hours

I didn't saw that RC extended it 12 hours. which part is hard to be understood?

[Frozen Angel]

You shouldn't be using wifom replace out as part of your argument. You admitted you did not check the meta of the replace out and you were aware of it at the time.

I was going to sleep becuase I was exhausted and I chose the one I had bad feelings about becuase I thought I won't be awake before deadline finishes

it was definitely better than a no vote

[Frozen Angel]

oh excuse me?

How did you not know you were playing a blitz?

Well RC asked me to join his themed Mario game

I just said I'm in in the nearest signup thread in my ego

but That's no difference for me. I play all kind of games ...

[Frozen Angel]

lol

I'm crazy , no one will signup blindly

but I basically don't care!

[Frozen Angel]

I know I know! I should have seen something about it being blitz somewhere , But I couldn't remember it!

you know how many games I'm playing right now!? I don't save all the details

and I was thinking its a themed game ... *shrugs*

[Frozen Angel]

It is a themed game I mean I was thinking its a mini themed game ...

[Frozen Angel]

siriously guys your wasting today's lynch by voting me

why are you ignoring all the posts I did after that?

[Frozen Angel]

siriously guys your wasting today's lynch by voting me

why are you ignoring all the posts I did after that?

[Frozen Angel]

and yes I'm telling the truth

I had a misunderstanding about deadline

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you calling Jackal scummy for replacing out if we can see from his posts elsewhere on the site that it truly is because he won't have internet until March? Do you think he's lying?

and I was exhausted to check meta

That was weird , I thought were near the deadline I voted and went to sleep! simple as that

Okay but in this post you said he probably wasn't town for replacing out:

Hello everyone
VOTE: Firebringer
Always scum

Wow, why is this not lynched yet?

VOTE: Amihan

Even if town, which I don't think is likely, needs to be gone asap.

Oh and for the record I believe this is

L-1

Wow, why is this not lynched yet?

VOTE: Amihan

Even if town, which I don't think is likely, needs to be gone asap.

Oh and for the record I believe this is

L-1

Do you have nothing else to say about the game?
Really?

Plenty, but would take hours to post it by phone.
Do not have working internet on my PC atm.

Right. So the above 3 posts are his whole iso.

The first is fine. RVS shit. Whatever.

The second is a shitty wagon vote on an easy target without any questions. And he goes "even if town, good lynch" which gives me creepy scum vibes. That is the worst type of apathetic reasoning.

In the third, I had asked for his reads, and basically got "I have them, I swear, but it's too much work, so you can't have them." Once again, busywork. Looks like he's helping but he's contributed nothing.
Had he gone "so and so is a scum read and so and so is a town read but I can't go into it because technical issues" I'd be alright with it. But he just blatantly gives nothing.

Totally okay with this. Scum posting and mentality.

VOTE: Jackal

Bleh. I knew it probably wasn't a good idea to attempt a blitz with shaky internet. Main PC's net is out until at least the beginning of March, and phone net will disappear when that bill becomes overdue in a few days.

@Mod: I really hate to do this but I think it's best for everyone concerned if I request replacement. My internet situation is not stable enough for a blitz game.

(to put things into perspective re: my last post, the small amount of text in this post took an hour to write)

He asked for replace out in the next post after the vote. and without sharing any kind of reads whatsoever. I don't say people are town for asking replace out. especially when they have such a wagon on their back

want to see an example?

So you don't think the replace out was scummy?

When I said that?!! I said I won't call them town like you for that. I think that replace out happened in the worst way it could have been done

Yeah but.. that wagon was so fast.

what is so bad L1 ?

why did you care?

Because L-1 so early in the game gives the chance that someone will, as someone I know puts it, "yolo-hammer." And there was no way I felt strongly enough about Ami's entrance to feel comfortable with that possibility, however small.

Why you thought he is town? why you attacked the wagon instead of pressuring him for a read?

Wow that was a really freaking quick turnaround.

That wasn't

that happened so slow

I can't follow your POV here

Aristo said he liked my posts about 6 hours before. Then out of nowhere decides he agrees with firebringer and heat. That's what I mean by a quick turnaround. There was no prior indication that he was thinking about changing his read or doubting his initial read.

Damn I really don't know if it's just my instinct to be as contrary as possible but I am liking this wagon less with every new person who jumps on it.

this is white knighting

basically the wagoned person did nothing to show himself/herself town

Why your trying to dreil the wagon emotionally?

I am not? I just feel uncomfortable with a lot of people joining a wagon quickly.

So why you joined my wagon quickly without adding anything to pressure me?

2 votes /= wagon?

My wagon came out of literally nowhere too.

That's how a wagon bulids dah

so if you don't beleive that I was the scummiest and there shouldn't be a wagon on me why you voted me?

this is not something townie to say

This post was sooo defensive - to explain your vote - and sooo fake

I do believe you are the scummiest so far. That is why I voted you.
Firebringer said that the "wagon" came out of nowhere. I am explaining that 1) it is not a wagon, and 2) he is being hypocritical by saying that because my wagon was the same speed and he didn't notice that but he noticed yours.

The wagon came from nowhere honestly. it is a wagon. 2 votes is the start of a wagon . your wagon happened from page 3 till now and now your shadowy at L1. I'm not voting you to see whats up with that whole mod vote stuff ...

so please claim

[Frozen Angel]

RC complete that damn vote count and answer me please

[Frozen Angel]

I will just go ahead and claim

I'm princess peach becuase everybody apparently love me I'm lynch proof so go ahead and test it if you want ...

[Frozen Angel]

and I'm town ^.^

so lets do something usefull instead

[Frozen Angel]

your turn lilith

any claim you want to do?

[Frozen Angel]

we have like 4 hours till deadline

where is everyone ...

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: lilith L1

now claim

Amihan wtf was those posts commenting like it was related to your role pm was all about then? I want a clear answer becuase you basically wasted half of this day phase for that

[Frozen Angel]

I made like 80 posts shared my view about all stuff and my reasons and everything

what you didn't like?

and yes I'm peach. my lynch proof ability has a modifier as well . won't claim it further. think its enough for town

[Frozen Angel]

:S

[Frozen Angel]

why you didn't claimed earlier lilith?

[Frozen Angel]

you really think that we have enough people and time to make another wagon in 1 hour?

[Frozen Angel]

Its not about your role

Its about having a lynch

UNVOTE:

pedit : not sure , might do that if you continue posting like this

[Frozen Angel]

I guess this ain't a thing that can happen. Sorry FA!

lol , that wouldn't happen anyway

so nothing to be sorry about

[Frozen Angel]

Amihan I asked you something

you wanna explain?

[Frozen Angel]

Amihan don't disappear now!

[Frozen Angel]

Inb4 we try to lynch Lilith's partner...

anyone claimed to be the other mason?!

I missed anything ?!

[Frozen Angel]

I was catching up in my other games first sorry.
VOTE: FA

hmm ?

[Frozen Angel]

No, but we have entered quicklynch mode and it would be sad and ironic if we wagoned off of Lil and onto the other mason(s).
That's all.

yeah , this is a mess atm :/

[Frozen Angel]

This is a joke . its becuase of the page top

[Frozen Angel]

I have something to confess

I read my role pm wrong

I might get lynched today , I'm just loved today. still princess peach and still town

pedit : no , I'm not

[Frozen Angel]

I'm still lynch proof , not now btw

[Frozen Angel]

Burn?!

nah I can't

pedit : yes

[Frozen Angel]

I'm always loved and lynch proof with a modifier as I already claimed

[Frozen Angel]

You were scumreading me for voting Ranger

Why is he more scummy than Amihan for you suddenly ?

[Frozen Angel]

I hate to be threatened

I like to vote Ranger I want to know why your so ok with him atm

[Frozen Angel]

That's why I have problem with timing of that claim

she was online earlier

why she w8ed to claim this so late?

whats your opinion about Amihan?

[Frozen Angel]

@lilith yeah obviously, that makes me believe your claim for now even more... the thing you just said added up with lots of things

[Frozen Angel]

I'll go with either Amihan or Ranger seems its ranger becuase of votes

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Ranger L1

The fact Amihan thought it was role related is the fact that triggering me.... But its obvious that there is no mechanic about voting mod. hmmm

[Frozen Angel]

we have 9 minutes ...

[Frozen Angel]

omg!

someone?!

[Frozen Angel]

NO ONE ?!

Help princess peach and vote!

[Frozen Angel]

arrrgh

[Frozen Angel]

last seconds!

[Frozen Angel]

Someone asked what would have happened if you brought me to L0 last day ... I would get lynched.

I won't say anything about today unless I feel its necessary. I have the loved modifier with me though.

and about my posting style : sorry if its frustrating but thats how I post. That's a bit hard for me to change my posting style. But anyway I will try

[Frozen Angel]

Someone asked what would have happened if you brought me to L0 last day ... I would get lynched.

I won't say anything about today unless I feel its necessary. I have the loved modifier with me though.

and about my posting style : sorry if its frustrating but thats how I post. That's a bit hard for me to change my posting style. But anyway I will try

I realised that you must be posting by phone now, isn't it ? That's why you cannot collate everything into one post, isn't it ?

Just disregard me if that's the case.

I also thought that you claimed to be unlynchable on day 1, am I misinterpreting ?

Yep I phone post a lot

and I explained my lynchproof and explained that it has modifiers - read the last pages of last day.

[Frozen Angel]

I liked the Blue Trins new post

I want an insta-lynch on Ranger becuase that last minute survival was so damn scummy

[Frozen Angel]

I'm sure I saw scum lynchproof before. in a game with vig of course.

but thats pure wifom! lets read me based on my actions in game! shall we?

[Frozen Angel]

Still waiting for any comments from Ranger

[Frozen Angel]

sorry prodded

it was Valentine! please be merciful mode!

[Frozen Angel]

I already explained it in full detail.

what are you talking about?

[Frozen Angel]

Still catching up, if it's past page seven I haven't got there yet. If it was there, then obviously not well enough.

I explained it in detail later and asked mod about it. But I had trouble becuase mod was writing that mod vote in his vote counts - in a blue font

[Frozen Angel]

and Amihan was pressuring to much about it

I'm still wondering when she will explain why she did all those...

[Frozen Angel]

I don't see Ari scum like at all ...

I think he is fairly town ... hmm

[Frozen Angel]

Xtoxm started the neighbourhood with a post "So we are scum?"
I tried to play with him to see what will be his reactions after realizing its not a scum party and its a neighbourhood. His next post was "I'm going to be very disappointed in you if you're scum again, Fire. Also, let's keep the hood secret, for D1 at least."

I tried to see who will he react to this. His reason for his first slip was "I think it would work the other way, actually. Scum would receive 2 PTs and know what's going on, and be more likely to correct me. Town would receive only 1 PT and might think they are scum."

and then he claimed to be the neighborizer.

VOTE: Fragger

This is scum. I was right about it since beginning.

L1

[Frozen Angel]

sorry for not mentioning this earlier. I wanted to see who this wagon will form without revealing such info to make a proper VCA later.

I was surely about to mention this today

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think fragger is scum and I still think heat is scum

You read what I wrote?!

[Frozen Angel]

Anyone read what I wrote?!

JC

[Frozen Angel]

His first post in neighbourhood in pre game was "So Are we scum?" as a neighborizer this can have two meanings :

1 - He is a scum neighborizer and he posted in the wrong thread.
2 - He wanted to reaction test.

so i waited to see if he realise it or not. His next post was asking FB that if he is scum again or not. So I started questioning him about the slip. I said I felt your really scum and you posted in wrong thread and his answer was "I think it would work the other way, actually. Scum would receive 2 PTs and know what's going on, and be more likely to correct me. Town would receive only 1 PT and might think they are scum." I continued my posts there to see if the neighbourhood is mod assigned or we have a neighborizer and he resisted to claim.

in night 1 after I pushed the neighbourhood and said I'm going to reveal it in next day phase he panicked and role claimed.

So why his last response is not valid? becuase a neighborizer know that the thread he made is not a scum pool! Its basically obvious that he is scum at this point.

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't said it in day 1 becuase :

1 - I wasn't sure that was a real slip or a try to reaction test but after his claim it got pretty obvious slip
2 - I wanted to see how he will react and interact before revealing it. that why I waited so much in day 2 as well.

@Frag Its not your fault, nothing to be ashamed of man ...

[Frozen Angel]

any other questions?

[Frozen Angel]

now we had a failed wagon in day 1 and an obvious scum and an obvious scum wagon

good luck town if I got night killed!

[Frozen Angel]

I think the other two scums are between Ranger , Amihan , Heat . Ari and FB are town (more likely - less sure about FB) and blue Trin and Flab and Heat can be all town with them

H

[Frozen Angel]

I have no idea what that H stands for ! *facepalm*

[Frozen Angel]

I think the other two scums are between Ranger , Amihan , Heat . Ari and FB are town (more likely - less sure about FB) and blue Trin and Flab and Heat can be all town with them

H

I thought you could tell when I am scum.

"FB is always obvious scum"-FA

The only way for you to be scum is to be with Frag , But thats not helping is it?! becuase Farg is basically an obvious outed scum.

and no I haven't saw anything alarming yet from FB. I think there is a good chance for him being town in here

[Frozen Angel]

Also FA, why does his claim cannot make sense with a reaction test ? Is it also because he asked a replacement that you believe he slipped ?

he said if he was scum he knew there are two parties and he wouldn't do any mistake. How can a town neighborizer mistake his neighbourhood with a scum pt?!! :/

[Frozen Angel]

I missed Fragger's reply

He didn't reply to anything about this matter, Just wanted to throw away the pressure

[Frozen Angel]

Wait, I want to talk to FA some more.

sure!

I tested you. if Frag is not scum here (which has 2% chance from what I can see) then he didn't choose people on a pre planned purpose so your interactions with him and neighborhood are not pre planned and you seem fairly town as well

if he is scum there is slight chance for you to be his scum buddy . thats a tactic to put your scum buddy and a town in a neighbourhood , I saw that before.

[Frozen Angel]

he said if he was scum he knew there are two parties and he wouldn't do any mistake. How can a town neighborizer mistake his neighbourhood with a scum pt?!! :/

This sounds exactly like how you bussed me in RC other game....
I did a small scum slip, and you hammered it in as being bad and bussed me hardcore for it.

I am so nervous about FA now.

I worked around the slip for two days before revealing it.

what did you do? you were there as well ...

[Frozen Angel]

I worked around the slip for two days before revealing it.

what did you do? you were there as well

I thought it was a cheesy reaction test.
Didn't seem like a slip at all.

If this is your only reason for scum reading Xtoxm its very weak IMO

And yet your not even reading what I said there

[Frozen Angel]

how can a neighborizer reason for saying "so we are scum" be "if I was scum I know that there are two parties so I'm not scum ... " :/

and your telling me something is not wrong here ...

[Frozen Angel]

Read the neighbour pt again for godsake with the knowledge he is a neighborizer claimer

[Frozen Angel]

if he is not scum why should he :

1 - refuse to claim he is a neighborizer in pregame?
2 - say "so we are scum?" in pregame?
3 - when pressured say "Scum would have seen the two pt and wouldn't such a thing" as a reason
4 - why he claimed when I clearly said I have a scum read in neighbourhood and I'm going to reveal this thing ?

why we have a masonry ?! does that add up with a thing like me and a town neighborizer?!

[Frozen Angel]

Read the neighbour pt again for godsake with the knowledge he is a neighborizer claimer

I have read it. How are you saying that this is a 100% he mistook which thread he posted in?

why should someone say a thing like that? you say trolling ? nah it wasn't obviously he answered all the questions I asked him afterwards about it.
It was a reaction test ? no by his claim and way of reasoning,
Was it a scum slip ? possibly that make this wagon stronger.

[Frozen Angel]

And the way Frag ignore it all and never said anything relevant is so scummy ...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm outed scum? Hardly.

I'll be at work during deadline so most likely town will mislynch me.

Hopefully once I flip town will actually stop being dense and go back and actually read my reads & cstchup and see who is death tunneling me & how weak their argument is. I know no matter what I say I'm the lynch today. Look at the wagon .

Not ignoring anything just traveling to work right now

This is a phone post

so your not saying your not scum?! lol

This is definetly scum. I'm betting it

[Frozen Angel]

lol. FB is definitely scum partners with frag. Trying wayyyyyy to hard to not get his partner lynched. How many scum are in this game?

lol, my vote is still on him.
I am just questioning the logic of FA here, who I don't believe is on this wagon for the right reasons.

#CheckYourFacts

what are the right reasons?!

I mentioned 10 reaons to add reasons to this wagon.

Xtoxm basically didn't done anything. Frag posts were completly alarming . His scum pool is whoever suspicious of him. His posts in neighbourhood and the reasons I mentioned are completly valid. This need to go

[Frozen Angel]

and another thing just came in my mind. In that game that I death tunneled you becuase of that slip we both were scum

what are you implying?

[Frozen Angel]

And I have so much work to do tomorrow. I'm going to sleep

Hopefully I will make it in last hours before deadline if he wasn't lynched by then

[Frozen Angel]

Flub do you have any other person in your masonary ?

asking becuase of the enabler thing. Its mylo please claim if there is another mason

[Frozen Angel]

Fa you look awful after that scum slip Bullshit

I explained it completly in details.

That was what I believed then. I was really surprised about it after I saw the flip ...

[Frozen Angel]

if we lynch town we definitely loose. I need a reread.

[Frozen Angel]

ok this is getting interesting!

VOTE: Aristo

[Frozen Angel]

and I'm not them , I'm a she

[Frozen Angel]

no problem! Princess peach is not angry!

[Frozen Angel]

two guilties on you man

counsidense?

are they both scum and want to make a fast win ? If its the case make your case on them. if not your going so down.

and about that I never saw a mylo that ends in a happy ending before. If we lynch town scum has a pretty good damn chance to shoot someone and win.

pedit : bo-omb! Are you siriously saying you are Bo-omb and thats not a scum character?!

[Frozen Angel]

Waaaait, he said Bob-omb?

I should read better.

That is a lie and he is scum. Both are and are trying a quick wagon.

Fucking...
My bad.
Thanks for pointing that out FA.

What did you read?

What is your flavor

claim it right now.

[Frozen Angel]

you have 10 seconds!

[Frozen Angel]

or asking mod a fake claim o.O

[Frozen Angel]

yeah mod is here!

FS already claimed your flavor. whats the point of waiting for him? What are you ?

[Frozen Angel]

Guys, I am not sure I am good at this game, got killed at N1 in my previous game and I thought Xtoxm was scum.

Do you guys get better with experience ?

ha?!

[Frozen Angel]

Ari claim your flavor right now.

[Frozen Angel]

so why your not voting him ?! :/

and lol thats cute ... its day use or night use?

[Frozen Angel]

and I must say for the records I only asked for flavor claim not role claim.

and I'm really surprised that his flavor claim was this much accurate (for you being a bomb) ... hmm

[Frozen Angel]

sorry I'm on phone too *shy, red face*

[Frozen Angel]

Ami please clear up your guilty on Ari

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

I have doubts that town have a flavor cop in this setup!

I need to see where this conversation ends before deciding anything.

[Frozen Angel]

don't be pissed we have time to discuss this. I need to know whats going on here and how strong is Amihan guilty. or will be any kind of counterclaim or not.

you claimed you know I'm peach. well thats not promising becuase I claimed it in day 1. obviously there is a scum between you and Ari unless your role is insane and you get wrong results which won't match with any flavor I know.

[Frozen Angel]

Amihan your still need to answer your day 1 crap as well ... what was its relation to your role?! why you went through it in 8 pages?

[Frozen Angel]

becuase you two are claiming to different flavors for him. its obvious that one of you two is lying here.

[Frozen Angel]

Blue Trin I want your readlist based on the knowledge gained from the flips. can you do that please?

and that ha meant I can't understand your question ... not that I'm humiliating you or anything ...

[Frozen Angel]

Flavour is indicative of alignment in this game.

ok yeah its Ari or FS - more likely Ari by the look of things.

Amihan want to just state you have 100% guilty or he is likely to be scum becuase of your calculations?

[Frozen Angel]

sorry I'm on phone too *shy, red face*

All good yo!
Sorry for a heated answer.

Will post when I can. Just started a work shift

[Frozen Angel]

If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.

Unless Frozen Angel and Firestarter are scum ?

With Amihan?

thats a possibility! But w8! I'm town Princess peach. So think again!

[Frozen Angel]

Amihan what kind of guilty have you on him. is it 100% guilty or something you calculated?!

[Frozen Angel]

why the fuck do we have two people pushing a quick lynch right now? we have all day. we need to use it.

I unvoted to avoid a quick lynch. who are you talking about ? FS and Amihan claimed to have a guilty on Aristo. and Aristo says FS lied about his flavor and he is voting him.

thats purely based on night actions. is there a problem with their votes?

[Frozen Angel]

We don't know if you are really Peach do we ?

I won't lie such a matter in day 1.

lets go through this!

if I'm scum , FS is definitely scum as well. and he is definitely a flavor cop (becuase of that bomb thing was so close to what aristo claimed) so I claimed to be peach for no reason during day 1 and took the risk for being hunted by a possible town flavor cop ?!

[Frozen Angel]

oh and I forgot the risk of being counter claimed ... But whatever!

I'm princess peach the beloved princess. and there's obviously a scum between FS and Ari at this point

[Frozen Angel]

FS asked why we hadn't quicklynched ari. Amihan wants to quicklynch him too

and whats wrong about it ? their push is based on night results

[Frozen Angel]

Amihan you better clarify your guilty in your next post. I'm not asking you to role claim. I want to know your saying you know for a fact from you night action Ari is 100% scum or there is a tiny tiny chance or even more chance for him being town ?

[Frozen Angel]

No cop would investigate you first though ?

I'd have investigated null reads and you were in my town reads... This game is so confusing, any actions could be read as town and scum differently.

All the favor cops should definitely investigate me at night 1! that was obviously necessary.

he claimed he tested my claim in night 1 so that part is believable.

[Frozen Angel]

I think I like this to call Aristo - heat - Ranger scum team and finish it ... But still something is bothering me from Ami posts.

pedit : If I had a guilty I would just said that I have a guilty and pushed you for it all they. Its definitely the most and best town play. I wont give a scum a chance to make his way out .

pedit : 1 - FS explained it in full details
2 - Why you think I'm asking Ami that question ? But still. if she had a guilty she has a right to vote.

[Frozen Angel]

w8 amihan explanations

[Frozen Angel]

yes

[Frozen Angel]

should I wait until ami explains?

It depends if you believe Ami is scum ...

no its not

if he is scum then we definitely need to w8 to see his claim.

if he is town and heat is town , this maybe a misunderstanding and can be tolerated after his explanations without forcing heat to claim.

if he is town and heat is not that claim is basically lie and timing won't matter becuase its already prepared.

so we w8 for Amihan explanations first

[Frozen Angel]

Heat the thing thats not adding up is about Aris , FS , Me or Amihan ?

[Frozen Angel]

I think if Heat is scum it would be better if he claims first, or did I misunderstand again ?

Whoever is the most suspicious should claim first so he cannot know the future claims.

this is the basic idea . But a summarized explanation about how strong is that guilty result won't matter so much in heats claim I suppose.

[Frozen Angel]

I will answer this when/if I claim

sure

but at least tell if its related to the fact that you assume Amihan a certain kind of role (investigative for example) or not ...

[Frozen Angel]

thats for the sake of timing not preparing anything ...

[Frozen Angel]

it's unrelated to that

then it must definitely w8 for Amihan claim.

I'm going right now. I'm here all day tomorrow. no insta hammer or anything. this needs to be logically observed at this point.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean Amihan explanation.

If its unnecessary don't claim completly [talking to Amihan and Heat] .

just explain how strong is that guilty thing Amihan.

[Frozen Angel]

RC was online all the time. that wouldn't take this long.

[Frozen Angel]

Inb4 Ami is asking for a fakeclaim.

Can scum ask the mod for a fake claim ? That's a bit cheating ...

ah thats for preventing a game break by character claims and completly normal.

[Frozen Angel]

Can you explain to me what you just said ? I don't get it ...
If the claim does not add up, then that's their own fault ?

sure.

imagine a mario mafia game. we know all the good flavor people like Peach , Rosalina , Mario , Yoshi and ... are town and scums have bad characters like bob-omb.

we could just character claim in day 1 and get 1 or two counter claims just based on that if they couldn't ask for fake characters. I myself like to put those fake characters in role pm - as the characters that are not in game and they can use as fake claims.

[Frozen Angel]

Ari was a bit nervous after he received two guilties . he assumed FS is truly a flavor cop for a while and after he realized what is he accused of he delayed to vote an obvious scum from his view. thats concerning.

pedit : that Xtoxm semi slip was happened just like the way I explained it. I have no idea what he was doing.

oh! and before I forget it again. @FB I didn't used his slip for making that wagon on him. I claimed when he was obviously the day lynch becuase of other reasons. That wasn't my only reason for voting that slot. the fact you didn't explain it is a bit suspicious too . like you knew his alignment. thats why I refused to share my reads in neighbourhood and I will continue to do so.

[Frozen Angel]

from your perspective he was obviously scum. being cautious is meaningless about that.