Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
I'll be waiting for a response and reviewing all the posts. However, if you remember our other (and now completed game), PhantomCobalt's dodgy style is not something I appreciate, regardless of meta.
You just voted. You're a smart guy and must know that Not Mafia wouldn't vote for himself. That would mean that I'm the only guy to vote for him. If you're a townie, wouldn't you express some sort of fear that the vote would be left to me and I could hammer a vote on someone else and essentially win the game for myself?
Also, looking back at my posts, where I found out Not Mafia roleblocked me, I'm becoming more confident that he's town. The fact is that we know that he can roleblock. If we have a mafia roleblocker, wouldn't claiming to have a power role be somewhat of a risky play? I don't see him as someone who does those risky plays.
For the rest of this post, I'm looking to Davsto and who was critical of him:
Day One - 113 - Broseidon voted him. He kept that vote on him for most of the day. During that time, Not Mafia voted Rob and Plottin Kittehs voted Persuvil.
Broseidon was also prodded on 503 688, Not Mafia switched to Adaptive Heap. 884, Not Mafia and Plottin Kittehs switched to Soren. 952, Not Mafia votes Rob, and with no explanation... no... nothing.
Day Two: 1121 Not Mafia starts the day by voting someone he didn't vote in Day One. 1194 BROseidon votes Davsto again. I can't help but WIFOM myself - is this scum distancing themselves or is he the towniest town in all the town? 1242 As of this post, Plottin Kittehs spoke half a dozen times but haven't voted back on his last vote of Day One. Why haven't you voted, if you were more sure of Soren being scum than anyone else? 1245 Not Mafia considers one of Davsto's posts the scummiest he's ever heard but didn't elaborate. 1261[/[post] Davsto responds to Plottin Kittehs as a town feel but doesn't respond to Not Mafia.
[post]1270, Plottin Kittehs hammers Davsto.
So here's what I'm getting for these people:
Broseidon: There's been barely any time for not going onto Davsto. For this game, he's probably been the towniest person to me. In fact, I only have such a scum vibe from him as I do because he seems so town. He's making me think something has to be wrong.
Not Mafia: His scumminess is very apparent. He dodges, doesn't explain himself and creates such an untrustworthy face to us all. As it pertains to Davsto, they had little interaction other than calling him super scummy right before he died.
Plottin Kittehs: As I've said to him at the end game of our last game together, I worry about him because I find him as such a good player that I'm not sure I'd be able to catch him as scum. As it pertains to the game, he hasn't voted Davsto at all, up until the hammer. I'd like to think that if he was scum, he'd have voted him earlier. Combine that with the question I still have for him, I'm a bit undecided.
All I can say right now with relative certainty, is that I don't see myself voting Broseidon today.
That fear was a large part of what held me back from voting yesterday. I knew you were very likely to be town because of the role interactions. You were roleblocked on a night that there was a kill. A person who is roleblocked cannot use their night actions, including the factional kill, so if a kill went through it meant that you didn't do it and that makes you town.
This is true regardless of not mafia's alignment: if not mafia was town, then he would have no reason to lie about his action and say he roleblocked you when he didn't, so if you're clear then you're clear. If not mafia is scum, then you're town for sure.
In Davsto's role PM, it says that his kill can't be blocked or protected against. A roleblock wouldn't have stopped Davsto from doing the kill, but that's an unusual power to have. If the other scum also had this power then they could kill even if they were roleblocked. But we have a little bit of evidence that this is not the case: Rob13 was killed, and he could have been lynched instead. That shows that the last scum was afraid of his jailkeep ability, so Rob could have probably stopped their kill.
These are all strong hints that you're town, but I know that approaching the game this way is difficult, and it's less satisfying than catching someone for their behaviour.
I was fairly sure that Not Mafia was scum but I wanted to be able to have a behaviour reason for townreading you, not just a reason based on roles, and I did have lingering doubts about your behaviour, because you were scumhunting more vigorously in the newbie game, so I talked to myself for a little while in the neighbourhood to try to sort out my head about what I thought of you and it helped. I went back over your ISO in that game and thought about how you'd played there and how you were playing here and I realised that I could see some of the ways that game affected you here.
For example you were fairly quickly to vote in LYLO in that game but people yelled at you for it and then you unvoted and they yelled at you some more because they were dumb and I could see the way that was influencing your MYLO play here, and the same thing happened to me in my first non newbie game: I made a mistake with my vote in my newbie game because it was after midnight and I couldn't count, and I lynched a power role by mistake. In the large I was playing in I was suddenly very voteshy and wouldn't vote because I had just learnt that voting was dangerous. I felt that your hesitation in voting not mafia, was townier than not because I think as scum it'd be easier for you to just continue pushing him.
Also, yesterDay, when I wasn't voting, you didn't take any steps to try to convince me to vote for not mafia even though I was clearly leaning in that direction. You seemed more like you were figuring things out than in a hurry to get somewhere. If you were scum, you were hitting a lot of the right notes of looking like a town player figuring things out, many of which I didn't get right my first time being scum in LYLO.
I also felt like posts like 1555 reminded me of the unselfconscious joking you did earlier in the newbie game.
Also, I rely pretty heavily on my ISO mapping for my own scumhunting, and not mafia's ISO is more worrying than yours is. He pushed Dav a tiny bit early on but mostly left him alone, came back to naked vote him when it looked inevitable that he was being lynched but otherwise didn't interact with him. You were pushing Davsto more, and you were pushing him with your vote too and trying to get him lynched on day 1, in spite of Davsto having a ridiculously overpowered role.
I made this a day or so ago but I didn't post it because it was mostly just for myself:
In the end, a person can't be 100% sure, even if you take the full 2 weeks to look at everything, though I've gone that route some times in the past. But there were enough signs that you were town and enough signs that not mafia was scum that it seemed worth the risk to me.
pedit: I see your other post, will respond to it in a new post.
I think this post explains much of my behaviour on day 2:
In post 1107, Plottin Kittehs wrote: i'm about 22 pages behind in this game (currently 81 pages behind on my games sitewide, haven't been well, starting to get better. This will be the day phase I get caught up I think!)
I had some health stuff going on starting from the 29th of December through the first week of January and during that time:
the scum game that I was playing in ballooned to a zillion pages and people were tunnelling my buddy for no reason and it was terrible (no, really, the entire case on him was "mentioned his girlfriend too many times")
I was in LYLO in my other town game and I had hammer vote and that was also terrible
this game got a bunch of pages too but it was less important than LYLO or ICing or my scumgame.
and all of a sudden I was about 80 pages behind sitewide and hopelessly lost.
The only game I managed to stay current in was the newbie game.
I lost the LYLO game on the 9th of January, didn't manage to reread the thread after all, voted wrong.
I lost the scum game on the 15th of January: my buddy was lynched day 1 and I was vigged night 1 and that was the end of it and all I felt was relief that I didn't have to read that 90 page game after all.
I was scumreading Soren but I remember liking Soren's response to my pressure on him on day 1 and I was wanting to talk with Mala about it because she's played with him before and hydraed with him so I thought she could read him better.
We were pushing Davsto with our words as early as 49 and 135 and 149. If you ctrl-f our ISO for "dav", you'll see what I mean.
I've been scum together with newer players before and I wouldn't have let a scumbuddy with such a powerful role get into the kind of trouble Davsto got into: I would have been encouraging him in private and giving him advice and working together with him to help him pretend to scumhunt, writing posts for him to reword in his own writing voice, whatever was necessary. I would have given him more space to try to get his head into the game than I did.
In History Mafia, both of my scumbuddies were newbies and one of them was 11 years old and he was absolutely adorable but he did not know how to townpost at all and started attracting some negative attention and I taught him how to look town and everyone townread him and nobody suspected he was being coached, and he was just a mafia goon. I townread and defended him in public and tutored him in private. I would have done all of those things and more for Davsto in this game if I were scum.
Sometimes I bus and sometimes I don't but this game my primary strategy would be getting Davsto to be widely townread to pre-empt any need for bussing.
It is okay that you are wary of me, but what is surprising is that not mafia isn't more wary of me. We were scum together recently. I bussed him with puppy pictures and then I spent two weeks in LYLO putting on a town show for nacho and then I won.
The boss is around so I got to get off this for an hour or two. However, BROseidon, please reflect on this. I'm curious as to your opinions on PK and NM.
Fuck. I had a long post for this and I pressed preview and then MafiaScum must have timed out. It's pissing me off and I really don't feel like retyping everything, so I'm waiting on Not Mafia's response.
In post 1590, KuroiXHF wrote:The boss is around so I got to get off this for an hour or two. However, BROseidon, please reflect on this. I'm curious as to your opinions on PK and NM.
I've had a super hard townread on PK the entire game. My track record of reading Mala is super good, and even with having recently taken time off I pegged her super quickly as scum in Wedding Invitational mafia. Her posts this game have screamed town to me, although she's been in the thread far less than I'd have liked (although she doesn't ~really~ lurk as scum). I've also been town reading Plotinus - I've broadly liked his approach and analytics this game, and the level of effort he's put in the past 2 day phases in particular when it would have been pretty unnecessary of scum-him to do so makes me further think he's town.
Not Mafia I didn't really ever have much of an opinion on, and at this point it's kind of PoE. The fact that, mechanically speaking, he has to be scum unless there's a second strongman-type ability left in play also makes me feel good about this.
The day has been short, and well...possibly sweet. You watch the other doctors pace, eyes down, in deep thought as you one by one come to the same conclusion. You open your mouth to say what you are all thinking, when ANOTHER damned rift opens up. This time, the only real difference between what's on this side and what's on
that
side is the sky. Through the rift, the other sky looks much less crowded.
And it might be just a little bit more sandy. A hot wind blows through the rift, salting your face with a sudden rime of grit.
Definitely more sandy. You inhale the strangely scented air. Cinnamon? Nutmeg? Something like that.
An incredible rumbling growl of a sound grows louder and and louder, until it's deafening. And the spicy scent now seems to almost burn your eyes and lungs.
Not_Mafia, with the insatiable curiosity common to you in all your incarnations, leaps through the rift to have a look around. He points at a far off cloud of dust. "it's some sort of factory!", he cries.
The sand directly the other side of the rift suddenly sinks, and then explodes upward.
A huge beast rises out of its sand, it's flaming maw lined with endless concentric rings of crystaline teeth. The spicy scent is overwhelming, and emanates directly from the creature's maw. It passes directly over Not_Mafia, it's long, segmented serpentine body looping upward and then back down into the depths of the sand. When it passes, there is nothing on the sand.
“Bless the Maker and His water.
Bless the coming and going of Him.
May His passage cleanse the world.
May He keep the world for His people.”
You intone.
One of you laughs, "The spice must flow!"
The rift snaps shut.
Not_Mafia was The Sixth Doctor,
Time Lord And Master (Jack of All Trades)
.
Spoiler:
You realize that it was Plottin Kittehs who laughed. Their Fourth Doctorish visage, signature scarf and all, melts away, leaving a different figure altogether.
Plottin Kitteh is The Master,
Unstable Nemesis Reborn
Spoiler:
The
Daleks
,
Plottin Kitteh
and Davros...I mean
Davsto!
...have won!
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
First Doctor
Third Doctor
Eleventh Doctor
Ninth Doctor
Davros
The Master
Sixth Doctor
Seventh Doctor
Tenth Doctor
Twelfth Doctor
Fifth Doctor
Second Doctor
Eighth Doctor
Soren - First Doctor
Rob13 - Third Doctor
Shiro - Eleventh Doctor (Revised due to PM glitch)
KuroiXHF - Ninth Doctor
Davsto - Davros
Plottin Kittehs - The Master (Revised due to PM glitch)
MormonCoffee - Sixth Doctor
FA_Q2 - Seventh Doctor
BROseidon - Tenth Doctor
Persivul - Twelfth Doctor
Frozen Angel - Fifth Doctor
Aristophanes - Second Doctor
Adaptive Heap - Eighth Doctor
Players and Roles in Sign-Up Order
Adaptive Heap - Eighth Doctor
Plottin Kittehs - The Master (Revised due to PM glitch)
Davsto - Davros
MormonCoffee - Sixth Doctor
FA_Q2 - Seventh Doctor
KuroiXHF - Ninth Doctor
Aristophanes - Second Doctor
Soren - First Doctor
Rob13 - Third Doctor
Persivul - Twelfth Doctor
Frozen Angel - Fifth Doctor
Shiro - Eleventh Doctor (revised due to PM glitch)
BROseidon - Tenth Doctor
Day and Night Actions
Day 1
BROseidon - Tenth Doctor (Neighborizer) - Plottin Kittehs (succeeds, starts N1)
Cheetory - Seventh Doctor (Courier) - none submitted
Rob13 - Third Doctor (Jailkeeper) - Jailkeeps Soren
Shiro - Eleventh Doctor (Art Redistributor) - sends https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... edited.jpg to RC/Aeronaut
KuroiXHF - Ninth Doctor (Loud FBI Agent) - Aeronaut (aeronaut is told he was targeted by KuroiXHF)
Not_Mafia - Sixth Doctor (srs joat) - Infinite Sight (cop) -investigates Shiro (learns Shiro is town)
Cheetory - Seventh Doctor (Courier) - none submitted
Aeronaut
RadiantCowbell
- Twelfth Doctor (FBI Agent) - investigates Cheetory (learns Cheetory is not SK)
Frozen Angel - Fifth Doctor (kidnapper) -
Aristophanes - Second Doctor (clowncar joat) - Parity-cop Aeronaut and Rob13 (learns they are the same alignment
Adaptive Heap - Eighth Doctor (BP) - no active ability
BROseidon Tenth Doctor (Neighborizer) - none while Plottin Kittehs are alive, so none!
Soren - First Doctor (Art Connoisseur) -
Rob13 - Third Doctor (Jailkeeper) - targets KuroiXHF
Shiro - Eleventh Doctor (Art Redistributor) -
KuroiXHF - Ninth Doctor (Loud FBI Agent) - Plottin Kittehs
Not_Mafia - Sixth Doctor (srs joat) - watches Rob13
Cheetory - Seventh Doctor (Courier) -
Aeronaut (FBI Agent)
RadiantCowbell
- targets Adaptive Heap, Aristophanes
Frozen Angel - Fifth Doctor (kidnapper) -
Aristophanes - Second Doctor (clowncar joat) - Scan for History (Cheetory, Davsto) randomized to: Scan for History (will fire on Cheetory)
Adaptive Heap - Eighth Doctor (BP) - no active ability
