Blitz 25: Super Mario uPick! (Koopa Troop victory!)

[RadiantCowbells]

Super Mario Mafia:

Votecount #3.40:

Aristophanes (2): Amihan, Fire Starter
Fire Starter (1): Aristophanes
Firebringer (0):
Heat (0):
BlueTrin (0):
Ranger (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Amihan (0):

Not voting: BlueTrin, Firebringer, Ranger, Heat, Frozen Angel

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-21 23:00:00).

Music:

SMG2: Puzzle Plank Galaxy

Notes:

Ground pound blocks to send them flying!

[Fire Starter]

Omg Heat you're so fucking dumb. JAILING only stops kills and prevents the target from PERFORMING actions.y fucking god.

[Fire Starter]

WHY NOT JUST OUT EVERYONE AND NOT BOTHER READING YOUR ROLE

[Heat]

ill explain later, I'm out at lunch w/the mother

[Fire Starter]

Middle finger to you too

[Aristophanes]

FS couldn't have targeted FA N1. I jail kept her

Jailkeep doesn't stop someone from being targeted.

Oh my god yes it fucking does!!!!!

You're thinking of roleblocker

No, Jailkeeper only protects and roleblocks a player.

The role that prevents a role from being targeted is Rolestopper.

Now you're latching onto anything you can to stay alive: Heat's misunderstanding, trying to go for a no lynch, and so on... lol.

Actually no.
Role stopper stops someone from being targeted.
Roleblocker stops someone from using their power.
Jailkeeper protects from kills, stops power usage, and in every case I've seen, stops the player from being targeted in general.

[Fire Starter]

One of us is scum because you say I'm Bob-omb and I say I'm Bombette.

I meant Ami. If I mean you I will say Aristophanes. Maybe I misread what FA said. I'm which case, never mind.

[Fire Starter]

Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien.

[Fire Starter]

Yeah, under a variation of a Jailor. Not typical and not what happened here since I got a result.

[Amihan]

I literally just linked the wiki for how Jailkeeper is used here: "Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien." That's a rare variant, not actually a jailkeeper.

Mod, what does a jailkeeper do?

[Aristophanes]

Let's wait on Heat and see.
He said he has an explanation.

I hope lunch is nice, Heat!

[RadiantCowbells]

It would depend on the variant of jailkeeper being used.

[Amihan]

Just did a quick search and in this Normal game, Aristo played with a Jailkeeper, was already informed that what he thought a Jailkeeper did was just a variant that was uncommon here:

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

Makes me think DK may have been a jailer who can kill their target at the end of the night, jailed Lapsa, and decided to kill him, getting shot by scum himself. I have seen this variant quite a few times.

No.

Informed is not a normal role, as far as I know. Thus I am the non-normal role. mini games can only have up to one non-normal role.

Okie dokie. Learning things as we go.

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?

I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).

Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.

No, a jailkeeper cannot kill.
Don't worry, "I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground", too.

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?

I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).

Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.

That variant, as far as I know, is only on sc2mafia.

[Aristophanes]

I literally just linked the wiki for how Jailkeeper is used here: "Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien." That's a rare variant, not actually a jailkeeper.

Mod, what does a jailkeeper do?

Where the hell did you get "rare" from!?

And it's been the variant I've always seen so no way it's rare!

And that question is bad.

RC, would you call the "alien" variant of a Jailkeeper a "Jailkeeper" when giving roles out?

That's a better question.
Let heat fund out what his role does, as the mod is unlikely to answer it in the thread.
(Heat, please clarify with the mod!)

[Amihan]

I did a quick search of RadiantCowbells' games he's modded, and while he hasn't had a Jailkeeper in one of them, he's usually stuck to the normal versions of roles, and has played with the normal version of jailkeeper. There is no precedent for RadiantCowbells deciding to use a role variant like that rather than a normal role with potential modifiers.

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: Ami's quoting from Sweet Dreams

Just did a quick search and in this Normal game, Aristo played with a Jailkeeper, was already informed that what he thought a Jailkeeper did was just a variant that was uncommon here:

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

Makes me think DK may have been a jailer who can kill their target at the end of the night, jailed Lapsa, and decided to kill him, getting shot by scum himself. I have seen this variant quite a few times.

No.

Informed is not a normal role, as far as I know. Thus I am the non-normal role. mini games can only have up to one non-normal role.

Okie dokie. Learning things as we go.

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?

I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).

Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.

No, a jailkeeper cannot kill.
Don't worry, "I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground", too.

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?

I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).

Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.

That variant, as far as I know, is only on sc2mafia.

This is all about a k Jailer who can kill, not one who blocks the target from being targeted.

Nice try though!

[Aristophanes]

I did a quick search of RadiantCowbells' games he's modded, and while he hasn't had a Jailkeeper in one of them, he's usually stuck to the normal versions of roles, and has played with the normal version of jailkeeper. There is no precedent for RadiantCowbells deciding to use a role variant like that rather than a normal role with potential modifiers.

How about we let the actual JK or the Mod tell us.

This is pathetic.

[Amihan]

Yes, but the variant you were assuming and already corrected about in that game was one that did both.

[Amihan]

I did a quick search of RadiantCowbells' games he's modded, and while he hasn't had a Jailkeeper in one of them, he's usually stuck to the normal versions of roles, and has played with the normal version of jailkeeper. There is no precedent for RadiantCowbells deciding to use a role variant like that rather than a normal role with potential modifiers.

How about we let the actual JK or the Mod tell us.

This is pathetic.

Translation: "Stop using logic, it's incriminating me! Everybody listen to Heat who will either still be confused or be scum, or the mod who clearly won't confirm anything!"

[Frozen Angel]

If you jail kept me I could have been investigated. I wasn't commuted or anything *facepalm*

Heat that claim was so shit. you better have a good explanation.

[Heat]

Y'all are whack

My role says I commute the target.

[Aristophanes]

I did a quick search of RadiantCowbells' games he's modded, and while he hasn't had a Jailkeeper in one of them, he's usually stuck to the normal versions of roles, and has played with the normal version of jailkeeper. There is no precedent for RadiantCowbells deciding to use a role variant like that rather than a normal role with potential modifiers.

How about we let the actual JK or the Mod tell us.

This is pathetic.

Translation: "Stop using logic, it's incriminating me! Everybody listen to Heat who will either still be confused or be scum, or the mod who clearly won't confirm anything!"

Lolnope
More like "We don't know and us theorizing about it is getting us nowhere.
You are making judgement leaps in order to push your point, and it is cluttering the thread, creating wine, and getting us nowhere.
Let's stop and see what happens after Heat has clarified his rol Ew and returned from lunch instead."

[Frozen Angel]

Y'all are whack

My role says I commute the target.

so why you said you jail kept me ?

[Aristophanes]

If you jail kept me I could have been investigated. I wasn't commuted or anything *facepalm*

Heat that claim was so shit. you better have a good explanation.

Y'all are whack

My role says I commute the target.

See, this is what I'm sayin'!

Let Heat clarify!

Now the god damned timing created more wine for you all!

Heat, vote FS the liar with me now, please

[Heat]

Role is jailkeeper
Description says I commute the target.