Mini 1768: Detective Conan Mafia (Game Over: Town Wins)

[Radical Rat]

Oh boy, this went much faster than either of my Newbie games prepared me for.

At any rate, I have read the thread, and caught up! I shall attempt to stay that way from now on.


I actually have Garmr as a Town read. Why? Because he reminds me of myself! See, in my Newbie and off-site games, I was consistently called scummy for "overreacting" while really just doing my best not to go down.

Now, Scourge on the other hand.... Scourge I don't like. I get a sense that he's sort of riding Nick's coattails, which isn't terrible, especially considering the quality of Mr. Wright's posts, but it's something to watch out for, and worth my vote for now.
VOTE: A Real Scourge

Also, is Not_Mafia really quitting over a role? Or was that an RVS joke?

[Radical Rat]

@Jeanne Requesting a votecount

[Radical Rat]

Because, the scum in this game are suspected of dealing SPEED.

Eh? Becuase... the drug? But also gotta go fast?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Phoenox Wright maybe both of them are TOWN??? You didn't consider that??

I don't like how defensive and tense they got right off the bat. It's just a feeling, but I think at least one of them is scum

if Nick had also listed the option of both of them being town, I would have called his post useless for avoiding putting down any opinion at all.

the fact that he put down the option of it being early scum distancing (instead of just saying 'lol there's at least one scum there) says to me that he's actually thinking about their alignments.

as for my stance on that vs... im not sure yet. tbh I felt the same as gamr when I saw the post saying how his RVS vote didn't advance the gamestate, but I held off to see what soren was looking for.

I dislike that Soren voted gamr for voting him, when game's reaction was similar to mine. Soren, what would a Townie reaction to your callout be? why do you think it's weird to interpret your post as an attack?

oh, good call. that sounds right.

honestly i think your Nick avatar is endearing me to you subconsciously or something.

Well, looking back a bit closely, it's really just a couple posts that gave me that impression. And they were fairly early on.


Guess that's a risk that comes with reading four pages in one sitting.

UNVOTE:

[Radical Rat]

Whoops, I didn't mean to quote that middle one. That was about someone else.

[Radical Rat]

Where's the contradiction with Soren's post there?
I'm inclined to agree that throwing random bull!@#$ at a player who is unconfirmed and has no other indication of even showing up to the game would not move us forward in the game.

Is the point of RVS not to get out of RVS?

[Radical Rat]

Okay, let's all take a breather here.

Getting pissy with each other isn't going to get us anywhere.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Barn

Here's what I see. Barn shows up and makes a post which appears to be designed to rub people the wrong way, and even attack a few people on a personal level, primarily Tails.

Suddenly, everyone's arguing and OMGUSing and getting nowhere. Precisely what scum wants, no?

[Radical Rat]

There be lots o' hedghog-like pirates on this voyage, so I'll be more clear:

VOTE: Rat who be thinkin' he's radical because the scurvy 'as settled deep in his brains

May I ask why? If it's the inactivity, that's because this level of activity is unprecedented in my severely limited experience( Two Newbie games here, and one Newbie one Theme on SmashBoards )

Gamr, lets talk about our mason chat.
Why aren't you talking in it?

Also, why are you feeling so townie to me?

This seems strange to me. As I understand it, the mason chat is a chat where everyone is Town and can communicate. A sort of Town Mafia, so to speak. Why would you need to question the towniness of a fellow Mason outside a bastard game? Or am I wrong on that point?

[Radical Rat]

Alright, I suppose that makes sense.

And Scourge, I'm fine going with Sonic for this game. If only my posting speed would reflect that, heh.

[Radical Rat]

Well, if he's Jester, we can just ignore him completely, right?

@Pirate Yarrrrgami

I'd still like you to elaborate on that scurvy accusation. It's a bit hard for me to explain whatever it is you saw if I don't know what it is.

[Radical Rat]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there Firebringer.

I can't see someone who makes a point to be obnoxious NOT being NKed by someone.

[Radical Rat]

From a gameplay perspective, they wouldn't.

From a human perspective, because that player's annoying and they have the best means of shutting them up.

[Radical Rat]

Not to mention the possibility of a third party kill, or a vig.

[Radical Rat]

Okay, so.................

In my defense, I'm not as fast as my icon might imply, so I'm reading these posts in chunks of about four pages. As such, I do tend to pass over things like Phoenix' post about the alignment speculation

As for Scourge... I was just wrong, and I admitted it. I can see why backing off quickly looks bad though.

And Garmr, who I presume is the armor-pirate( Though I thought that was a TIE fighter in his icon... ) I didn't pursue his voters for the same reason I defended him. I've been falsely accused for doing a lot of the same stuff, so having Town on his wagon wouldn't really surprise me.


Now for my offense/continued defense.

You say that irritating people on purpose isn't a sick scumstrat. But, in my mind, getting people emotional and aggressive would undermine their critical thinking process, thus making it easier/faster to get in mislynches. Am I wrong there?
And why would I consider the vote target of my top scumread, unless I was looking for a bus? It doesn't make sense for me to scumread Barn, so go after Phoenix.


Final words:
Garmr is almost certainly Town now. I can't fathom scum ever stopping a lynch, unless it was on their buddy.
As such my vote stays on VOTE: Barn of Justice. If they're scum, there may or may not be merit to the suspicion on Garmr. If they're Town, Garmr is basically cleared, and we'll have a much nicer rest of the game.
An eye should probably be kept on Kain, due to his erratic posting and accusations. Seems like his reads change on a whim to me, which is kinda sketchy.

[Radical Rat]

Wait, 4 is a hammer? I thought it was 7?

[Radical Rat]

It can't be. We have 13 players, and 4 is less than a third.

[Radical Rat]

Not_Mafia, you were already asked by a mod to cut that out. Why must you continue?

[Radical Rat]

I still think Kaintepes is a better lynch

On what grounds?
I agree he looks suspicious, but I'm not sure how to really follow up on his flip yet.

[Radical Rat]

You seem to be missing the part in the first quote where I said "unless it was on their scumbuddy"

Am I saying you're scum if Barn's scum? Nope. I'm just saying we can't discount the POSSIBILITY unless he flips Town.

I've still got a strong townread on you and it will take a good but of convincing before I lynch you.

[Radical Rat]

A good bit, sorry.

[Radical Rat]

Pardon my inexperience, but what does "branching with town" mean?

[Radical Rat]

What's the site meta on correlation between source alignments and game alignments?

I know on SmashBoards there was no such correlation, but I reason that question would be somewhat useless if that were the case here.

And if alignments here do mirror source material, might it be beneficial to claim characters en masse and go from there?

[Radical Rat]

Just claiming disguises shouldn't reveal abilities, right?

After all, someone has to be vanilla here, and while I've not watched Conan, I find it unlikely that an anime character fit the vanilla bill.

As such, I have no issue claiming my own character, without the role, if it helps give alignment insight.

[Radical Rat]

Alright then. Sorry to waste thread space with that, but now that I understand how it all works, I can work with it.

[Radical Rat]

I'd love to try out a hydra with you Scourge.

We'll work stuff out after this game so I don't overload myself B)

[Radical Rat]

Is that the second, unavoidable hammer?

[Radical Rat]

Not_Mafia probably needs to be investigated tonight...

About 487, I'm questioning the priority of a Kain lynch. If Barn somehow does turn out Town, Garmr is confirmed to be town as well.

Meanwhile, if Kain flips Town, I don't see any kind of similar connection to be made. It's just a mislynch.

On the scummier side of things, Barn MIGHT allude to Tails being scum with him( The "don't want to be in a game with him" comment ), but that's a very thin case I'm not comfortable pursuing just yet.

Kain's vote hopping also makes it difficult to find associations, but in either player's case a scum lynch D1 is worth it in itself. I simply find Barn to be more immediately useful.

In addition, starting a new wagon while Barn already had momentum would require something major in my mind, but I suppose it's a moot point now.

[Radical Rat]

Um Jeane11, could you start writing how many votes are need to lynch at the bottom of the vote counts? It would avoid confusion in the future

Bolding so it can be an

official request

[Radical Rat]

Well.

That was an unexpected flip.

Soren, why did you hammer that? We were all waiting on a claim, and by hammering you prevented us from saving Barn's life.
I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it, ending the day prematurely before the main wagon can even speak in their own defense, is scummy. VOTE: Soren


As for Garmr's kill, I don't think we can really read into it. I'll take the blame for him being targeted though, as I pointed out they'd be confirmed Town if Barn flipped Town. I told the Mafia they couldn't mislynch him, so they NKed him.

Guess that means no Doc too.

[Radical Rat]

Now Yarrrrgami is an interesting case. By telling us you were blocked, you tell us that

1. You're a PR
2. A Roleblocker is in the game.

As already mentioned, if that roleblocker is Town, you've just advertised their existence to the Mafia. Unless of course... that was your intention? After all, a

scum

PR wouldn't have to worry about being found out. And unless this game has daytalk, that's a quick way to alert your mafia buddy/buddies that you weren't able to perform your action.
Strange, isn't it?

Still, a rushed hammer is much more substantial, so I'll hold my vote for now.

[Radical Rat]

my scum ping comes from him not acknowledging this post at all

Radical rat was on the Barn of Justice mislynch wagon and Garmr was voting for radical rat. So after voting for radical rat, Garmr is dead. There might be a connection there. If a roleblocker isn't involved, I mean.

As for Garmr's kill, I don't think we can really read into it. I'll take the blame for him being targeted though, as I pointed out they'd be confirmed Town if Barn flipped Town. I told the Mafia they couldn't mislynch him, so they NKed him.
Guess that means no Doc too.

Are you sure about that, Mr. Wright? I may not have quoted it, but I did acknowledge it.

[Radical Rat]

Here be the funny thing, mr. rat, it wasn't us who the scurvy deckhand that disrupts other deckhands' duties be targeting. We simply know that somepirate was disrupted (an' who that was may be revealed later).

Of course, from the perspective of a scurvy dog who knows that neither he nor his buddies targeted us, it would seem like it was a non-scurvy deckhand who was disrupted us, even though no sensible non-scurvy roleblocker would target someone as clearly honorable and virtuous a seadog as ourselves.

I'm sorry, how can you know that? As far as I'm aware there's not a PR that tells whether someone was roleblocked...

[Radical Rat]

I'm afraid I must insist on a clearer explanation. The only explanation I can think of is that you're in contact with whoever WAS RBed. And this only makes sense if you're on a scumteam with them, and this game has daytalk.

VOTE: Yarrrrgami

I had you as a firm townread until this debacle, so what's going on here?

[Radical Rat]

Har! Ye caught me!

I be a scurvy seadog, and for no partic'lar reason, I decided to out that there be a non-scurvy roleblocker who targeted one of me buddies, thereby incriminating both myself and him.

You're right. That WOULD be utterly ridiculous... but then...

(the game does have the daytime parlayin' though, so ye be right about that, at least)

How would you know THIS if you weren't on the scumteam? Am I missing something in the OP, or do you have some kind of inside information?

[Radical Rat]

We obviously have a neighborhood. You're not a newbie-like landlubbing pirate, firebirdy lawyer.

What's a neighborhood? And what do you mean in that second sentence

A neighborhood is a group of players who can speak to each other, like masons, but without the benefit of knowing themselves to be all town.

Which means whoever was blocked is also in this neighborhood as well.
And that leads me to my next question.

You need not reveal who was blocked, but in your opinion Yarrrrgami, would it make more sense for this person to have been targeted by a Town roleblocker, or Scum roleblocker?


P-edit: Ninja'd, but so be it.

[Radical Rat]

579: Sonic i don't like how you're talking about the garmr kill here. you say we shouldn't read into it, but also that you have a good idea as to why garmr was killed.

What I meant by that was, it doesn't make sense to be drawing accusation connections when it's much more likely Garmr's death was simply because he was made unlynchable.
Ockham's Razor, y'know?

[Radical Rat]

Ye mean the fellow ye've been calling "Nick" for half the game, furry-seduction pirate?

Nick is a name used for Phoenix Wright in-game.

[Radical Rat]

Oh my god.

It's his.


NICK name.

[Radical Rat]

Foiled again. I'm the Mafia Punisher. Game's over folks.

Back to business.... If they think this phantom RBer is Scum, we might want to be seeking connections between accusations and blocks. If it's more likely the RBer is Town though, we should likely drop the subject altogether and keep them anonymous to do their work.

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579: Sonic i don't like how you're talking about the garmr kill here. you say we shouldn't read into it, but also that you have a good idea as to why garmr was killed.

What I meant by that was, it doesn't make sense to be drawing accusation connections when it's much more likely Garmr's death was simply because he was made unlynchable.
Ockham's Razor, y'know?

well, see, i get that (and in my last post, i agree with you) it's just that Nick was accusing you after reading into it, and then you told him not to do that. it.. doesn't really sound good, what i'm trying to say, when i put it into words? it just rubbed me the wrong way.

I understand your apprehension there, but I'm coming from a place where I KNOW it's wrong. So of course I'm going to try and dissuade people from that reasoning.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Soren

[Radical Rat]

but Soren's defense of it has just been 'he looked like scum' over and over

What would be a TOWN RESPONSE!!?!

Waiting for a claim when we already have someone literally waiting to hammer? Letting the day run its course so we can have full discussion? Literally anything other than a quickhammer?

I learned not to hammer prematurely in my very first Mafia game. The only time it even remotely makes sense is as scum.

[Radical Rat]

It's still an Anti-Town move and should be treated as such. At least until we get a decent explanation.

If you excuse everything scummy because "Town might maybe also do that sometimes" then how do you propose we find scum, hm?

[Radical Rat]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to live in a state of perpetual RVS. I refuse to let the fate of our Town rest in the hands of fate.

I recognize that you are far more experienced than I am, but I play Mafia for the strategy and the thought and the dramatic turnabouts.

To play by simply random lynching and hoping is to spit in the face of Maria's spirit, and I won't stand for it.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Radical Rat]

Thank you, Mr. Mafia

UNVOTE:

I still don't like Soren, but that's the first solid post from Not_Mafia all game.

[Radical Rat]

Thank you, Mr. Mafia

UNVOTE:

I still don't like Soren, but that's the first solid post from Not_Mafia all game.

i really disagree, but i've already explained why. i'm surprised you're fine with that, and aren't wondering why Not_Mafia's "first solid post" was made to defend Soren of all people.

I didn't say I agreed with him. I've already made my position quite clear. Anti-Town is Anti-Town.

However, I AM happy to see Not_Mafia actually playing the game. That's what that post was about.

[Radical Rat]

I don't know about that.

A double voter means scum could be lynched faster. It also means Town could be lynched faster, but I'd say it ultimately depends on if scum feels confident in their ability to direct that dual vote.

My guess is that as soon as Turtles gets a scum lynched, or close to it, they'll die that night.

[Radical Rat]

Doesn't giving scum a double voter seem kind of.... Unbalanced?

[Radical Rat]

I will say that I love Kagami's name for me.

Not so much its implications. But I do love that name.

[Radical Rat]

Hm. I just thought giving Scum both the NK and greater lynch influence would be a bit on the unfair side of things.

Though you do have a point with stopping a lynch there.

[Radical Rat]

I don't.

[Radical Rat]

RWBTHRBOBTSBWHB, aside from Soren who's scum?

You seem awfully sketchy yourself, though less so since you actually started posting real stuff, the fact that it took a melodramatic speech about Mafia Soul to get you to start is troublesome.

And then probably Kain. I get that the yelling thing is normal for him, but half of his posts sound like just trolling, and the other half are just random votes and shouting.

And then Tails is feeling a bit artificial toDay, and I don't like Yarrrrgami's crypticness. Those will be saved until there's either more evidence or we lynch three Scum and there's still more.

[Radical Rat]

You could say the same about this wagon. Several people thought Soren looked suspicious yesterDay, and all jumped on when something spooky happened.

[Radical Rat]

Where did my wagon even come from?

No one's given any solid reasons, aside from the mention that Garmr's vote was on me YesterDay, at least not that I've seen.

I know FireBringer and Scourge have found themselves uneasy about me, and I understand their individual complaints, but I don't see where Tails, Yarrrrgami and Not_Mafia are coming from here.

[Radical Rat]

Yes, but I still don't see what triggered that anywhere.

[Radical Rat]

Alright then, Yarrrrgami's vote goes into the somewhat reasonable pile.

[Radical Rat]

Opportunistic how? Because it wasn't the first vote?

And the "overjustification" is just me trying to keep my thought process clear.

[Radical Rat]

Gotta scum fast

I'll interpret that as your "vote randomly" thing.

I hope that works out for you.

[Radical Rat]

That puts me at... L-2? Or is Nick also voting for me and I should get a claim out?

[Radical Rat]

Oh, I forgot FireBringer.

Okay, so I'm L-1 which means time to claim.....

Yumi Miyamoto, Town Roleblocker.
I blocked Not_Mafia last night, as Yarrrrgami can probably confirm, unless there's a second, scummier Roleblocker in our midst, which is what I was trying to figure out earlier toDay.

[Radical Rat]

Anything else I want to be claiming? No, I think that covers it.

[Radical Rat]

I'm afraid not. Just a Roleblocker.

Did something else happen to Not_Mafia?

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, it says during nighttime I can PM who I want to block.

Nothing else but the usual win when all mafia are defeated thing.

[Radical Rat]

That's correct.
Why are you so certain otherwise?

[Radical Rat]

Okay.

CAPTAIN JEANNE! WHAT IT BE MEANIN' WHEN I BLOCK A PIRATE!?

[Radical Rat]

Unvote

I'm thinking this puts more points in the Kain scum pile. Going to sit more on this, but yeah.

Would now be a good time to share your findings with us? If nothing else we can agree/disagree with your logic.

[Radical Rat]

I don't think the mod will answer that haha

Shrugs. The mod answered Garmr when he asked in-thread.

[Radical Rat]

Gotcha.

[Radical Rat]

Because his constant trolling on Day 1 worried me.
I had concerns about Mafia trying to pull the ol' fake Jester, or perhaps even a third party up to no good.

[Radical Rat]

Well.

That was an unexpected flip.

Soren, why did you hammer that? We were all waiting on a claim, and by hammering you prevented us from saving Barn's life.
I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it, ending the day prematurely before the main wagon can even speak in their own defense, is scummy. VOTE: Soren


As for Garmr's kill, I don't think we can really read into it. I'll take the blame for him being targeted though, as I pointed out they'd be confirmed Town if Barn flipped Town. I told the Mafia they couldn't mislynch him, so they NKed him.

Guess that means no Doc too.

Phoenix, I want you to take a look at this.

And as for the quotes you selected, they're very paint by numbers and was not really adding anything of value. It would be easy for scum Sonic to say.

I actually do see what you mean now. That whole part before he voted seems phony. "I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it..." he was trying too hard with that. And then he said that we shouldn't read into the night kill even though that's one of the best ways to progress the game and figure out who might have done it. I also don't know why he assumed there was no doctor.

The "trying too hard" stuff is just my style. I see how it sounds phony, but I simply enjoy posting like that. You're free to check out my Newbies for similar stuff.

I think my comment about the nightkill is being misconstrued here. I meant it probably doesn't mean much about alignments, since Garmr was probably killed because he was made unlynchable.

As for no doctor, I made the assumption that because Garmr was cleared as Town, any Doc would have hopped on him. I suppose I could be wrong there, but I know I would have protected him.

[Radical Rat]

everyone seems to think Yarrrr is confirmed town

RWBTHRBOBTSBWHB, aside from Soren who's scum?

You seem awfully sketchy yourself, though less so since you actually started posting real stuff, the fact that it took a melodramatic speech about Mafia Soul to get you to start is troublesome.

And then probably Kain. I get that the yelling thing is normal for him, but half of his posts sound like just trolling, and the other half are just random votes and shouting.

And then Tails is feeling a bit artificial toDay, and I don't like Yarrrrgami's crypticness. Those will be saved until there's either more evidence or we lynch three Scum and there's still more.

Not everyone. Though I'm waiting until this whole "Special Roleblock" thing finishes to justify any real suspicion. Right now it's just "Town with an ehhhh feeling"

[Radical Rat]

Put me on record as officially supporting the Not_Mafia wagon, though again, I want to see where these roleblock shenanigans take us before I get too involved elsewhere.

Still waiting on word from Jeanne.

[Radical Rat]

Regardless, it be clear that runny-rat is truthful-like.

It sounds like this be an intentional variation by the greasy-hair first mate, so I be especially interested in whether runny-rat can be interferin' with sad-turtle pirate's deckhand duties.

I share this interest. We can test that out toNight.

In the meantime, do we have any neighboriser counterclaims?

If not, I'll VOTE: KainTepes given the generally erratic and illogical nature of his posts and votes, along with the fact that Soren has him as a townread for the very same reason.

I find it curious that one of the scum candidates would just happen to be townreading the other, particularly after Soren's wagon lost momentum, as opposed to during the wagon when I'd expect some form of reverse psychology.

[Radical Rat]

Kain

Explain this one.

Don't think he would troll as scum.

Isn't that the perfect reason to do it?

Not a good scum strategy.

By that logic, you're not Town because quickhammering isn't a good Town strategy.

To be fair, that IS one of the reasons I still scumread you, but when your logic leads to your own incrimination, there's a problem. It'd be one thing if you were convinced it WASN'T a bad Town move, but you acknowledged this yourself.

[Radical Rat]

On a more direct note, why wouldn't trolling be a good strategy?
You could get the Town afraid to lynch you for fear of the Jester's Revenge( patent pending ). You could even just have your scumminess ignored by "Don't listen to x, they're just a troll."

In addition, we have multiple reports that trolling is normal from Kain.

[Radical Rat]

Sonic, only bastard games have jesters! there's no reason to pretend to be a jester in a game like this.
also, sorry for the prodge, hopefully ill be back tonight.

hello Varsoon, thanks for taking over for Jeanne while she's away! i really like your games.

Really? Guess I haven't completely gotten unused to Town of Salem, where fake Jestering is a common practice.

The rest of that post still stands though.

[Radical Rat]

Pardon my recent inactivity, but it's time for some opinions.

FireBringer, why are you so certain about Soren? Just because you happened to share a read?

And both of you scumread FA immediately. Frankly, I can't really fault her for having such an admittedly dramatic reaction. She completely forgets about the game, and comes back to find everyone gunning for her lynch.

Until she gets content out, it's impossible to have anything but a null read.

So let's let her stick around a while. If she slips back into inactivity, or worse, becomes uncooperative, we lynch. But for now? Chill.

[Radical Rat]

actually, how are you different as scum? what do you do differently?

nothing

That's not true. We all behave differently when placed in different roles. At least, assuming we play to our win condition.

Perhaps you aren't aware of your personal differences. I know I'm not. Or perhaps, in the interest of protecting yourself in future games, you'd decline to share.

But to say there are no differences is blatantly untrue.

[Radical Rat]

Fair enough. Gut reads are a valuable tool, and Town United even more so. Just be careful, yeah?

[Radical Rat]

I didn't take that into account at all.

I don't know what his personal role preferences are, much less his alignment preference, so I ignored that comment.

[Radical Rat]

i <3 rat thing for this post. even if he did block our hood, no that it was used much anyways.

mollie? or kagami ?

That's Mollie. Kagami be speakin' in the tongue o' the sea.

[Radical Rat]

actually, how are you different as scum? what do you do differently?

nothing

That's not true. We all behave differently when placed in different roles. At least, assuming we play to our win condition.

Perhaps you aren't aware of your personal differences. I know I'm not. Or perhaps, in the interest of protecting yourself in future games, you'd decline to share.

But to say there are no differences is blatantly untrue.

then asked the people who said I burned them in my scum games. read my town games and tell me what makes me different in my scum games.

noone could have do that yet. I mean 21 people tried so far , no chance so far

Well 21 people are wrong. I could try, but odds are I wouldn't do much better, as I barely know you.

It's still simply impossible for you to play exactly the same town game as scum game. You're pursuing entirely different goals, with entirely different information, in an entirely different process. You CAN'T play the same.

[Radical Rat]

I didn't take that into account at all.

I don't know what his personal role preferences are, much less his alignment preference, so I ignored that comment.

I think I sort of covered this on d1.

I am unsure of not mafia but he is vote blocking with us but eh mebbe cos he was sheeping kagami. he said he hated his role and when asked in the hood about it he said he felt a neighbourizer was a very weak role. what i don't understand is why complain, not talk, then sheep us.

what i am really surprised at is no1 is grilling us on what went on in the hood. like that shld have been the first order of business the second it was outed.

I thought that would defeat the purpose of the neighborhood?

[Radical Rat]

I didn't take that into account at all.

I don't know what his personal role preferences are, much less his alignment preference, so I ignored that comment.

I think I sort of covered this on d1.

I am unsure of not mafia but he is vote blocking with us but eh mebbe cos he was sheeping kagami. he said he hated his role and when asked in the hood about it he said he felt a neighbourizer was a very weak role. what i don't understand is why complain, not talk, then sheep us.

what i am really surprised at is no1 is grilling us on what went on in the hood. like that shld have been the first order of business the second it was outed.

I thought that would defeat the purpose of the neighborhood?

neighbours aren't masons so you shld always grill the fuck out of them so that town has the same info that they do.

so why did you pick not mafia for the role block?

Because his trolling scared me. In particular, I was afraid of a third party.

[Radical Rat]

Because he gave off the impression of being scummy, without any of the coordination of a mafia member.

[Radical Rat]

It means you looked like you were just doing whatever. As of you couldn't care less what happened in the day phase, and were just waiting for night so you could do your thing.

[Radical Rat]

well RR how much exp do you have in mafia?

Sighs.

Is it too much to ask to have one Mafia game stay civil? Just one? No calling each other idiots, no "I don't wanna play with you anymore!!!"

Just a gang of folks lynching and murdering eachother with RESPECT.

[Radical Rat]

Oh whoops. Didn't mean to quote that.

[Radical Rat]

To answer FA's question though, four games on forums, there of which were newbies, two of which were here, and then like two years on Town of Salem.

[Radical Rat]

Three of which*

[Radical Rat]

goodbye town , sorry for lurking. it wasn't on purpose , My RL life just got extraordinary busy

after my flip lynch in my voters. that hammer was like the most honest vote I ever made in all my mafia games so far. I couldn't really handle this anymore...

If I were you I would have looked again to Yaragami , Kein and turtules

pedit : I will insult when someone is insulting me with shitposting

Im playing a forum game not managing a kindergarten

Im playing a forum game not managing a kindergarten

Im playing a forum game

a forum game

And that's all it is. A game.

[Radical Rat]

Kain. Let it go.

It's over, just leave her be for now. She's quite clearly upset and you're making it worse.

[Radical Rat]

Yes, I'm aware. If being in the presence of Mr. Tepes is so unbearable to you, you're no longer under any obligation to stay. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy this game, and I'm sorry it ended like this.

But you don't need to keep insulting him in-thread.

P-Edit: Kain, you're both part of the problem. Please just let it go.

[Radical Rat]

I kind of want to just replace out of this game.

Please try to stay a while longer. This will only last until Day's end. Hopefully not even that long.

We can get right back to the game, where you've been a very positive presence.

[Radical Rat]

Please, both of you, just CHILL.

[Radical Rat]

I also think Not_Mafia is Town as of now.

Unless neighboriser ISN'T Town-only...

[Radical Rat]

Oh.

In that case, make my read nulltown.

I like his content since he started playing, but I've still got bad vibes all over that Day One...

[Radical Rat]

Thanks Varsoon!

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Phoenix Wright

Explain

[Radical Rat]

@Scourge

I blocked KAINTEPES last night. Was the most suspicious at the end of the day.


Right now though... VOTE: Tails

Sorry, but I feel like you're really misrepping Phoenix here. I also saw FA's reactions to the wagon as being just legitimately frustrated, and I understand the townread. I don't see any of the hard defense or lining up lynches you're talking about.
Either come back with some quotes or unvote.

[Radical Rat]

i personally think there's a solid chance FA said what she did to get people to look on her wagon, either because they thought she was actually stressed/annoyed enough to out one or both of her buddies, or because she figured that people would think she was double-bluffing them.

the notion that she would say exactly the opposite of what was going on, that she was being bussed when in reality both of her partners were off the wagon, seems kind of silly because of how obvious it would be for scum to do that. i think FA is experienced enough to know that, and that's why she tried it.

but, i see why you're doing what you're doing, and i think it's a better avenue then Tails' case against Phoenix. Firebringer's vote that puts all the onus on Tails if it's wrong, i didn't like, and Soren simply hasn't talked about his vote yet.

Careful with the WIFOM there.

I think her being megabussed is actually consistent with her aggressive reactions. It's difficult to sort out what really was just anger at Kain's style( Which personally, I enjoyed, but ah well ), and what was in reaction to the wagon, but if she was surprise bussed by one or more of her partners, a lot of that volatility and frustration makes sense.

[Radical Rat]

As far as Turtles goes..... I'm at a flat null here. Their play is weak, but if, as is being claimed, one of the hydra heads disappeared, I can see the problem there.

Then again, the rest of us seem to be doing fine on our own, so I'm not sure.


The more I think about it though, having both a lynchstopper and a doublevoter on one side seems a bit.... peculiar. But idk. If Turtles is scum, they're really bad at it, and I don't exactly feel threatened letting them live for now.

[Radical Rat]

Also, HUGE thanks to Scourge for the unofficial votecounts.

[Radical Rat]

I defo wld like to know as to why soren is "obvstown".

fire can you explain?

Seconded.

[Radical Rat]

Sorens tone has been town. Thats what I have been seeing from his posts, Phoenix has been null to me entire game, so I am fine sheeping Tails who is another town read go for him.

ALso radical, your vote is almost as bad as Yarrgamis.

And why is it bad? Do YOU see all these accusations Tails is making? Perhaps you have some.................... quotes?

[Radical Rat]

Aren't you being opportunistic since public sentiment towards me is pretty low?
lol

You have half the game townreading you. That's not a low public opinion.

However, this post here has me rethinking my own townread on you...
But I'm waiting on Tails to get over here and explain himself.

[Radical Rat]

Well, there's myself, Soren, Tails, and you.

4/9 is basically half.

[Radical Rat]

I guess Tails might not, but people usually like when they get sheeped. Makes 'em feel good about themselves and all.

[Radical Rat]

I just realized something important, but I can't say it unless I claim...

Well, how important is it? If you've confirmed someone as scum, I'd say it's easily worth the claim. Otherwise, maybe wait until you get to L-1 for that.

[Radical Rat]

Aren't you being opportunistic since public sentiment towards me is pretty low?
lol

I wouldn't know. I just got back from the drugstore

you read enough apparently to vote him tho so why doncha know?

I felt totally midwestern when I typed that last part.

@ ratty

where I am going with fire is that I find the comment of him being unhappy with the game after we just snagged scum to be really strange and out of place. I try to look at the motivations behind posts cos that is where you can the tidbits of alignment and I am genuinely confused as to why he wld feel that way towards this game if he were town. WE JUST HIT SCUM.

like I am pretty excited about that and it has gotten my head into the game.

That's a solid point, really. The whole rest of the game he's looked... almost TOO town though.

I'll look into that after Tails shows up for the ULTRA GRILL.

Speaking of grills though, how's the ol' Neighborhood been?

[Radical Rat]

I just realized something important, but I can't say it unless I claim...

Well, how important is it? If you've confirmed someone as scum, I'd say it's easily worth the claim. Otherwise, maybe wait until you get to L-1 for that.

Either I messed something up or someone else lied

In this game, I'd say it's probably the latter. Up to you if it's worth a claim, though you might have to soon anyway.

[Radical Rat]

( This game being Mafia in general, not this particular game. )

[Radical Rat]

That's a solid point, really. The whole rest of the game he's looked... almost TOO town though.

I'll look into that after Tails shows up for the ULTRA GRILL.

Speaking of grills though, how's the ol' Neighborhood been?

ratty

varsoona reopened the hood briefly and then it was immediately reclosed by jeanne. and then not mafia died.

So it's permanently out of commission? Damn, I'm sorry, didn't mean to kill your hood...

[Radical Rat]

Um okay... So, I'm Miwako Satou, the town jailor. I jailed Not Mafia last night so I was surprised when he died. I thought that I was role blocked, but then I saw this post.

@Scourge

I blocked KAINTEPES last night. Was the most suspicious at the end of the day.


Right now though... VOTE: Tails

Sorry, but I feel like you're really misrepping Phoenix here. I also saw FA's reactions to the wagon as being just legitimately frustrated, and I understand the townread. I don't see any of the hard defense or lining up lynches you're talking about.
Either come back with some quotes or unvote.

Of course my first thought was that he was lying. But if he was lying about who he role blocked then why is he kind of defending me and encouraging me to share my information? If he was scum he'd have to know that I was onto him. I looked back at the pm I sent the mod last night and realized that when I sent in my night action I accidentally wrote "Conan night 1" instead of night 2 in the title. So it's possible that the mod didn't realize that it was my night action for night 2 and it didn't go through. I forgot to jail anyone on the first night :/

Okay, so I definitely did not block you. I thought you had something on Firebringer since that's where you voted.
Probably a mod error then, but I can easily see where this would make you skeptical of me.

[Radical Rat]

I'm pretty sure you would have been specifically told you were blocked if so.

[Radical Rat]

Did you send in the night action to Varsoon or Jeanne? Because Jeanne took over pretty quick after Night started.

[Radical Rat]

I'm still not seeing what you're going for Tails. Mentioning a town read is far from a hard defense.

And if NM was on the wagon, wouldn't he benefit more from going with FA's bus thing rather than questioning it?

[Radical Rat]

jailkeepers don't receive feedback, so he wouldn't have been told if he'd been roleblocked. and it sounds like he sent it to jeanne. he should just ask her if his action was submitted on night 2 or not.

process of elimination, Tails. there's no reason to think he's town, but there are reasons to think other players are town. and your Phoenix case doesn't make him scum either, as i've explained.

that's an interesting choice, Turtles. why'd you ignore my request for your complete reads?

I'm like 99% sure you get told if your night action was incomplete for whatever reason... roleblocker or immunity or anything else. Do you not?

[Radical Rat]

So in the end, you have no reason why Turtles is scum. Yet when I say that I see reasons to see he's not scum, you criticize me. Yeah...

That's not at all what Scourge said. She said it's process of elimination, which IS a reason for Turtles to be scum.
And while I agree that a mafia double voter seems kinda sketchy, I don't see it as turning scum into an omnipotent force of destruction like you're claiming.

My null read on Turtles has yet to move, but my scumread on you grows stronger by the second.

[Radical Rat]

Faking newbiness seems like a breach in ethics to me... idk what all the rules on that stuff is though.

[Radical Rat]

rules on that stuff are*

[Radical Rat]

Faking newbiness seems like a breach in ethics to me... idk what all the rules on that stuff is though.

This is mafia, where your supposed to lie. Why is lying about being a newbie unethical?

There's a difference in lying about your role/actions/reads and lying about circumstances outside of a game.

I'd be fine with just ACTING like a newbie, but to just blatantly claim that you're not... idk, I'd prefer for the game to stay in the game, not lead to me questioning the players' personal trustworthiness.

[Radical Rat]

Eh, it's a small thing, but I suppose if the general consensus is that it's fine, I won't bother with it.

[Radical Rat]

Yes, yes, back to business.

Tails is scum, Turtles might also be.

Let's get crackin'

[Radical Rat]

So in the end, you have no reason why Turtles is scum. Yet when I say that I see reasons to see he's not scum, you criticize me. Yeah...

That's not at all what Scourge said. She said it's process of elimination, which IS a reason for Turtles to be scum.
And while I agree that a mafia double voter seems kinda sketchy, I don't see it as turning scum into an omnipotent force of destruction like you're claiming.

My null read on Turtles has yet to move, but my scumread on you grows stronger by the second.

Except PoE isn't a reason to call my stance on Turtles, which is legitimate, crap. It's just as valid, given that Scourge doesn't have a case. PoE is not a case. It's just "Well, I'm just down to this person because I've ruled everyone out.". And if that's Scourge's only reason, then he can't then get all huffy that I'm ruling Turtles out as scum based on setup spec. If Scourge had other reasons, that'd be different. Otherwise, this goes down to a difference of opinion, which I would think Scourge would see and go "Well, whatever." and just leave it at that. Otherwise, it falls to him to convince me

why

Turtles is scum outside his say so.

Why is PoE not a case? If everyone else is Town, whoever's left MUST be scum. That's irrefutable logic. As for your reason they're Town, it's based solely on your opinion of what makes a scum super broken. While I also find a scum double voter to be powerful, like I've said many times now, I doubt it's nearly as omnipotent as you say.

And frankly, giving the town both a double voter and a lynch stopper seems even less balanced.

But I'll leave all the balance stuff behind until I have actual posts to go off of. Meanwhile we have you pushing a case with almost no backing and defending Turtles with equally little.

[Radical Rat]

like, game-wise, you have Turtles as null. his play has not indicated alignment to you one way or the other, yes? if it had, you would have talked about how towny he was day 1, or something. so yeah, null.

you've ruled him out as scum (bad) based on setup spec (which is never 100% on the best of days and it wasn't even good setup spec). it's a difference of opinion yeah and your opinion is very bad. you've been talking all game about how there wouldn't be a scum double voter and it just sounds like you're trying to convince us.

like do i need to go over

again

how much you're overestimating the power of a scum double voter? town doesn't need Jesus to combat that. i mean, you have no way of knowing if the double vote power even

works

in lylo. you're not considering the sheer number of ways a mod could set up a game.

Mod confirmed during D1 that double vote does NOT work in lylo.

[Radical Rat]

nah, Jeanne confirmed that Turtles can't use his double vote to lynch two players at once. she hasn't confirmed anything about whether it works in lylo and Turtles never answered the question when Yarrrrgami asked because he was 'afraid of being nightkilled'. for being a double voter. actually come to think of it people have been attributing too much power to the double vote this entire game. it's not that debilitating.

I thought for sure she said something about that, but looking back she has not. I guess I saw someone speculating that and misattributed the memory?
Whatever.

I guess I'm not really opposed to Turtles lynch, but it's a darn shame to be putting this much pressure on someone inactive... but then again, maybe they're hiding and this will bring them out.
VOTE: Turtles of Despair

[Radical Rat]

jokes aside your role reasons are still wrong and i can't explain this any better than i have, so yeah i'm gonna fight you.

Tails have you noticed that while i'm trying to convince everyone, the only one i'm fighting this hard is you? if you just had Turtles as null, that'd be one thing, but you're not even considering the possibility. instead you're relying on setup spec that is still wrong, and not considering otherwise, and that's NO GOOD
*high fives Sonic, heelies out of the room*

Fun fact: I actually own a pair of Heelys. Also got some Soap Shoes because I'm literally Sonic the Hedgehog.

[Radical Rat]

Soren, you've been lacking in content all game. A quick one-line post after pages of content isn't going to cut it.

[Radical Rat]

SuperTown List:
Scourge
Yarrrrgami
Phoenix

Town List:
Firebringer

Scum List:
Tails

Please For The Love Of The Town Post Something List:
Turtles of Despair
Soren
KainTepes

[Radical Rat]

I don't have him as null. I have him as Please For The Love Of The Town Post Something.

He hasn't said a word all day, and that's... unusual for him.

[Radical Rat]

I just said I don't have him as null.

I'd put him in the scum pile with you, but Please For The Love Of The Town Post Something fits more for the current situation.

[Radical Rat]

SuperTown List:
Scourge
Yarrrrgami
Phoenix

Town List:
Firebringer

Scum List:
Tails

Please For The Love Of The Town Post Something List:
Turtles of Despair
Soren
KainTepes

How is Pheonix and Yarrrgami super town?
I mean, I have a town lean on Yarrr, but as of lately is been...challenged.

They've been honest, cooperative, active, and helpful all game.
You also have for most of it, but recent events have lessened my faith in you, while I find myself continuing to agree with Phoenix and Yarrrrgami.

[Radical Rat]

I mean cooperative as in willing to share information and being open when questioned.

As opposed to getting all secretive and defensive, trying to hide their master plan.

[Radical Rat]

Yes. It is. See, sometimes actions are multiple things at a time.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: RADICAL RAT

Is that all you have to say? We have what, ten pages of new content, and you just drop a vote with no reasoning whatsoever?

[Radical Rat]

jailkeepers don't receive feedback, so he wouldn't have been told if he'd been roleblocked. and it sounds like he sent it to jeanne. he should just ask her if his action was submitted on night 2 or not.

process of elimination, Tails. there's no reason to think he's town, but there are reasons to think other players are town. and your Phoenix case doesn't make him scum either, as i've explained.

that's an interesting choice, Turtles. why'd you ignore my request for your complete reads?

I'm like 99% sure you get told if your night action was incomplete for whatever reason... roleblocker or immunity or anything else. Do you not?

erm. who told you this. cos they are very very wrong. a jk wld NOT be told if he was blocked or not the only pple who receive notification as to whether they were blocked are pple with roles that are dependent on on a result from their night action from the mod.

Well, I used to play a lot of Town of Salem, where regardless of your night action, you're told if anything interfered. Whether you were roleblocked, target was jailed, target was immune, anything except transporter( I think bus driver in FM? ) really. You also get told if people attempted to do anything to you that you're unaffected by.

[Radical Rat]

Pirategami: Do you honestly think that town has both a roleblocker and a JK?

So, having a roleblocker and a JK on Town is crazy OP.
Having a double voter on mafia is crazy OP.

So... if both are true, your set up spec makes everything check out for Turtles to be scum, and Phoenix and I to be Town, no?

Unless... your read on someone who's been absent for over half the game is strong enough to make you SURE Turtles is Town...

[Radical Rat]

busy today will catch up another time

You've said that like... every day.
If you're busy, you're busy, and I understand that, but it won't be long before you run out of "another time"s. Please try to find free time in between whatever you're doing today and get some reads or questions out if you can.

[Radical Rat]

Pirategami: Do you honestly think that town has both a roleblocker and a JK?

I am getting around to that but I prioritize in thread play over set spec since the pple who do set up spec tend to get it wrong.

town role pm>>>>town motivation>>>>town posts

How about: town JK sees roleblocker claim>>>>town response is to see that as impossible given role>>>>suspicion ensues

Phoenix did none of that. What now?

Now, without meanin' any offense to the chain of command, I'm not entirely confident that the captain and first mate have an especially strong sense of balancin' voyages, especially since there clearly be a lack of communication between them on how deckhands be interacting. Nevertheless, it be very reasonable to me that there be both a non-scurvy brigwatcher and non-scurvy duty-disrupter, until there be evidence of real strength amongst the non-scurvy buccaneers.

[Radical Rat]

Okay, let's take another route. My role in conjunction with Sonic's counters Phoenix. There is no way he's town.

Well, that brings up the obvious question of just what your role is and how it synergizes with roleblocker in such a way that a JK is impossible.

[Radical Rat]

best not to press that, Sonic. we can do it tomorrow. no need to have Tails claiming as well when he hasn't been run up.

I wasn't gonna press for it, but he brought it up as a way to prove Phoenix' scumminess.
If he won't share, I'd prefer he find a different, non-setup argument.

[Radical Rat]

Well. The only way to find out is to get a flip from one of them.

Right now, I'm feeling like Turtles because I happen to have very solid Townread on Phoenix, and Scourge is right in that there's very little Town in the iso, and just skipping an entire day seems wonky.
Plus they seem to be selectively lurking. They show up whenever Scourge digs something up, then vanish when questions get asked.

Now, if we'd like to let them do their thing a bit longer, I'm also not opposed to lynching you, Soren, or Kain.

[Radical Rat]

Scourge, don't blame yourself. It takes more than one person to piss off an entire game.

I think all of us are just so deeply ingrained in our own reads that we're not being receptive to anything else.

The day's only just begun so let's follow Mollie here and sort some people.

VOTE: FireBringer
No prodging allowed, punk.

[Radical Rat]

You keep saying I'm confirmed scum but you don't have anything to back that up. Stop embarrassing yourself

Doctor, JK, Roleblocker. Not all of those claims are town. And I'm going to put my money on the claim that is countered by two others.

Your doctor claim hasn't been confirmed so why should we believe you? Has the roleblocker been confirmed yet?

Actually, I have.

But Y'know.

[Radical Rat]

Unrelated, but possible comic relief?

When I read "Dr, JK, Roleblocker" my sleep-deprived brain read it as J.K. Rowling at first.

Truly the mind is a.... Magical.... thing.

[Radical Rat]

Shit, that was worse than the nickname post.

[Radical Rat]

Turtles is confirmed, eh?

In that case, now seems a good time to bring up one of RADICAL RAT'S RADICAL AND CONTROVERSIAL EXPERIMENTAL TACTICS

Let's NOT lynch Turtles tonight. They're confscum, so all we have to do is ignore them completely, and be a bit more careful about L-2.

Then, we focus our efforts on finding the other scum. Either Phoenix or I will keep Turtles roleblocked, forcing the other scum to do the killing. Then if we hit mylo/lylo, we lynch Turtles immediately, with no chance of scum slipping out and pulling a last second win.

[Radical Rat]

My favorite lynch target for today is Tails. His insistence that Turtles absolutely 100% had to be Town, based solely on setup spec that was clearly incorrect makes me confident in my scumread there.

FireBringer is also a good one, given his sudden apathy following the game's first scumlynch. Kain also fits this category, but FireBringer smells slightly scummier because of the Tails sheeping.

Soren, I'd be alright with, but their absence has been consistent all game so, just... Whatever, I suppose.

[Radical Rat]

That be a profoundly terrible idea.

That's the reaction I usually get when I bring up this concept. But it's still an experiment I'd like to try, at least once. Just see how it works.

[Radical Rat]

Perhaps you should think it through a little harder. Just because something is different doesn't mean it's worth trying.

That be a profoundly terrible idea.

That's the reaction I usually get when I bring up this concept. But it's still an experiment I'd like to try, at least once. Just see how it works.

there's no reason not to just kill Turtles, though? like you haven't given one. leavin him alive doesn't help us except to give scum more options.

The reason is if we reach lylo before finding the other scum, we have a confirmed lynch right there. Anyone who opposes the lynch then is basically claiming scum, and there's a 0% chance of a sneaky maneuver for scum to pull out the victory.

[Radical Rat]

Maybe I'm wrong and it won't work out that way. But you never know until you try, yeah?

I've given a more in-depth explanation in my last game when I brought this up.

[Radical Rat]

Will I be told if I am jailed? Or will we be relying on trust?

[Radical Rat]

Yes one does know, because ye can simply think through why waiting until mylo/lylo is incredibly stupid. I be in a generous mood, so I'll explain it to you.

Firstly, they be a double voter. If they be alive at the end of the voyage, they simply win.

Secondly, they will give no useful interactions. There is no benefit to leaving them alive. If we lynch them, then scum will kill a pirate, confirming that pirate as non-scurvy, and allowing us to sort out who the last scurvy dog is with one fewer pirate of uncertain scurvyness relative to what we'd have if we leave them alive.

Thirdly, there is a massive advantage, especially given the organization of this voyage, to having only one scurvy dog alive at night. We have three deckhands available who become very close to Cops once there is only one scurvy scoundrel left. Your nonsensical plan involves one of those deckhands throwing away their role every night for what appears to be no gain whatsoever.

1. A double voter who doesn't work in LyLo.
2. The benefit's a free lynch waiting in case of emergency
3. There would essentially still be only one scum left of we keep Turtles blocked at all times. That also eliminates the whole "Well, Phoenix and I both blocked different people. Which is scum???" if we only have one blocking role scumhunting.

Regardless, I'll leave it alone for now. I'd need the full participation of the Town for that plan to work, and I'm not getting it any time soon.

[Radical Rat]

That be a profoundly terrible idea.

lol, in case it is not obvs kagami and I have radically different approaches.

RADICALly different, ye say?

[Radical Rat]

Will I be told if I am jailed? Or will we be relying on trust?

You will not be told, and you won't be jailed because you'll be blocking the firebirdy lawyer.

There is no trust beyond the trust that non-scurvy pirates will do as they're told.

Unless JK resolves first.

[Radical Rat]

It's very possible that the captain uses standard NAR, which means that we learn nothing certain if you target elsewhere.

What's NAR?

[Radical Rat]

Oh I asked the mod and I don't have me double prods in Lylo.
~Bee

[Radical Rat]

I mean... I guess Beeboy could have lied there, but it seemed genuine at the time. So genuine, I even mistook it for an official mod post earlier.

[Radical Rat]

I mean... I guess Beeboy could have lied there, but it seemed genuine at the time. So genuine, I even mistook it for an official mod post earlier.

Gosh, why would he be lyin' about that? What seems genuine about it?

He could have lied so we wouldn't have any issues with him getting into lylo.
But then, in the context of the conversation, it seemed like they legitimately weren't sure, so they asked and let us know. At the time I didn't even think to question it, but now that he's confscum perhaps we should...

[Radical Rat]

If ye have an alternative, feel free to be all vocal-like about it, firebirdy lawyer pirate.

Let us roleblock/jail anyone and let a real scourge decide which one of us he wants to track. So he can confirm that we really blocked the person we said we blocked. And we shouslnt announce who we're gonna block before hand because if they're town then the Mafia might kill that person and make the blame go on us.

So then the scurvy dogs can still no kill and "frame" two pirates, and pirates who we may otherwise not want to send down the plank.

Also if rat is scurvy, he can just block you and kill scourge.

And if you're scurvy, you can block rat and kill scourge.

And is scourge is scurvy, he knows he isn't getting blocked and kills one of you.

If Tails really is the doc though, Scourge would be the obvious target to protect. So that plan wouldn't work.

[Radical Rat]

I really don't see a no kill happening.

I'd wager that last scum is pretty spooked right about now, and we can expect to see the major players start dropping like flies. Yarrrrgami or Scourge will likely be first, depending on A) If Tails really is a doctor, and B) Who a non-Tails scum thinks Tails would heal more.
Following those two, I'd die if Tails is scum, or Tails if he's telling the truth. And then we have a lylo of either Phoenix, Firebringer and Tails, or Phoenix, myself and FireBringer.

[Radical Rat]

Prod doget.

Now you stop that nonsense, and get in here with some content, or replace out.

[Radical Rat]

Toothless Firebringer = One of my favorite players of the game
Charmander Firebringer = ....Disappointing, to say the least.

[Radical Rat]

Does the captain have any plans of publicly acknowledging an error?

ftr a mod cannot publicly confirm or deny something that wld confirm or deny a role claim.

Looks like its since been deleted, but Jeanne did confirm my RBer claim when we were trying to figure out if there was anything unique about it.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Turtles of Despair

[Radical Rat]

Don't worry Mollie, Fire is at the top of my lynch list, excluding Turtles, right now.

[Radical Rat]

Eh.... sorry about that Tails.

I guess I got a bit ahead of myself when I questioned your role.

If all goes well though, we've got a 2/3 chance of stopping the Mafia dead in their tracks.

[Radical Rat]

Phoenix, I think we should co-ordinate our blocks, just to make sure we don't block the same person. That way, if a kill does happen, we have a prime suspect immediately.

As the least certain read I have, I'd like to propose Soren as the chosen one, free to perform whatever role they have as they please.
As for who each of us takes as the block, I'm not sure. I guess you should take the one most Townie, since you also get protection is. I'm leaning Fire for scum, so are you cool with jailing Kain?

[Radical Rat]

Eh.... sorry about that Tails.

I guess I got a bit ahead of myself when I questioned your role.

If all goes well though, we've got a 2/3 chance of stopping the Mafia dead in their tracks.

don't forget that Nick could be scum as well! if so, the chances are more like 1/4 and that's if the kill goes through tonight. there are a lot of variables.

but yeah should i hold onto my track result? ofc I would if i was sure i wouldn't die, but im not.

Well, "if all goes well" means Nick is Town.

As for your track result.... idk. If it's from Fire, let us hear it, because that would mean he's a PR that's not a strongman. Otherwise, probably fine to hold onto it.

[Radical Rat]

mmk it was Soren who i checked. should i ask him who he targeted? i wonder when he'll be in the thread next, tho

If you have a result, there's no point in asking. The only possible response would be the truth, so might as well just say it now.

[Radical Rat]

I was voting for pressure, to try to get Fire to post... anything, really. Not giving up on a Turtles lynch.
Speaking of which...

Requesting forced replacement of Firebringer
After literally posting that he does not intend to play the game anymore and simply "prodge" I'd like to have an actual player in here, helping discussion, throwing out ideas, etc.
I tried to get actual content, but to no avail. This is deliberate obstruction of the game, and I request that it be dealt with.

[Radical Rat]

Requesting forced replacement of Firebringer
After literally posting that he does not intend to play the game anymore and simply "prodge" I'd like to have an actual player in here, helping discussion, throwing out ideas, etc.
I tried to get actual content, but to no avail. This is deliberate obstruction of the game, and I request that it be dealt with.

I would force replace those who ask for someone to force replace.
Because you know, rude.

Then perhaps you should actually try playing the game. Just because things didn't go however you thought they should have is no excuse to just sit and do nothing.

[Radical Rat]

I'm sorry if I offended you Firebringer.

It's just that nothing pisses me off more than the people who pull that "Fuck it, I'm not playing anymore" garbage.
I likely overreacted with the force replace request though, and I apologize.

But PLEASE, play the game you signed up for.

[Radical Rat]

Can we end the day already?

I don't know, ask all the punks who aren't voting.

[Radical Rat]

Argh, damn it, apologies again.

This has been a really salty D3 for me.

[Radical Rat]

My turn to report? I blocked FireBringer, as planned.

Meaning Soren's the only one unaccounted for last night...

[Radical Rat]

My N2 block was Kain.

[Radical Rat]

What gets me though.... Why kill Phoenix? Tails would be the obvious choice, as he's keeping Scourge, our main source of guilties, alive... Yarrrrgami is also a threat because being the last hydra, they have two minds working together to find them.

Phoenix and myself seem like a final kill before lylo, so... Why now?

[Radical Rat]

Farewell pudding pirate.

VOTE: Soren

[Radical Rat]

Yes ma'am. Sorry, didn't know we were waiting on anything.

[Radical Rat]

UNVOTE:

[Radical Rat]

I want to lynch Soren today.

I'm sorry Mollie, but the Phoenix kill is strange enough for a normal scum, let alone an ascetic. Soren is the only lynch that makes sense today. IF Soren comes up Town, THEN we can consider ascetics.

[Radical Rat]

Do we have anything else to sort out before the lynch?

[Radical Rat]

I blocked Yarrrrgami. They were the last one left who was unclaimed( as a PR ) and hadn't been blocked yet.

Which means Mollie was probably right about the last scum being ascetic... Mollie was certain that Firebringer was scum, and it looks more likely than ever now.

Scourge, can you clear him, or should we lynch and pray?

[Radical Rat]

Kain, you've been saying that since FA was lynched. Yet you never elaborate on why.

[Radical Rat]

They were the only ones left TO block. Plus, in one of their posts they asked me to.

[Radical Rat]

I be fine with makin' pudding-pirate walk the plank.

If he be non-scurvy, then runny rat blocks us, furry-seduction pirate tracks runny rat and tails protects furry-seduction again.

[Radical Rat]

If he be non-scurvy, then

runny rat blocks us

[Radical Rat]

I'm choosing to give Tails the benefit of the doubt so we don't get rid of the only thing keeping you alive. If I block him and you die, that blows up in my face and we mislynch again. If we lynch him, our only hope is that the Mafia actually DOESN'T have any basis behind their kills and is just randomly picking us off.

So I'd prefer he be in our final three, when that decision is made plain for me.

[Radical Rat]

Of course... If he is scum, that explains why he's still alive. But even that will be much more telling in final three.

[Radical Rat]

Ideally though, we end it here and now.

Yarrrrgami thought it was Firebringer. But I have a crazy theory that leads to Kain...

[Radical Rat]

Both of them more or less lost interest in the game after we hit the first scum, though Fire was much more verbally displeased.

But then while Fire just flat didn't play for a while, Kain dropped a vote with no context and left, multiple days.

And then the Yarrrrgami kill... Kagami explicitly directed me to block them, and you to track me. Which means the Killer would have known you'd be tracking me to Yarrrrgami, and made the kill to frame me.

This then links to Kain because I happen to be the one he's dropped votes on, and when pressed for an explanation, uses that very logic, claiming that if I did block them, it was a scumblock.

[Radical Rat]

I'm not voting until we get everyone but the lynch target on the same page though. We're too close to blow it on a mostly now.

[Radical Rat]

Blow it on a mislynch now*

I'm surprised my autocorrect hasn't caught on to hip mafia lingo yet...

[Radical Rat]

The only scum who benefits by keeping you alive is Scourge herself

But at this point, I'd need to see a scum role PM to be convinced that she isn't Town

[Radical Rat]

Well, I actually didn't announce it in thread.

Yarrrrgami just requested it, I never formally stated I would be following that direction.

[Radical Rat]

Actually, I still have a use if the last scum is ascetic.

I block whichever of Fire and Kain we don't lynch, Scourge tracks THEM, and you protect Scourge.

If they move, they're ascetic and we lynch.

If not, it'd have to be either you or Scourge, and You're much more likely.


Having these results is important because toMorrow we can NOT mislynch. We need to be 100% certain who to lynch, if we miss toDay.

To that end, we should keep all three of us PRs alive, and lynch an alleged vanilla today.

[Radical Rat]

My bad, I thought ascetic only meant unblockable.

In that case, I'm about as useful as a VT now, if I just don't block people. Which is my plan if tracking an ascetic IS useless.