Mini 1768: Detective Conan Mafia (Game Over: Town Wins)

[Turtles of Despair]

Found myself a scum.
VOTE: gamr

Waiting for my other head before I dig too deep into this game.
~Bee

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Just noticed that 3 people haven't posted yet

Can you give me your town and scum reads?
~Bee

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fire Birdo

Encouragement vote go!

~Bee

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UNVOTE:

I haven't consulted my other head about this read but this guy is trying so hard and is pinging me so hard I have vote him twice.

VOTE: Garmr
VOTE: Garmr

Garmr has been incredibly awkward this game.

~Bee

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Garmr

I decided you only deserve one vote for now.

~Bee

[Turtles of Despair]

Hiya guys, I just came in. Sorry for being incredibly slow, going to take some time to read.

~ kirro

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This is so conflicting. If you haven't read then how dors Garmr seem like he's trying too hard to you?

We are a hydra which is when 2 people are playing on the same account. Since I have 0 patients I was posting on my own

~Bee

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I'm not actually seeing bee's read on Garmr. Will probably discuss with him before I get back.

Kain seems new, and I don't think he would deliberately attract attention like this as scum. I've seen him post elsewhere before and it tends to be similar, so I'm not inclined to take it as a tell.

@Phoenix: Do you still believe that one of Garmr/Soren is scum?

~ kirro

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i was trying to decipher that reads post, but.. i got as far as Armor being Turtles of Despair, maybe? am i the furry? i know the lawyer.. loud-pirate is probably laharl (Kain Tepes).. okay, i don't know who cake-pirate is.

I am gonna straight be straight up with you, I don't always know what kagami is saying either. she talks like this in our hydra pt an I just sort of nod my head and type out "sure" and let her do her thing and try to not get in her way altho I am not always sure where her way is.

but love reading her speak tho. I did get that fa is a townread of hers which I am good with, I think. I need to see more of fa tho.

gutwise I donnae like kain I think.

Instead of signing your posts feel free to continue to speak regularly if Mollie is posting and as a Pirate if Kagami is posting.
I will enjoy this game a lot more if you do.

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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???

What are your thoughts on the game outside of FireBirdo being scum?

[Turtles of Despair]

oh I just think a phoenix is a FireBird
Firebringer is FireDragoon

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kirro pointed out to me that scum reading Soren and Garmr didn't make sense so. She also has a town read on Garmr so I really should move my vote.

VOTE: Soren
VOTE: Soren

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Turtles of despair, what are your reads?

Well me and Kirro got like 0 synergy right now because Kain is weird af right now but she has experience with him and says he is town so I will go with that.

Phoenix is giving me bad pings

Coren's opening was really weird and he could have voted like a normal person in rvs when he saw something was off.

~Bee

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No one has said anything about my double votes :C
~Bee

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i noticed (that's what i meant by weird, earlier, but you bringing it up so quickly makes me feel better about you), but i didn't say anything cause i wasn't sure if you were doing a role thing! you have a double vote then?

Oui!

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1 vote for each head!

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Barn who is in your Hydra?
~Bee

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Explain yourselves, guys

You hardcore fence sat pretty early on.

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~Bee

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That's only a scum post if Phoenix is scum with one of Garmr/Soren and doesn't want to get involved in the fight. I think it's more likely town, though.

Wrong fence sitting is a safe way to engage in a game. That is scum regardless of the alignment of the other players
~Bee

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If both are town and Phoenix is scum, he would have said town/town or let it go on.

No one is stupid enough to say every situation is possible. He eliminated a few to look like he was engaging. Or at least that is what I think. Stop defending him and let him defend himself plz. I can't get a solid read on him arguing with you.
~Bee

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Explain yourselves, guys

You hardcore fence sat pretty early on.

Do you even hear yourself? If it's the top of the second page of the game, obviously we don't have enough information to make strong judgements about anyone. That's not sitting on the fence. It's playing like a normal person. I've been thinking about this for a while and since

you want me to take a strong stance, here you go

VOTE: turtles of despair

It is the top of the second page and you said all but 1 situation is possible in an interaction. I think town would have a stronger position then that or at least pretend to in order to get a reaction out of someone. You also at least could have tried to give your vote some credibility.
VOTE: Fire Birdo
VOTE: Fire Birdo

Good thing me and Kirro have 2 votes

~Bee

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@turtles of despair You're not trying to get a read on me. I have more votes than everyone else and so far you've just tried to justify your position on the wagon

I was on the Soren wagon until my last post. I thought Soren was scummier than you until your recent posts.
~Bee

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It's funny that you've been talking about fence sitting yet you've called me scummy for a while and only just voted me lol

O.o I was voting Soren who I thought was scummier. The difference between you and me is that you where fence sitting while having no solid scum read. I did have a scum read and can only put my votes in 1 place at a time so this isn't a real claim.

[quote="In post 138, Phoenix Wright]
Thanks for the OMGUS[/quote]

You actually OMGUSed me because you voted me because I said you where scummy. o3o

~Bee

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@turtles of despair You're not trying to get a read on me. I have more votes than everyone else and so far you've just tried to justify your position on the wagon

What do you think of my votes on you after realizing this was a misunderstanding on your part?
~Bee

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So despite saying that me trying to justify being on your wagon was one of the reasons you where scum reading me not actually being correct you won't reevaluate your read. Sorry I thought that was a major reason you scum read me.

I didn't go into detail (ping is pretty null and doesn't mean much) is because I wanted to see if you would take a more solid stance in the next few pages without being prompted because I could get a solid read on you that way.

The difference between you and me is that you where fence sitting while having no solid scum read. I did have a scum read and can only put my votes in 1 place at a time so this isn't a real claim. I didn't say I was scum reading you I said you where pinging me and you over reacted thinking it was a full fledged scum wagon or something.

@FireBirdo do you know what a ping is? (legit question)

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It sounds like you think he is town.

Town accept error more than scum because town aren't worried that they look like they are jumping around on reads. I wanted to see if he would
~bee

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@FireBirdo if this is an alt do you mind telling us what your main is?

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*one

UNVOTE:
Yea I was getting inexperienced vibes but I thought you where an alt.
If you have only played 1 other game of mafia you are towny af because of your confidence.
~Bee

I have like 3-4 months of experience after you take away my break periods

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Mollie she doesn't feel comfortable sharing I would honestly drop it. We don't want to make someone uncomfortable over a forum game.
~Bee

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Mollie she doesn't feel comfortable sharing I would honestly drop it. We don't want to make someone uncomfortable over a forum game.
~Bee

I don't feel comfortable playing with alts it is why I started a thread in md "I FREAKING HATE ALTS".

I wind up playing with players that I wld have /outed if I knew they were in the game.

eta: @ garmr - I cld have as well. I am sorry about that.

That's actually a fair statement but this is ARS's main on mafiascum which is all that really matters. I'd rather not create a negative environment and it is kinda obv ARS isn't hiding it because she wants to hide her mafia meta, if that was the case she would have lied about her experience.

[Turtles of Despair]

To the sad-turtle pirate: Are ye keeping the double-plank-prodding powers for the rest of the voyage?

That's a secret

[Turtles of Despair]

There be good secrets and bad secrets matey.

If ye be double-votin' as we be nearing the end of the voyage, we need to know now.

The scury may or may not throw me off the ship at night depending on my answer

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If all ye are is a double-prodder, then let them.

But I like living :c

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Only the good die young, matey. It be a known nautical fact.

Only curses await those who seek forbidden treasure.

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I'll just be filin' this away in me piratical filin' cabinet for now, there be scurvy dogs about and the sharks are lookin' mighty hungry today.

What is the problem with me bein a double prodder?

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Well if you truly been looking for the treasure the map can be found in 193.

I was hoping to hide me jewels but you left me no choice.

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I thought I sorted hard enough but the scury be getting to y'all

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Softed*

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I am doing too much without Kirro so ima go so when she catches up she doesn't read 50% of the content as her other head.
~Bee

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Oh I asked the mod and I don't have me double prods in Lylo.
~Bee

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It be upsetting to me that ye be speaking falsehoods, but that doesn't change me opinion on ye too much.

I didn't know, I asked the mod if there was any conditions on my role that weren't in my role pm o.o
~Bee

[Turtles of Despair]

I am tempted to put Barn at L-1 but I want to confirm some things with my other head.
~Bee

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VOTE: Barn
VOTE: Barn
Yeah L-1 for the giggles, I am surprised 3 people have output so little and it is pretty sketchy to go with it.
I may revoke this when I talk to Kirro though.

~Bee

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Looks like ye be able to prod two different pirates at once. If ye give two pirates a pokin' who both be at L-1, do they both go for a swim with the sharks?

@mod?

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The only way we can achieve a double lynch is if every single person cooperates if it is possible.
Also it can't be done with an even number of players.

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Without flips I don't think we should double lynch today though.
I'd rather know some peeps alignments so it can be more accurate.

[Turtles of Despair]

Can we lynch Phoenix Wright please

I asked you for other reads :C
~Bee

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So can ye do it or not?

Because if we can, we'll be doing it. Ye be using the same logic for "Let's not have anybody walk the plank Day 1, that surely be a good idea."

We want as many non-scurvy kills as possible. I'll be outlinin' me organizational scheme as soon as ye confirm that it be possible.

We can only do it with an odd number of live players so we can really only do it once this game so I'd rather do it tomorrow.
If you are still ok with it I will do it.

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Heeeyyyaaa kirro here.

Just want to apologise for the inconsistencies, because bee and I tend to have quite different reads and I'm not particularly convinced about some of his.

With that said, however, PW, I asked you whether you continue to scumread Garmr/Soren particularly because neither of them have actually posted much. From simply just a couple of Garmr v Soren posts, you immediately eliminated the possibility of both of them being town. Now, why is that? I don't see any kind of town motivation for jumping to such a fixed conclusion. At least, it's not the kind of conclusion I'd expect for you to continue to have a page later, once more people have started talking.

On the other hand, I think scum has plenty of motivation to doubtcast 2 players from the very beginning to shift what other players tend to concentrate on, either to shift the focus from themselves and their scumbuddies (if said 2 players were town), or to distance (if one of those 2 players were scum). I can't think of any town motivation to do that, but plenty of scum ones.

So I want to explain yourself, PW. If you already did (I've only read till page 7 so far since I'm at break atm) then I'm sorry but please direct me to what you said. I'm not particularly fond of your slot atm.

~ kirro

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What will happen then?

I believe I can only vote 1 person, 1 or 2 times.

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I'm really not liking the pirate.

What don't you like about them?
~Bee

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I am in the process of convincing Kirro you are town, we have different reads on you.

56: Here I was trying to sort my read on you because I said you where giving me bad pings which is the only logical thing to do.

73: Kain has literally only called you scum all game.

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What part of any of that is scummy?

~Bee

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I've told you why 56 is dumb multiple times already, so I'm not going to write it out again. And when you're on the 3rd page of a game, it just seems weird to me that you'd already expect someone to have their reads ready. So it felt like you were asking a question just to look townie for asking a question.

I didn't expect you to have all of your reads ready. I wanted to get an idea of who you thought was scum/town based on the opening posts and it is fair to expect someone to have some idea of people's alignment on the 3rd page. I wasn't asking for you to make a giant wall post explaining why someone was scum I just wanted to know what you where thinking about at the time. I declared I had bad pings coming from your slot which means that I think you could be scum but I was not 100% sure so I requested more content, it isn't alignment indicative at all.

~Bee

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When I said have you reads ready I was talking about post 73.

The same reason I wanted more content from you is why I expected more out of Kain because I expect more out of a slot. In Kain's case he has literally only had 1 scum read all game with no other interaction.
~Bee

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We can't double hammer, I said this :C
~Bee

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Har! Then let's just not send anyone down the plank. That's clearly the best solution.

So if we could be feeding three pirates to the sharks, ye'd all be saying that it's a bad idea? Same for 4 or 5?


Killin' by non-scurvy hands is good and should be done as frequently as possible. Now, it be reasonable to wait for Day 2, only because o' the evens problem, as the sad-turtle pirate was sayin', but if we could be doubly shark feedin' every day, we'd be doubly feedin' them every day.

Let's not lynch anyone today. That is clearly the best solution.
So if we could kill 3 players today instead of 1 is that really a bad idea? Same goes for 4 or 5?

Killing by town hands is good (lynch vs NK basically) and should be done as frequently as possible. Now it would be reasonable to wait for day 2 because we only double lynch when we have an even number of players. But if we could lynch 2 people a day we would always want to lynch 2 people a day.

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FA this is easy AF to understand.
~Bee

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OH THERE WAS ALREADY A TRANSLATION. SHOOT

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I also can only vote ONE person once or twice so we cannot get a double hammer :C

~Bee

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WE LITERALLY CAN'T DOUBLE HAMMER

~Bee

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Nice hammer phoenix

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L-4

Me x2, NM, Phoenix = Twilight phase

~Bee

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I declared L-1...
I blame lack of vote counts *cough cough*

Can someone investigate the phoenix? I don't want to get noob towned out of this game by a scum. (No offense)

~Bee

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You expect me to remember what you did 150 posts ago even though i wasn't suspicious of barn at that point?

I still think you are town due to lack of counts from the mod but I want to be sure since that was kinda sketchy. At the least you are conf town after being investigated.
~Bee

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If you are town of course.
~Bee

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bee do you really have a double vote this is the time to tell me.

Yup, the mod confirmed it by answering my question about us being able to double prod in thread.
~Bee

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^ If it doesn't I'd like this flip to go through still.
~Bee

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Plz go to your outbox and undo that if you aren't sure I don't want to waste day 1. :C
~Bee

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Okay, what? I haven't had much time to look at this game recently, so beeboy has been posting most of the time, but I don't think you should've used that ability today Garmr. Is there any reason you seem to be absolutely sure that Barn is town? Barn's ISO shows no reason for his lynched ot be pardoned, especially not with a 1-shot ability that you could've saved for later on when we're in more need of it. And especially since chances are we're going to lynch Barn anyway unless they come in and give us a reason not to. It's just such a sad waste.

~kirro

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YOU IDIOT!!! OF COURSE THAT MEANS MAFIA WILL KILL YOU TONIGHT SO THAT I CAN BE MISLYNCHED TMR???

Not really. Me being killed doesn't mean that anyone would think you did it. I just meant that you're annoying and not progressing the game so I want you to be lynched. But your weird overreaction makes me think that you might really be scum

Meh. Meta has shown that such a yelly overreaction is very typical of Kain so it's not alignment indicative probably.

~ kirro

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I find it incredibly strange how Garmr is so sure that he doesn't want Barn lynched. I don't think the ability to stop a lynch is definitely a town ability. I've seen scum with the ability to pardon a lynch before, particularly in setups with lots of town PRs.

~ kirro

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PEdit: All ongoing unfortunately but I've gotten a feel of how he generally plays and this is it.

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ala hydraslip

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VOTE: Barn
L-1
Everything I said before still stands now.
~Bee

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Yusaku Kudo

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VOTE: Barn
VOTE: Barn
A 3 man hydra can't possibly fail to find someone to read the thread.

~Bee

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There appears to be one o' them deckhands who be preventing other hands from doing their jobs proper-like.

Why would you just claim all that info?

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claiming that you've been roleblocked is the easiest way to get roleblocked again. either way, i don't think we should press this right now.

Not only did they claim power role they claimed to the scum there is a roleblocker in this game if that roleblock came from town/

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Sorry was on VLA will read today.
Also what is the vote count at I want to see what the progression caused.
~Bee

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@mod requesting Vote Count

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Just a quick reminder we are still in this game and I am going to read up when I get home
~Bee

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I know I said this already but other games and life and what not.
~Bee

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I decided that I will ne\/er get around to reading the last day and will just roll with my day 1 knowledge =D
~Bee

What did I miss?

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I am not happy with this game

, I may be subbing out.
Haven't decided.

hhhhmmm...

?

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Turtles, you're a double-voter, yes? i think you full-claimed earlier, but i'm not sure. you're just a double-voter?

Why does it matter?

Oops

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but i'm very confident about Turtles. he's been coasting by, and honestly makes a lot of sense if you look at things through process of elimination. i was thinking about this yesterday as well, but the FA issue seemed more pressing and, at the time of voting her, she was the player i had the most bad feelings about. i didn't end up listening to them all the way through, and i had doubts, but i'm taking this as an indication that i need to move forward with my bad feeling, particularly the one i have about Turtles. i really don't see any evidence to think that the slot is town. that's the rub right there.

An idling scum double \/oter is terrible play.
Kirro was missing and I couldn't find moti\/ation to play this game by myself.

~Bee

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Also what is a scum double \/oter?

~Bee

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In all honesty I ha\/e no idea how to read firebringer does anyone with experience with him ha\/e a read on the slot
~Bee

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I wouldn't mind Scourge tbh but I want to follow my gut read on D1.
VOTE: Soren x2

@mod is this a \/alid double \/ote format?

~Bee

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ARS did you just go through our ISO in hopes to scum paint us?

~Bee

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jailkeepers don't receive feedback, so he wouldn't have been told if he'd been roleblocked. and it sounds like he sent it to jeanne. he should just ask her if his action was submitted on night 2 or not.

process of elimination, Tails. there's no reason to think he's town, but there are reasons to think other players are town. and your Phoenix case doesn't make him scum either, as i've explained.

that's an interesting choice, Turtles. why'd you ignore my request for your complete reads?

I need to let the day linger for a bit since I did not read Day 2 at all.
~Bee

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nah, Jeanne confirmed that Turtles can't use his double vote to lynch two players at once. she hasn't confirmed anything about whether it works in lylo and Turtles never answered the question when Yarrrrgami asked because he was 'afraid of being nightkilled'. for being a double voter. actually come to think of it people have been attributing too much power to the double vote this entire game. it's not that debilitating.

I thought for sure she said something about that, but looking back she has not. I guess I saw someone speculating that and misattributed the memory?
Whatever.

I guess I'm not really opposed to Turtles lynch, but it's a darn shame to be putting this much pressure on someone inactive... but then again, maybe they're hiding and this will bring them out.
VOTE: Turtles of Despair

I said it didn't work in Lylo. I originally didn't know and asked the mod to clarify.

~Bee

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beeboy literally all you have been doing is responding to me

preview: fire that question is kinda useless too

That is because you are doing a shitty scum paint on me and I need to respond to it.

Soren is doing jack shit right now and your case on me sucks.

[Turtles of Despair]

This entire game is actually bad.

A guy on VLA and clear town are the 2 leading wagons.

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Tails, want to just lynch Turtles today?
We can lynch Phoenix tomorrow.
I really don't care. This game sucks:

VOTE: Turtles of Despair

He is pretty noob town.

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This entire game is actually bad.

A guy on VLA and clear town are the 2 leading wagons.

who is cleared town? and who is v/la?

Pardon my lack of past tense, the reason I didn't read the game was because I wan on VLA and tbh now I just don't want to.
ARS is trying to scum pain the shit out of me right now and I don't even know if he is doing it as scum or town.

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beeboy literally all you have been doing is responding to me

preview: fire that question is kinda useless too

That is because you are doing a shitty scum paint on me and I need to respond to it.

Soren is doing jack shit right now and your case on me sucks.

it's funny cause you're ALSO doing nothing!

you're calling it a scum paint but it's called a case.
if you think think i'm doing a shitty scum paint then why the hell aren't you scumreading me, scum?

preview: ohhh my gosh thank you fire ohhh my god <3

That is because you are doing a bullshit scum paint that I keep responding to you.

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Legit as scum I would have just hammered PW but I didn't, you know why?
Because I am town and this is stupid.

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Legit as scum I would have just hammered PW but I didn't, you know why?
Because I am town and this is stupid.

the fact that you're aware of this means you'd be aware of it as either alignment. the reason you didn't do it is because you would have gotten turbolynched tomorrow for doing it.

that, or Phoenix is your buddy.

Preflip associative tells are shit.

mollie, please please trust me on this. i know i've only played one game with you, if fire is scum we can push him tomorrow as well. you must be reading Turtles posts here, he's doing the same thing firebringer is doing to you

preview: damn Phoenix ARE you scum??

This preview thing is terrible

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mollie, please please trust me on this. i know i've only played one game with you, if fire is scum we can push him tomorrow as well. you must be reading Turtles posts here, he's doing the same thing firebringer is doing to you

preview: damn Phoenix ARE you scum??

I don't want someone to just randomly hammer. We haven't even given turtles a chance to really defend themselves

Phoenix, ALL turtles has been doing today is defend himself! go check his posts for today, all of them are responding to me and only me about how is isn't scum. he's even already claimed.

THAT IS BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID IS COMPLETE BULL.

Can you summarize you entire case on me so I can explain why you are wrong so we can move on and lynch Soren.

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Summarize your case on me, right now.
Nothing you have said is legit.

[Turtles of Despair]

Summarize your case on me, right now.
Nothing you have said is legit.

This is what I would say If I was scum defending myself lol.

My grasp on his case on me is that I was missing which is a shitty reason to vote someone.

I also voted town on D1.

Literally that is the worst case I have ever seen.

[Turtles of Despair]

can you just fucking tell me your case on me first.

[Turtles of Despair]

can you just fucking tell me your case on me first.

Oh wait you don't have one =D
If you don't quote me good posts where you explained your read on me I am going to get you lynched.
Your reasons for wagoning me are shit and you are somehow leading town on.

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Oh funny enough ARS I actually know I am going to die I just want my town flip to reveal your agenda =D

[Turtles of Despair]

Don't hammer me, I am mad and will post later.
Like I am town and there is bs going on with the ARS slot I want to point out it is just I don't think I will do a good job right now.

[Turtles of Despair]

ARS is scum too lazy to case.

[Turtles of Despair]

VOTE: Turtles
VOTE: Turtles

Let's see how many votes I can get.

[Turtles of Despair]

Lets all play this game together.

[Turtles of Despair]

As like my final wish for my town flip

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VOTE: Turtles of Despair
sorry

Nice prep for my town flip yo.