Mini 1770: College Mafia! (Game Ovah)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Night Hunters
I don't want to stay up all night studying.

[SirCakez]

Pirating movies and video games maybe?

[SirCakez]

I'm here but I'm already voting them :/

[SirCakez]

Wrong wagon Aristo

[SirCakez]

Yeah I'm pretty sure right now.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I'm pretty sure right now.

But they aren't even here yet!

Cake is pretty compelling tho...

Exactly why you should help wagon them! We'll have a surprise for them.

[SirCakez]

@ɀefiend
are you an alt?

-Dwlee99

Why does this matter?

[SirCakez]

@ɀefiend
are you an alt?

-Dwlee99

Why does this matter?

It effects my read of him.

-Dad

How does being an alt or not affect your read on someone? It shouldn't in my opinion.

[SirCakez]

Wagoning to get out of RVS is a good tactic. I wouldn't call that outdated at all.

[SirCakez]

(Why do people always end up calling me Cakey on every forum I go to?)
I've gotten a couple townreads already so yeah we're out of RVS successfully.

[SirCakez]

@BBT,

I literally do not care. I have no recollection of your scum meta. You are a player that doesn't care about meta asking the head who doesn't care about meta about a meta read. Like really? It's not a dodge to not care BBT.

@Cakey,

I'm a liberal but strict Mom. What do you want to be called? I'll call you Le Artist if you want.

~MamaBear

You can call me whatever. I just thought it was funny how that also showed up here.

[SirCakez]

Why is this massive wagon a thing?

[SirCakez]

Why is this massive wagon a thing?

Why are you questioning it?

Because it looks like it's for a terrible reason (me and massive are never same alignment!). I want to see what massive says though.

[SirCakez]

What would you like wagons to be built on on page 3?

Fair enough.

[SirCakez]

I mean, I find it weird that you wanted to wagon NH for no reason at all and then question a second wagon that actually has some reasoning (valid or otherwise) behind it.

Saying that, I find it strange that NH want to wagon massive after saying RVS wagons are outdated.

We've exited RVS so I think wagons should have something legitimate to back them up now.

[SirCakez]

Scummy entrance, bad response to RVS wagon, someone just being generally scummy in their posts.

[SirCakez]

No, which is why I questioned the massive wagon initially.

[SirCakez]

Not necessarily. I was forming town reads and I was waiting to see where Night Hunters was going with their Zefiend push.

[SirCakez]

Dwlee what do you think of Zefiend actually? You never commented on it yourself.

[SirCakez]

Wagons post-RVS should have something better to back them up then "we're never the same alignment". Its my opinion. Initial Night Hunters wagon was different because that was in RVS. 47 was a response to your "RVS wagons are outdated" thing which I find completely false. 74 and 80 were responses to questions.
If you want reads the town reads I was referring to were BBT and Night Hunters for active engaging of the game and early questioningg that was pretty town.

[SirCakez]

I thought I unvoted, oops
UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

I'm waiting for more players to show up, specifically massive and Zefiend, to show up before placing a new vote. Nothing is screaming scum to me right now.

[SirCakez]

Firebringer if you could not have town reads on scum, that would be nice.

-Dad

Now this post gives me pause.

[SirCakez]

Fire why are you town reading me so strongly?

[SirCakez]

What would you like wagons to be built on on page 3?

Fair enough.

I mean, I find it weird that you wanted to wagon NH for no reason at all and then question a second wagon that actually has some reasoning (valid or otherwise) behind it.

We've exited RVS so I think wagons should have something legitimate to back them up now.

Scummy entrance, bad response to RVS wagon, someone just being generally scummy in their posts.

Walk me through your change in thought process here.

Now this post gives me pause.

Why?

I think post-RVS wagons should have something to back them up. Massive wagon had nothing to back it up but there was also nothing else to build a wagon on so that's why I said "Fair enough" in response to that question. It's a theory argument really.

And that post gave me pause because it shot down Firebringer giving a townread without backing it up.

[SirCakez]

Because SC is desperate for a handout.

Where did you get this from? I questioned Fire over why he's townreading me, and all he had was gut which is pretty meh.

[SirCakez]

@SirCakez,

I get you being desperate for a hand out because of your trajectory this game. You appeared to have zero desire on why I was looking into Zefiend as I put forth that question and had nothing to say when I poked there. Instead, you were

very

hyper about getting my RVS train to get traction. You said you were out of RVS and didn't unvote in 52, and were heavily pressuring our slot. In 63, you are objecting to a foundationless wagon on massive. If 85 and 88 are to be believed, that means you objected to a counterwagon to your townread that you forgot to Unvote solely because there was a lack of information to do so. Town generally don't discourage counterwagons to their townreads from forming based on lack of information. It's much more likely that you retroactively picked the two players pushing you the hardest to townread and wanted me to talk more about the other read I had to draw attention away from yourself.

Your Fire push here is half assed. You ask an obligatory question to Fire after it's been highlighted that we don't like his townread. Yet us calling out Fire for having a townread on your slot "gives you pause". You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. It reads as talk about anyone BUT SirCakez.

@GuiltyLion, I am struggling to follow that post. You're claiming that because you don't agree our scumread is forced? That makes no sense. Your train of thought also reeks of bullshit. You asked us why Fire scum and SirCakez might be scum together in 104 and you argued our answer in 106 was creating unjust associative pairings. You asking a question that suggests we assume a preflip association (that might or might not be true) cannot be a logical foundation for claiming preflip associations are scummy.

Both Fire and Cakey are independently scummy here, but they still make sense as partners.

Why are you so resistant to wagononing SirCakez and seeing where it goes?

This post is horrible. Obviously I'm going to dig into other reads. Should I just sit here and let myself be mislynched? No, that would be terrible play so yes I'm digging into your other reads. I hate how you're twisting this into "he wants attention on anyone else!"
VOTE: Night Hunters
Fire hasn't shown back up to explain his town read on me yet so I'm still waiting for him to explain further.

[SirCakez]

I've been mislynched for this exact same "questioning a wagon, wants attention on anyone else" bullshit before and it's very irritating. There are definitely scum pushing this and 114 makes me pretty confident its NH.

[SirCakez]

It's much more likely that you retroactively picked the two players pushing you the hardest to townread and wanted me to talk more about the other read I had to draw attention away from yourself.

Then what was this?

[SirCakez]

Night Hunters is sure scummy IMO.
Wonder if anyone is going to call them out on it besides me.

[SirCakez]

Fire why are you still voting massive then?

[SirCakez]

Questioning a wagon is one thing, being willing to wagon one person and then questioning the wagon on someone else for the same reason (RVS, in this case), is where my issue is with what you did.

I feel like a broken record here. Massive wagon was post-RVS, thus not same reasons.

Titus why did you dodge my last question?

[SirCakez]

I actually missed 124, but its also another bad post because it didn't actually address the fact that town in this situation will make reads and push others regardless.
@Shaddowez I thought I did, let me check.

[SirCakez]

124 is a response to 123.

I think you're going with whine here. I am done until BBT gets back.

~MamaBear (who occasionally is forgetful and signs as Titus)

Mama is a cruel bear

[SirCakez]

What defines the end of RVS to you? You said you had town reads but didn't mention scum reads, which means you still have to place your vote somewhere, or do something else to continue getting reads. If RVS ends when you just get a couple of reads and everybody stops doing things, the game is just going to stagnate.

I consider the end of RVS to be when someone has starts making a serious push, I;e in this case NH attacking Zefiend for rolefishing.
I already stated that I was waiting to see where NH went with that specific push when the massive wagon formed so I questioned it.

[SirCakez]

BBT what's your read on NH? And do you actually think Fire is scum or would it just be a PL for bad play?

[SirCakez]

What defines the end of RVS to you? You said you had town reads but didn't mention scum reads, which means you still have to place your vote somewhere, or do something else to continue getting reads. If RVS ends when you just get a couple of reads and everybody stops doing things, the game is just going to stagnate.

I consider the end of RVS to be when someone has starts making a serious push, I;e in this case NH attacking Zefiend for rolefishing.
I already stated that I was waiting to see where NH went with that specific push when the massive wagon formed so I questioned it.

I'm trying very hard to understand the dynamics of this post. I see two things that could possibly be worrisome but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to try to explain.

1. If you consider the end of RVS to be when someone starts making a serious push, could you explain this statement?

(Why do people always end up calling me Cakey on every forum I go to?)

I've gotten a couple townreads already so yeah we're out of RVS successfully.

(my italics for emphasis.)
Do you mean:

A, therefore B.
A cannot happen if B is happening. A happened, therefore B is no longer happening.
or something else?

2. NH's push on me appears to be tabled or scrapped at this moment. Besides asking one question to one Head of NH, you haven't mentioned their Zefiend-push since then. Yet, you used the reasoning that you were interested in seeing where it was going to slow down the massive wagon? Furthermore, what is wrong with a simultaneous Zefiend-push by NH and massive-wagon by others? FYPOV, why should wagoning on one player (massive) be contingent on the resolution of a different push (NH on me)?

1. What is A and what is B?

2. The Zefiend push was unrelated to the massive wagon. I said I wanted to see what NH was doing with the push and how you would react before evaluating it, since it looked like there was evidence to back it up. Massive wagon had nothing to support it so I questioned it. The massive wagon and zefiend push had no correlation here.

[SirCakez]

I don't see how either 145 or 80 show that I thought massive wagon and Zefiend push were associated. 80 was a response to BBT saying "Should we just wait around for scum to make scummy posts?", and then 145 was a response to saying doing nothing after RVS ends makes the game stagnates to which I responded what I was doing after RVS.
Will respond to question 1 next.

[SirCakez]

For 1, I meant A, therefore B. That was less complex then I thought.

[SirCakez]

The cakey wagon has kind of died out, a lot of you want either a Fire policy lynch or a Gl scum lynch, and seen as he voted for me basically for agreeing with someone else:

VOTE: GL

This is setting off loads of alarm bells.

[SirCakez]

Large amounts of misrepping basically, yeah. Specifically 114 and 124. I also still don't like 90.
And yes I did respond to 114 in 118 which is where I initially voted them.

[SirCakez]

@BBT, I don't know what posting you find to be decent by SC here in the last few pages. All he's done is basically say gee Fire, you need reasons. He's trying to deflect attention off himself. You're concerned I haven't addressed his "good" posts but there's nothing to address. He's defending himself from Zthing's assertions trying to wordsmith his way out of being caught scum.

This whole too many people pushing him (from Guilty Lion) is a load of crap. The amount of people pushing someone is usually related to the strength of the case. If there's no case, no one would be pushing SC or it would just be all "hurr durr" i dunno you feel scummy crap that seems to permeate here lately. I've caught scum before and had the wagon take off like a rocket never leaving until the person was a corpse.

Now, onto the actual issues you're expressing now. First, SC was hyper about the wagon but this seems a little semantic or a differnce of what is called hyper. SC was very vocal about getting people to hurry up and wagon our slot before we could post. If I thought it was aggressive, I'd say aggressive. Maybe impulsive you'd like better, but he was definitely pushing that hard.

Bullshit on town being more likely to make consistency mistakes. Town should be clear and transparent with their reads. If not, they are doing it wrong.

SC "pushing" fire is because he's desperate to have a place to go that isn't him.

I kind get the Dwlee not making content but he has in a few places. I tend to overshadow others a lot, particularly when both heads of the hydra are in agreement.

Can you respond to my concerns about GL BBT?

~MamaBear

You'll say any scumhunting I attempt is trying to "deflect attention". It's bull and you know it.
The Fire push is completely unrelated to "wanting to go somewhere else". He was townreading me for no reason and I questioned it.

[SirCakez]

Why are there so many people still sitting on RVS votes?
Fire is your massive vote serious now or have you just not bothered to move it?

[SirCakez]

No massive, it's just odd Fire has said he's scumreading Night Hunters but is still sitting on a pseudo-RVS vote.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez faked his reads and has basically been looking to have the game push anyone else and had a terrible white knight of a massive RVS wagon.

I've got a few people who I'd consider voting right now. It's about 4 players deep, SirCakez leading the way.

-Mom

I've already disproved all of this and you're ignoring it conveniently.

[SirCakez]

Welp, I don't know what to say and sound rational.

???
What is your opinion on NH vs myself?

[SirCakez]

SirCakez has been desperate for a handout for anything else he can scumread and not look like the scum he is.

Third time I'm saying this: this is bull for reasons I've already said and you know it is and are choosing to ignore it.

[SirCakez]

Aristo why are you town reading NH?

[SirCakez]

How are their arguments reasonable? Go reread their most recent posts and come back.

[SirCakez]

How are their (Night Hunters) arguments reasonable? Go reread their most recent posts and come back.

Requoting since it was ignored
@Aristophanes

[SirCakez]

SC - Do you have anything new to contribute? Basically every post of your since 180 has been repeating yourself (which you say in your posts) or asking for other people's opinions on NH. Do you have any other reads?

Yeah NH keeps throwing shit at me and it's irritating.
I think tojam is scum, BBT/GL/Shadowez are town, Aristo is a scum lean for his weird reads, Jeanne is null and should be doing more, Fire is probably town. That's everything I can think of the top of my head.

[SirCakez]

Tojam wtf are you doing?

[SirCakez]

They are stating things clearly, rather than obscuring things. Their arguments make sense. They are pushing it strongly because they both agree. Neither head is faltering in their push which backs this up. 196 especially is an extremely town post, and their push on you is legitimate.

196 is a terrible post. They haven't backed up anything they mentioned in that post and I've called them out on it three times. You sound like you're making up things to town read them for.

[SirCakez]

Kirroha still hasn't followed up on her catchup despite posting in multiple other games today. Getting scum vibes there now, feels like she's dodging the game.
I also don't like how massive is still voting Firebringer despite the PR claim.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I do like the massive wagon. His ISO is a great big pile of nothing, as stated earlier. And I can't drum up any support for NH so
VOTE: massivr
BBT why are you so averse to wagoning NH though?

[SirCakez]

I would have voted you but you said you had a PR so :/

[SirCakez]

I think Peregrine is overdue for a prod.

[SirCakez]

Thor what do you think of Fire claiming PR? Did it affect your read at all?

[SirCakez]

So you think he semi-randomly claimed PR early on as scum, correct?

[SirCakez]

426 reeks of someone looking for an excuse to get off a wagon.

[SirCakez]

Bussing buddy is what it looks like.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Kirroha
I think this is a pretty good vote now.
Fire is iffy for me because he always plays like this and it makes him quite hard to read.

[SirCakez]

There's like four claimed PRs at this point I think? They definitely can't all be real. And Kirroha is the scummiest of the PR claimers in my opinion.

[SirCakez]

Vote someone I'm scumreading? All of the wagons have collapsed except massive and I'm not comfortable with that wagon anymore.

[SirCakez]

Thoughts on Thor SC? Lynching a claimed PR is just awful and the amount of people accepting that it's OK to lynch a PR on D1 is astounding.

Like I already said, I doubt all of these PR claimers are legit so I wouldn't scumread him for that. Fire isn't the person to push of the PR claimers though so don't really like that.

[SirCakez]

Man, I'm so tempted to lynch NH now.

I still support this.

I'll be back in a bit.

[SirCakez]

I would vote Thor before it came to a nolynch.

[SirCakez]

Kirr is pretty scummy though. Ugh fine so we consolidate votes somewhere. I'm already null scumreading him.
VOTE: Thor665

[SirCakez]

ffs now you start this wagon after we get Thor to L-2

[SirCakez]

I've been asking for this wagon for days of course I'll hop on.
VOTE: Night Hunters

[SirCakez]

Role madness isn't bastard....

[SirCakez]

Thor, site meta has gone to shit while you've been away. Useless liars survive. Newbies and those who give a damn are the lynch wagons day 1. Anyone who actually pushes scum is an asshole. Scum don't bus because they can just pick on noobs, insult people and lurk to victory.

~Mom

Role madness would mean no VTs, yes.

[SirCakez]

I thought role madness was all PRs. I don't think this is role madness anyways.

[SirCakez]

All of the votes that aren't on one of the top three wagons need to move to one of those wagons. Fire isn't happening today.
We may have to move back to Thor if we can't get the NH votes.

[SirCakez]

@SirCakez - remind me, why do you find me scummy. I must have forgotten in all this excitement.

Really don't like the Fire push.

[SirCakez]

@SirCakez - remind me, why do you find me scummy. I must have forgotten in all this excitement.

Really don't like the Fire push.

Why?
Also - why is it a scummy push?

Because Fire always plays like this. I learned that the hard way in another game as town where I pushed him for all the same reasons you are. I was misguided there, but this feels like intentionally taking advantage.

[SirCakez]

I was referring to Open 623 where we both mislynched him. It wasn't game throwing, just bad play.
And I'm thinking about your claim. That's like the fifth PR claim now though, some of these have to be false.

[SirCakez]

Kirroha also claimed she is a PR. So four then.
Yeah that game still makes me sad <.<

[SirCakez]

Tojam, massive what are your flavor names?

[SirCakez]

I'm down for an Aristo wagon.
VOTE: Aristophanes
I kind of buy NH's claim with the crumbs. Not a good lynch for today.
(What is this kitchen counters joke? I'm clueless qq)

[SirCakez]

Thor - I looked for your cards on the table post but can't find it. Can you quote it or give me a post number?

[SirCakez]

I can't Ctrl + f on phone :/
I'll look at the post now.

[SirCakez]

I think everyone else should lay off Firebringer for now imo. We have plenty of time to push him tomorrow. If he's really a town PR scum will deal with him and if they don't, we can interrogate him later.

Except he's not, and has already laid his groundwork defense for that, so we should axe him now.

Can you explain this a bit more? You may be able to convince me.

I am so frustrated by this sort of stuff, because of the following reasons;

1. It's making me show my hand before he is locked in hard.
2. That gives him more future wiggle room

But, that said, it is pretty clear that no one is either seeing what I'm seeing, or willing to sheep me, and we're getting closer to deadline than is optimal anyway, so, fine, here are a few more cards on the table for the three of you expressing at least guarded awareness/questions.

Okay, here's his big claim;

Unfortunately for you and everyone else. I have a PR this game. So lynching me isn't really that good of an idea to just to get rid of a hard to read slot.

Bam - empty and meaningless, or is it?
Let's look at the rest of his iso for thoughts. It's mostly emptiness and dorking around except for this gem.

Since I am never getting night killed anyways.

How many PRs would "never get night killed"?
Get it?
He's setting himself up as a slot that can do nothing all day, and justify lack of death late game.
But he blew it because I know he's scum, and also if you look at his reaction to me, he knows I know, and it's pretty apparent.

My thinking is that Fire isn't stupid, he knows what will draw attention to himself and what won't. If he is scum, claiming a PR early may save him from being a lynch target D1, but when D2 and D3 roll around then he's going to need to hardclaim to explain why he's alive and at that point he's likely SOL if he doesn't have a rock-solid fakeclaim. I don't see why he would resort to such a gambit so early.

Because there's like zero risk and it drags an otherwise quick lynch into lylo?
Y'know, also called Scum 101.

Frankly I don't see anything in his ISO that scum wouldn't do, but that's kind of my problem with this wagon

I...
You...

As far as his reaction to you, I'm also not sure that scum would encourage you to continue pushing him like he did in 435.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that he knew two things.

1. That I didn't need encouragement, and would have pushed him regardless.
2. That no one would take that as a reason to vote him.

So why *wouldn't* he get cheeky and say that? It costs him nothing, hurts him in no way, and let's him avoid analyzing me (even though, as town, i would think you'd be curious why someone is super convinced you're town - but he's acting like it's a joke that doesn't concern him...which is what scum do to avoid having the case on them made center stage.)

First - I don't think Fire saying he won't get night killed is indicative. I haven't seen Fire get night killed like ever, his day play just isn't aggressive enough to be a threat.
And again, he usually does very little during the day. I already explained this part.
Then I don't see how his claim was empty and meaningless. He didn't even full claim.
I also don't see how Fire being cheeky means anything. He is always cheeky.
If there's anything in this I didn't address point it out.

[SirCakez]

@Aeronaut - V/LA until March 16

[SirCakez]

I'll move to Tojam if necessary for deadline.

[SirCakez]

Always cheeky to the point of ignoring someone who is flat out claiming they know his claim is a lie? (a claim you say he hasn't even made clear, but he doesn't even toss that thought back in my face?)I don't think that makes sense.

Yes, he did this exact same thing to me in the game I was talking about earlier. Refusing to engage people who accused him, being dodgy constantly.
Even if the "I won't get night killed" is a crumb I don't see how it relates to Fire being scum.

VOTE: tojam
Deadline, we only have six hours

[SirCakez]

Thor we have six hours. If you can get a wagon to hammer on someone else in six hours then go for it.

[SirCakez]

I think Tojam is more likely scum for the reasons I've already said about Fire.

[SirCakez]

This looks like a Tojam lynch or nolynch.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[SirCakez]

NH what is RM?
The naked vote on Aristo was for him being a total lurksack for all of yesterday and doing nothing pro-town. Jeanne is also on my scum list though, I approve of that wagon but don't want to join since it's at L-2 and self hammer is a decent chance here.
I didn't fake my reads ffs, but I am town. Good to see NH coming around.
Finally, this is definitely not Role Madness.

[SirCakez]

Shadowez says he's the Neighborizer but that he didn't visit anyone last night

???
Very sure NH is town now. Intent to vote Shadowez.

[SirCakez]

Just for completeness' sake: Shaddowez, why did you pick GL as your neighborize target?

I picked somebody I was town reading, but was unlikly to be an NK target.

Shadowez says he's the Neighborizer but that he didn't visit anyone last night

???
Very sure NH is town now. Intent to vote Shadowez.

I never said I didn't visit anyone, I said my action failed. Apparently reading comprehension 101 wasn't a prereq for this game...

I'm town, I'm certain there's scum on my wagon, and if my flip is the only thing that gets people to see that then so be it.

OK same thing. You didn't visit anyone last night so you couldn't have neighborized.

[SirCakez]

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[SirCakez]

gg I thought I was already voting him

Intent to hammer before I go to bed

Kirr why haven't you followed your intent to hammer?

[SirCakez]

Really don't think Fire is scum. Thor was deathtunneling him pretty much the entire game. GL/Ari/Jeanne is my scum pool now.

[SirCakez]

NH I don't understand the Fire tunnel here. He's almost definitely town.

[SirCakez]

That may be true GL.
VOTE: Aristophanes
This first though.

[SirCakez]

If multiball then I'd think a SK rather then second scum team since it's a mini.

[SirCakez]

Thor had to have been attacked twice then. So definitely a separate scum, prob SK.
Titus thinks Ari is scum yeah?

[SirCakez]

Actually I could see Fire being a SK then who attacked Thor twice. I don't see many people here doing that.

[SirCakez]

Actually I could see Fire being a SK then who attacked Thor twice. I don't see many people here doing that.

SK with a jailkeep?

If either is an SK it's more likely GL.

@GL, If we're blocked, then you need two blockers or ascetic.

Explain a specific viable scenario there where you are both town. Bus drivers and redirectors do not create blockers from thin air.

It's plausible. And I don't see many people in this game attacking Thor two times in a row.

[SirCakez]

No, I will not talk to you until you stop thinking I am scum.

Wtf
That's a terrible attitude

[SirCakez]

Someone give intent so we can force a claim from Aristo please.

[SirCakez]

Oh he's the second Neighborizer.
Is he also claiming just to be a standard Neighborizer or is his nodded?

[SirCakez]

Oh he's the second Neighborizer.
Is he also claiming just to be a standard Neighborizer or is his modded?

EBWOP

[SirCakez]

Oh I thought he claimed a different neighborizer for some reason.
Sounds shifty af with Shadowez's flip but I'd like him to get his butt in here and defend himself.

[SirCakez]

FIRE NO BRING BACK TOOTHLESS!

[SirCakez]

I am getting loads of town vibes from Fire's recent posts. Don't want to lynch there at all today.
Which means at least one scum is on this Aristo wagon with me which makes me hesitant now.

[SirCakez]

Or alternatively, you're just scum NH.

[SirCakez]

All of these wagons feel icky to me.
Thinking about voting GL though.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: GuiltyLion
If this is town then 99% sure NH is scum.

[SirCakez]

There has to be at least one scum between GL, Fire and NH. I'm townreading Fire and NH more then you :/

[SirCakez]

GL - yeah. If Fire is scum, he's SK and if they are town, then obviously they'd believe their own claim and push you from it, so yeah looks town to me.
I still think Ari is scum, but there must have been at least one scum voting him earlier (GL, Fire and NH were all voting him) which is what I was wary of. And I doubt he would be SK with the neighborizer claim.

[SirCakez]

Wow this game went dead for nearly two days, damn.
I'm willing to lynch Aristo today if necessary.

[SirCakez]

Aristo should fullclaim with flavor I think.

[SirCakez]

It could potentially change my read, yeah.

[SirCakez]

how?

Explain

If the claim looks legit then my read would adjust for that obviously (._. )

Aristo should fullclaim with flavor I think.

I'm the University Acapella Group!
Each day I recruit two people to sing with me.

That's why I posted a song from Pitch Perfect as my first post in the Neighbourhood thread, Fire & NH.

Like this seems legit to me tbh.

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

I was waiting to see Nahdia's catchup and that was her first comment so :p

[SirCakez]

Jeanne and massive both claimed VT also I believe.

[SirCakez]

Being confused as fuck, for one.

[SirCakez]

NH town flip basically confirms GL is scum, yeah?

[SirCakez]

GL if you're so sure NH is scum why are you voting Ari?

[SirCakez]

GL, FB, I've got a deal for you.
I'll compromise on an NH lynch today.

If they flip town, we lynch GL tomorrow.
If they flip scum, we lynch me tomorrow.

Thoughts?

I actually kind of like this plan.

[SirCakez]

Yes I do

[SirCakez]

VOTE: night Hunters
This will do a ton for the game state for me.

[SirCakez]

Thor's Fire push didn't look liie a bus to me.

[SirCakez]

So we lynch in NH/GL here pretty sure.
Not sure if MyLo or not. Dunno if three group scum + SK would be in play.

[SirCakez]

Wait wtf
Why didn't he mention that earlier

[SirCakez]

Massive could also be the lynch, he's done nothing all game.
I just suggested a lynch between those two because there is very likely one scum between them.

[SirCakez]

Because of claimed role interactions.

[SirCakez]

NH pushing Fire lying about his action sounds like bs to me.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez can you walk me through why your read on NH went from scum to town over the first three days, and where it stands now

I can go more in detail when I get home but basically I hated their entire push on me because it was full of misrep (faking my reads for example) but then once they moved past me they improved. My read started sinking again when this whole Fire/GL/NH situation came up and it makes a lot more sense for NH to be scum then you since Fire was town.

[SirCakez]

Why would Fire lie? Give me a good explanation for this.

[SirCakez]

"He didn't trust us" is not a good explanation. Just sounds like reaching.

[SirCakez]

There's two scum left at most.
I think Nahdia is right actually, if it's 4v2 then a mislynch is gg unless someone stops a kill somehow.

[SirCakez]

It states it, not really implying.

[SirCakez]

I am not seeing NH and GL both being town here, period.

[SirCakez]

That's pretty much how I've been analyzing this game lol. Except not arbitrary reasons for picking the scum.
I'll answer your question above on a computer so I can grab quotes.

[SirCakez]

GL, will do your thing later today, totally forgot sorry.

[SirCakez]

Highly doubt there's two scum rbers.

[SirCakez]

FINALLY doing the NH thing for GL now

NH has a lot of crap posts about me, until 398 where they call Thor's posts off which is a + now but I didn't know that at the time obviously.The entire Thor push starting there I liked and is where they started improving for me. Much less shit throwing at me and GL from there.

however I just found this while reviewing their ISO

Spoiler:

Thor, you're asking me to read subtext. I struggle with that. I also hate meta. I could do fire but it's not a wagon I am thrilled by.

I will keep looking to see what you're getting at since I am pretty sure you're town.

Dwlee, Thor is like my first IC ever in a noob game. Why he's selling meta is weird but I don't think he'd make that strong of a push if he wasn't town.

~Mom

This is pretty gross considering Thor is now flipped group scum.
Also

Since we have just over two days to deadline and you already have votes, sure.

VOTE: Thor

You sheepy scum? Thor is obvtown and you've piled on almost every wagon.

Since we have just over two days to deadline and you already have votes, sure.

VOTE: Thor

You sheepy scum? Thor is obvtown and you've piled on almost every wagon.

Yep, that's why I voted Ari with nobody else on it whatsoever. You seemed to like my vote when it was on the same wagon as you, however.

Also, what makes Thor obvtown? Granted I've only played one game with him, but this doesn't seem any different than that game and he was scum.

Your Ari vote lasted all of twenty minutes. You abandoned it upon the first request. Your Ari vote is a show vote.

Yup, because I figured you'd do something other than be passive and I am thankful for all votes on scum.

Thor is obvtown precisely for his Fire push. Scum Thor could easily justify jumping on Cakes or massive, instead he pushes Fire. Unless his team is SirCakez and massive, Thor is town.

OK, then why are you allowing Titus to spout all of this 'obvtown' bullshit about Thor?

PEdit - The case against Thor is that he is trying to lynch a claimed PR.

So what? There's a lot of PRs. Scum can claim PR day 1. I have in the past.

Firebringer notably didn't do that in Machina and has a terrible defense o Cakey.

Thor is obvtown for not just sitting on his hands, like he could have.

PR and not doing jackshit is scummy as fuck, particularly when he says scum will never kill him. Give me a break.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go deal with work.

I expect a wagon on FB or Cakey or GL or Jeanne to take and go through or you're all grounded.

~Mom

etc etc
Lots of calling Thor obvtown with 0 or weak reasoning behind it

[SirCakez]

ok so like either fire lied about targeting thor and getting blocked or there are two scum roleblockers. I'm trying to think of possibilities where there are two scum roleblockers, maybe like the scum team would be like:
1-Shot BP
Roleblocker
Joat with a roleblock?

But like even with two roleblockers firebringer would have needed to be lying about targeting jeanne n1 to explain why there isn't an ascetic.
So fire HAS to be lying somewhere, which is reallllyyyyy concerning.
~Dad

Not really? This doesn't look genuine.

[SirCakez]

You think Fire lied?

[SirCakez]

You think there are two scum roleblockers?
GL isn't ascetic unless he's scum.

[SirCakez]

Nahdia I'm pretty sure you're the only one townreading NH here.

[SirCakez]

I can color the VCs when I get home I guess "cries"
Even if you're scum I can try to use them at least.

[SirCakez]

Can we just hammer NL, this game makes my head hurt >.<

[SirCakez]

But you said not to hammer nolynch <.<

[SirCakez]

gg Aero

[SirCakez]

1.4 Cakey wagon not taking off suggests he's scum. The players who all voted for Cakey are suspiciously dead.

This is terrible though. Shadowez and Tojam got mislynched, only BBT ate a NK of the people on my wagon.

[SirCakez]

Only zefiend and I still need to claim I think?

[SirCakez]

I'm a "Philosophy Major" (stoner basically), VT.
And because I wasn't sure if we were going to finish the claims but you decided to claim so finished it up.
Still think NH is the correct lynch.

[SirCakez]

Oh that's bizarre I thought you did claim for some reason GI. That was a mistake.
Also leaning massive for other scum, he's done fuck all all game.

[SirCakez]

Every time someone says this, I remind them that I put out an associative case between you and Thor, and then they stop talking to me. I guess you keep coming back to this "massive did nothing all game" because really it's all you've got, and you hope I won't just regurgitate it?

Because you have done nothing all game.
Thor was keeping me as a pocket scumread iirc, can you quote this case because I can't remember it at all.

I think titus is right about zefiend. like the coordinated attack on us from them and sircakez
Dont you know not to make obvious associatives in lylo?

This is also bad, basically OMGUS.

[SirCakez]

Because I haven't seen it or heard of it until now?

[SirCakez]

Every time someone says this, I remind them that I put out an associative case between you and Thor, and then they stop talking to me. I guess you keep coming back to this "massive did nothing all game" because really it's all you've got, and you hope I won't just regurgitate it?

Because you have done nothing all game.
Thor was keeping me as a pocket scumread iirc, can you quote this case because I can't remember it at all.

I think titus is right about zefiend. like the coordinated attack on us from them and sircakez
Dont you know not to make obvious associatives in lylo?

This is also bad, basically OMGUS.

there's a difference between "you're scum for voting me / thinking I'm scum" and "you're scum for how bad your reasons are, your tone in all your posts, and blatant buddying / coordination"

Oops
What'd bad about his reasons/tone/buddying/etc?

[SirCakez]

Still not quoting the case lol.

[SirCakez]

I can go find it (and will, but tomorrow since I'm tired), I just find your resistance to this really pointless and untownie.

[SirCakez]

I am intrigued that as I come in and start a hard push on scum the massive wagon disintegrates and the Cake wagon builds.

Thor comes in, WKs my wagon, and pushes STRONG on Firebringer, which leads me to think Firebringer is most likely town. But Thor makes references throughout D1 about SirCakez, about how (for instance, above) Cakez shouldn't be the counterwagon to my D1 wagon, but Firebringer should be.

He has some late interactions with Cakez after that, but it's almost always in context of the Firebringer push. He waffles about Cakez (eventually putting him to scum on par with FB but doing nothing about it), but abandons it at the beginning of D2 to chase Jeanne.

So I guess I go back and reread Cakez's wagon from D1 and then from there.

------

GL:

Why does scum-Aristophanes neighborize scum-NH?

Massive - this is your case for Thor being scum with me yeah?
These are all about posts from Thor, nothing from me. What is there for me to defend against here? It's all Thor's posts.

[SirCakez]

Still think NH is scum despite that wall.
Kinda tempted to go for massive instead of them today though.

[SirCakez]

Every time someone says this, I remind them that I put out an associative case between you and Thor, and then they stop talking to me. I guess you keep coming back to this "massive did nothing all game" because really it's all you've got, and you hope I won't just regurgitate it?

This sounded like you wanted me to respond to it somehow.

[SirCakez]

*kicks game*
I don't see scum having an Ascetic and a Roleblocker combined with there already being a dead Jailkeeper/Ascetizer. It just seems like way too much rolestopping power in one game for very very few visiting roles. The only dead town visiting roles are Shadowez the Neighborizer and Fire the JK variation, and then we have NH's Tracker claim.

[SirCakez]

massive/NH

[SirCakez]

Aristo was also visiting.

How is town blocker vs scum blocker unlikely?

Where do you currently stand with respect to NH's tracker claim? If you don't believe it then your vote today is obvious. But if you do believe it, your vote today should still be obvious UNLESS you think Fire lied. In that case you would be voting massive today? Please explain your stance regardless.

Town visiting roles, Aristo wasn't town

It creates really weird action resolution problems if they target each other for example.

I think they're scum, pretty sure I made it clear.

[SirCakez]

I'm pretty sure if massive is scum he's getting bussed and was getting bussed earlier when he got wagoned. Zefiend didn't vote on that wagon pretty sure.

[SirCakez]

Who, Zefiend or massive?

[SirCakez]

Increases chance of Zefiend being town if massive is scum basically
Doesn't really affect my massive read

[SirCakez]

I'm not super concerned about you voting me since I'm very confident you're scum and now you apparently being eager to vote me despite the LyLo just supplements that more

[SirCakez]

Also waiting on massive (prodge in disguise)

[SirCakez]

Is massive replaying the game from day 1 or something?

[SirCakez]

basically for NH to be town either
-GL is ascetic scum
-Fire lied about his night actions

I find them being scum far more likely then either of the two listed above

[SirCakez]

The deathtunnel Titus had on me for much of day 1 and now for today as well doesn't feel like her towngame. I think she'd be more open and not using terrible reasoning like "faked his reads" as town.

[SirCakez]

lol @ people saying titus is scummy and completely ignoring this head. feelsbadman
I can understand your frustration with titus this game but that doesnt make is scum nor are we

It does make your slot scummy if she's scummy though
You compose half the slot, she composes the other

[SirCakez]

I never said your play was town?

[SirCakez]

Most of your stuff relates to Titus though

[SirCakez]

Dwlee's play is 100% town.
Titus' play is scummy.

lolk tell me more about how we're scum :3

lol @ people saying titus is scummy and completely ignoring this head. feelsbadman
I can understand your frustration with titus this game but that doesnt make is scum nor are we

I cant speak for titus *shrug*
But cakes do you have any reason to think we are scum other than weird night interactions?

Titus does the vca, not me. Also tho I want my question answered

Dwlee staph it. You're wrong here. Stop pestering massive.

catching this for titus


ok so my dad is on the computer but when he is off we can talk

I saw very little in the first day that made me think NH wasn't town (the only thing was being the only vocal person against the Thor wagon), which helps settle some nagging feelings. They're the only one who consistently tried to figure out the game from the night actions, which is important, even though I think it's been distracting.

Mostly this. what are the nagging feelings of? Is it you trying to fabricate a scum read on us? That is what it feels like. Here is the thought process I see:
Nh seems town day one. Titus head defended thor though and is therefore scum. What?

All of these are about Titus

[SirCakez]

OK I meant today, not like the entire game.

[SirCakez]

What is "your question"?

[SirCakez]

The deathtunnel Titus had on me for much of day 1 and now for today as well doesn't feel like her towngame. I think she'd be more open and not using terrible reasoning like "faked his reads" as town.

I answered that already

[SirCakez]

I don't think Titus has a scummy playstyle.
I'm not ignoring your posts, there's just nothing especially townie or scummy coming from you compared to Titus.

[SirCakez]

BBT is dead town....
If anything that's another thing that points to you two being scum.

And yes I think your play is null here Dwlee.

[SirCakez]

I haven't even voted lol

[SirCakez]

Except that you are the scum

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakey

Dwlee and I agree on this.

???

[SirCakez]

DEADLINE SUDDENLY APPEARS 8 HOURS
VOTE: massive
I am more confident in this being scum then NH

[SirCakez]

If there's some Evolution Mafia bullshit here and we deadline nolynch I'll be pretty pisaed.

[SirCakez]

Neither of those are going to happen

[SirCakez]

You really think as scum I come in here and bump the game 8 hours before deadline when I could easily let the timer run down?

[SirCakez]

I can move to NH for deadline

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Night Hunters
If they are town, town's lost already.

[SirCakez]

Because NH is dead set on me being scum. I have no illusions about where their vote is going if the game makes it to 3p LyLo.

[SirCakez]

Also zefiend is basically conf-town now. I don't see him being buddies with NH.

[SirCakez]

Actually no
We've assumed this whole time there's two scum left, but since there's was a SK it's possible there might only be one left.
10 - 2 - 1

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

If you think Massive is scum why didn't you vote him with me earlier?

[SirCakez]

Yeah I will
Someone else has to be here though

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Night Hunters
Yeah no, no point unvoting

[SirCakez]

You're right, massive won't hammer you because he's your buddy