Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)

[A Real Scourge]

no, that's wrong. the vote didn't bother me since i made it, it bothered me since iraon replied. it felt really right when i first made it.

[Raskolnikov]

The problem with scumreading ARS is that she sounds like a nice person

[A Real Scourge]

The problem with scumreading ARS is that she sounds like a nice person

aw! thank you.

but that shouldn't have anything to do with the game, Rask!

are you scumreading me then? are you really not voting me because of that, or was it just a joke? are you not voting me because you dislike the wagon?

[A Real Scourge]

waait Rask i just remembered that i had things that i wanted to explain to me. i think you told me that the meta thing with RC was a reaction test toward him, didn't you?

[Aristophanes]

I think I've been cattle prodded.

This is Ari checking in to say I'm not dead but we seem to have begun coasting in this hydra.

I'll have a post for sure on Monday (v/la fir work on weekends) if not before.
I'll try to get the cow in here in the meantime!

- Ari

[Alchemist21]

Irao's posts just then come off as forced to me. I need to ISO them when I get a chance because they've been off my radar until now.

[A Real Scourge]

i'm interested in your thoughts on iraon, Alchemist. what scum agenda do you see in his posts just then?

[Raskolnikov]

waait Rask i just remembered that i had things that i wanted to explain to me. i think you told me that the meta thing with RC was a reaction test toward him, didn't you?

It was 190. We talk sometimes and he told me several times before this game that he thinks AtE is the best tool in mafia. Standard response to what I said would have been to just tell me directly that it's ridiculous because of just how facetious it is, and in general to engage me (also sort me) rather than 'addressing the crowd' like he did (see 325 too). Then when FA said he wanted to just leave the game and she had to ask him to stay (looked genuine) it sort of invalidated that. If they were actually scum using AtE there you wouldn't go that far, and another thing I didn't want to mention (it would have been insulting at the time) is that replacing out even as a hydra head as scum under that pressure would be somewhat close to strategic which doesn't mean its impossible but definitely less likely. On the other hand it could also have been the case he was genuinely upset in that situation even as scum (I remember scum rc replaced out once in a game with titus for nai reasons) especially as the beeboy thing was from a previous game so I can't 100% clear them for town either.

[A Real Scourge]

i see, that's fine then. thanks for the detailed explanation.

so in the end it didn't give overwhelming evidence one way or the other. it's hard to for me to judge the because i've never played with you and only have word of mouth, but what you've done here seems like a reasonable course of action. can you reply to 452 as well?

[Raskolnikov]

i see, that's fine then. thanks for the detailed explanation.

so in the end it didn't give overwhelming evidence one way or the other. it's hard to for me to judge the because i've never played with you and only have word of mouth, but what you've done here seems like a reasonable course of action. can you reply to 452 as well?

181 is bad
I don't like how you were trying to be neutral with them even as you had E/A voted
346 is bad (somewhat moreso because it follows 345)
your view on beeboy is weird
Your attitude is friendly and even comes off as naive(?) which feels wrong for someone wagoned and under pressure
After a lot of reflection I think I'm weirded out because of how everytime you ask someone something or even scumread them it's like you give them an out, like a really big chance to change your mind.

But it was way too easy to wagon you which feels wrong and I don't like the people who hopped on. I'd feel better about something like kelbris because even if hes town I won't have any remorse.

[Elsa and Anna]

The real issue with the ARS wagon is that I tried to make counterwagons on people I thought were town but were objectively and none of them took.
Feels like a town wagon solely because of that, or the people I voted while trying to hit town (Alch) were scumpartners.
Either way, not too happy about the ARS wagon at this time. Not too happy about Raskol's 'sounds like a nice person' logic either but don't necessarily think it's alignment indicative.

I have good feelings about this.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Elsa and Anna]

Or whatever his hydra is called.

[Raskolnikov]

The real issue with the ARS wagon is that I tried to make counterwagons on people I thought were town but were objectively and none of them took.

What kind of ancient wizardry is this?

[Elsa and Anna]

Scum don't seem to be looking for counterwagons as far as I can see.

But were objectively scummy*

[iraonavp]

UNVOTE: A Real Scourge

Glad we could reach an understanding. I also conveniently have found another person to vote now, at the same time as I am no longer reading you as scum-aligned.

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

The real issue with the ARS wagon is that I tried to make counterwagons on people I thought were town but were objectively and none of them took.
Feels like a town wagon solely because of that, or the people I voted while trying to hit town (Alch) were scumpartners.
Either way, not too happy about the ARS wagon at this time. Not too happy about Raskol's 'sounds like a nice person' logic either but don't necessarily think it's alignment indicative.

I have good feelings about this.

VOTE: Aristophanes

I don't think that you have gathered any reliable information from this endeavour. You are making so many assumptions here it's just ridiculous. ARS could be being bussed already. Alchemist could be scum-aligned. The scum-aligned players might not be voting on your opportune counterwagon because they don't want to follow someone whose opinions appear to change at (on?) a whim. They may have felt unable to convincingly change wagons in the short day or whatever your pristine counterwagon opportunity gave them. Or, you could be scum-aligned! Trying to predict the actions of an alignment with so many interfering variables is comparable to astrology.

I have a hard time seeing you believe what you're saying here. It really looks to me like this is more serving the agenda of making E&A look town-aligned rather than finding the scum-aligned players. In a sort of "wow what a great try at finding scum, elsa and anna" way.

Also the way you deem it necessary to even announce this. You seem perfectly happy stating your opinion on other players without reasoning, "ars is a mislynch" would suffice.

I'll think about Aristophanes, I'm not sure how I feel about that vote.

[shos]

I need to get better hang on this game. Ill try to reread later, but this weekens might be busy. Sorry ._.

At least my townreads are still in place

[Elsa and Anna]

464 is awful and chainsawy.

[Alchemist21]

i'm interested in your thoughts on iraon, Alchemist. what scum agenda do you see in his posts just then?

To me it looked like he was trying to come up with any kind of reason for scumreading you. If you're Town, then Iraon could be nervous or hasty scum who doesn't want your wagon to lose traction. I plan to go back through his ISO some time today to get a deeper look at him.

[Alchemist21]

I think E&A are telling the truth about trying to see if a CW would form. It makes sense in the context of them voting with the player they were just voting because two votes on the wagon gave enough starting support that others could have joined, but it was built in a way that they could have backed off if needed/wanted. The main flaw to me is that they thought people would sheep naked votes instead of supplying some kind of reason to form the counterwagons, but if the plan was to back off at some point then maybe supplying reasons would just open a can of worms later down the road.

[Raskolnikov]

The main flaw to me is that they thought people would sheep naked votes instead of supplying some kind of reason to form the counterwagons

lol

[Klingoncelt]

Still sure shos is scum and not sure why we're voting otherwise.

Case, please?

i dunno about Snarky, but you can ISO me and ctrl-f shos if you want to see why he's scum.

Sorry about taking so long to post, but anyhoo I'll do that today.

[Elsa and Anna]

Last time I tried that counterwagon formation thing with reasons it ruined the game for Plotinus and Ether blacklisted me so I'm not going down that alleyway again.

Guess there's a happy medium to be found there. I'm not good at this.

[Davsto]

I think I've been cattle prodded.

This is Ari checking in to say I'm not dead but we seem to have begun coasting in this hydra.

I'll have a post for sure on Monday (v/la fir work on weekends) if not before.
I'll try to get the cow in here in the meantime!

- Ari

I'm going to be nice this time and allow this since I didn't make it clear or give any forewarning, but from now on, if a hydra is prodded, it

must

be the hydra that posts within the 24 hours, not a single head.

[Klingoncelt]

Why do you have a scum-aligned rolecard?

Your voting style, 5 votes in 25 posts, looks a little bit opportunistic. A lot opportunistic, actually. You're throwing votes around trying to see what sticks. You're earning Scum points that way.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I'm caught up for the day and so is Shos.

Anyone with a girlfriend that considers cutting his dick off over someone's alignment

has

to be Town.

UNVOTE:

Why did you defend shos?

Defend?

I sorted his alignment. Two different things.