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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:10 pm

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First.

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Post Post #6 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:10 pm

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VOTE: Nahdia

Haven't heard from phantom yet. So it might just be me for a while.
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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:11 pm

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The name wasn't my idea but it's growing on me~
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Post Post #9 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:11 pm

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Cakes are you town?
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Post Post #15 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:36 pm

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i made the name

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Post Post #17 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:04 pm

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beeboy knows what's up.
Mirhawk strikes me as a MM kinda guy.

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Post Post #20 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:52 pm

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^loltown
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Post Post #21 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:55 pm

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Also, the oracles are calling me to vote this.

VOTE: Phoenix wright

Probably the lamest and most disconnected rvs post I've seen in a while.

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Post Post #26 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:26 pm

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In post 25, Nahdia wrote:Whats's a Zelda again?

Confirmed scum.
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Post Post #30 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:37 pm

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ALTTP for me.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:54 pm

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Thank you Radja. For being the single person to acknowledge the only serious vote cast thus far.
This feels like the beginning of a beautiful townblock.

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Post Post #35 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:01 pm

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In post 34, Sensei wrote:We're both actual player people.

Dammit
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Post Post #71 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:44 pm

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In post 37, Phoenix Wright wrote:Why are you being so weird?

What did you hope to gain from asking me this?
Have I played with you before?

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Post Post #72 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:50 pm

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In post 41, Nahdia wrote:How is that a serious vote? I see nothing "lame and most disconnected" about 'phoenix's RVS post. Spell it out if you're for reals yo.

Gut.
But I'll explain it the best I can.

There were things going on before PW posted his RVS. All the posts up till PW flowed in some way and were kinda "connected" to each other - they looked more or less like a natural progression out of rvs. PWs vote on cookies felt like a conscious effort to hurdle over all of it.
The biggest ping probably came from the reasoning attached, which was lame and came across like someone thinking about it too much.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:53 pm

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Am even more enthused about my PW vote now btw.
That was a pretty soft soft soft omgus + a throwaway question that I can't imagine helping him better his read on us with. Or better yet move the game along at all.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:54 pm

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In post 48, Mirhawk wrote:/Trying to look town

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Vote: Cleavage

Hi Mirhawk.
Pretty weak vote you've got there.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:55 pm

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Cakes talk to me.
Who's scum?
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Post Post #76 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:57 pm

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In post 70, Dwlee99 wrote:I was doing it for reactions. :P

What did you get from those reactions?
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Post Post #80 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:18 pm

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In post 77, Dwlee99 wrote:I have no clue. o3o

Dav could be town or scum from that response.

But you're vote is still on him so I'm assuming you think he's scum for some reason?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:19 pm

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your*
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Post Post #82 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:29 pm

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In post 79, Phoenix Wright wrote:How could you even say that I was thinking about it too much with my vote lol. You're the one who's thinking too much. I was originally going to make a joke that cookies was baking people in the oven and not cookies, but I thought that was too morbid so I went with that other post. I seriously have no idea how you can say that "your name is highly suspicious" is me thinking too much. It couldn't have been more obvious that I wasn't serious.

Never said that you were trying to be serious.
But you're taking my elaboration on a gut read, which, obviously isn't going to be concrete evidence and trying to "debunk" it.
Reads as scum who thinks they're caught for the wrong reasons pretty hard rn.

In post 79, Phoenix Wright wrote:And your next post is complete bs because I didn't OMGUS you at all. I didn't even move my vote or anything. The question would progress the game because that was my way of asking you for the reason behind your vote. Pretty much everything that you've said in the game so far has been sketchy as hell, so now I am gonna vote for you

Yea this is scum.

You're trying to wriggle out of a scumread by dancing around with semantics here. OMGUS comes in many forms besides votes.
You didn't ask for the reasoning behind my vote. You asked why I was being weird. <-This is the OMGUS coupled with you saying you were "slightly suspicious" of us later on in your interaction with cakes. But wanted to see more from us first. Pretty hedgy and looked like posturing to vote us. (oh hey look what happened)

What would an answer to that question accomplish for you? Why didn't you answer this when I asked you before?
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Post Post #83 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:31 pm

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In other words you decidedly skipped .
Would still like an answer.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #22) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:44 pm

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In post 37, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 32, clearance only wrote:Thank you Radja. For being the single person to acknowledge the only serious vote cast thus far.
This feels like the beginning of a beautiful townblock.

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Why are you being so weird?

So this is you asking me what my reason for voting you was?
Because that's not what it looks like to me.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #23) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:49 pm

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In post 86, Phoenix Wright wrote:You did say I was being serious. You said my RVS post was overthinking things. It wasn't. And I don't understand why you said earlier that my RVS post didn't connect to the other ones. They're not supposed to connect. It's called RANDOM vote stage for a reason. As for the rest of this post you're literally just asking me to repeat everything I just said. This is a waste of time. And none of your reasons for thinking I'm scum are valid. I think that you're scum who's making up silly reasons to justify your vote on me. Try to be more subtle next time lol

Overthinking =/= serious.
Do you know what a gut read is?
Nothing in that post was addressed to you - it was an elaboration and solidification for the reasons that you rolled scum this game
Discredit me harder.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #24) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:55 pm

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In post 88, Phoenix Wright wrote:What else would it be? -_-

I don't know that's why I asked? Like that's a pretty weird way to ask that especially when I gave the reason for voting you the very last page so?
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Post Post #92 (isolation #25) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:57 pm

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In post 90, Phoenix Wright wrote:They're quite obviously the same thing. And how is a post where you quote me and talk about me not addressed to me? I don't even know what you're trying to say in that bolded part. Discredit me harder

Because I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum.
Holy banana nut muffins.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:03 pm

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Yea and if you can't figure out a reason for asking that other than the obvious bullshit that you were "asking me what my reason was" when you clearly weren't. Then you realize I have to go back to what I was assuming before right?

Soft omgus throwaway nothing question.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #27) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:12 pm

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In post 104, Phoenix Wright wrote:Did you ever explain exactly why you felt this way?

That is me explaining why I felt that way..
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Post Post #111 (isolation #28) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:16 pm

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In post 106, Phoenix Wright wrote:He's not scum for tunneling me. He's scum because it sounds like all of his reasons for why he says that he thinks I'm scum are horrible and seem insincere

I've been waiting for you to make a post that I've liked.
That hasn't happened yet.
And the longer it goes where you stick to your guns with this whole "he has no reason for voting me" when I've clearly had developing reasons and had an ever evolving read on you - the more convinced I get that you're flipping scum.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #29) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:17 pm

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Why dwlee?
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Post Post #115 (isolation #30) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:18 pm

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What about PW looks town to you.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #31) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:23 pm

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Has shiro even posted yet?
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Post Post #126 (isolation #32) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:26 pm

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In post 118, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 110, Phoenix Wright wrote:That's not explaining anything. Why'd you think I was tying to "hurdle over it"? What gave you the impression that I was overthinking it?

Don't ignore this

Look, bro.
Sometimes I get gut reads in RVS. Sometimes I'll drop them. Sometimes I'll pursue them.
I can't explain the inner mechanisms of my mind anymore than that. The fact that you're demanding me to go into a gut read further based on a read that I got based on like what... 5 words? And then ignoring the reasons I've brought up later on (which were pretty good) is very telling.
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Post Post #129 (isolation #33) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:29 pm

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You're choosing to focus on the weaker part of my case in an attempt to spin that I don't have valid reasons for voting you.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #34) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:36 pm

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In post 130, Phoenix Wright wrote:also, that's a cop out. You used those two things as part of your scum read and now that I'm confronting you on it you're give an answer that isn't an answe.

Dude holy monkey tits.
How much fucking more explanation do you need for a page 1 gut read?
More often than not I won't even elaborate at all.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #35) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:37 pm

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In post 131, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 129, clearance only wrote:You're choosing to focus on the weaker part of my case in an attempt to spin that I don't have valid reasons for voting you.

Because you don't. You just admitted that in your last post. You said that you didn't gave an explanation for coming to that conclusion.

This is "scum who doesn't know why they're being scumread" to a fucking T.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #36) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:38 pm

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PW who's scum then?
You just backed down from the only hard stance you've taken so far.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #37) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:43 pm

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To be fair at least 1 person lurking has gotta be scum.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #38) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:24 pm

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Oh lol I was like "what the shit is varsoon doing in here."
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Post Post #160 (isolation #39) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:25 pm

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Nahdia I'm having trouble ascertaining what exactly your read on PW is.
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Post Post #161 (isolation #40) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:33 pm

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In post 155, SirCakez wrote:Really don't like . Looks to me like an attempt to try to disengage from the argument when the tide turned against him.

I agree that more often than not town will fight it out till the bitter end.
Phoenix Wright feels like he wants me to go away.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #41) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:46 pm

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In post 162, Mirhawk wrote:They've really been arguing over a stupid point that only really matters to the two of them, personally I don't think either of them really looks any better or worse than the other.

No no no.
What happened to the scumread you had on our slot earlier.
Especially since our "argument" (don't understand why you're all calling it that - it's clearly me making a push) didn't sway your read on either of us.

There's a big jump in progression here.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #42) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:40 pm

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In post 164, Mirhawk wrote:Yes yes yes

Your post to Radja was a little tryhard.

But that's not really that big a thing, not big enough to ignore beeboy at least.

Okay. I can buy that for now.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #43) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:42 pm

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Also toog's response is the exact reason why I never try and explain gut reads.
If you don't get it. That's fine.
But don't snipe at that when I've evolved my reasoning since.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #44) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:44 pm

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In post 171, Davsto wrote:Also, cleavage, please sign your posts it would super duper help thanks~

This has been all Sensei if that helps.
I think phantom posted once.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #45) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:28 pm

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In post 172, beeboy wrote:I think I ha\/e a pretty solid spot on PW and you guys are strawmaning the shit out of what is happening.

What exactly do you feel they (toog and mirhawk?) are misrepresenting?

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Post Post #177 (isolation #46) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:29 pm

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Davsto vote somebody.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #47) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:45 am

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In post 180, Cookie Bakers wrote:Shiro made the first post ;p

Totally thought that was a titus post.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #48) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:49 am

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In post 178, Toogeloo wrote:Why is it important he have a vote down this very moment?

To see what direction he goes in to better my read on him?
Move the game along?
Enrich vca for later?

That goes for a lot of people too.
Specifically PW. Whom I've yet to see develop a scumread outside his omgus on me and is more focusing on those scumreading him. (not a good sign)
Cakes is still parking his rvs.
Not quite sure where cookies is at either.
Aristo is apparently a person in this game or something.

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Post Post #193 (isolation #49) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:18 am

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In post 186, Xkfyu wrote:There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.

Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?

Definitely gave me more scumvibes than any of the other apparent abundance of weak votes about.
The reasoning he tacked on was honestly horrible.
And felt like a really shallow analysis of said post.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #50) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:21 am

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Like I could see buddying or as PW called it "weird." Or whatever buzz word/phrase you wanna go with.
But trying to look town...not really?
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Post Post #198 (isolation #51) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:27 am

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Depends honestly.
I've chainsawed for my townreads before. But they've gotta be pretty confident townreads.

Did you think his vote looked town?
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Post Post #202 (isolation #52) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:30 am

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Huh. I've been kinda under the impression Phoenix was a secret alt or something.
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Post Post #205 (isolation #53) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:41 am

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Phoenix would it be too much trouble to get your thoughts on everyone so far?
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Post Post #207 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:59 am

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I had a dream like MLK

Bring blacks to oscars 2017

MAke the oscars great again

Ten nominees higher

Cakes is weird :/ I'm confused on his play though

Cakes spam the thread with all your dreams so I can be enlightened with your ideas
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Post Post #208 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:59 am

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-PC
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Post Post #291 (isolation #56) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:59 pm

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In post 210, Phoenix Wright wrote:Davsto- It doesn't feel like he's putting a lot of effort into the game so far. Null
Aristophanes- I didn't even know this person was in the game, so that sets off a few red flags in my head. Why isn't he posting at all? Scum lean

What makes these alignment indicative?

Xkfyu- I kind of agree with everything that he's said so far. Town lean

What have you been agreeing with from this slot? Anything else you're seeing that you like?

Nahdia-They're not trying to jump on wagons or anything, so they seem town enough for now

But Nahdia did vote on the Davsto wagon.
Far more low key than yours, though, I suppose.

Also why is Aristo a scumlean for not being a presence so far over Radja who is null?

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Post Post #293 (isolation #57) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:11 pm

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In post 203, SirCakez wrote:
In post 199, Phoenix Wright wrote:But that's not what I was trying to do. I know that this is a game where you have to deeply analyze people's posts, but you've all been over analyzing everything I've said for a long time now. There's no hidden agenda, there's no deeper meaning: when I say something I mean exactly what I'm saying. So when I have my reason for unvoting him, I was being genuine. You're seriously trying to tell me that after a mislynch you wouldn't be suspicious of the people who lead that wagon? Maybe you're right and I just don't know how it works. I've only finished one game after all, and it wasn't on this site

Saying it's genuine doesn't make it genuine. Of course we are analyzing your posts a lot, we're suspicious of you.
And yeah you should be suspicious of people who lead a mislynch.

Something off about this post.
Like, tonally it's coming across like coaching.
Which
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But I think it's worse considering cakes is scumreading PW so I'm scratching my head at the motivation for cakes to make sure PW is using what he considers more solid reasoning for his reads.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #58) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:16 pm

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In post 214, Nahdia wrote:
In post 160, clearance only wrote:Nahdia I'm having trouble ascertaining what exactly your read on PW is.
Same tbh.

He's got the most posts in the game. Enough to get some kind of read on him no?
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Post Post #297 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:18 pm

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Radja's catch up was a bit underwhelming but felt town enough.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:21 pm

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In post 232, Mirhawk wrote:It may be paranoia but Toogleoo and Xkyfu's votes on Beeboy feel over-justified. Toog's in particular, it looks like he took Bb's iso and found a reason to pick at every single thing he's said. Later when I have time I'll do a bit of meta on Toog to see if this is how he makes cases.

I've made exits from tunnels before in similar ways to the way Phoenix did both as town and scum, so I don't know if its alignment indicative.
His reads list is kinda meh though. Also despite the fact that he generated that list after he unvoted cleavage, he didn't vote for any of the players on it he had labeled as scum.

@phoenix
Why didn't you vote for any of your scumreads?

By the GODS. Is this a Mirhawk post that I actually like?
More of these please.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:25 pm

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In post 237, SirCakez wrote:
is an awful vote/post. Definitely liking my Phoenix vote still.

Why?
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Post Post #300 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:30 pm

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In post 273, SirCakez wrote:
In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

I'm sorry you rolled scum this game, cakes.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:30 pm

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VOTE: sircakez
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Post Post #305 (isolation #64) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:55 pm

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In post 286, Dwlee99 wrote:Does that mean I can lurk? :D

Please no.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #65) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:57 pm

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Tbh beeboy's reaction to the wagon on him isn't bad. Probably won't be voting him.

All these posts have been Sensei btw.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #66) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:53 am

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@PW can you please respond to

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Post Post #311 (isolation #67) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:54 am

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Cookies what do you guys think of cakes?
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Post Post #314 (isolation #68) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:16 am

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I'm not really confused about it anymore. I'm gonna take it at face value that you've only got a couple games under your belt here and I am kinda coming around to see how you might genuinely hold conviction for what I originally was thinking were silly things. (thinking that inactivity is alignment indicative - being pushed hard means that person is town etc) When before I was under the impression you were a bit more seasoned.

I asked those questions because I was curious of your thought process for thinking those things to see if you were talking out your ass more or less.

I've also liked how engaged and upbeat your posting has been fwiw and frankly there are slots that I'm more interested in lynching now.

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Post Post #319 (isolation #69) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:24 am

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In post 316, Cookie Bakers wrote:Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,
See I have this inner contradiction I feel like he could be scum with Dav that voted PW to shift the leading wwagon but that would make his post you mentioned really unlikly to come from scum who push a mislynch. If we assume cakes with PW and it being a coachign post. The above with him suddenly changin his mind and voting him again makes no sense.

Couple things. Davsto was never a serious wagon. So let's not assume there was any attempt to swing away from that because scum would probably guess its dissipation eventually. (also you'd need to assume davsto scum and that's preflips anyway)

Also, coaching isn't always necessarily a scum on scum thing. In fact it's normally not.

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Post Post #320 (isolation #70) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:25 am

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Because coaching when it's most telling is when there's subtle manipulation going on and you don't really have a need to influence your partners.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #71) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:35 am

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But that's the thing it wasn't an attempt to try and make him "more town-like" it was cakes telling PW (pretty blatantly) that he shouldn't be townreading us.
I struggle to see the town motive in trying to influence
a scumreads
reads like that.
Like call him out sure and maybe supplement that to his scumread but not act as though Phoenix Wright was
genuinely
thinking those things and try and talk him out of his flawed reasoning.

Bottom line it's just a weird interaction.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #72) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:36 am

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I'm probably doing a terrible job at explaining all this but just trust me here.

Cakes is probably scum.
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Post Post #325 (isolation #73) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:37 am

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In post 322, Nahdia wrote:God there sure are a lot of words here someone please tell me what to think lol

Vote for cakes.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #74) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:42 am

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In post 330, Nahdia wrote:I for one like to tell people they're wrong for the sake of telling people they're wrong :]

This is literally not at all what my point is.
jfc
This is gonna be a long game.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #75) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:46 am

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In post 273, SirCakez wrote:
In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.

It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.

It's 100% a scum post.

Vote for cakes.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #76) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:49 am

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YESSSSS
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Post Post #342 (isolation #77) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:57 am

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NAHDIA GETS IT
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Post Post #360 (isolation #78) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:04 am

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Shiroooooooo
vote for cakesssssssss

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Post Post #410 (isolation #79) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:22 pm

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In post 370, Radja wrote:I'm sorry. I do tend to underwhelm. I'll try harder.

Which head was this?

Sensei.
Didn't realize it was hard to tell.

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Post Post #411 (isolation #80) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:23 pm

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In post 372, Radja wrote:
In post 300, clearance only wrote:
In post 273, SirCakez wrote:
In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

I'm sorry you rolled scum this game, cakes.


You're going to have to explain this. I am still townreading Cakez.

Could have swore I did just that on the very next page.
What has cakes done that's deserving of a townread at this point?
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Post Post #412 (isolation #81) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:25 pm

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In post 378, SirCakez wrote:Why was there absolutely zero mention of your suspicions until cleavage voted me?
Case coming when I get to a computer later

Because you were doing a glorious job of not bringing any attention to yourself until then.

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Post Post #413 (isolation #82) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:27 pm

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In post 386, Davsto wrote:
In post 177, clearance only wrote:Davsto vote somebody.

This gives me an instinctive urge not to vote anybody. Just saying.

fwiw I loled pretty hard at this

Rest of your post notably lacks a stance on cakes, though. Get to work on that.

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Post Post #414 (isolation #83) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:30 pm

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In post 380, 3dicerolling wrote:
beeboy (5) - Mirhawk, Toogeloo, Xkyfu, Phoenix Wright, Davsto

@Mirhawk/rest of the game

This look like a wagon on scum to you?
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Post Post #419 (isolation #84) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:20 am

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In post 415, Xkfyu wrote:I think it looks fine. Why?

Well XK, I'm pretty meh on you. Very meh on toog. Coming around PW I guess. Dav's
alright
, though I don't like how he didn't touch on any of the talks about cakes and plopped a driveby vote down on the biggest wagon then skedaddled. And cakes has been posturing to vote beeboy since very very early on.

I think the townest name on there is Mirhawk but I'm not strong on that and want to talk to him about cakes because he threw a bit of light suspicion there and hasn't really gone anywhere with it since.

BL it's just a constituency that I'm not enthusiastic about at all.

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Post Post #420 (isolation #85) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:55 am

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In post 418, Mirhawk wrote:Its So so.

SEE SEE.
You're not sure.
That's your instincts telling you somethings wrong.
Let's rock the boat a bit.
Help me lynch sircakez.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #86) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:05 am

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Nothing all that notable to me in posts 416 + 417 really.

Like this:
In post 416, Aristophanes wrote:Alright, time to post and play and shit!

Sorta gives me the impression that aristophanes is pretty aware of his lurking and kinda rubs me the wrong way but it's not enough to confidently call him scum.

In post 417, Aristophanes wrote:Got to page 12. Not much changed.

This isn't great either.

In post 417, Aristophanes wrote:Also, for people who supposedly read the game, you are really bad at picking up little things like the fact that BeeBoy's "V" key is not broken, and that using "\/" instead has nothing to do with the game.

And this. Aristophanes, is making me wonder if you've actually only read up until page 12 because I distictly remember talks of beeboys V card only really being a serious thing recently.
*goes to check*
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Post Post #422 (isolation #87) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:12 am

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Okay scratch that last part. Toog said something about thinking it was a "role restriction" on p11.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #88) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:00 am

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In post 424, Radja wrote:His read development on Phoenix looks pretty logical to me. He pressured him until 67, after which he disengaged, telling that he would reassess him in 85. When Phoenix unvotes in 136, he calls him out on it in 155 and votes him again in 187. He then moves on to comment on beeboy and then starts pressuring Phoenix again. Phoenix is still my biggest scumread, so I don't have a problem with that at all.

When you say logical. How do you mean? And how is that alignment indicative again?
I mean sure cakes has an uncontradicted trail of his read progression on Phoenix. Does that automatically make it genuine?

He starts with a slight push on him and then an almost immediate back down.
Which sorta leaves me curious about what in that exchange looked so town from PW to him to just all but disengage from the exchange.
Later, I pursue the push and he decides to coattails it.
What's unfakable about that? Cakes have a terrible scumgame or something?

What are your thoughts on the points I made earlier?
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Post Post #426 (isolation #89) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:03 am

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In post 424, Radja wrote:How are you reading Phoenix, cleavage?

Double checked his iso after his last post 423 there. lol
Pretty confident the guy is town.
A lot of what was rubbing me the wrong way with him I think can be chalked up to newness.
Hold on.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #90) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:07 am

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In post 312, Phoenix Wright wrote:I don't get why you're all acting confused about me thinking aristo is scummy. It's pretty straightforward. His first post is him saying that he'll catch up and post the next day. There were barely any pages at that point so he could've caught up in like 5 minutes, but ok let's ignore that for a second. The next day's comes around and he doesn't post at all. Right now it's almost 2 days later and he still hasn't talked. Doesn't it seem like he's skating through the game without doing anything? Isn't it more suspicious to my try to help the town at all than it is to at least say something?

This thought vomit here is pretty good and while wrong. Feels like actual conviction.
Plus, engagement is really good and didn't ball up or go lurk during the push and even up till now while there's still votes and a loaming cakes case coming on him.

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Post Post #435 (isolation #91) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:48 am

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In post 428, SirCakez wrote:I actually have a terrible town game

No you don't. You and gale wanted a cop on titus in pyp and I talked you guys out of it. And I changed my read on voided but you stuck to your guns there correctly.
Feel better man.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #92) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:05 am

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Titus.
What's up.
How are you.

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Post Post #445 (isolation #93) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:06 am

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Why are you not commenting on my cakes push at all?
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Post Post #447 (isolation #94) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:09 am

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In post 444, Dwlee99 wrote:Sensei where is phantom?

Dunno. Haven't heard from him in a while.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #95) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:11 am

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In post 436, Cookie Bakers wrote:PW or whoever the counter is is almost certainly town. We haven't been pressured at all, despite our only contribution being our collective gut saying Toog is scum. If both were scum, I would see a scramble for a counter. Pw by play is town as well.

Counter-wagon to who?
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Post Post #450 (isolation #96) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:14 am

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In post 446, Cookie Bakers wrote:*shrug*Cakey looks town to me.

Then go read my points on cakes. Think they're about page 13 or so.
Nobody has challenged those points yet.
Lots of people are ignoring it.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #97) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:31 am

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In post 334, clearance only wrote:
In post 273, SirCakez wrote:
In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.

It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.

It's 100% a scum post.

Vote for cakes.

Here's my smoking gun. (it was on the next page)
It's good.
You're clear to sheep this.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #98) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:32 am

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Please titus if you're town I need help.
I'm herding fucking cats right now.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #99) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:34 am

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In post 451, Cookie Bakers wrote:What are your thoughts on Toog?

Not townreading it. Would lynch it.
But cakes is going to flip scum like FOR SURE and we've already got some support there.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #100) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:44 am

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In post 451, Cookie Bakers wrote:People do this all the time. Seeing what scumreads do allows for reevaluation of your scumread or getting information about their buddies. Scum get caught in the choices they make and the inconsistencies in their narratives.

Where within that post did I say anywhere, anything about cakes trying to "see what scumreads do?"

The inconsistency in the narrative is spelled out for you. That's not how you interaction with someone who you think is scum.
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Post Post #457 (isolation #101) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:46 am

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*interact
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Post Post #458 (isolation #102) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:48 am

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Am I wasting my time?
Are you content with sidelining your vote for a lurker lynch and expecting people to sheep you because "gut."
While I've got a wagon festering on scum right now?

Gonna be a long game.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #103) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:08 am

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In post 461, Toogeloo wrote:If there is something wrong with the wagon, why do you want to pursue someone not related to the wagon at all?

Because the person I'm pursuing is obvscum.
What does one even have to do with the other?

And yes you could say he's technically involved with it by all the blatant posturing cakes has been doing wrt beeboy.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #104) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:12 am

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In post 464, SirCakez wrote:I've already explained this question.
God I hate deathtunnelers

Yes you've reiterated many times how that was just a harmless little town post without having to use semantics arguments at all.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #105) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:12 am

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That was sarcasm btw.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #106) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:18 am

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Here you go.
In post 188, SirCakez wrote:I see there's a beeboy wagon forming. I've been glazing over his posts honestly, let me ISO him.

In post 194, SirCakez wrote:Beeboy's iso is actually pretty small. Two posts that stuck out to me were and . Those were both really awkward. So Beeboy is nullscum for me atm.

In post 248, SirCakez wrote:Showing up quickly after being accused of lurking is quite scummy. My beeboy read drops further.

Actually these are all notable instances at just how stern and "correct" cakes has been with most of the very little stances he's made this game.

Like correct as in making a very big effort to make sure that his stance is clear and goes in an almost eerily step by step manner in progression that rings a lot more like someone who doesn't want to be called out on a contradiction and less like someone with naturally developing reads.

Just doesn't feel fluid.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #107) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:18 am

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In post 469, SirCakez wrote:He actually never responded to the question I'm pretty sure.

That literally doesn't matter on my point, though.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #108) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:19 am

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Cakes I'm getting you lynched today get used to it.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #109) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:31 am

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It's a role madness mate.
That's not gonna save ya.
Especially when you're softing at L-4.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #110) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:34 pm

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The point isn't that it would lead to a lynch. Of course it wouldn't.
It's fake scumhunting. How that along with everything else cakes has done isn't jumping off the screen and slapping yall in the face is beyond me.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #111) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:55 pm

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Scum have evolved since 2010, Mirhawk. Not everything they do is some elaborate attempt to push a mislynch at all costs.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #112) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:10 pm

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Soft scumclaim?
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Post Post #494 (isolation #113) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:17 pm

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Pretty sure he softclaimed because he wants what pressure that's on him, off.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #114) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:29 pm

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No there's definitely a hefty amount of pressure on him. There's a towndriven wagon there atm. I'm pushing for his lynch pretty hard if you haven't noticed.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #115) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:30 pm

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In post 496, Mirhawk wrote:Should probably stop using softclaim. That would be something else. Soft scumread maybe.

Wait what are you referring to then?
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Post Post #499 (isolation #116) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:31 pm

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In post 473, SirCakez wrote:And no I'm not just going to give up and get mislynched. My role is confirmable anyways but I'd rather not claim.

This right?
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Post Post #501 (isolation #117) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:46 pm

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Oh ok. So let me make it clearer. I'm not arguing that that post was him attempting to do anything other than look town and throw shade.
There doesn't need to be some deeper conspiracy motive to all scum posts. Look at the town motive vs scum motive.
Dwlee made a good point too about how that question conflicts with the narrative of cakes' previous(?) townread there.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #118) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:50 pm

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In post 273, SirCakez wrote:
In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

(very first mention of dwlee)
In post 313, SirCakez wrote:Dwlee why are you still voting Davsto?

(second mention of dwlee)
In post 398, SirCakez wrote:And there goes my town read on Dwlee.

(this was OMGUS after dwlee votes him)

Read progression here is actually weirder than I recalled.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #119) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:55 am

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Dav beeboy is VLA everywhere.
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Post Post #505 (isolation #120) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:56 am

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Until monday I think.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #121) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:16 am

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COME ON DAVE LET'S GET A CAKES VOTE YOU KNOW IT IN YOUR HEART IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO
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Post Post #509 (isolation #122) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:25 am

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you're killing me smalls
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Post Post #510 (isolation #123) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:27 am

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Like your point about beeboy trying to lurk off his wagon was just proven false.
But you wanna stay anyway?
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Post Post #514 (isolation #124) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 3:56 am

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In post 511, SirCakez wrote:I killed my town read on dwlee because "asking stupid questions" is a horrendous reason to vote someone.

Yea no.
Your "turnaround" is fake because your previous interactions don't even subtly hint at you thinking he was town in the first place.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #125) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 3:59 am

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In post 512, SirCakez wrote:Sensei I'm going to smack you a lot post game if you're town because you're being an idiot and taking one good question which was ignored and blowing it ridiculously out of proportion.

And, again. Why the delay in this if you were starting to waver in your read on me?

Also, no, that is pretty far from the only reason I think you're scum. Good try, though.
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Post Post #517 (isolation #126) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:01 am

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Phoenix, help me lynch obvscum please.

You saw how bad his case on you was.

That honestly feel like someone who genuinely thinks your scum?

Why's he not pushing it but instead floundering around defending himself and not really scumhunting?
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Post Post #519 (isolation #127) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:04 am

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In post 516, SirCakez wrote:Arguing with death tunnelers is impossible though

Wouldn't call myself a "deathtunneler."
That playstyle is cancerous.
When I've got a confident scumread I'll push it. That's about it.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #128) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:14 am

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Dwlee, how do you feel about cookies?
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Post Post #535 (isolation #129) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:34 am

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Phoenix, go through XK's iso, it's not too long. I know you said you've agreed with some points but you should know that agreeing with people isn't alignment indicative.
Look through it more with a "is this guy looking for scum" mindset and tell me what you find.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #130) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:42 am

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He can't man. He's scum.
Talk to me instead.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #131) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:43 am

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fwiw cakes I also kinda wanna see that readslist
i guess
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Post Post #544 (isolation #132) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:45 am

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The mental image of what your reads look like in my head right now is something like

town - me
scum - pw, dwlee, dav, toog, beeboy

and that's about it
which is worrying on its own
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Post Post #551 (isolation #133) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:56 am

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Calling for a vig on aristo at this point. Don't think anyone would disagree to that.
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Post Post #555 (isolation #134) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:05 am

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Cakes what was the point of you calling out dav having a lurking scummeta and not pushing the game forward and all that stuff - just for him to end up in your null pile?
Last minute distancing or something? lol
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Post Post #562 (isolation #135) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:18 am

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I just asked because I'm having trouble getting a read on either head and it's disconcerting but I see defaulting to yours might not be the best idea. lol
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Post Post #563 (isolation #136) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:20 am

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Davsto is another one I'm iffy on but really want to townread because when he does post I pretty much always like em.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #137) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:22 am

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Nahdia is killing what I'm killing so she's fine for now.
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Post Post #567 (isolation #138) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:24 am

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If Dwlee's scum then holy shit.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #139) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:29 am

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Mirhawk is alright. Don't think we scumhunt the same way at all. But I've actually liked a couple of his posts a lot.
His scope has been kinda narrow - but beeboy is usually pretty shiny and I can see how that'd be an appealing push.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #140) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:32 am

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beeboy is like
the
defenition of a distraction but I'm an absolute sucker for people who townread me before anyone else does.
And I think the push on him boils down to beeboy being excited about something finally happening in the game and just typed whatever fuck he was feeling at the time.
Sure, maybe you can semantics him to death that he interpreted PW's couple posts or so in an exaggerated light, but it didn't feel wholly malicious to me.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #141) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:45 am

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XK has yet to really leave an impression on me and hasn't really rocked the boat all that much.
Then the thing about beeboy crumbing vig was ... different. In my younger days of mafia playing I'd probably powerlynch him for something silly like "lol look at this scum paying attention to crumbs and stuff give this death" but nah.

Kinda took a while for him to get going too. And his catch up as Mirhawk pointed out really seemed to revolve around beeboy and not much else. Oh, and I guess that interaction about my thing with Mirhawk earlier.
Which, going back to that seems like a pretty dull line of inquiry. Like, I remember he asked me "would that look scummy if it was a vote on somebody else" which felt really patronizing and pointless.
Almost like soft WKing and going out of his way to defend mirhawk from something that to be frank wasn't even anything I was currently pursuing.

I think there's a good shot this is a scum slot.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #142) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:06 am

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In post 558, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 460, Phoenix Wright wrote:And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol

This is a good point, and makes me feel like Cakez's scum read was fake to begin with.

UNVOTE: beeboy

VOTE: SirCakez

Am I crazy or does this look like bussing?
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Post Post #575 (isolation #143) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:11 am

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In post 569, SirCakez wrote:Sensei what are your reads looking like right now?

You know, just for asking me this while I was in the middle of giving reads. Don't think I'm gonna give any more. : p
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Post Post #610 (isolation #144) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:41 am

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In post 579, Cookie Bakers wrote:PW Sensei SirCakez can the three of you knock it off. You're all town and all bitching at each other.

This, is, not what has been happening.
Read the thread or something I guess.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #145) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:43 am

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Also stop trying to derail the cakes wagon on the back of some bs townread that you haven't even explained in favor of toog who isn't a slot that anyone should even really care that much about at this point.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #146) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:10 am

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What are you trying to say there, cakes?
Toog as scum with a gun in his face decided to fakeclaim VT in an advertised role madness game?

Again, sorry you rolled scum.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #147) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:14 am

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Post Post #619 (isolation #148) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:41 am

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Post Post #621 (isolation #149) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:44 am

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In post 476, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 474, clearance only wrote:It's a role madness mate.
Where'd you get this idea from?

Toog being town or not rides pretty much if he's
1) capable of faking this
2) was preemptively preparing to fakeclaim VT and next level everyone with one of the best things to fakeclaim as scum in a game full of power roles

It's enough to say he's probably not the lynch for today.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #150) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:47 am

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Mm. Yea same thing I said to titus. Go read the thread.
I've been herding cats.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #151) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:22 am

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In post 622, Cookie Bakers wrote:The very fact of how unopposed Cakez wagon was is really suspicious. If he was scum it looks as if he is solo.

Like I just can't see how anyone could say this with a straight face.
I practically begged 10 people to vote cakes and only got 4 votes.
With seven to lynch 4 is what I would consider a tipping point.
When he suddenly started getting more traction from the ether.

All good signs.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #152) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:51 am

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I can't telling if you're purposefully misrepping my point, don't know what a tipping point is or are just so out of tune with the gamestate based on your scum role PM that you can't see exactly how obvious it is what's going on here.
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Post Post #630 (isolation #153) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:53 am

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tell*
Also, lol, we get it, the entire scumteam decided to all jump on your wagon. Woe is me scumposting is obvobv.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #154) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:54 am

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In post 629, SirCakez wrote:I assumed a tipping point was when a wagon got big enough for everyone to start jumping on.

It's the point of no return.
Time to bus.
etc. etc.
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Post Post #637 (isolation #155) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:47 am

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Toog, why's dav a scumlean?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #156) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:22 am

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In post 640, Davsto wrote:Yeah but all the reasons I'm scumreading him still exist.

All the reasons you're scumreading him
-naked voted him for saying "I don't need a case to think you're scum"
-townreading dwlee because he...used a lot of words to justify it

First one I see town do all the time, a lot.
Second one doesn't really make any sense.

Awfully sticky read here. And I'm not sure where the confidence comes from.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #157) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:24 am

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In post 640, Davsto wrote:If you are implying what I think you're implying here

What do you think I'm implying here?
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Post Post #646 (isolation #158) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:33 am

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I've noticed recently that scum wagons are easier to push in some instances after a certain point because bussing has become the thing to do.
But I kinda feel like it took longer to happen in this case because the scumteam probably all has shiny toys and stuff.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #159) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:35 am

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In post 645, Cookie Bakers wrote:Even when I am telling you that I will murder Toog unless people object, you can't even muster a comment beyond Toog isn't the lynch for today.

This isn't true.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #160) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:38 am

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In post 644, SirCakez wrote:Sensei you're town reading Beeboy?

I've given some thoughts on beeboy earlier. Don't think he's that bad.
My actual read is -town unless he's being hardbussed-
Which is terrible but leave me alone it's day 1.

Also, you're scum why am I even talking to you. : p
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Post Post #649 (isolation #161) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:39 am

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In post 645, Cookie Bakers wrote:Why should I engage your shitty wagon when you are flat out ignoring us?

YOU'VE IGNORED ME ALL GAME DON'T EVEN START WITH THIS SHIT

IF ANYONE IS WKING SIRCAKES IT'S PROBABLY YOU
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Post Post #651 (isolation #162) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:52 am

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Toog, why is dav a scumlean?

What is your flavor?

Why did you believe the dayvig if you know that they're normally bullshit?
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Post Post #657 (isolation #163) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:05 am

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Cookie Bakers wrote:I have responded to your shitty case. I apologize for not replying to every comment where you whine about the wrong lynch being so hard.

My case is not shitty.

Cookie Bakers wrote:You meanwhile aren't even taking a stance on Toog Mirhawk or Nahdia or Dwlee or anyone who actually reacted to my push on Toog.

I've taken stances on literally ALL of these people. And I fail to understand what relevance the fact that they responded to your "push" on toog has at all on their alignment or mine.

Cookie Bakers wrote:I also think you don't understand how a white knight works. Scum set people up to take falls. They aren't blantant and direct. It's more...gee the wagon looks nice but I cannot.

Please, I pretty much invented the term.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #164) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:06 am

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In post 656, SirCakez wrote:I think I may be horribly misinterpreting what a white knight is <.<

There isn't really a single set-in-stone definition and what makes it scummy is a case by case thing.
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Post Post #661 (isolation #165) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:21 am

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VOTE: Davsto
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Post Post #662 (isolation #166) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:22 am

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In post 660, SirCakez wrote:I thought that was buddying. I always thought white knighting was when some townie is getting wagoned and scum goes in and defends them to gain their favor in reads in the future.

More or less.
Context, though.
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Post Post #668 (isolation #167) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:34 am

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In post 665, Cookie Bakers wrote:@Clevage, Your thoughts on them didn't change based on their posts in thread. Some you didn't comment on. Nahdia's post for instance is terrible. It's like you want to ignore what happened.

Which of nahdia's posts didn't you like?
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Post Post #670 (isolation #168) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:36 am

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Trust me it wasn't easy.
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Post Post #673 (isolation #169) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:39 am

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...I can move it back if you want?
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Post Post #674 (isolation #170) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:43 am

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In post 672, Cookie Bakers wrote:This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.

Mmmkay.
Trust, it's not a great post.
But that seems like a pretty large reach.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #171) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:57 am

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Dave get back in here and engage or die.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #172) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:04 am

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hehe
I don't expect you to "sit on MS and reply to every post"
But you're here apparently.
So talk to me about who's scum. Who's town. Stuff like that.
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Post Post #683 (isolation #173) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:08 am

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I don't know what y/w means.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #174) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:09 am

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Also beeboy wagon is boring af.
You don't seem like a boring guy.
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Post Post #686 (isolation #175) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:10 am

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Read the thread.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #176) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:11 am

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Okay dav might actually be town. lol
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Post Post #690 (isolation #177) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:14 am

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Look for scummy things.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #178) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:18 am

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VOTE: cakes
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Post Post #693 (isolation #179) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:24 am

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Double purpose of thinking that some of your content was good but enough IIoA to be concerning and wanting to get you invested because the catch up stuff has fooled me before because it's a lot more fakable.

Your response to beeboy there was literally my exact thoughts, though and the fact you responded that way immediately makes me feel we're probably on the same wavelength here.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #180) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:45 am

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Actually, just based on I'd probably swing beeboy today.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #181) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:49 am

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rather
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Post Post #703 (isolation #182) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:31 am

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In post 696, Cookie Bakers wrote:Then what do you think of 598 and Nadhia then?

I am trying to work with you and you seem content to just keep pushing town. It's making me doubt my read on you.

1) You just quoted a post of me saying that it's not a great post?
2) I don't care about your read on me.

I think you're making up conspiracy theories that might make sense to you because I've seen you do it before but I'm telling you that thinking that nahdia meant to post that to toog in a scum topic is pretty out there.

You're not working with me. You're just shitting on my pushes and when I call you out on how you're misrepping them you disappear into the cosmos and never respond again.
If you're gonna shoot em. Fucking shoot em already so he can flip town and we can move on.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #183) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:48 am

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Cookie Bakers wrote:No, you're the one shitting on my theories without providing alternative theories of your own.

Can we please not do the "no u" bullshit song and dance?
Nahdia is clearly a special snowflake. That post is bad because it doesn't fucking do anything to progress the game forward and probably looks weird because of her snowflakeyness. She's currently voting scumcakes so we cool for now.

I think toog's reaction to me enlightening him that this game is a role madness adds up with the VT claim. It was immediate, not preconceived. And if he's scum that locks him into having to claim something that fits that mold which really hurts his survivability as scum to claim VT.

That would be unless he's savy to the current meta where VTs are now being treated a bit more differently but he apparently hasn't played a game in a while, no?

And yes you responded to like, half of my cakes case and it was clear that you really either just didn't *get* it, or you misrepped the fuck out of it and I called you out on that and you never responded.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #184) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:51 am

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Read my last post.
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Post Post #713 (isolation #185) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:53 am

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In post 711, Cookie Bakers wrote:The wiki

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Post Post #717 (isolation #186) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 621, clearance only wrote:
In post 476, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 474, clearance only wrote:It's a role madness mate.
Where'd you get this idea from?

Toog being town or not rides pretty much if he's
1) capable of faking this
2) was preemptively preparing to fakeclaim VT and next level everyone with one of the best things to fakeclaim as scum in a game full of power roles

It's enough to say he's probably not the lynch for today.
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Post Post #720 (isolation #187) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 712, SirCakez wrote:Sensei how would your reads change if I was confirmed town currently?

:neutral:
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Post Post #722 (isolation #188) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:22 am

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You realize how utterly pointless that question is don't you?
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Post Post #725 (isolation #189) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:31 am

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Pretty much none of my reads revolve around you being scum outside of maybe nahdia so not sure where you're getting that from?
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Post Post #731 (isolation #190) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:39 am

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lol cakes quote where I said beeboy was town for being the counterwagon to you
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Post Post #732 (isolation #191) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:40 am

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I mean when you flip scum that will be certainly true but don't get too far ahead of us now. ;)
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Post Post #735 (isolation #192) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:44 am

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Because there are other things I'm more confident in pursuing right now.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #193) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:47 am

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And if you want to interact then let's do it.
What's on your mind?
What do you think of Dav's vote this page?
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Post Post #751 (isolation #194) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:03 am

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Titus I quoted a post where you hinted at it before hand that you're conveniently ignoring.
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Post Post #752 (isolation #195) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:03 am

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he*
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Post Post #756 (isolation #196) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:07 am

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In post 717, clearance only wrote:
In post 621, clearance only wrote:
In post 476, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 474, clearance only wrote:It's a role madness mate.
Where'd you get this idea from?

Toog being town or not rides pretty much if he's
1) capable of faking this
2) was preemptively preparing to fakeclaim VT and next level everyone with one of the best things to fakeclaim as scum in a game full of power roles

It's enough to say he's probably not the lynch for today.

Where he asks me this.
You can argue that he was laying it on thick or something but the narrative checks out imo.

Make sure that before you tell people to read the thread you read the thread.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #197) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:07 am

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In post 755, Phoenix Wright wrote:The last few pages were just everyone arguing with cleavage and trying to make it seem like their posts suck. Is that not pressure?

No that's just discrediting.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #198) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:19 am

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Him asking me where I got the idea that this was role madness
is
hinting at VT.
Are you arguing that's not true?
Are you now arguing that he was "narrative selling" or slipped in narrative?
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Post Post #770 (isolation #199) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:25 am

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In post 759, Xkfyu wrote:You are on my mind, because of the fact that I've been town reading you for a long time now. However, you keep hinting at me being scum, but when I respond to you, you make no real attempt at anything. It makes me feel like your opinion isn't genuine, and that is concerning.

You've been basically a lurksack so far. If you feel like I haven't made an attempt at "anything" it's probably because I either didn't feel a need to respond because you were talking to me about how I shouldn't be scumreading Mirhawk for his shit vote on me earlier which is a pointless line of dialogue in the first place or I forgot that you existed.
You're not a strong scumread.
But the wishy-washy way you're coming at me here isn't making it go away.
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