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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:11 pm

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In post 1037, Golden Robster wrote:VOTE: Ink

You need to get in here because you've done shit all. Where were you during the deadline?

That vote can easily change to rask/syndesis

I was busy in real life.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

In post 1041, Rubixxx wrote:I fucking told you guys Kill was town! FUCK! Everyone who FoSed them is getting a MAJOR side-eye today!

Reminder that Rubixxx whiteknighted both Killthestory and BBT, and probably thinks that this makes him look town.
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:12 pm

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Golden Robster, did you think Killthestory was town before he flipped?
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:15 pm

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In post 1046, Rubixxx wrote:The only thing that keeps me from calling your claim absolute poppycock is the fact that it'd be incredibly stupid for scum to push a town mislynch so hard and for no apparent reason.

Actually, Rubixxx is worse.

VOTE: Rubixxx
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:18 pm

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I'm preeetty sure rubixxx is town hombre.
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:43 pm

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Still undecided.
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:57 pm

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I see RC's end of day as very scummy. Him having pushed BBT and BBT flipping town is whatever. But RC just mercilessly tunneled BBT for the last several RL days without ever considering other possibilities. In particular RC never showed a shred of willingness to compromise to get a lynch; he essentially put forward BBT or nothing. He pushed BBT or nothing up until, quite literally, the very last minute of the day. It just doesn't feel town-motivated that he had no concern at all about the day ending.
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:58 pm

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Well I'm town, so sweeten up buttercup.
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:13 pm

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wow that convinces me
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:15 pm

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RC if you haven't figured it out yet you aren't going to get anywhere with me if you're just going to use rhetoric. I'd thought you'd have figured that out after the seventh time I asked you to explain why BBT was scum yesterday. And to your credit you eventually did. Now if you're town give me some reason to think it.
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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:20 pm

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I think I'm working based off of strong townreads of GR, Nino, and prooobably kirroha. My gut also really wants to put Rubixxx in that pile. A lot that he's posted just feels genuinely town at a really basic level. I have some other townreads here and there but need to re-evaluate them for the most part.
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:11 am

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Why am I a strong townread of everyone...? I basically didn't help much and now I messed up and am basically useless... >_<"
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:02 am

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^townpost
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:23 am

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RC town. Nino town.

I'm going back to my shortcut read because heck. VOTE: Golden Robster

Also beeboy, your predecessor claimed a PR before he vanished. Do you stick by that?
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:27 am

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In post 1051, ink wrote:Golden Robster, did you think Killthestory was town before he flipped?


Meh I wasn't sure

On one hand IaI and his tunneling was incredibly towny and I thought that kill might of been town

But then when he claimed jk; I wasn't sure why people wanted to still lynch him since he was going to die at night
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:33 am

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VOTE: ink
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:05 pm

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In post 1061, Raskolnikov wrote:^townpost

I disagree strongly, actually.
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:00 pm

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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:34 pm

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In post 1062, kirroha wrote:RC town. Nino town.

I'm going back to my shortcut read because heck. VOTE: Golden Robster

Also beeboy, your predecessor claimed a PR before he vanished. Do you stick by that?

Why RC town?
What do you think of GR in a vacuum?
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:48 am

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What does everybody think about ink?

Also, I'm sensing another contradiction here.

Everybody scumreads RC from his death tunnel on BBT.

But what was the difference between his death tunnel, and IaI's tunnel on Kill?
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:40 am

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Vote Count 2.1

RadiantCowbells
(2)
: implosion, Rubixxx
(L-4)

Ink
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: Golden Robster, Syndesis
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beeboy
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: Raskolnikov
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Rubixxx
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: ink
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Golden Robster
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: kirroha
(L-5)

Not Voting
(4)
: beeboy, RadiantCowbells, I Am Innocent, NinoMasaki
With 11 player alive, majority is 6 today.


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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:26 am

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In post 1068, Golden Robster wrote:But what was the difference between his death tunnel, and IaI's tunnel on Kill?

IaI's deathtunnel is technically more AI than RC's as RC does it a fair amount as both alignments (disclaimer, I don't know IaI meta). I was scumreading IaI yesterday but his play around deadline and pretty much offering himself as a lynch when he really didn't have to makes him near-conf town to me.

I'll get more into this game in ~2 days.
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:01 am

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The tojam slot just does nothing, even after being replaced... -____-" VOTE: beeboy
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:09 am

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IKIKIKIK I am doing nothing but I am going \/LA soon I promise on monday I will read this game.
It feels pointless to read and then go \/LA. I forgot I was going to detroit when I replaced in :/ I also expected the day to start faster.
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:30 pm

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In post 1068, Golden Robster wrote:What does everybody think about ink?

Also, I'm sensing another contradiction here.

Everybody scumreads RC from his death tunnel on BBT.

But what was the difference between his death tunnel, and IaI's tunnel on Kill?


That's a very good question. Here's the answer in quotes.

Spoiler: Count of all the times RC mentioned BBT: 38; first Feb 8th
In post 35, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm OK with a BBT vote.

Nino you'll let me bus you later right?

VOTE: BBT

In post 70, RadiantCowbells wrote:Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.

In post 91, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't think that she's legitimately this concerned, as town, of the BBT wagon.

aka, the posts where she says that she is are faked.

In post 149, RadiantCowbells wrote:BBT/Kirroha team easy.

In post 160, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: BBT

/shrug PR claim.

In post 171, RadiantCowbells wrote:who wants to bet BBT kill scumteam?

In post 349, RadiantCowbells wrote:Speaking of like actual policy lynches, can we policy lynch BBT and be done with it?

In post 350, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like it's not even a policy lynch because he's probably actually scum here but still.

In post 352, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 351, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm a leading wagon.

Man, I really should read this game at some point.

Currently pre occupied though, some time soon I promise!


Just lynch this please.

In post 356, RadiantCowbells wrote:This is normal for scum!BBT.

Just lynch him imo.

In post 469, RadiantCowbells wrote:BBT is so scum here it blows my mind.

In post 474, RadiantCowbells wrote:Just lynch him. he's scum.

In post 476, RadiantCowbells wrote:BBT's scum.

BoP me here.

In post 478, RadiantCowbells wrote:Don't need to.

You're scum.

In post 483, RadiantCowbells wrote:Share your BBT read!

In post 491, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 488, NinoMasaki wrote:Poor poor senpai... (。•́︿•̀。)

Do you at least have one main reason why you think BBT is scummy from the beginning of the game?

We still have a week before end of Day 1! Gambatte~ we can all do this.


He's playing a lot like I've seen him play as scum in the past.

In post 514, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: BBT

Still very happy with this vote.

In post 596, RadiantCowbells wrote:I agree.

I'm somewhat interested in lynching IaI after that crappy naked vote.

BBT/Ink my favourite lynches at this point in time though.

In post 618, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: BBT

In post 670, RadiantCowbells wrote:Synd, vote BBT with me please.

In post 740, RadiantCowbells wrote:BBT's limp body dangling from the noose.

In post 760, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 756, I Am Innocent wrote:We need two wagons, so unless you were to move to BBT or kill, you should stay put. Force replace ain't going to happen.

Kill dropped a scum tell. He is also playing very safe. Getting a wagon on him is near impossible which also gives me cause for concern.

But the biggest tell is the white knighting. Read the thread and see how many people suspected ink or myself of being scum:

Before we started attacking kill
And after we pushed for him

It is actually quite dramatic the difference.

Pretty sure he is scum. RC and implosion know my track record as town and since they both were among those white knighting kill I'll strongly suggest one of them is scum if kill flips as well. The fact neither are even listening to me causes me great concern too.

With that said tgal is acting scummy too. Why she hasn't replaced out or claimed is beyond me. She is not a bad 2nd choice.

I don't think BBT is scum.


When was I white knighting Kill ever? She's a scumread.

I'm more interested in BBT at this time though.

Define your track record as town. Pick out some games.

In post 764, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't chainsaw defend my scumpartners, I bus them.

I'd vote it over Taisho but it's still not as good as BBT.

In post 798, RadiantCowbells wrote:No, I better be right about BBT.

I have a passing interest in KTS, that's all.

In post 818, RadiantCowbells wrote:Vote BBT with me and I'll say very nice things to you.

In post 851, RadiantCowbells wrote:bandwagon more like badwagon

now vote BBT.

In post 900, RadiantCowbells wrote:if there is a vig they target BBT.

no questions.

In post 919, RadiantCowbells wrote:why can't we do bbt :(

In post 952, RadiantCowbells wrote:BBT gets lynched.

In post 956, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 952, RadiantCowbells wrote:BBT gets lynched.

In post 960, RadiantCowbells wrote:Don't be scum then.

In post 968, RadiantCowbells wrote:that tactical replace.
you know why I know you're scum? because you've never even considered the possibility that I could be.
you're being a salty caught-for-the-wrong-reasons chinsy coward if you're scum here, which I'm 99% sure you rae.
I'm not voting you for being BBT, I'm voting you for having rolled scum.

In post 971, RadiantCowbells wrote:yes, I super hard drove a BBT lynch as scum citing my meta scumread and went on to win the game. BBT expressed that he thought I might be scum and spent some time pursuing that but gave up and (I believe) ended up townreading me when he died in that game. But he made a serious effort to pursue the avenue of scum!RC and regardless of whether I'm correct that he died townreading me he didn't give me a carte blanche townread.

He has made no real effort to consider the possibility that I'm scum here and given my proficiency as scum and the relentlessness that I've been pushing him I can't imagine him as town reacting in the way he did on this page; a way that basically 100% assumes that I'm town with the tone and the words that he responded to me with. It really doesn't grok, especially when he's been claiming to townread me.

The way he's avoiding the thread and coming back at times that help him as scum feels really bad as well.

In post 972, RadiantCowbells wrote:when he's been claiming to scumread me* aka throwing out 'oh RC could be scum here' but never doing anything about it.

In post 974, RadiantCowbells wrote:Doesn't help that most of my scumreads are ignoring the BBT wagon.

^ like that.

In post 982, RadiantCowbells wrote:They showed up to make sure the lynch didn't get onto BBT though.

In post 984, RadiantCowbells wrote:Vote him now.

put your money where your mouth is sweetie.

In post 986, RadiantCowbells wrote:Note that you're not voting BBT.


Spoiler: Count of all the times IAI mentioned KTS: 33; first Feb 10th
In post 282, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 167, Killthestory wrote:Scumread: Kirroha, Nino, BBT.

My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.

I get neither of those feelings from BBT, just the sense of comfortableness that most town members seem to possess when they joke around and type. It's a common thing for town to be so stupid and silly rather than cautious. Cautious = Scum.

In post 277, Killthestory wrote:
In post 276, implosion wrote:
In post 273, Killthestory wrote:I'm saying tunneling the read based off a crumb and not in game behavior hasn't worked out for me, and I was 99 percent sure

Again
That was one crumb
This is an extremely different crumb (again an assumption)
Plus it isn't just the crumb on its own, it's her behavior around the crumb.

once again, similiar situation

im telling you not to tunnel yourself around the basis of the crumb but her inherent actions and goals she's conveying thru her own agenda


Last u mention kirroha u had a scum read of her. Has that changed?

In post 297, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 283, Killthestory wrote:i literally just said it


How about you say it again for those of us to dense to see it.

In post 328, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 325, NinoMasaki wrote:To Innocent: Now that it is clear that kirro is town, do you still townread RC-senpai for attacking kirro?


I am actually questioning my earlier town reads on both RC and implosion at the moment. Ink is my strongest town read and I really like his scum hunting efforts. You get ink to swing over to RC and I'll join both of you.

As for rubixxx I don't like how active he started being after I voted him and pointed out his lack of contributions. Still my lone vote isn't doing much there, so I'll move it, but want the group to know it isn't cause I feel any better about his slot.

Ink is totally right about the progression from story's scum to town read on kirroha. There was no natural progression I still don't know exactly what it was that changed it. Willing to join ink here.

unvote rubixxx
Vote killthestory

In post 329, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 326, kirroha wrote:Why is nobody voting Shortcut? His actions make absolutely no sense as town and make plenty of sense as scum. He's ridiculously scummy and the only reason why there's no wagon on him is because he hasn't posted anything in a while since his last scummy post. Come on guys.


Shortcut is another player that deserves a wagon. Not ignoring you, just need to vote in blocs is all. You get ink to join u and I'll vote shortcut as well.

@everybody, current reads/willingness to vote RC, killthestory, rubixxx and shortbutton

In post 383, I Am Innocent wrote:Kirroha what's ur read on killthestory?

In post 414, I Am Innocent wrote:Implosion, killer, ?

In post 415, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 389, kirroha wrote:I find it kind of strange that even though generally quite a lot of people seem to agree that Shortcut might be a viable lynch today, it's so hard to form a wagon on him. On the other hand, wagons on BBT and me happened so quickly it's ridiculous. That alone is making me even more inclined to think Short is scum.

Essentially, if a lynch happens way too fast on D1, it's probably town, or scum being bussed. Either way we're playing into scum hands. That's making me iffy about lynching BBT.


Any thoughts on similar struggles to get a kill wagon going.

Interesting how as soon as ink and I have pushed that people start attacking/trying to discredit us.

Makes me feel great about this vote.

In post 463, I Am Innocent wrote:More kill votes please.

In post 566, I Am Innocent wrote:Pretty sure the scum team is kill/rubix/implosion, tho there's a slight chance it could be RC instead of implosion.

In post 567, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

In post 387, Killthestory wrote:
In post 375, ink wrote:
In post 248, Killthestory wrote:Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?

And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.

Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?

In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

In post 336, Killthestory wrote:Anyway, I'm getting an off feeling about Ink/Innocent duo. "Willingness to vote?" It's like asking towns approval for a scumread.

I'm not saying both are scum, by they're definitely feeding off each other. Or at least one is buddying to the others scumreads.

Let's lynch this yet?

She can't work out whether townreading or scumreading me will be more effective in saving her skin (hint: having a town role PM helps). In , she sounds like she knows I'm town. In and , she's trying to make me look scummy.

I continue to townread IAmInnocent.

Probably because while I'm definitely not townreading you or even liking some of your posts, I do accept that I doubt you're scum in essence, but I don't doubt Innocent. Out of the duo, Innocent would be my scumread since he seems to be pushing you to push your reads instead of making his own. He seems to agree with most things you say, too.

And do you town read him anyway? Is it because he agrees with you at any turn? You realize that's a serious case of buddying, and you're going to have a hard time not having a bias reading him, but I'm pretty sure Innocent' s buddied you and fed off your reads since he seems to agree with everything you say.

In post 386, kirroha wrote:My previous post was for implosion.

In post 383, I Am Innocent wrote:Kirroha what's ur read on killthestory?


I didn't have any kind of read on Killthestory, but I get what you mean that his swap from scum!Kirroha to VI!Kirroha was way sudden and I also see no real basis for it. But I still did kind of find his attempts at getting people to pitch in quite genuine. Furthermore, I'm not sure why scum!Kill would want to pick a fight with an Ink/Innocent duo because I can't see what he can potentially get out of it. So I am still not sure about what I'm feeling about his slot. Yet I think at this point I'm damn well convinced that Shortcut is scum and that if Kill is scum too, he'll be scumbuddies with Shortcut.

And wrt Shortcut/Kill:

In post 201, Killthestory wrote:
In post 197, ShortcutButton wrote:VOTE: kirroha

placing my vote where the scum is

You don't like my quote? What a weak statement.

And yet you choose not to respond to it?

What a weak defense

So everyone who's shitting around should either replace out or start contributing since it's not in town motivation, and everyone who's complaining about those shitting around should do the same as well


Kill has pointed out one of my beefs with Shortcut, which is that he doesn't really respond to anything and just dismisses everything.

In post 248, Killthestory wrote:
In post 247, ink wrote:I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.

I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.

That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.

Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?

And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.

Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?


Anyway I've responded to everything regarding myself, so I'll respond to other shit later when I'm off mobile and not as medicated.


But on the other hand Kill tried to imply that a Shortcut lynch would be a mislynch that scum would be trying to push.

With that said I can potentially see a Shortcut/Kill combo but it's very faint. Innocent, do you think a Shortcut/Kill team is likely?
Also Ink, why did you not agree with my reasons for voting Shortcut ?

I didn't try to imply Short was a mislynch, but instead brought the possibility to play to make a case against said duo. It was, in short, momentum of a semi-scummy post in which wasn't explained that I used to back my case up.

Do note that if Short flips scum I don't see Ink being scum, but I have no mention of Short from Innocent. I don't see Ink double Decker bussing him like that, but as I said, no mention of short from innocent.

In post 464, Killthestory wrote:No I'm good.

Do you guys still see the duo of pressure from these two?

Is it just me or nah?


Please give two instances where I followed ink on a wagon? What's that??? You can't........oh so you were just misrepresenting the whole time. Thanks for the scum claim

In post 568, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.


And how would you KNOW they are mislynches?

In post 601, I Am Innocent wrote:See here's my problem. When I'm scum I have that mindset. It's all about not getting lynched.

As town I don't care if I die. My goal is to find scum. If my death helps with that so be it.

I'll make a deal with u, you vote kill with me and I'll stop pressuring u D1. Deal?

In post 605, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 603, Rubixxx wrote:
In post 601, I Am Innocent wrote:See here's my problem. When I'm scum I have that mindset. It's all about not getting lynched.

As town I don't care if I die. My goal is to find scum. If my death helps with that so be it.

I'll make a deal with u, you vote kill with me and I'll stop pressuring u D1. Deal?

Hah, that's a very tempting offer, but how about I make YOU a deal? You take you vote off of me, and I won't make you
suck DEEZ NUTZ
Deal?

That's okay ur reads (if they're not made up) suck

In post 687, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 512, TaishoGal wrote:damn you cow why would you do this to me I didn't even read the thread
Gimme a day or two I have to sleep soon.


There's only 2 reasons someone would be upset like this:

1) they're town and not happy starting at L-2
2) they're scum and not happy starting at L-2

Scum has to fake stuff to dig out of that hole. It's not easy. Be much easier to lurk.

Town on the other hand has a starting point...who are the scum on my wagon. I've seen none of that, I've seen lurking.

I originally thought short was the easy town mislynch, so I avoided that wagon. Kill (and later rubixxx) voting that slot kept me off of it. Rereading kills ISO and that could easily be a bus vote for town cred. Rubixxx my read is starting to waiver a bit. Like I said to ink I'll have a better feel about rubixxx if still alive on day 3.

Implosion if you want to vote kill, I'll be happy to make that t-gals counterwagon with u. I'm sure ink would join us.

In post 719, I Am Innocent wrote:Your last 3 posts have been oh so amazing, not sure how I ever thought u were scum. :roll:

In post 754, I Am Innocent wrote:
unvote taishagal
Vote kill


No longer just a naked vote (and a good counterwagon to the lead)

I'm fine with either

In post 756, I Am Innocent wrote:We need two wagons, so unless you were to move to BBT or kill, you should stay put. Force replace ain't going to happen.

Kill dropped a scum tell. He is also playing very safe. Getting a wagon on him is near impossible which also gives me cause for concern.

But the biggest tell is the white knighting. Read the thread and see how many people suspected ink or myself of being scum:

Before we started attacking kill
And after we pushed for him

It is actually quite dramatic the difference.

Pretty sure he is scum. RC and implosion know my track record as town and since they both were among those white knighting kill I'll strongly suggest one of them is scum if kill flips as well. The fact neither are even listening to me causes me great concern too.

With that said tgal is acting scummy too. Why she hasn't replaced out or claimed is beyond me. She is not a bad 2nd choice.

I don't think BBT is scum.

In post 757, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 165, Killthestory wrote:
In post 73, ShortcutButton wrote:Not confident in BBT because his wagon reached l-2 by page 2. Admittedly he did joke claim scum but it's just that - a joke.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

In post 74, kirroha wrote:
In post 70, RadiantCowbells wrote:Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.


On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.

Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.

You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha

In post 76, kirroha wrote:Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.

I need to sleep as well.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.


In post 85, NinoMasaki wrote:kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.

wtf?

In post 87, NinoMasaki wrote:She's talkative in a way that isn't cautious about the kind of stuff she posts. She seems cautious about people pushing too hard in RVS, but that's a different thing all together, and she usually is from what I can briefly see from her last game (which is in 2014?) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=39545 Sorry I can't phrase it properly, not the best with English, but that gives me a strong "gut" feeling that kirroha is town, at least more than the rest of the people who posted so far.

I agree with her regarding BBT's policy lynch message. Also there is no benefit to town in him saying "I am scum." To say that is very anti-town because it creates confusion and not much else. But then again, scum won't want to draw attention to themself either... So I will try to look at BBT's meta to see if it is something he normally does as a joke or something.

Senpai, if you think kirroha is BBT's buddy, why would you take your vote off BBT (who you think is scum)? Just wondering.

What the fuck? 'She's cautious, but she isn't cautious.' Ok? I mean, like, if you're not confident in RVS pushes you should speak up and truly push your agenda, and I haven't seen Kirroha to be pushing anything as of recently because as you said she's
cautious.
In my mind, scum is the only one to be cautious due to the fact that pushing someone for the right reasons should make you confident, not the opposite. That is, unless you're trying to play a dangerous game of forcing a mislynch from the backround.

Thanks for repeating shit already said.

Votes don't matter when it comes to opinions?

Gut read Nino scum.

In post 100, NinoMasaki wrote:I am not getting the kirroha wagon. /: Am I scum as well for expressing concern over her getting 2 votes? That seems to be the justification and it is feeble.

I am Innocent is suspicious for jumping on kirroha after that random vote without explanation on BBT earlier. Also I would rather not slacken the BBT wagon before BBT gets back. We need answers from him.

Sorry if I am just being slow, but I am really not seeing this. And I am kind of scumreading Innocent now. "Right player"? "Found scum"? You seem way too certain and you hardly posted any reasoning, only jumping aboard what other people have posted which are relatively unconvincing.

You too Innocent, and same question. Why jump from BBT to kirroha? I can't think of any reason for scum to express concern over a BBT lynch unless BBT is also scum. And if you think BBT is also scum, then you will keep voting BBT, because it is better to get the more aggressive scum lynched.

Nope, I don't find Innocent scummy because you don't need a reason to supply a vote, you need a reason to supply a lynch. This is still somewhat RVS, and I'm damn sure that plenty of others have placed down no reason votes. Why does Innocent strike you off when it's a common thing, especially with the use of gutreads on this site?

I'll post more in a second, but I need to take some medicine


Oh yeah this was his second post, 13 mins after his first, and yet he didn't hesitate to hop on the leading wagon.

Need to verify but I believe this was an L-1 vote.

Not the scum tell I saw but got me paying attention to this slot right away.

In post 762, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 328, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 325, NinoMasaki wrote:To Innocent: Now that it is clear that kirro is town, do you still townread RC-senpai for attacking kirro?


I am actually questioning my earlier town reads on both RC and implosion at the moment. Ink is my strongest town read and I really like his scum hunting efforts. You get ink to swing over to RC and I'll join both of you.

As for rubixxx I don't like how active he started being after I voted him and pointed out his lack of contributions. Still my lone vote isn't doing much there, so I'll move it, but want the group to know it isn't cause I feel any better about his slot.

Ink is totally right about the progression from story's scum to town read on kirroha. There was no natural progression I still don't know exactly what it was that changed it. Willing to join ink here.

unvote rubixxx
Vote killthestory


In post 339, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote IaI right now.


First time you mention me is shortly after I vote kill.

Look at our last completed game for starters. Implosion was in that too if u need a hint.

In post 769, I Am Innocent wrote:Kill care to provide reads on every player?

In post 847, I Am Innocent wrote:Here's a game where scum claimed a power role D1, I didn't believe it, and scum won (he lived to endgame):

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=58515

News flash, scum fake claim to save themselves.

Kill is still the best lynch.

If you disagree with this than go for golden or kirroha (2 claimed VT)

We are NOT outing any more roles D1.

In post 853, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 165, Killthestory wrote:
In post 73, ShortcutButton wrote:Not confident in BBT because his wagon reached l-2 by page 2. Admittedly he did joke claim scum but it's just that - a joke.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

In post 74, kirroha wrote:
In post 70, RadiantCowbells wrote:Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.


On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.

Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.

You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha

In post 76, kirroha wrote:Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.

I need to sleep as well.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.


In post 85, NinoMasaki wrote:kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.

wtf?

In post 87, NinoMasaki wrote:She's talkative in a way that isn't cautious about the kind of stuff she posts. She seems cautious about people pushing too hard in RVS, but that's a different thing all together, and she usually is from what I can briefly see from her last game (which is in 2014?) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=39545 Sorry I can't phrase it properly, not the best with English, but that gives me a strong "gut" feeling that kirroha is town, at least more than the rest of the people who posted so far.

I agree with her regarding BBT's policy lynch message. Also there is no benefit to town in him saying "I am scum." To say that is very anti-town because it creates confusion and not much else. But then again, scum won't want to draw attention to themself either... So I will try to look at BBT's meta to see if it is something he normally does as a joke or something.

Senpai, if you think kirroha is BBT's buddy, why would you take your vote off BBT (who you think is scum)? Just wondering.

What the fuck? 'She's cautious, but she isn't cautious.' Ok? I mean, like, if you're not confident in RVS pushes you should speak up and truly push your agenda, and I haven't seen Kirroha to be pushing anything as of recently because as you said she's
cautious.
In my mind, scum is the only one to be cautious due to the fact that pushing someone for the right reasons should make you confident, not the opposite. That is, unless you're trying to play a dangerous game of forcing a mislynch from the backround.

Thanks for repeating shit already said.

Votes don't matter when it comes to opinions?

Gut read Nino scum.

In post 100, NinoMasaki wrote:I am not getting the kirroha wagon. /: Am I scum as well for expressing concern over her getting 2 votes? That seems to be the justification and it is feeble.

I am Innocent is suspicious for jumping on kirroha after that random vote without explanation on BBT earlier. Also I would rather not slacken the BBT wagon before BBT gets back. We need answers from him.

Sorry if I am just being slow, but I am really not seeing this. And I am kind of scumreading Innocent now. "Right player"? "Found scum"? You seem way too certain and you hardly posted any reasoning, only jumping aboard what other people have posted which are relatively unconvincing.

You too Innocent, and same question. Why jump from BBT to kirroha? I can't think of any reason for scum to express concern over a BBT lynch unless BBT is also scum. And if you think BBT is also scum, then you will keep voting BBT, because it is better to get the more aggressive scum lynched.

Nope, I don't find Innocent scummy because you don't need a reason to supply a vote, you need a reason to supply a lynch. This is still somewhat RVS, and I'm damn sure that plenty of others have placed down no reason votes. Why does Innocent strike you off when it's a common thing, especially with the use of gutreads on this site?

I'll post more in a second, but I need to take some medicine


Kill when did ur read on me change again?

In post 872, I Am Innocent wrote:Niño do you consider kill off limits due to his fake claim ?

In post 874, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 770, Killthestory wrote:
In post 769, I Am Innocent wrote:Kill care to provide reads on every player?

i only provide reads on people i scumread

otherwise i hate readslist


Refused earlier for reads too.

Who prefers not to give reads?

Who usually fake claims power roles to give them self an extra day or two in the game?

Who omgus'd me an ink so hard when we pushed him.

Who quietly parked his vote on tgal and disappeared from the thread.

Who is most likely scum D1?

Town please just trust me on this one.

In post 875, I Am Innocent wrote:His quick L-2 vote on kirrohah in his 2nd post of the game after being MIA for a while.

To his unexplained 180 town read of kirrohah.

To the perfect fake claim to a frequent scum role (roleblocker)

The guys game is textbook scum

In post 876, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 785, Raskolnikov wrote:I guess bbt wagon isn't viable

VOTE: TaishoGal L-1


Interesting vote after kill wagon gets to l-3

If/when kill flips scum please look at this slot too

In post 877, I Am Innocent wrote:Guys a no lynch is terrible. Either vote me or kill at this point. I know golden has one more vote than kill at this point, but this kill/IAI drama needs to be settled today.

In post 925, I Am Innocent wrote:I would have expected if we were getting close to scum that kill and/or implosion would be coming out of the woodwork :-/

In post 926, I Am Innocent wrote:
unvote kill
Vote IAI


Going with a kill/implosion/rask scum team

Also watch out for rubixxx. Syn is probably town

Good luck town

In post 929, I Am Innocent wrote:And please please please lynch scum kill D2

IAI out

In post 937, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 935, Raskolnikov wrote:IAI I think you're town now but you're wrong about me. If you intend to trade your life 1 for 1 like this we'll actually just straight up lose the game.

I don't know if we have the votes to avoid no-lynch at this point :/


Prove me wrong and vote kill tomorrow

In post 950, I Am Innocent wrote:I'm here.

I just love it how nobody finds it shady that implosion kill and rubixxx are all MIA as we scrounge to find the best town to lynch

In post 1016, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 1011, implosion wrote:synd or rask maybe? Idk. They've both felt vaguely town to me too though. I could be wrong on either of them or rubixxx. Or kts. Like it really could be anyone. Or even no one, possibly. It's also possible that scum were lurky near deadline so they just didn't hop on. Although ink is the only person who didn't post after you got wagoned.


So you just voted kill before me, yet he is the least likely to be scum on my wagon?


RC started FoSing BBT hard, and basically as soon as the game started, almost relentlessly. IAI was similarly tenacious about Kill, but that seemed to happen organically - he asked a few questions to build a case, and then drove it hard once he felt his gut was in the right place. I know it's just his style, but the meat and potatoes of RC's posts were essentially "vote BBT - just trust me". So that's the bulk of what people remember.

That's my theory, anyway.
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