In post 214, shaddowez wrote:Do you disagree with the arguments against him? Or do you just townread anyone that has a wagon forming on them?
Here's the post that started this whole line of conversation and wagon against SC (at least, in my head):
In post 83, Night Hunters wrote:You're hypocritical on wagons (go night hunters wagon but not massive), not stating your reads but engaging in pointless setup spec (47), advocating being passive in (74), looking for a bail out in (80).
I agree that SirCakez treated the NH wagon differently than the massive wagon, it is the most suspicious thing that he has done.
the "not stating your reads but engaging in pointless setup spec" is a reach.
47 isn't really "spec", it's a one-liner about theory, and further, I don't know how many reads you can really have and express 2 pages into the game.
The "advocating being passive" argument I feel conflicted about. It's true that SirCakez was saying we should have a legitimate reason to wagon, which feels like a contrived reason to explain his massive wagon defense. However,
74 was a direct response to BBT's
73, so the way NH used this particular post to indict him felt shoehorned.
And then the "looking for a bail out" argument rests entirely on the assumption that SirCakez is scum, which I don't like. It's an explanation for his posting after already making a conclusion about his alignment. It's
possible
that scum!SC is doing exactly what NH said, but it's the certainty in the explanation that pings me.
Altogether, it was mostly justifiable claims about his play so far, but nothing convincing and certainly easy enough reasons for someone to fake a scumread over. And then you have all the subsequent posts like this:
In post 99, tojam2 wrote:I agree with BBT, SC has had a weird change in heart and only in less than a day.
VOTE: SC
and this:
In post 116, shaddowez wrote:You have no scum reads, and don't want to continue wagoning people....yep, I'm good with this wagon.
VOTE: SirCakez
and this:
In post 174, ɀefiend wrote:For now, I'm interested in the SC-Firebringer connection and the possible WKing theory floating about. I need to see how certain things develop.
and this:
and it all reads together like a lot of action on the sidelines around SirCakez, where I believe there is a better chance of scum posturing than there is of SC being scum (by sheer probability). That's why I get suspicious of the early wagons and why I'd rather investigate the voters instead of the voted.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
