Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

Davsto · Post Post #175 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:46 pm

Okay neato, please do it in the future though thanks

clearance only · Post Post #176 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:28 pm

In post 172, beeboy wrote:I think I ha\/e a pretty solid spot on PW and you guys are strawmaning the shit out of what is happening.

What exactly do you feel they (toog and mirhawk?) are misrepresenting?

-S

clearance only · Post Post #177 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:29 pm

Davsto vote somebody.

Toogeloo · Post Post #178 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:03 am

In post 177, clearance only wrote:Davsto vote somebody.

Why is it important he have a vote down this very moment?

Phoenix Wright · Post Post #179 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:06 am

In post 172, beeboy wrote:I think I ha\/e a pretty solid spot on PW and you guys are strawmaning the shit out of what is happening.

Lay down this solid case you have on me

Cookie Bakers · Post Post #180 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:31 am

@Cleavage

Shiro made the first post ;p

Sorry for the inactivity tho, I was making a presentation plus writting a text game in c++ plus writing a word file about the hows plus pretending to study for the exams I have lined up plus work soooo been preeeetty busy.

Just finished catching up though so feel free to ask anything.

@beeboy

Give us tgat case because honestly? Pw seems pretty town to me. And what exactly do you mean by saying, people are strawmaning what is happening?

Cookie Bakers · Post Post #181 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:32 am

The above was Shiro If it wasn't clear

clearance only · Post Post #182 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:45 am

In post 180, Cookie Bakers wrote:Shiro made the first post ;p

Totally thought that was a titus post.

clearance only · Post Post #183 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:49 am

In post 178, Toogeloo wrote:Why is it important he have a vote down this very moment?

To see what direction he goes in to better my read on him?
Move the game along?
Enrich vca for later?

That goes for a lot of people too.
Specifically PW. Whom I've yet to see develop a scumread outside his omgus on me and is more focusing on those scumreading him. (not a good sign)
Cakes is still parking his rvs.
Not quite sure where cookies is at either.
Aristo is apparently a person in this game or something.

-S

Xkfyu · Post Post #184 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:51 am

Holy shit. All hell broke loose while I was asleep.

In post 63, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 60, Davsto wrote:
In post 55, Xkfyu wrote:UNVOTE: Mirhawk

VOTE: Davsto

?

?

Alright, I guess I'll explain this now.

Davsto had voted himself in RVS, and I wanted to see a couple of things.

Q1. How long it would take a wagon to form on the heels of a self vote and a vote with no reasoning attached to it.
A1. Not terrbily long. Dwlee joined it fairly quickly, though that seemed to be for more flippant reasons than because there was a wagon already. Nahdia was fourth on the wagin, but I was actually thinking along the same lines as her, so it's hard to find that scummy. So, I think they are both null from this, for me.

Q2. How long it would take Davsto to unvote himself after said wagon started to form?
A2. Quite a while, actually. Plus, he barely reacted to my reasonless vote. This gives me a slight town vibe on Davsto, even though what Nahdia mentions about him "ascertaining too much too early" does concern me a bit. For now though,

UNVOTE: Davsto

Phoenix Wright · Post Post #185 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:00 am

In post 103, beeboy wrote:
In post 101, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 97, beeboy wrote:No it isn't PW is terrible atm lol.

VOTE: PW

How am I terrible?

You need to take a step back and realize just because someone is pressuring you it doesn't make them scum. That is if you are town.

Just realized that this isn't actually an answer to the question

Xkfyu · Post Post #186 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:04 am

In post 74, clearance only wrote:
In post 48, Mirhawk wrote:/Trying to look town

Unvote
Vote: Cleavage

Hi Mirhawk.
Pretty weak vote you've got there.
Welcome to the scumpile.

There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.

Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?

In post 103, beeboy wrote:
In post 101, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 97, beeboy wrote:No it isn't PW is terrible atm lol.

VOTE: PW

How am I terrible?

You need to take a step back and realize just because someone is pressuring you it doesn't make them scum.
That is if you are town.

The bold part kinda sounds forced to me. Like he thought he needed to put that disclaimer in there, just to make sure everyone knew that he didn't know his Phoenix's alignment.

In post 108, beeboy wrote:
In post 106, Phoenix Wright wrote:He's not scum for tunneling me. He's scum because it sounds like all of his reasons for why he says that he thinks I'm scum are horrible and seem insincere

Whether or not I agree with that your reaction to the claims is much, much worse.

Translation: "You're right, but I don't want to say so, because that's going to make my case that your reaction was terrible."

VOTE: beeboy

In post 150, beeboy wrote:
In post 146, Nahdia wrote:beeboy is your V key broken or something???

Actually PW that unvote was awkward as hell. Scum push town all the time lmfao. That felt like such an lame excuse to unvote.....................

No
V

Then what are you doing?

ISO · Post Post #187 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:08 am

What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.

ISO · Post Post #188 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:09 am

I see there's a beeboy wagon forming. I've been glazing over his posts honestly, let me ISO him.

Xkfyu · Post Post #189 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:11 am

In post 187, SirCakez wrote:What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?

He's not. Not anymore.

Phoenix Wright · Post Post #190 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:14 am

In post 187, SirCakez wrote:What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.

He isn't the leading wagon. 2 people just unvoted him. And really don't know what all of you want from me. Of I let my vote on cleavage and kept arguing you'd say that I'm scum because none of you were actually listening to what I was saying. Toogeloo said the exact same things as me in response to cleavage's posts and nobody acted like they were bad points then. And when I unvoted because I realized how suicidal it would be for scum to hard push like that, it was also apparently scummy. So if defending myself is scummy and realizingbtahtbthe person I'm fighting and inviting is scummy what exactly was I supposed to?

Phoenix Wright · Post Post #191 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:16 am

*Realizing that the

Phoenix Wright · Post Post #192 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:16 am

*unvoting

clearance only · Post Post #193 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:18 am

In post 186, Xkfyu wrote:There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.

Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?

Definitely gave me more scumvibes than any of the other apparent abundance of weak votes about.
The reasoning he tacked on was honestly horrible.
And felt like a really shallow analysis of said post.

ISO · Post Post #194 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:20 am

Beeboy's iso is actually pretty small. Two posts that stuck out to me were 103 and 145. Those were both really awkward. So Beeboy is nullscum for me atm.

ISO · Post Post #195 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:21 am

In post 190, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 187, SirCakez wrote:What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.

He isn't the leading wagon. 2 people just unvoted him. And really don't know what all of you want from me. Of I let my vote on cleavage and kept arguing you'd say that I'm scum because none of you were actually listening to what I was saying. Toogeloo said the exact same things as me in response to cleavage's posts and nobody acted like they were bad points then. And when I unvoted because I realized how suicidal it would be for scum to hard push like that, it was also apparently scummy. So if defending myself is scummy and realizingbtahtbthe person I'm fighting and inviting is scummy what exactly was I supposed to?

This is very flawed. I've seen death tunneling scum who lived to endgame before, making a hard push like this is not suicidal at all. Defending yourself isn't scummy, its the way you tried to stop needing to defend yourself.

clearance only · Post Post #196 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:21 am

Like I could see buddying or as PW called it "weird." Or whatever buzz word/phrase you wanna go with.
But trying to look town...not really?

Xkfyu · Post Post #197 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:24 am

In post 193, clearance only wrote:
In post 186, Xkfyu wrote:There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.

Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?

Definitely gave me more scumvibes than any of the other apparent abundance of weak votes about.
The reasoning he tacked on was honestly horrible.
And felt like a really shallow analysis of said post.

I'll rephrase my second question.

Would you have thought his reasoning/vote was less scummy had he voted for someone else?

clearance only · Post Post #198 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:27 am

Depends honestly.
I've chainsawed for my townreads before. But they've gotta be pretty confident townreads.

Did you think his vote looked town?

Phoenix Wright · Post Post #199 (ISO) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:28 am

In post 195, SirCakez wrote:
In post 190, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 187, SirCakez wrote:What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.

He isn't the leading wagon. 2 people just unvoted him. And really don't know what all of you want from me. Of I let my vote on cleavage and kept arguing you'd say that I'm scum because none of you were actually listening to what I was saying. Toogeloo said the exact same things as me in response to cleavage's posts and nobody acted like they were bad points then. And when I unvoted because I realized how suicidal it would be for scum to hard push like that, it was also apparently scummy. So if defending myself is scummy and realizingbtahtbthe person I'm fighting and inviting is scummy what exactly was I supposed to?

This is very flawed. I've seen death tunneling scum who lived to endgame before, making a hard push like this is not suicidal at all. Defending yourself isn't scummy, its the way you tried to stop needing to defend yourself.

But that's not what I was trying to do. I know that this is a game where you have to deeply analyze people's posts, but you've all been over analyzing everything I've said for a long time now. There's no hidden agenda, there's no deeper meaning: when I say something I mean exactly what I'm saying. So when I have my reason for unvoting him, I was being genuine. You're seriously trying to tell me that after a mislynch you wouldn't be suspicious of the people who lead that wagon? Maybe you're right and I just don't know how it works. I've only finished one game after all, and it wasn't on this site