Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

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Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

I'm sorry you rolled scum this game, cakes.

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VOTE: sircakez

[Mirhawk]

Also why is Aristo a scumlean for not being a presence so far over Radja who is null?

Second to this. This is what I didn't like about that reads list. We have a few people who don't have high contribution at this point, why is Aristo more scummy than the others?

I still think Beeboy is scum. 97, 103, 108, and 117 are all weakly justified attempts to push the PW wagon. Nothing he's said since then makes me think that that's not the case.

@cookie
do you have anything more solid on Toog?

[beeboy]

I still think Beeboy is scum. 97, 103, 108, and 117 are all weakly justified attempts to push the PW wagon. Nothing he's said since then makes me think that that's not the case.

How are they weak reasons?

[beeboy]

@mod vla until Monday I may pop I'm from time to time

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Does that mean I can lurk?

Please no.

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Tbh beeboy's reaction to the wagon on him isn't bad. Probably won't be voting him.

All these posts have been Sensei btw.

[Mirhawk]

How are they weak reasons?

How are they not? The sum of the reasons you supply for pushing his wagon was that he was "Terrible" and "Much much worse" than Cleavage.

Not to mention that 103 and 108 are super fake sounding.

[Phoenix Wright]

Also why is Aristo a scumlean for not being a presence so far over Radja who is null?

Second to this. This is what I didn't like about that reads list.

We have a few people who don't have high contribution at this point, why is Aristo more scummy than the others?

I still think Beeboy is scum. 97, 103, 108, and 117 are all weakly justified attempts to push the PW wagon. Nothing he's said since then makes me think that that's not the case.

@cookie
do you have anything more solid on Toog?

He has literally one post. I wasn't aware he was even in the game until the vote count. Seems like he's trying to hide

[Cookie Bakers]

@Dwee as well

do you have anything more solid on Toog?

Nope this is pure something is off. It started with his post about scumminess on people that fluffed and then his big post I dunno just rubbed me wrong. Then that statistics thing came for PW which was odd as hell.

@Everyone We can share cookies if you help us ;3

~Shiro

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@PW can you please respond to 291

-S

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Cookies what do you guys think of cakes?

[Phoenix Wright]

@cleavage

/Trying to look town

Unvote
Vote: Cleavage

Hi Mirhawk.
Pretty weak vote you've got there.
Welcome to the scumpile.

There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.

Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?

No it isn't PW is terrible atm lol.

VOTE: PW

How am I terrible?

You need to take a step back and realize just because someone is pressuring you it doesn't make them scum.

That is if you are town.

The bold part kinda sounds forced to me. Like he thought he needed to put that disclaimer in there, just to make sure everyone knew that he didn't know his Phoenix's alignment.

He's not scum for tunneling me. He's scum because it sounds like all of his reasons for why he says that he thinks I'm scum are horrible and seem insincere

Whether or not I agree with that your reaction to the claims is much, much worse.

Translation: "You're right, but I don't want to say so, because that's going to make my case that your reaction was terrible."

VOTE: beeboy

beeboy is your V key broken or something???

Actually PW that unvote was awkward as hell. Scum push town all the time lmfao. That felt like such an lame excuse to unvote.....................

No
V

Then what are you doing?

It may be paranoia but Toogleoo and Xkyfu's votes on Beeboy feel over-justified.

Would you prefer that I leave things out, even though I find them scummy?

I agree with this

I don't get why you're all acting confused about me thinking aristo is scummy. It's pretty straightforward. His first post is him saying that he'll catch up and post the next day. There were barely any pages at that point so he could've caught up in like 5 minutes, but ok let's ignore that for a second. The next day's comes around and he doesn't post at all. Right now it's almost 2 days later and he still hasn't talked. Doesn't it seem like he's skating through the game without doing anything? Isn't it more suspicious to my try to help the town at all than it is to at least say something?

[SirCakez]

Dwlee why are you still voting Davsto?

220 is an awful vote/post. Definitely liking my Phoenix vote still.

Why?

It's really obvious if you look at the post. Radja wasn't doing anything PW accused him of.

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I'm not really confused about it anymore. I'm gonna take it at face value that you've only got a couple games under your belt here and I am kinda coming around to see how you might genuinely hold conviction for what I originally was thinking were silly things. (thinking that inactivity is alignment indicative - being pushed hard means that person is town etc) When before I was under the impression you were a bit more seasoned.

I asked those questions because I was curious of your thought process for thinking those things to see if you were talking out your ass more or less.

I've also liked how engaged and upbeat your posting has been fwiw and frankly there are slots that I'm more interested in lynching now.

-S

[Phoenix Wright]

Dwlee why are you still voting Davsto?

220 is an awful vote/post. Definitely liking my Phoenix vote still.

Why?

It's really obvious if you look at the post. Radja wasn't doing anything PW accused him of.

I like how you ignored the part where I said that I misread his post

[Cookie Bakers]

I am going to agree with you that his post directed to PW was quite off the rest of his arguments aren't really bad either like saying we should not write off deathtuneeling as town. I really do not see the scum read on PW though. I mean he himself said that after a point PW seemed town but then turned around again.

But why did you initially say they were being so weird? That's the question I initially asked.

I already answered that. They were voting seriously against me without having a reason to. That's weird

This is just going in circles now ugh. Your responses feel town enough for now.

What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.

Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,
See I have this inner contradiction I feel like he could be scum with Dav that voted PW to shift the leading wwagon but that would make his post you mentioned really unlikly to come from scum who push a mislynch. If we assume cakes with PW and it being a coachign post. The above with him suddenly changin his mind and voting him again makes no sense.

So I am not sure where to lean

~Shiro

[SirCakez]

Toog is the guy who's been tunneling Beeboy all game and made the weird statistics defense of PW, OK. Didn't think he was especially scummy but he needs to do stuff that's not all Beeboy tunneling.

[SirCakez]

Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,

The entire cleavage vs PW happened in those 100 posts. Yes my read changed as a result. The vote wasn't a response to Davsto being a leading wagon, that was just a side question I asked.

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Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,
See I have this inner contradiction I feel like he could be scum with Dav that voted PW to shift the leading wwagon but that would make his post you mentioned really unlikly to come from scum who push a mislynch. If we assume cakes with PW and it being a coachign post. The above with him suddenly changin his mind and voting him again makes no sense.

Couple things. Davsto was never a serious wagon. So let's not assume there was any attempt to swing away from that because scum would probably guess its dissipation eventually. (also you'd need to assume davsto scum and that's preflips anyway)

Also, coaching isn't always necessarily a scum on scum thing. In fact it's normally not.

-S

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Because coaching when it's most telling is when there's subtle manipulation going on and you don't really have a need to influence your partners.

[Cookie Bakers]

I do not see why scum would coach town on being more town like though. and I am guilty of doing preflip associations from town to time hehe ^_^;

~Shiro

[Nahdia]

God there sure are a lot of words here someone please tell me what to think lol

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But that's the thing it wasn't an attempt to try and make him "more town-like" it was cakes telling PW (pretty blatantly) that he shouldn't be townreading us.
I struggle to see the town motive in trying to influence

a scumreads

reads like that.
Like call him out sure and maybe supplement that to his scumread but not act as though Phoenix Wright was

genuinely

thinking those things and try and talk him out of his flawed reasoning.

Bottom line it's just a weird interaction.

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I'm probably doing a terrible job at explaining all this but just trust me here.

Cakes is probably scum.