Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

[clearance only]

*shrug*Cakey looks town to me.

Then go read my points on cakes. Think they're about page 13 or so.
Nobody has challenged those points yet.
Lots of people are ignoring it.

[Cookie Bakers]

But that's the thing it wasn't an attempt to try and make him "more town-like" it was cakes telling PW (pretty blatantly) that he shouldn't be townreading us.
I struggle to see the town motive in trying to influence

a scumreads

reads like that.
Like call him out sure and maybe supplement that to his scumread but not act as though Phoenix Wright was

genuinely

thinking those things and try and talk him out of his flawed reasoning.

Bottom line it's just a weird interaction.

People do this all the time. Seeing what scumreads do allows for reevaluation of your scumread or getting information about their buddies. Scum get caught in the choices they make and the inconsistencies in their narratives.

I don't see this as necessarily scummy.

What are your thoughts on Toog?

[clearance only]

Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.

It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.

It's 100% a scum post.

Vote for cakes.

Here's my smoking gun. (it was on the next page)
It's good.
You're clear to sheep this.

[clearance only]

Please titus if you're town I need help.
I'm herding fucking cats right now.

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What are your thoughts on Toog?

Not townreading it. Would lynch it.
But cakes is going to flip scum like FOR SURE and we've already got some support there.

[Dwlee99]

I think my vote is on cakes. They ask me annoying questions.

[clearance only]

People do this all the time. Seeing what scumreads do allows for reevaluation of your scumread or getting information about their buddies. Scum get caught in the choices they make and the inconsistencies in their narratives.

Where within that post did I say anywhere, anything about cakes trying to "see what scumreads do?"

The inconsistency in the narrative is spelled out for you. That's not how you interaction with someone who you think is scum.

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*interact

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Am I wasting my time?
Are you content with sidelining your vote for a lurker lynch and expecting people to sheep you because "gut."
While I've got a wagon festering on scum right now?

Gonna be a long game.

[Phoenix Wright]

Why I think Phoenix Wright is scum

-His unvote in 136 looks like an attempt to disengage from an argument when the tide turned against him. Deathtunneling does not automatically equal town and it looks like an excuse to try to escape his 1 v 1 with Cleavage. His reasons for unvoting the wagon were flawed and I explained why in a series of posts starting in 195.

-220 is a terrible vote. Radja popped in and started catching up and PW immediately made a vote on him for "agreeing with everyone else" which is not indicative of scum first of all, then as well he was unable to back it up when the point was refuted by Radja.

-His jump on me when Cleavage started pushing me was opportunistic as hell. He made zero mention of being suspicious of me until others began pushing me. This is a running trend throughout his ISO. He is very cautious and makes sure what he does fits with what most of the other players think at the time.

-387 and 390 are flail posts that town wouldn't make. After I refuted his points he instead decided to "stop talking to me" and run away.

That's a pretty weak case. Even if my reason for unvoting is "flawed", it wasn't an attempt to disengage and there's no way that you can prove that. The second thing you mentioned was a misunderstanding which once again I've already said. We've already gone over why your 3rd point is dumb. And that's not what scum flailing means, so yeah. Those are definitely posts that town would make. I was making an obvious point and you weren't listening to me at all. Who wants to argue with a brick wall?

[Phoenix Wright]

And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol

[Toogeloo]

I don't get BeeBoy's "this is a long, spammy game" comment. It was at the end of Pg 2, and there were votes being tossed around. The game was neither that long nor that spammy at that point. Also, he had no read, yet knew it was spammy? Say what??

Also, for people who supposedly read the game, you are really bad at picking up little things

Oh the irony... It was obviously sarcasm since the game had been active for a while by that post, and it was only on page 2, so he was being snarky about how slow the game was moving.

SEE SEE.
You're not sure.
That's your instincts telling you somethings wrong.
Let's rock the boat a bit.
Help me lynch sircakez.

If there is something wrong with the wagon, why do you want to pursue someone not related to the wagon at all?

Big rule, Titus gets copped n1. Kinda surprised it didn't happen in pyp.

Most games I play with Titus have her lynched Day 1

Help us on Toog dwlee? We can't articulate beyond gut but your Dave wagon stalled out. I don't like the major wagons and neither do you.

Join us? Let's see if we shake things up.

Describe this gut feeling you are having. We've played quite a bit together Tits, so I'm interested in your read.

[SirCakez]

I think my vote is on cakes. They ask me annoying questions.

Why are people townreading this ugh

[SirCakez]

And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol

Only one of those was after I said I would write my case pretty sure. And you asked why I thought you were scum, you got it.

[SirCakez]

Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.

It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.

It's 100% a scum post.

Vote for cakes.

Here's my smoking gun. (it was on the next page)
It's good.
You're clear to sheep this.

I've already explained this question.
God I hate deathtunnelers

[clearance only]

If there is something wrong with the wagon, why do you want to pursue someone not related to the wagon at all?

Because the person I'm pursuing is obvscum.
What does one even have to do with the other?

And yes you could say he's technically involved with it by all the blatant posturing cakes has been doing wrt beeboy.

[SirCakez]

That's a pretty weak case. Even if my reason for unvoting is "flawed", it wasn't an attempt to disengage and there's no way that you can prove that. The second thing you mentioned was a misunderstanding which once again I've already said. We've already gone over why your 3rd point is dumb. And that's not what scum flailing means, so yeah. Those are definitely posts that town would make. I was making an obvious point and you weren't listening to me at all. Who wants to argue with a brick wall?

That's why I said it sure looks like an attempt to disengage. Obviously I can't see inside your head but from my viewpoint that's what it looks like.
P-Edit: What posturing?

[clearance only]

I've already explained this question.
God I hate deathtunnelers

Yes you've reiterated many times how that was just a harmless little town post without having to use semantics arguments at all.

[clearance only]

That was sarcasm btw.

[SirCakez]

He actually never responded to the question I'm pretty sure.

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Here you go.

I see there's a beeboy wagon forming. I've been glazing over his posts honestly, let me ISO him.

Beeboy's iso is actually pretty small. Two posts that stuck out to me were 103 and 145. Those were both really awkward. So Beeboy is nullscum for me atm.

Showing up quickly after being accused of lurking is quite scummy. My beeboy read drops further.

Actually these are all notable instances at just how stern and "correct" cakes has been with most of the very little stances he's made this game.

Like correct as in making a very big effort to make sure that his stance is clear and goes in an almost eerily step by step manner in progression that rings a lot more like someone who doesn't want to be called out on a contradiction and less like someone with naturally developing reads.

Just doesn't feel fluid.

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He actually never responded to the question I'm pretty sure.

That literally doesn't matter on my point, though.

[clearance only]

Cakes I'm getting you lynched today get used to it.

[SirCakez]

That's how I play yo. Deal with it.
And no I'm not just going to give up and get mislynched. My role is confirmable anyways but I'd rather not claim.

[clearance only]

It's a role madness mate.
That's not gonna save ya.
Especially when you're softing at L-4.