(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[TheLoneWolf]

yeah thats a pretty big slip.

Every aspect of Snarkys claim is botched.

"I didnt know he was at L-1 WHOOPS"

"oh I meant 2 votes lol ofc"

also I don't do the whole flavor speculating thing re: "too shitty to be fakeclaims" so we're not gonna lynch based off that while I have a say

[TheTrollie]

lone wolf why did you think there was a jailkeep?

AND WHAT GAME HAVE WE PLAYED IN TOGETER?

[TheLoneWolf]

too many to count really

I was just hoping there was a jailkeep or 2 protective roles because at that time I thought it was 2-2-1 vs. town.

[TheTrollie]

Popcorning was a great idea. so we have:

Trollie:

Rey, Cop (Investigated Camn N1 & N2)

Snarky:

C3P0: Hated Townie

TheLoneWolf:

Poe Dameron, Neighbor

Gorkington:

Chewbacca, 1-shot vig (Shot Camn N2)

Extrapolated Eagle:

Unkarr Plutt, Roleblocker (Ami N1, Camn N2)

Venmar:

Lt. Connix, N0 Census Taker

Keyser:

BB-8, 3-shot Watcher (Camn->RC N1; Venmar->NONE N2)

take-aways

(1) Keyser's watcher claim:
What happened when Camn visited RC N1?
a) shot - possibility only if Tails protected RC N1 & Scum has a factional kill + (because RC tracked Aero to tails)

b)

Roleblock

could not have been because RC got a result on Aero (unless had map and modifier was strong willed)

c) Something else - most likley just cannot think of what it would be.

d) Key is lying

(2) Investigative craziness:
a) Trollie - cop
b) RC - Tracker
c) Key - Watcher
Weakened by TAILS - miller doctor, really only weakness - this seems too powerful which makes me worried about

key

(3) Eagle's RB:
IF Scum team was JUST Camn & Aero, then Eagle's block on Camn last night means that:

N1

AERO shoots TAILS
SK shoots AMIHAN

N2

CAMN gets RBd and cannot kill
GORK shoots CAMN
SK shoots RADIANT COWBELLS

explaining why there are 2 deaths N2, even if there is an SK (3 shots)
SK definitely wants RC-tracker dead, CAMN would want either RC or myself dead, probably more likely me since RC seemed to not buy my claim.

Alternatively, there is a 3rd mafia player who performed the factional kill last night, and/or CAMN/AERO was a Mafia 1-Shot Vig - just saying both are possibilities.

What do you think of now popcorning Map mechanics?

I am 50/50. Reck said Scum get fake PMs so they def have fake map mechanics (also meaning Wolf isn't totally in the clear fyi), but might be helpful, and not sure honestly that scum will benefit much from knowing this now???

[Venmar]

I will be honest, I stared at Trollie's post about Snarky's slip for a solid fuckin 5 minutes trying to figure out why it was a slip and not a typo until my grasp of the English language finally snapped back in. I feel very dumb.

[SnarkySnowman]

slip =/= scumslip.

nontown have fakeclaims, slipping on it is not really indicative of alignment. Especially for something silly like that.

If we want to popcorn map abilities, mine is that I become a regular townie for the next day (instead of hated). Because apparently the map is what it takes for me to become appreciated around here <_< And I'll popcorn to Venmar.


Eagle is my top read. I could see a Gork SK but I'm not sure, I want to look at that a bit more. I like Gork's play so far.

Another dumb thought, but if the map is being passed at night, should we consider who it passes to, or does a nightkill prevent that? Because best way to make this work in our favor is to pass it to me. If I get NKd, we don't have the hated issue, if I don't get NKd, we also don't have the hated issue.

[TheTrollie]

(1) town players do not forget whether they are L-1 or L-2 Hated
(2)the slip was not that you changed your response, the slip was that you played it off as accidentally hitting the wrong number on the keyboard when that is 100% not what happened, otherwise you wouldnt have pluralized "votes"

[SnarkySnowman]

Clearly youv never written a post while distracted

[Venmar]

I'm curious what Trollie's map ability is

[TheTrollie]

Map allowed me to get a guilty without being sensed by scum
I don't think it's worth map claiming actually, scum have take ones for their fake claims so no reason to do that.

[TheTrollie]

Fucked up a Lil in my summary... Should be "no one visiting center not venmar visiting noone

[TheTrollie]

Keyser:do you detect map movement as well or just PR use?

[TheTrollie]

We pretty much have to lynch Snowman, I am convinced he is scum but if he's not hes too dangerous to keep in the game.

I've said pretty much all I'll ever want to say before the lynch in #1080 so unless anyone wants to either

(a) discuss the popcorn/my thoughts in 1080 more or
(b) disagrees with my decision to skip popcorn on the map for now

I'm pretty ready to vote Snarkey otherwise.

[TheTrollie]

Wait venmar you were popcorned too and never claimed, you just popcorned to me lol

[Venmar]

If I get the map I can take a second census, but then the map is redistributed randomly.

[Venmar]

I'm ready to lynch Snowman as well

I'd be interested in putting him on L-2 and then L-1 and waiting for a VC before "hammering". Might as well test his claim?

[Gorkington]

just realized flavour of fakeclaims means nothing.
rules says reck randomized a list of characters and dished out characters/fakeclaims via that, so feeling less worried on that front.

[SnarkySnowman]

Reminder that L-1 = lynch for me

[TheTrollie]

vote count please

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Reminder that L-1 = lynch for me

Or L-2 depending on how you're feeling, right?

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser:do you detect map movement as well or just PR use?

PR use only (there is no mention of map movement in PM) - Camn targeted RC N1. It wasn't a kill (as I would have seen a doctor target RC too). It wasn't a block (as RC received his tracker report).

I think scum had an investigative power.

At the time I thought it was a protective power (theory: Camn/RC scum team). If RC had roleclaimed like any other normal person I would have believed him straight away. No point fake-claiming a guilty on Aeronaut as a gambit The Tracker result from the start would have been suffice.

I targeted Venmar N2 because I thought he would have been a likely scum kill target (scum having a scum census makes less sense). Moreover, why would scum reveal this info? Information is power.

[Keyser Söze]

(1) town players do not forget whether they are L-1 or L-2 Hated
(2)the slip was not that you changed your response, the slip was that you played it off as accidentally hitting the wrong number on the keyboard when that is 100% not what happened, otherwise you wouldnt have pluralized "votes"

This.

I think the plural point is actually more damming than the L-1/L-2 slip.

[Keyser Söze]

If I get the map I can take a second census, but then the map is redistributed randomly.

second census - to confirm the alignment status of the traitor?
Finn, first Order >>> Resistance.

I doubt there would be any recruitment scum roles.

[Gorkington]

....
you targeted venmar over rc?
what?

[Keyser Söze]

....
you targeted venmar over rc?
what?

Yes, RC was not my town-read. I did not like the

execution

of his roleclaim. Neither his

opposition/refusal to acknowledge

TheTrollie's guilty on camn.

N2: I wanted TheTrollie/camn/RC to resolve itself, which it did.