Mini 1770: College Mafia! (Game Ovah)

[Night Hunters]

Hey, who threw a party and forgot to PM my mains? I has sads.

Reading now.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Is it common to ignore someone voting for you, even in RVS? Was Jeanne's joke so bad that it didn't warrant a response?

Question for anyone: How much of an influence do themes have on mechanics on this site? From 1 (re-skin of normal game) to 10 (go wild with imagination about roles/mechanics possibilities). I am only asking because this is the first themed game I play on MS and I'd like some site-meta and/or host-meta.

VOTE: zefiend

We don't know until roles are out. Not liking the early rolefish. Convince me you shouldn't be expelled so I can protect my cute adorable children.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

Titus took my RVS vote. :C
(I was gonna vote BBT)

-Dwlee99

[Night Hunters]

@ɀefiend
are you an alt?

-Dwlee99

[Night Hunters]

@ɀefiend
are you an alt?

-Dwlee99

Why does this matter?

It effects my read of him.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

@ɀefiend
are you an alt?

-Dwlee99

Why does this matter?

It effects my read of him.

-Dad

How does being an alt or not affect your read on someone? It shouldn't in my opinion.

Not all our children play the same way. For instance, BBT is probably town for adhering to the whole let's wagon someone to get out of RVS thing what I view as outdated. Not all of y'all play the same.

~MamaBear (Titus)

[Night Hunters]

Wagoning people is THE best use of RVS. Why wouldn't I do this as scum Titus?

Scum wagon people to but not in the manner you've done it. Scum are generally more passive. I'll join a bad wagon or rolefish. They don't want the attention that leading wagon comes with, particularly in RVS. It's not 100% certain but you're pretty town right now for me to say that.

What do you think of zefirend and Ari? I think they're a little creepy. I don't like my kids near creepy people.

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

Cakey, you can debate me on RVS or we can scumhunt. If you can get a read on someone, you've gotten out of RVS. I'm out of it. I've got a townread and a few meh reads. Wagon formation is a tool but I find it slow and allows scum to be far too passive.

BBT, What does your gut feel? Why the fuck are you asking me about your meta BBT? I should ground you from posting for asking that.

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

@BBT,

I literally do not care. I have no recollection of your scum meta. You are a player that doesn't care about meta asking the head who doesn't care about meta about a meta read. Like really? It's not a dodge to not care BBT.

@Cakey,

I'm a liberal but strict Mom. What do you want to be called? I'll call you Le Artist if you want.

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

@BBT, If I said you were conftown sure. Everyone's been aggressive as scum at somepoint once you reach a certain time spent on site. Doing what you've done rarely comes from scum in general.

@Fire, You're dealing with Dad. I'm the Fairy Godmother Bear who likes to pilot flying machines.

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

And wagoning us because you don't want to do your homework was an excellent reason.

VOTE: Massive

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

We're letting you do your thing, bbt.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

VOTE: Cakey
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

@zething, I cannot answer your question without knowing what you define as "normal" or having information about the roles in the setup. Whatever answer I give suggests something about my role as well. If I say, nope everything is normal (then we can infer that I have a normalish PR role). If I say I don't know, it suggests I have a VT PM. If I say it's wacky, the interference is I have a wacky PR.

Now, when you began coaxing in terms of Aeronaut as a mod, that's closer to an answerable question. Yet you can find it our yourself because I don't believe this is Aeronaut's first hosted game.

I liked the push back a fair amount, not thrilled with you by far but you're not my biggest suspect.

@Cakey,

You're hypocritical on wagons (go night hunters wagon but not massive), not stating your reads but engaging in pointless setup spec (47), advocating being passive in (74), looking for a bail out in (80).

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

I thought the post mom had about zefiend was not alignment indicative but the join date + asking about rvs was weird.
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

Firebringer if you could not have town reads on scum, that would be nice.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Firebringer if you could not have town reads on scum, that would be nice.

-Dad

I have town read on town tho.
I am still unsure of you two.

Dwlee, what do you think of me so far?

Your mom and I are concerned about your slot and the unnatural defense of SC.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

@guiltyLion, Because SC is pretty scummy and desperate for a handout. Buddies can provide that.

Now if you would answer bbt.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

If you could provide reasons for your town read on sircakez that would be nice.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

@SirCakez,

I get you being desperate for a hand out because of your trajectory this game. You appeared to have zero desire on why I was looking into Zefiend as I put forth that question and had nothing to say when I poked there. Instead, you were

very

hyper about getting my RVS train to get traction. You said you were out of RVS and didn't unvote in 52, and were heavily pressuring our slot. In 63, you are objecting to a foundationless wagon on massive. If 85 and 88 are to be believed, that means you objected to a counterwagon to your townread that you forgot to Unvote solely because there was a lack of information to do so. Town generally don't discourage counterwagons to their townreads from forming based on lack of information. It's much more likely that you retroactively picked the two players pushing you the hardest to townread and wanted me to talk more about the other read I had to draw attention away from yourself.

Your Fire push here is half assed. You ask an obligatory question to Fire after it's been highlighted that we don't like his townread. Yet us calling out Fire for having a townread on your slot "gives you pause". You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. It reads as talk about anyone BUT SirCakez.

@GuiltyLion, I am struggling to follow that post. You're claiming that because you don't agree our scumread is forced? That makes no sense. Your train of thought also reeks of bullshit. You asked us why Fire scum and SirCakez might be scum together in 104 and you argued our answer in 106 was creating unjust associative pairings. You asking a question that suggests we assume a preflip association (that might or might not be true) cannot be a logical foundation for claiming preflip associations are scummy.

Both Fire and Cakey are independently scummy here, but they still make sense as partners.

Why are you so resistant to wagononing SirCakez and seeing where it goes?

[Night Hunters]

That was obviously MamaBear for the record.

[Night Hunters]

@Fire, Why is your townread getting lynched hilarious? Why not at least try to form a reason?

@sircakez



You're attempting to move my arguments about your trajectory being shit and you reaching for a handout to you being attacked solely because you didn't want a wagon on massive.

[Night Hunters]

It's why your trajectory is bad. It's because you're scum faking your reads and desperate for attention off of you.

Are you going to respond to my assertion that your trajectory doesn't make sense from a town perspective and you're flailing? Or just whine?

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

@BBT, Does GL's push to attack the suggestion that Fire and SirCakez could be scum together while refusing to address the trajectory issue look bad or am I just wanting to scumread everyone who defends Cakez at the moment? He says my scumread is forced, I lay it out there and GL doesn't say anything about it. He's complaining rather about the methods I am using to "oversell" my scumread, which is a thinly veiled discredit rather than a substantive response.

Given the amount of deep thoughts I am putting into the thread, GL asking for deep thoughts is wierd. Rather, GL seems to be fishing for reasons to change my mind or paint me as unreasonable in my push on SirCakez rather than respond to why he doesn't want SirCakez wagoned.

@GL, Until Fire justifies what pinged his gut, he doesn't get a pass on that. *shrug* You seem much more concerned with painting my arguments than actually responding to them. You say my scumread on Cakez is oversold. Are you scumreading Cakez and just objecting to my methods? Then why ankle bite me. Are you townreading Cakez? Then why are you focused more on my perception rather than analyzing the substance of my arguments.

The attempt to move my independent but possibly aligned scumreads to the both being certain scum is bad. If you try to force all my posts to be arguing that Fire and Cakez must be scum together, you can argue only one is town and then dismiss the case on the other.

Why are you focused on the perception of me?

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

One of Titus biggest scum traits I have noticed is to push anyone that doesn't agree with her. And try to get people who agree with her on as a town read.
Just saying.

Dwlee I find more nullish right now, I don't know his scum traits but he usually isn't this opinionated this early. So thats different.

That is 100% the opposite of what happened in this thread.

I townread BBT despite him engaging in suboptimal but obvtown play at the start.
Then I gave him room to work on massive.
Then Cakez had a scummy whiteknight which got this whole thing started.

Why are you referencing scum traits that have no relevance to the thread at hand?

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

124 is a response to 123.

I think you're going with whine here. I am done until BBT gets back.

~MamaBear (who occasionally is forgetful and signs as Titus)

[Night Hunters]

@BBT, Can you respond to the sentiment of 134 please? You know me well enough to know that I like when you stand up to me if I'm being stupid. I could use some help to determine if I am just stubbornly scumreading everyone who defends scum or whether GL is actually scummy there.

Oh and I'm totally down for a Fire lynch D2 if he doesn't start giving reasons for his Cakez read. His "reasons" for scumreading me are inconsistent with what has actually happened in the thread.

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

Fire, why are you pulling completely incorrect meta of me out of your ass?

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Fire, why are you pulling completely incorrect meta of me out of your ass?

-Dad

You are normally very opinionated this early in games?

Not all the time, it is mostly 50-50, and in ny 192 I was so??
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

You need to get a good education, son.
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

@BBT, I don't know what posting you find to be decent by SC here in the last few pages. All he's done is basically say gee Fire, you need reasons. He's trying to deflect attention off himself. You're concerned I haven't addressed his "good" posts but there's nothing to address. He's defending himself from Zthing's assertions trying to wordsmith his way out of being caught scum.

This whole too many people pushing him (from Guilty Lion) is a load of crap. The amount of people pushing someone is usually related to the strength of the case. If there's no case, no one would be pushing SC or it would just be all "hurr durr" i dunno you feel scummy crap that seems to permeate here lately. I've caught scum before and had the wagon take off like a rocket never leaving until the person was a corpse.

Now, onto the actual issues you're expressing now. First, SC was hyper about the wagon but this seems a little semantic or a differnce of what is called hyper. SC was very vocal about getting people to hurry up and wagon our slot before we could post. If I thought it was aggressive, I'd say aggressive. Maybe impulsive you'd like better, but he was definitely pushing that hard.

Bullshit on town being more likely to make consistency mistakes. Town should be clear and transparent with their reads. If not, they are doing it wrong.

SC "pushing" fire is because he's desperate to have a place to go that isn't him.

I kind get the Dwlee not making content but he has in a few places. I tend to overshadow others a lot, particularly when both heads of the hydra are in agreement.

Can you respond to my concerns about GL BBT?

~MamaBear

[Night Hunters]

Titus and I are in almost 100% agreement over our reads. Reasons might be a little different but meh.

[Night Hunters]

^
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

We have been trying not to clutter the thread because we both generally post a butt ton.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Feeling a little green at the moment. Dwlee will be taking point for awhile. Hopefully just the day.

Being sick is an xpost on all games when I finish.

[Night Hunters]

If this firebringer v bbt becomes a thing I'm taking BBT's side.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Oh I thought that pr claim was a joke

I'm taking no sides, then.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

I didnt think someone would claim PR at the slightest sign of pressure.
Seems reckless

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Gotcha
So I suppose your read of sc is genuine, then, I don't think you do this as scum. Do you have any reasons or is it still gut?

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Titus and I agreed that sc's sudden town read of us was scummy. My gut pinged it and titus agreed so I'm about 90% sure we're right here.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

SirCakez faked his reads and has basically been looking to have the game push anyone else and had a terrible white knight of a massive RVS wagon.

I've got a few people who I'd consider voting right now. It's about 4 players deep, SirCakez leading the way.

-Mom

[Night Hunters]

I am fine with lynching BBT or Night Hunters I am sure at least one of the two is scum.

incorrect
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Welp, I don't know what to say and sound rational.

Ewwwwwwww....

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

That's why I get suspicious of the early wagons and why I'd rather investigate the voters instead of the voted.

This makes a lot of sense and I like the consistency. I'm interested to hear your thoughts once NH answers your question in 233.

No. It doesn't. This allows him to attack any wagon without taking a position. He also didn't attack our wagon.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

#232 and 233

I am sorry. I may be a mama hen but I absolutely do not run a charity house. You're griping that I'm uncharitable. Well, if scum are obvious, they are obvious. I don't do pity parties for scum who do not fake reads well. Here, I find it very telling you're saying that there's evidence against SirCakez but there's not enough for a legitimate scumread. You're criticizing the validity of my read while hand waiving the inconsistencies in SirCakez's read on us. We can play the semantic game about whether he was "hyper" about pushing my wagon, but SirCakez was. Then, he was objecting to a counterwagon on his town read. He needs rope for that.

You're attempting to copy and mutilate arguments BBT made against your push on us. Bbt caught you using a leading question and you've changed it to a response to a question means someone else cannot use it.

SirCakez has been desperate for a handout for anything else he can scumread and not look like the scum he is.

Just what should I be charitable about? Buddying? Terrible reads? Scum flail?

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

Would you mind providing your top scum-read so far with reasons? Your vote is currently sitting on a claimed PR and I think everyone would appreciate some more meaningful content from you.

No one's convinced me to move my vote. Certainly not Firebringer with his PR claim two posts after saying no one was ever going to NK him.

*Bell sounds*
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

wtf
-dad

[Night Hunters]

BBT is continuing to obvtown.
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

I could do a GL lynch. He really defended the fuck out of SC questioning that wagon (without pressuring SirCakez) and didn't question those on the toe jam wagon much. Pretty sure Dwlee is too but I am checking with him.

I will likely push SC until he actually does something townie. I would expect town SC to actually be attempting to develop reads. All he's doing is sitting and defending himself and attacking his attackers. I expect town to be consistent in their posting without having to check things out BBT. It's not like we have a mountain of data to go through. We were very very early on. Town shouldn't be inconsistent like that. SC was badly crafting a narrative. Even if we stop voting him, I will want him dead or investigated.

I like Shadow. K I need more from.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

Titus head has intermittent power outages and storm that ripped out a tree. Vla till further notice. Hopefully resolved shortly.

[Night Hunters]

My town read on you is mostly gut, bbt, but you have good reads progression and are trying to solve the game, etc. etc.

So if anyone is a PR can you STOP FUCKING CLAIMING?!

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Just kinda happens.

[Night Hunters]

I already explained it. It is a feel of genuineness that I get when I read your posts that = town.

I am interested in a massive wagon but Titus thinks they're town.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Titus head has intermittent power outages and storm that ripped out a tree. Vla till further notice. Hopefully resolved shortly.

[Night Hunters]

OK

[Night Hunters]

Of the ones we talked about, yes.

[Night Hunters]

Of the ones we talked about, yes.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

You, massive, Cakey and GL. I think we talked about fire before the PR claim but we haven't really talked about our reads that much the past few days.

[Night Hunters]

Titus likes the GL wagon, I think it is decent. And idk? We were just talking about them.
Titus said a while back they could do jeanne but I'm null on that slot.

[Night Hunters]

Titus didnt really say why they're scum reading GL.

[Night Hunters]

I see Massive as town because no good reason has been provided to scumread massive and SirCakez and GL want it. GL being Mr. Repeat the same question already asked and answered three times is shitty. His response that he didn't vet his own wagon is crap too.

VOTE: GL

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

I think GL is town so I'm not interested in that wagon.

Does the scum read still boil down to his defence of SC?

Well we got a problem then. Your play boils down to scumread the noons and it's a place town winds up a lot.

I want GL SC or Jeanne ATM.

[Night Hunters]

Ooh Cakey wagon coming back.

VOTE: SirCakez

I feel frustrated I cannot get more votes on Cakey Thor. You thought his vote was bad, then why try to start a new wagon?

[Night Hunters]

Ooh Cakey wagon coming back.

It really isn't.

You're helping scum push a counter-wagon. Stop it.

Nah, you're the one helping scum. GL is a broken record merely complaining about my accurate read and not vetting other wagons. SirCakez had a shitty scum trajectory.

They both want massive, so this head doesn't want massive.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

Thor gives me bad vibes. :I

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Idk what it is but the tone of your posts seems kinda off.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

This is a hydra if it wasnt obvious by us signing Dad (dwlee) and Mom (titus).

lol

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Was my tone not off when you asked me to back your wagon of choice? Like, if you suspected him, and I'm a scummy seeming person who also suspects him shouldn't that positively affect your read on him or on me? Instead you seemed to suspect both, but only after I turned you down (something I made quite clear that I would prior to your ask, unless you thought me mentioning Cake's scummy posting was equivalent to the level of fervor I expressed towards my Fire read). I'm asking because the logic flow here seems really off, I don't ask people I think are scummy to back me up in lyching someone - do you?

If yes, why?
In no...then what happened here?

Your entire question is asking me why I changed my position on you when that was titus' position. You're saying "was my tone not off when you asked me to back your wagon of choice" that was titus who asked you that. Not me. So your question is completely unrelated to me. *shrugs*

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Thor, you're asking me to read subtext. I struggle with that. I also hate meta. I could do fire but it's not a wagon I am thrilled by.

I will keep looking to see what you're getting at since I am pretty sure you're town.

Dwlee, Thor is like my first IC ever in a noob game. Why he's selling meta is weird but I don't think he'd make that strong of a push if he wasn't town.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

@Thor, The why don't you hop on thing goes both ways and Cakes is the larger wagon?

I did have a strong case that had support from Toejam and Shaddowez? Why can't you sheep us?

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

fire is town though
-dad

[Night Hunters]

Read his ISO. If that isnt town tone idk what is.

[Night Hunters]

Read his ISO. If that isnt town tone idk what is.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

There are a lot of things that can ping my tonedar so *shrug*. Maybe you're weird.
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

To put it bluntly: I don't believe you.

Believe me or not, my role will get confirmed down the line. So lynching me day 1 is anti town.

[Night Hunters]

To put it bluntly: I don't believe you.

Believe me or not, my role will get confirmed down the line. So lynching me day 1 is anti town.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Our kitchen could use renovations. Particularly the countertops.

VOTE: Firebringer

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

Our kitchen could use renovations. Particularly the countertops.

VOTE: Firebringer

~Mom

I am going to be so disapoints in you if you are town.

Our kitchen needs to be refurbished.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Our kitchen needs to be refurbished.

Well I am not paying to refurbish it!

You're paying rent so yes you are.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Titus thinks thor is town for ~reasons~ and it is kinda infuriating.
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Since we have just over two days to deadline and you already have votes, sure.

VOTE: Thor

You sheepy scum? Thor is obvtown and you've piled on almost every wagon.

[Night Hunters]

Wtf Kirroha are you reading? That's a nonsensical question.

You asked Shadow why Thor is scummier than himself or us, who he has followed like a puppy dog all day?

Why aren't you voting Fire?

[Night Hunters]

Thor is nowhere near obvtown.

Yes, he is. The fact you've been attacking all the wagons that could hit scum is annoying.

[Night Hunters]

Since we have just over two days to deadline and you already have votes, sure.

VOTE: Thor

You sheepy scum? Thor is obvtown and you've piled on almost every wagon.

Yep, that's why I voted Ari with nobody else on it whatsoever. You seemed to like my vote when it was on the same wagon as you, however.

Also, what makes Thor obvtown? Granted I've only played one game with him, but this doesn't seem any different than that game and he was scum.

Your Ari vote lasted all of twenty minutes. You abandoned it upon the first request. Your Ari vote is a show vote.

Yup, because I figured you'd do something other than be passive and I am thankful for all votes on scum.

Thor is obvtown precisely for his Fire push. Scum Thor could easily justify jumping on Cakes or massive, instead he pushes Fire. Unless his team is SirCakez and massive, Thor is town.

[Night Hunters]

Bad vibes still there. Maybe it is just cause they're a strong player. Idk yet.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

I haven't talked with titus much recently but I know they're a better player and I can trust their reads.
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

OK, then why are you allowing Titus to spout all of this 'obvtown' bullshit about Thor?

PEdit - The case against Thor is that he is trying to lynch a claimed PR.

So what? There's a lot of PRs. Scum can claim PR day 1. I have in the past.

Firebringer notably didn't do that in Machina and has a terrible defense o Cakey.

Thor is obvtown for not just sitting on his hands, like he could have.

PR and not doing jackshit is scummy as fuck, particularly when he says scum will never kill him. Give me a break.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go deal with work.

I expect a wagon on FB or Cakey or GL or Jeanne to take and go through or you're all grounded.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

UNVOTE:

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Titus and I have come to a consensus that we agree on jeanne so:
VOTE: Jeanne

[Night Hunters]

Nope :3

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Bbt, Then the only possible lynch would be massive as I think he's the only VT. I think this is role madness.

Can you be any more dense? I have hinted as much six ways from Sunday.


~Mom

[Night Hunters]

Thor, site meta has gone to shit while you've been away. Useless liars survive. Newbies and those who give a damn are the lynch wagons day 1. Anyone who actually pushes scum is an asshole. Scum don't bus because they can just pick on noobs, insult people and lurk to victory.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

Well yeah in five months basically the site has gone under a gradual descent into lynch the newbies and we have our clique. It happened in Borderlands. Dwelee had the balls to admit that he forgot something, scum prevented any other counter wagon because Dwelee defending himself was fucking noise. Town went hurrdurr ok.

Town has like a 10% lynch scum d1 unless it's pirate mollie or someone else.

Role madness has one or two VTs but the rest PRs. Check the wiki.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

Meaning pirate mollie leads the town.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

The fact Jeanne hasn't been pressured and flails like a mothfucker means there are wagons on town somewhere and scum don't fear being lynched or Jeanne is scum. Site meta dictates she should have been wagoned well before massive if no content is the standard. She hasn't.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

That's how I can feel confident massive is town.

~Mom

[Night Hunters]

For what, a lynch on scum?

When do I cease waiting for you to get your head out of Cake Fire and GL's asses?

Massive toejam Thor are all town, probably kiroha too. Zefind again probably.

When do we lynch scum? I wanna lynch scum before I turn 30 but stupidity is the rule of the day and I don't know why?

Who lynches and refuses Jeanne gives us a shitton of info.
Same with any other lynch.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

I thought role madness was all PRs. I don't think this is role madness anyways.

Of course not. Fire's your buddy. You two have been far too closeand have zero personal history at all to justify it. You're retconning your reads. Fire says gut whines and claims PR.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

Claiming because deadline and RL.

We are Your Parents. We are the Tracker.

[Night Hunters]

And why can't SirCakez Firebringer or your wagon take off?

Why did you ignore our vote on you? You have flailed every single town game you've been in and acted cool as a cucumber in your scumgames. Why shouldn't we flashwagon you?

Why can't we wagon SirCakez? Is that because he's scum and he's already told you no bussing?

You had us as a townread and attempted to sneak on our wagon with no explanation? Why?

[Night Hunters]

That's at Jeanne.

[Night Hunters]

If you're town SirCakez (which I am considering due to the shitty vote by toejam and Jeanne), you're supposing Thor has the same knowledge you do when he's been away for awhile and not psychic.

What game are you referring to where Fire game threw? Why did you ignore the shitty votes by toejam and Jeanne? Why did you ignore our claim?

@Thor, Site meta is no PR lynch D1 unless Titus.

[Night Hunters]

Are we seriously going after another pr!?

Why does them claiming a PR matter in any way at all?

Because I knew they were sifting a PR from the get go with their "Mom" and "Dad" post signing. I had them as a strong townread because of this and due to their play!

Tojam is just giddy to kill a good PR so he can become them.
I have seen scum backups before, so I'm not buying that he is town by role.
That's also why I had them in my scum pool before. Because their play was scummy, and their claim dubious as well as unprompted.

VOTE: Toejam

Thank you.

Now I can stop flavorcrumbing being married to a kid half my age. It felt creepy.

[Night Hunters]

I was referring to Open 623 where we both mislynched him. It wasn't game throwing, just bad play.
And I'm thinking about your claim. That's like the fifth PR claim now though, some of these have to be false.

Fifth?

Toejam claimed intern.
Massive is VT.
Fire is ???

You know, it could be rolemadness like I said.

Nah, Fire wasn't protown until like the 30 seconds before Cow hammered. No one but you me and EE bothered to try that game.

[Night Hunters]

And why can't SirCakez Firebringer or your wagon take off?

Why did you ignore our vote on you? You have flailed every single town game you've been in and acted cool as a cucumber in your scumgames. Why shouldn't we flashwagon you?

Why can't we wagon SirCakez? Is that because he's scum and he's already told you no bussing?

You had us as a townread and attempted to sneak on our wagon with no explanation? Why?

1. Because I am trying to be more level-headed. That and my lynch won't hinder the town much, unlike in previous games.
2. Because there's a day left
3. Thoughts change during the course of the game

Right, so you're attempt to be level headed is not posting at all? Bullshit.

A lot of us are here. Thoughts on toejam?

Yes and usually if those thoughts changed they are explained. You have given about zero thoughts.

[Night Hunters]

I don't have a lot of time but Mum and Dad implied a protective role for me. Not tracker.

I don't buy it.

Yes, you think we'd be extremely blatant with protective role crumbs and Mom and Dad watching your every move has nothing to do with being a tracker.

You are being really shitty lately BBT and its getting very hard to determine the shitty town from scum. Shape up.

[Night Hunters]

More or less, but extrapolate out that I think he's claiming a role that can't be killed because he crumbed that, and then add in that the question you're not answering is that you are claiming he crumbed something else and I was asking you to give me at least some clue as to where he did so because I'm not seeing it at all.

I'm treating "I cannot be NK'd" as a crumb.

Ok, let's suppose it is.

Let's assume FB is crumbing he's bulletproof rather than just being a scumfuck abusing the site meta against lynching PRs to do jackshit.

Why hasn't he lead the charge in stating who is scum? Why hasn't he been vocal at all? A BP should try to be as obviously town as possible to draw bullets not lurk his way and claim PR.

[Night Hunters]

(Btw, I have so much work for school right now esp with exams around the corner but I won't let it get me down. If I organise my time well I can take up quite a lot.)

Yes my kitchen counters DO need renovations! Don't they?

Ok my bad

[Night Hunters]

(Btw, I have so much work for school right now esp with exams around the corner but I won't let it get me down. If I organise my time well I can take up quite a lot.)

Yes my kitchen counters DO need renovations! Don't they?

I don't get it.

It's not for you anyway. It's old style Titus moonlogic and Thor is likely the only one to pick up on what I am literally thinking.

[Night Hunters]

I have a -strong- feeling tojam is going to flip town. Their intern claim feels legit (it was unprompted but ???)

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

And if you have fear of deadline - where were you four days ago?

Thor, pick a fucking viable wagon then. Yes Fire is scum. So is Jeanne. Pick the least bad one.

[Night Hunters]

I joined the toejam wagon yesterday. We get zero opportunity to communicate about our vote in the deadline scramble. We still do.

@Thor, Fire isn't happening. I would be all over Fire but it isn't because people are dumb. I would still do cakey or Jeanne.

I have no desire to no lynch and I am ok with voting anyone who might be scum.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

Thor could you not?

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Actually, Dwlee we need to talk about that.

VLA Cause Birthday

[Night Hunters]

Jeanne when you are here we need you to claim your target last night. we gotz da juicy info

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

kk jeanne
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

yo shaddow we actually followed you where were you at? :3

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

That's because I am trying to vanish between your walls. Fear the power of vanishing! I have a reason to vanish. bb.

Target? I have no target, I wish I had though. Unless I was forced to visit someone by someone else, I had no target.

VOTE: Jeanne

[Night Hunters]

That's Titus BTW.

[Night Hunters]

Kuroi isn't even in this game.

[Night Hunters]

OK. I will lynch you Jeanne.

[Night Hunters]

yo shaddow we actually followed you where were you at? :3

-Dad

You tell me and I'll tell you if you're right or not.

Ok. We will tell you our results later today.

Right now Jeanne needs rope.

[Night Hunters]

yo shaddow we actually followed you where were you at? :3

-Dad

You tell me and I'll tell you if you're right or not.

Are you a miller?

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

@Shaddoweh He meant gravedigger. I explained it as a miller for trackers.

Why you ignore Jeanne Shaddowez?

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

@Shaddowez, Jeanne heavily implying PR and then she had no target isn't suspect? The wagon on her isn't worth comment to you? She's lurking and you don't wanna know why? She wanted to lynch her townread because lol it was the only viable wagon.

You're all, gee this is null. I'ma doubtcast NH implying to have tracked us.

You Jeanne's buddy? You sure spent a lot of time up my ass yesterday to 180 after we went after Jeanne. It's the second place you didn't sheep. The first place is relevant for reasons I am withholding.

[Night Hunters]

So for me, right now, it's a PoE between massive, Aristophanes, NH, shaddowez, SirCakez, Jeanne, and Firebringer.

So just to be clear - your PoE is the entirety of the tojam wagon. That means you think no scum stayed off the wagon, right?

@shaddowez, why are you WIFOM-ing so hard on the BBT kill? If NH is legit, maybe he wasn't killed because scum is scared of a protective role. In my opinion, BBT was killed for being universally town-read. BBT was never going to be lynched, which would be a serious obstacle for scum.

Is one line explaining my thought process WIFOM-ing "so hard"? I won't deny there's a little WIFOM there as it's speculation, but it's not like I'm fighting for it, using it as my only argument, or that it's so far fetched it's not even possible.

As a sidenote, I'm still waiting on NH to tell me what they saw when they followed me. Based on their followup questions to me, I'm pretty sure they're not legit.

Take out NH and put in GL and I am ok with it but I am starting to think SirCakez faked his reads as town or deliberately voted his townread for reactions and lacked the balls to cal off his gambit.

I am at Jeanne - Shadow - Redacted in Fire/Ari/SirCakez/GL

[Night Hunters]

Zfiend, it is. You're seeing Shaddowez's flail. Now, I could force you along the natural narrative here but give me just a little bit of time here.

So Shaddowez, how about it hmm? You going to respond and get ahead of things now? We did track you. You weren't our first choice but going down this road is laughable. We tracked you. Now, you play your cards. Got an explanation for our results?

[Night Hunters]

The implication is clear. To pretend otherwise is lunacy.

[Night Hunters]

And I want you to comment on Jeanne's lynch me comment. I also want you to be on record so you cannot fake who you visited and I will be confirmed as a tracker. I am already in a hood that has our results.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

That's what I wanted.

Now, here's the kicker. Time to close this out.

We were blocked. Rather than imply that I made up my track implication, you went to bus driver which makes no sense.

The thing is the current claims need three blockers at the moment.

(Yes I know that three number makes no sense trust me there) or someone is ascetic.

[Night Hunters]

Then again, there's [redacted] being a lying sack of shit.

[Night Hunters]

Here's what I know....

We were blocked.

[Redacted] blocked [Redacted2], not as protection.
We were blocked or targeted an ascetic.
Shaddowez claims to investigate GL and blocked or ascetic.

That's three blockers.

[Night Hunters]

The authorities said that there's no lying or bastardry when it comes to me. Therefore, I am still VT.

A VT doesn't make the post you made about needing to lurk.

[Night Hunters]

No. Redacted and Redacted 2 are not me, Shaddoweh or GL.

[Night Hunters]

Blocked or we targeted an ascetic. We got no result.

Rber plus asectic in the same role? That would make GL scum then. That's the only way to make [Redacted], Shaddowez and myself town.

Thor's theory to have all town.
Redacted jails redacted 2.
Shaddowez targets GL, who is ascetic.
NH targets Shaddowez and gets no results because blocked.

(Realistically we were claimed investigative, we were getting blocked).

[Night Hunters]

Did you even read what I posted? I obviously confused this game for another. To scum-read me for something like that is weak and you know it.

Still not hitting your town flail.

[Night Hunters]

In a role madness game, there is usually only one VT and massive claimed it. Your posts do not match VT either.

Which game do you want me to read?

@Thor, I am less interesting.

[Night Hunters]

I am so confused by the roles and interactions.
Can't we go back to basic scumhunting?

You're scum. Please SC2 has more interactions than this. This predicament is something you should solve easily.

[Night Hunters]

Firebringer, boohoohoo.

You got three people who should be blocked or otherwise claiming to be N1. The odds of three blockers is shit. If someone lied as town, they should own it no?

[Night Hunters]

I don't understand you Titus. You wanted me to get better/be calmer. Now that I am starting to, you scumread me for it. I mean, wtf?

right, and you believe massive over me why? Is he under some sort of contract that prohibits him from lying?

Your tone is mucho better. I will say that.

The problem is town Jeanne tells us in no uncertain terms who scum are. You're resisting that and when I pressured you, you abandoned your whole narrative.

You also didn't answer which game you wanted me to read.

[Night Hunters]

Firebringer, boohoohoo.

You got three people who should be blocked or otherwise claiming to be N1. The odds of three blockers is shit. If someone lied as town, they should own it no?

I am crying, in the inside.
Cause I suck at mafia.

How is your day going?

Yeah, I respect you too much to let you throw yourself a pity party.

If you're town here, get your ass out here.

If anyone blocked me or Shaddowez, you better claim it.

[Night Hunters]

I blocked Jeanne.
I am a Jailkeeper.

FB claims to be redacted. Jeanne was redacted 2.
Shaddowez was going to be his original target.

Fire and us swapped because it was better to jail the mutual scumread be jailed and track Shaddowez.

Yup Fire and us were hooded.

Jeanne's spontaneous VT claim means we cannot verify who Fire blocked at all.

Fire being a lying guy makes the most sense but then scum need two blockers.

[Night Hunters]

I blocked Jeanne.
I am a Jailkeeper.

1. You can't block a VT
2. I received no notifications that I was jailed.

Liar.

VTs don't receive blocked notification of being blocked on this site.
VTs can be blocked.

[Night Hunters]

Guys, We just got notified the mod sent us the wrong results

[Night Hunters]

We now confirm Shaddowez went nowhere which means he's town.

[Night Hunters]

True, but jailed people normally receive a PT with their jailor. Or am I missing something?

You're so scum. This variant is only common on sc2. This is deliberate wifom.

[Night Hunters]

We now confirm Shaddowez went nowhere which means he's town.

This isn't logically sound.

It is most likely. Scum have to have a blocker OR they are idiots leaving us alive. Going nowhere without a VT claim confirms Shaddowez was blocked.

Unless you're claiming that a town roleblocker exists in addition to yourself, Shaddowez is town.

[Night Hunters]

Well never mind Aero just went back to no result for us.

Seriously, Aero. Seriously.

[Night Hunters]

Ok, I am going to have to reset some things given the mod's total pinball here. We're back to three blocked ppl and that should not be possible.

SirCakez, how against RM are you?

[Night Hunters]

Well never mind Aero just went back to no result for us.

Seriously, Aero. Seriously.

What?

>_>

The mod said no result.
Then he said my bad Shaddowez went no where.
Then he corrected and said nope, got it right the first time. No result.

[Night Hunters]

UNVOTE:

[Night Hunters]

Pretty sure Jeanne is scum but I need to chill for a bit.

[Night Hunters]

NH what is RM?
The naked vote on Aristo was for him being a total lurksack for all of yesterday and doing nothing pro-town. Jeanne is also on my scum list though, I approve of that wagon but don't want to join since it's at L-2 and self hammer is a decent chance here.
I didn't fake my reads ffs, but I am town. Good to see NH coming around.
Finally, this is definitely not Role Madness.

I unvoted SirCakez. You can join now.

Dwlee and I are going to sit back and talk about things here.

Right now, we're back at the three roleblockers scenario with the knowledge that Shaddowez didn't go anywhere due to mod error but we technically got no result.

I'm strongly thinking Fire is town if Jeanne is scum just due to the sheer effort Jeanne is going through to make Fire look bad to me.

RM is likely role madness.

[Night Hunters]

I am thinking about these claims. I agree with NH that three blocks in a night is highly unlikely. I am not ascetic.

So there are three major pieces of information here.

1. Fire claims to be JKer who visited Jeanne.
2. NH claims to be a tracker that was blocked last night, but also claims to know by mod-error that shaddowez went nowhere.
3. shaddowez claims to have attempted to visit me and gotten blocked.

So if we are to believe that there are fewer than three RBers, one of Fire/NH/shaddowez must be lying. I think one of NH/Fire is probably lying, as I don't think it makes sense to have both a town JKer and a town Tracker in a hood, and I also strongly doubt shaddowez would invent a roleblocked claim here.

We didnt' start in the hood
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Ok, totally abusing mod error here.

1) I assumed we were roleblocked given we were an outed tracker and got no result (explicitly).
2) The mod changed our result to Shaddowez went nowhere. This tells me that we were not likely blocked but the mod change was due to error in blocking.
3) The mod then told us again that we got no result. This change back suggests that Shaddowez is an ascetic.

VOTE: Shaddowez

Shaddowez's responses today all suggested someone who knew he wasn't tracked today. First implying I had nothing on him, trying to discredit our result from a place of knowledge. His whole exchange reeks of you have nothing. He doesn't even vote GL when I make it apparent that the most likelihood is that someone is lying.

He claims vague investigator, somewhat counterclaiming us but never claims the type of investigator.


There is a chance Shaddowez could have just known I was blocked and the mod double fucked up on roleblocker as well.

Either way, right now I'm thinking Jeanne Shaddowez and one of Fire/Ari.

[Night Hunters]

Firebringer, why are you so opposed to us?

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Yup Fire and us were hooded.

Do you know who neighborized you? Just yes or no is fine.

Yes

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

So, here's an interesting fact - I'm the neighborizer. If NH actually knows who neighborized them, that person should cc me and NH can confirm it.

Lol. You claimed investigative earlier. Fire and I both know you're not the neighborizer. Nice rolefish. You can die now.

I was going to go into large scenarios but this just saved the time.

[Night Hunters]

The neighborhood started at the start of last night, is working during the day and has the neighborizer in it.

[Night Hunters]

@Jeanne, Can you be quiet? I am actually scumhunting scum that slipped. You are not helping yourself any.

[Night Hunters]

Plus you going nowhere is really inconsistent with you trying to neighborize (you would be shown as being bus driven to bbt under your theory).

When Fire gets on, he'll vote you too most likely too.

[Night Hunters]

@Shaddowez, And your explanation about how you're the neighborizer who neighborized me and Fire when you targeted neither of us and there's someone in the hood claiming he did?

@Thor, We did but I fail to see your conclusion. Shadowez picked bus driver prior to mod errors. The only way we theoretically have confirmation Shadow went nowhere is through mod actions that were unpredictable. If [RedactedX] or Fire is scum, they could just as easily say so to their scum partners and then make a turbo lynch claim.

I am not eliminating Ari or Shadow just yet.

[Night Hunters]

I meant Fire or ReactedX not eliminated. Totally distracted there.

[Night Hunters]

So you're claiming there's two neighborizers now?

P.S. The proper response is that you didn't visit the dead guy, not that there's no way I got a result on you.

You ought to know by now people in jail can be targeted.

[Night Hunters]

The neighborizer chooses two targets during the day and we get into the PT for a night and day phase.
You targeting a dead person would still give a tracker result.. and I think we've done enough w/ the day lez get a hammer.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

[Night Hunters]

Well the way neighborizer works this way is the way I described. And mod error gave us a you didnt visit anyone, soooooo???

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Cakes, do not hammer. Kirroha hammers or he's the lynch tomorrow.

This isn't complicated at all.

There's a hood. It was started by a day neighborizer. When pressured, Shaddowez claimed neighborizer that failed.

For Shadowez and myself to be town, town must have a roleblocker that targeted myself or Shadowez. (Even if you suppose Fire's a lying scumfuck that targeted one of us, you would still need a town roleblocker to block the other). None have come forward. GL being ascetic with the neighborizer here being scum which nets a two for one in the rare event Shadow does flip town.

Shadow not providing reads is also pretty scummy. He leaves, knowing he's near hammer and just says no reads.

[Night Hunters]

Good.

Sorry for being a bitch and making you hammer, but when I see weird dancing around a hammer, I fear Supersaint.

[Night Hunters]

Oh and before the record, this unlikely true but if Shadow flips scum, I will murder anyone who says my neighborizer is conftown. Probtown is better. Bye.

[Night Hunters]

So, Ari why are there two neighborizers?

Firebringer, where did we track you to? :-p

GL, why are you ascetic?

[Night Hunters]

You tell me?

There's two options

1) There's two scum blockers
2) You're a scum blocker

Because we got no result on you

[Night Hunters]

Thor gives me bad vibes. :I

-Dad

Idk what it is but the tone of your posts seems kinda off.

-Dad

HA

HAHAHAHAHA

HA!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Night Hunters]

Obviously dad ^

[Night Hunters]

Tell Titus her scumdar is way off this game.

Ok I just did.

[Night Hunters]

It's been noted.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

Titus and I have determined guiltylion is ascetic~
VOTE: GuiltyLion
~Dad

[Night Hunters]

No there isn't.

We have to explain how Shaddowez didn't neighborize GL.

We were blocked.

Two blockers exist or GL is ascetic.

[Night Hunters]

Titus and I have determined guiltylion is ascetic~
VOTE: GuiltyLion
~Dad

Town Ascetic?
Consider this?

GL's smart enough to claim post fucking 1 if he's town ascetic.

[Night Hunters]

No there isn't.

We have to explain how Shaddowez didn't neighborize GL.

We were blocked.

Two blockers exist or GL is ascetic.

scum having a BP is interesting. That would suggest either a vig or an SK.

shaddowez townflip makes me think that the other neighborizer is probably scum.

GL, why are you ascetic?

I'm not ascetic. I don't know why you keep saying this. Explain your accusation, cause where I'm sitting this looks like the third mislynch you're trying to push this game.

[Night Hunters]

Nah, I think I've got it but Dwlee has been the smarter head so I'm running it by him.

I think scum is in Ari/GL/Fire/Jeanne.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

My only question is why did they have me switch targets night 1.
I was going to originally target Shaddowez, but they had me switch to Jeanne....

That doesn't add up to my theory. Maybe to build some trust?

Cuz your theory is stupid.

My plan would have been much clearer if it wasn't for the three different mod errors.

We were outed tracker. Our plan was to insinuate targets went to the kill for reactions. The mod kept changing our result though. :S

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

Nah, I think I've got it but Dwlee has been the smarter head so I'm running it by him.

I think scum is in Ari/GL/Fire/Jeanne.

~Titus

4 scum? If Ari is in this don't you think you need to reconsider this shit? Its bad.
Me and Guilty are both voting Aristophanes, unless you think one of us is bussing.

Its just bad form so far Titus, you are not this bad. I know it.

This is scum you.

Total universe of scum.

I would happen to think one of you is bussing indeed. Two neighborizers makes Ari very likely scum too. He or GL would be the lynches for today.

[Night Hunters]

Cuz your theory is stupid.

My plan would have been much clearer if it wasn't for the three different mod errors.

We were outed tracker. Our plan was to insinuate targets went to the kill for reactions. The mod kept changing our result though. :S

~Titus

I am not considering mod errors into this. Based off what I have said, ignoring any outside facts, why are you not scum.
Everything that is happened so far can be seen as you lining up actions to discredit players and attempt mislynches.

You calling Thor day 1 as town, That 100% sounds like something you would do for a scum teammate.

Titus, this doesn't add up if you are town. IT just doesn't.

It totally does.

*shrug*

You'd have to suppose I was an idiot scum to go for this play. Plus, I have told you by now. Never EVER try to plan mislynches as scum unless out of options. That's just not how I roll. You ought to know this.

I called Thor town. Dwlee didn't. He was right.

*shrug*

Right now, we got two blocked people and you got no explanation for it. I don't either.

It makes more sense that scum have a protector and a roleblocker on each team Fire but I'm not going too far down that hole.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

He or GL would be the lynches for today.

how about you tell the class why you haven't voted or pushed on Aristophanes once this game, despite continually including him in your scumpool?

How about you tell the class that Ari hasn't been here.

[Night Hunters]

Mod: Did the BP enabler enable Thor's BP?

[Night Hunters]

@Fire/@GL, Why aren't you two investigating each other?

[Night Hunters]

@Fire/@GL, Why aren't you two investigating each other?

I feel pretty solid on Guilty Lion, I don't really consider him scummy.

Despite him being scum and the game being singleball almost certainly clearing you?

[Night Hunters]

So Sensei mad that Nahdia hammered a scum? What? lol

I'm going to suppose this is the wrong game and disregard.

[Night Hunters]

SirCakez it's because NH is scum

claims to scumread Aristophanes, still won't join a wagon on him, instead trying to foster discord between Fire/myself who are both pushing Aristophanes.

Go ahead and mislynch me tomorrow for your doom.

We're probably looking at multiball.

We've got a bulletproof scum.

We've got two blockers in play.

Fire's claimed one.

*shrug*

Either Fire or GL has to be scum, and they are kissing each other's asses. That's the problem I have here. I want to know why.

~Titus

[Night Hunters]

@Fire/@GL, Why aren't you two investigating each other?

what do you mean by this

Pretty transparent here.

Why aren't you investigating each other?

I'm not referring to the night action.

[Night Hunters]

Titus and I are discussing possibility of multiball. Thinking that a scum jailkeeper (firebringer) would make a ton of sense in a multiball game. Also the double kill last night points to it because we dont think there is a vig in the game rn. No one claimed vig either so that kind of points to multiball. Apparently I'm leading this hydra now, though, so that's hype. What else do I want to brain dump okay so guilty lion is definitely scum because we have been getting blocked and shaddow claimed to have visited guiltylion but didnt neighborize them which means they're ascetic but now I'm thinking about the mod error but I don't think I am allowed to do that sooooo
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

oh but there are probably double roleblockers because of multiball but why would they block shaddow?
-dad

pedit true so there probably aren't double roleblockers and guilty is scum

[Night Hunters]

The ideas are dwlee-approved though, fire. :C
-Dad

[Night Hunters]

I am so sick of Titus bad reads this game. Like she can't say I am partners with Thor based off Day 1, so she says its gotta be multi ball because....FIre is scum.

Its one of those my theory doesn't work so lets adjust the theory until I am right. When someone points out obvious she just corrects the mistake and moves on so her original theory of who is scum is still exactly the same.

I am sick of your play here Titus.
If you are town, I am going to be so pissed post game of your plays here.

Titus, I like playing with you here. But you are making so little sense its killing me.

Come up with a scenario where I'm town, you're town, and there's a block on each of us.

Then tell me all about how little sense I'm making.

[Night Hunters]

Come up with a scenario where I'm town, you're town, and there's a block on each of us.

Then tell me all about how little sense I'm making.

I really want to live in a world we are both town, and we both can trust each other.
Its just so hard sometimes cause you constantly trick me.

Then do what I'm doing.

Take the words out of it. Stick with the data.

We know now (which I confirmed), that Thor was shot twice. So we know there's two killing roles. No one's likely claiming Vig. That leaves us with two killing factions.

Go forward from there.

[Night Hunters]

Fire are you ignoring me so you can interact with titus because I'm so obviously town and want to push our mislynch?

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

Like I think you're town, fire, but the roleblocking and stuff and the probable sk / multiball seriously points to scum having a jailkeeper.

-Dad

[Night Hunters]

OH AND more evidence towards multiball titus just reminded me thor was one-shot bp so he had to be killed the night before too. Which makes vig even less likely.
-Dad

pedit =_=