Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

[Persivul]

VOTE: lane

He's gotta be scum sooner or later.

Will be interesting to see if this plays out at usual pace, or if lynches accelerate because people want in on the wagon.

[Persivul]

VLA until Friday

Noted.

[Persivul]

I actually think we should ensure that town players are always on the wagon, while using our AM vote at L-1 to collectively agree on someone who probably shouldn't evolve.

You seriously think we're going to sit calmly at L-1 while we decide the AM with the mutagen mechanic in play? I don't think so.

[Persivul]

I am. In real life. Now remove that vote or find a severed horse head in your bed!

Not liking my lone wagon anyway.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hellhound

Although I wouldn't be averse to the first 7 of us on just lynching Heat and getting powerups

[Persivul]

Persivul, how scum would scum scum if a true scum would scum would?

If a scum could cum on a town chick's bum, how much cum would the scum cum?

[Persivul]

YOU SOUND OPPORTUNISTIC PERSIVUL!

Damn right...I rolled pond scum...I needs me some mutaaaaationnnnn...

[Persivul]

Persivul, how scum would scum scum if a true scum would scum would?

If a scum could cum on a town chick's bum, how much cum would the scum cum?

Three fifty.

What does cumming scum want with three fifty...?

[Persivul]

Hey scum, if you're not on hellhound yet, you need to get on, don't want to give all the town the mutations right?

Me likely hellhound so far...how's about lynching heat?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Heat

[Persivul]

So my first thought is if we discuss the optimal way for scum to hop on wagons they won't be able to do it

OK, let's think about this...they see a wagon forming...they vote. There, solved that, now they can't do it. I mean WTF?

[Persivul]

Or we can just do it whenever and come closer to a consensus near lynchtime.

April let's lynch heat and get delicious mutations.

[Persivul]

WILL VOTE
FOR MUTATIONS

[/cardboard sign]

[Persivul]

I don't even know you...but I'll vote with you for mutations!

[Persivul]

Holy fuck you're Firebringer...and I like you...NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!??!?!?!?!!!!

[Persivul]

Next we'll have human sacrifice...dogs and cats living together...MASS HYSTERIA!

[Persivul]

So since we're sharing warm showers how's about voting Heat?

[Persivul]

What never happens?

I never like Firebringer...I believe this is one of the signs of the apocalypse...

[Persivul]

You've always had commitment issues...

[Persivul]

AM: Hellhound

[Persivul]

I didn't know, I swear!!!!

[Persivul]

Shaddow vote Heat

[Persivul]

Because you're a pussy...

[Persivul]

Heat and hellhound scum buddies?

[Persivul]

So my first thought is if we discuss the optimal way for scum to hop on wagons they won't be able to do it

Reading through the thread again I seriously don't like this post. Awkwardly trying to look town with an idea that can't be achieved, and even if we could come up with something, it would just give scum a roadmap to pick another strategy.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flubber

[Persivul]

Edgar vote Flubber.

[Persivul]

AM: Rectum Detectors

[Persivul]

I created Evolution Mafia to bring people together, but ultimately, to have fun time on site.

Yeah, because Survival of the Fittest is all soft and cuddly.

[Persivul]

Dank meme is dank...

[Persivul]

Hey Holehound, I have more posts than you!

[Persivul]

You still are...my posts are 100% USDA choice prime content...no spam allowed...

[Persivul]

Spam would be a step up for you...you're more like pink slime...

[Persivul]

But anyway, I pledge to calm down a bit...you know someone's gonna come on later and have a conniption over the game start...

[Persivul]

VOTE: Holehound

Time to drive home...don't want to miss out on a mutation...

[Persivul]

That post from Flubber doesn't look like a good enough reason for a vote IMO

This post from you looks good enough for a vote, but I don't want to leave the wagon. WTF, how much of a reason do you need to vote someone early D1? Not much.

[Persivul]

That post from Flubber doesn't look like a good enough reason for a vote IMO

This post from you looks good enough for a vote, but I don't want to leave the wagon. WTF, how much of a reason do you need to vote someone early D1? Not much.

True I guess. I'll bite.
VOTE: Flubber

Wow, that was doubly bad.

VOTE: Cakez

[Persivul]

I am also waiting for mod clarification on a thing.

Oh my, how exciting...

[Persivul]

Are you saying all scum are opportunistic?

I'm saying everyone - scum and town - like PRs, so you won't be able to distinguish scum from town by the way the mechanics of this game affect behavior.

You don't think anyone here is going to say "I'm hopping on this wagon because my pr is REALLY IMPORTANT" just to get "roleblocked" the next day?

If you don't think the mechanics of this game are going to change the way people play....why did you join it???

See above. But I'm willing to listen. How will the mechanics of this game make scum play differently from town?

[Persivul]

I also have Hellhound for scum right now, but I could easily see that changing within the next 24-48 hours

Why?

[Persivul]

And the last time I played with Flubber and he actually tried he was scum so :/

When you say

tried

, do you mean tried setup spec/game breaking, or just in general was active and playing the game?

[Persivul]

He went from unconvinced by the case on me to convinced in three minutes. Without explanation, that's incredibly dissonant.

Looking back, he went from not good enough for a vote, to good enough for a vote at this stage of the game. It was worth some pressure, but now you're overplaying it by calling it "incredibly dissonant." I like his explanation in 150, and his subsequent arguments on you don't feel panicky. It reads like he's really trying to figure out the game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flubber

[Persivul]

I see where you're coming from now but I answered your question in the post you quoted. I think scum is more likely to be on a wagon for the sake of a pr than town; in this player set I anticipate town being mature enough to not seek so much personal gain.

So you think all the scum will be on the first wagon?

And as I said before...doesn't saying this ruin its usefulness?

[Persivul]

VOTE: persy

I really don't think persuvial is scum rn but I'm interested in your case

Yeah, maybe with some prompting you can change your read on me in 24 - 48 hours.

[Persivul]

I don't understand why you think saying something so people are more likely to look for it ruins its usefulness.

It introduced wifom to the situation. Even if it's true (and that's not a given - townies love PRs too, and the maturity argument is weak), it would have been better said

after

the first lynch.

[Persivul]

What has anti done that you think is scummy?

Good question.

[Persivul]

I just saw this

Why are you so butthurt about me not explaining one unsubstantiated read when I've been willing to talk about literally everything else?

The point is that you're telegraphing that your reads are likely to change, which looks like nervous scum that knows they should have a progression in their reads.

Further, if you have a town read on me, why do you assume there's a case behind a naked vote? For all you know, it was just bait to test my reaction, or to see who would jump on it. I was actually waiting to see if Edgar would jump on it, as he has a bad scum read on me, but you beat him to it.

[Persivul]

The speed at which the wagon picked up on Hellhound and then dropped, followed by Hellhound still seeming tense to the point of wanting Firebringer to run damage control just strikes me as particularly weird.

What strikes me as weird is the way you push HH, but throw in some seeming coaching posts like 302 and 306.

[Persivul]

Really not liking how Anti flailed then gave up and gave control to Fire. Doesn't seem very townie of him to run away like that, especially since EAP has good points.

FB feels town to me. I don't know Anti well enough (barely at all) to personally judge if his frustration is genuine or not, but I wouldn't think someone with his experience would freak out so easily as scum.

[Persivul]

This isn't the first time someone's said 'FB feels town to me';

Were they right?

I did a test this morning - I read the beginning of his ISOs in several games without checking his alignment beforehand, and I read him right in 4 of 5 games (the fifth I wasn't right or wrong, I couldn't get a feel one way or the other). Those weren't hydras, but he was operating mostly solo at the beginning of this one.

[Persivul]

Why do you want quantification since you no longer scum read them either? How will my citing game numbers help your reads? I'll do it if you have a good answer, but rn I don't see the motivation for the request.

[Persivul]

And that will affect your reads...how? This isn't statistics class.

[Persivul]

Persivul I think you should answer. Pros point was that people often 'feel' Fire is town, and that doesn't seem to have a lot to do with his alignment. So, in those games where you read him right, was he scum of town? It's an important distinction.

Here you go. You can try it yourself if you like.
Mini 1767

Correct scum read

Micro 570

Correct town read

Mini Normal 1740

Correct scum read

Micro 579

No read - he was replaced and the slot was town

Blitz 14

Correct town read

And no, I'm not going to go into detail on how I got the reads.

[Persivul]

Hiplop howd I miss that you were in this game?

Because he hasn't done anything...

[Persivul]

But I'm willing to listen.

Does Percy do outrageous stuff like this as town?

Shocking!

[Persivul]

Slow day...

I'm also kinda thinking more about persivul than a lot of other players I'm reading about, probably because I recognize him a little from GD.

If you know me from GD, you should take outrageous as par for the course.

[Persivul]

This sounds like a game that will make me sad since I played shitty in all of these lol.

So they're representative of your normal play...cool...

[Persivul]

Hiplop totally scum here.

Why?

[Persivul]

I am still concerned that you realized you weren't going to get a solid hold on the thread and decided to claim Miller after realizing the fact

How frequently do you see miller claims turn out to be fake? Any time I've seen one, people get suspicious but it turns out to be legit.

[Persivul]

cuz hes dumb

Coincidence that you're here just as I ask that, or are you lurking and watching for your name to come up?

[Persivul]

That's how I read it too. My initial thought was simply vote your top scum read, AM your second highest scum read. But, I believe it was Edgar that noted that you'll usually want to lynch your second highest scum read the next day anyway, so what's really the point of the AM? Maybe it will be more useful toward end game, but at this point it seems like a crap shoot.

[Persivul]

I joined this one because I thought the mechanics would make it more free-wheeling than a typical game. Looks like it's actually going to be more structured.

[Persivul]

Or we could just lynch heat while he's vla and get some mutations...

p-edit: yeah, privately?

[Persivul]

And look back at his 146. I still really hate that post. I don't know why other people aren't bothered by it.

[Persivul]

Persivul, Hiplop, who are your scumreads? I'm agreeing with everything said on this page about Flubber, Lane and Shiro but these players are all wagoning together which is really off.

Aside from flubber I could vote EAP. Lane looks town - I have a fair amount of experience with him and nothing is pinging me. For Shiro there's not enough to go on yet.

[Persivul]

Sure:

The point is that you're telegraphing that your reads are likely to change, which looks like nervous scum that knows they should have a progression in their reads.

[Persivul]

That was @EP

[Persivul]

Damn persi. I am top wagon here and and you have no opinion on me?

It would be easier if you had more than 12 posts...

[Persivul]

Reminder that this game has short days. We now have 1 day 2 hours left to come together on a lynch.

[Persivul]

10 hours left in phase.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shiro

By my count that's

L-1 on Shiro

, with the next biggest wagon being Cakez at L-4.

AM: Flubber

[Persivul]

As I understand it being AM'd today doesn't affect the mutation you get tonight.

[Persivul]

Each Day players may also vote to give another player an antimutagen besides the regular lynch-votes. This is done through posting "Antimutagen: -Player-" or "AM: -Player-". The mod will keep track of all votes in the votecounts, and the player who has the most votes on him at the end of a Day is prevented from mutating the next Day. This means that if they were a member of the lynch-wagon the same day they received the antimutagen they may still mutate, the Day afterwards however they will not. In the case of a tie the player who was voted first takes priority.

mod, can you clarify this?

Example: I'm on the lynch wagon D1 and receive the most AM votes D1. As I understand it:
- N1 I

will

still get to choose a mutation
- N2 I will

not

get to choose a mutation, even if I was on the D2 lynch wagon

Is that correct?

[Persivul]

am hiplop

screw you

Yeah really.

AM: hiplop

Besides, you just don't get it. You'll still get your mutation tonight if you're on the wagon.

[Persivul]

Although, being on the wagon makes me unkillable... Maybe I should hammer

We only have ~2 hours. Just sayin'...

[Persivul]

You're...not...reading...it...right...

[Persivul]

Plus, if you're town, scum are probably going to kill you tonight anyway the way you're crowing about your great role. I mean WTF, didn't you think of that? Or are you scum?

[Persivul]

Happy anniversary BTW.

[Persivul]

VOTE: lane

VOTE: lane

And the reasons for these are...?

I've played scum with lane once and read him correctly every time since. It's not that difficult. He looks town, like he does in every game that he's town.

VOTE: Cakez

@hiplop: where are you on flubber?

[Persivul]

These two posts. It's like, "hey I know Shiro is going to flip town but don't want to be involved, lynch her anyway!"

Not getting involved is not getting involved. Taunting people with sarcasm is indeed getting involved.

And then follow up with, "maybe I should hammer someone I'm not feeling anyway?"

If you think a lynch is bad but inevitable, the mutation mechanic makes it tempting to get on.

[Persivul]

Lane is posting regularly, looking at different people, giving both town and scum reads, having fun and it all feels natural - i.e. what I expect from him as town.

When we played scum together he described his scum game as

I lurk for awhile, then replace out

, and that's what he did in that game. Not so in this one.

What differences do you see?

[Persivul]

Lane feels HARDCORE different than my town games with him.

Still waiting for an explanation of this.

[Persivul]

How is taunting with sarcasm = actually engaging with those wagoning?

It isn't actually engaging, but it is getting involved. You're moving the goalposts.

Mutation mechanic part is understandable but he made no mention of that.

Yes, he said getting on the wagon would make him unkillable, which I took as implying he could mutate to BP.

[Persivul]

how is Zakk lynchbait? I actually like his posts.

Yeah his push on you stinks
but I like the rest of his stuff

Not much of a surprise that you like someone who has joined the counter wagon to your own wagon.

[Persivul]

i dont know why you sign up for games i'm in if you insist on being excessively antagonistic for no apparent reason

idgi

is it me? if so, plz avoid me in future games.

From the player list it looks like he signed up first, then you joined in.

[Persivul]

AM: Flubber

[Persivul]

I'm not entirely sure that I follow the whole Cakez/Lane thing, myself. I've been trying to get some insight into it but people have been dodgy and only about 1/2 the players are even posting.

Sorry I haven't been posting much but it's been a shitty week - cat died, daughter has surgery tomorrow, working 12 hour days. For me the issue is that Lane appears to be a CW to Cakez. I read Lane as town based on meta as explained previously, and no one on his wagon has a particularly good reason to be there.

[Persivul]

We're lynching Hiplop today.

Works for me.

Anyways this is what I gather from votecounts:

Spoiler:

VOTECOUNT 1.8

Shiro

(7): Edgar Allan Pro, Specter Deflectors,

Apricity

,

SirCakez

, Persivul,

Flubbernugget

, hiplop [LYNCH!]

SirCakez

(2): lane0168,

Shiro

Apricity

(1): zakk
Specter Deflectors (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (2): Heat, Hellhound

Antimutagen:
hiplop (4):

SirCakez

,

Flubbernugget

, lane0168, Persivul
Persivul (2): Heat, hiplop
Specter Deflectors (1):

Iecerint

lane0168 (1): Edgar Allan Pro
Edgar Allan Pro (1): Hellhound

VOTECOUNT 2.4

SirCakez

(6):

Flubbernugget

, Persivul, Heat, zakk, lane0168, hiplop [LYNCH!]
lane0168 (3):

SirCakez

, Hellhound, Specter Deflectors
Hellhound (1): Edgar Allan Pro
hiplop (1):

Apricity

Not Voting (0):

Antimutagen:

Flubbernugget

(4):

SirCakez

, hiplop, Persivul, Specter Deflectors
lane0168 (2): Heat, zakk
hiplop (2): Hellhound, lane0168
Hellhound (1): Edgar Allan Pro

Outside of Hiplop, we should look at Persivul, imo.

I made no secret of the fact that I joined this game with the intent of mutating, so yes, I was on both lynch wagons. Unfortunately I got all excited when my role PM came today and I found out that it was just a repeat of the last one. Thanks to gurts for running the game and all but I thought the third tier would be something cool. It isn't.

Others have already talked about hiplop so I won't repeat those arguments, but I think it's worth noting that on D1 he claimed to have a super strong role. From my own roles and what we've seen flipped, I find that hard to believe.

[Persivul]

I don't read Persivul as scum when he's scum. I just don't have it down. But reading his iso looking for a hiplop partner, it works.

If you recall, I voted him as AM late D1 when he was actually begging not to be AM'd.

[Persivul]

Why would I take the chance?

To save it for a time when you might be at greater risk.

[Persivul]

why WOULDN'T you commute, if you had the ability to?

an investigative clear is worth more than bp modifier for...

everyone in this playerlist

With presumably 3 scum an amnesiac tracker negative doesn't clear anyone.

[Persivul]

what is my scum motivation to hammer there?

To lynch and to prevent town from mutating.

[Persivul]

I have a super strong role that I would prefer to not have limited.

[Persivul]

There's quite a bit of convergent evolution in this game world.

[Persivul]

yep the fact he doesn't immediately offer an explanation for why the action might have failed makes me feel even better about this

I did immediately offer an explanation, if you would have read between the lines. Convergent evolution is when two species from different lineages evolve the same trait. In this game we've had a flip with the choice of a commuter ability, and lane has also claimed commuter. We've likewise seen a townie flip with the choice of ascetic, and I am ascetic. Yes, it's a shitty role for town, but the other choice was also shitty, and I was curious as to what ascetic would lead to.

[Persivul]

I was hoping that it would lead to a really cool second tier mutation, and as ascetic I couldn't be blocked. Unfortunately the later tiers aren't cool. I have a 1X redirect in my pocket, and if I'm on another lynch I can choose a second shot of redirect, or asceticizer (make someone else ascetic, but they don't know it). Having asceticizer as a choice on top of already being ascetic myself either indicates that there's a good reason to have it, or gurts just made a crappy game.

p-edit: I've only seen ascetic once before and they didn't claim. Plus, it seems he's offering it to town for a reason, and claiming might mess with the reason.

[Persivul]

redirect and ascetic dont sound like town priority choices ever

Yep, and yet two of us got it. Did anyone check out cakez' flip in 1081? For some reason mod is giving some typically scum associated roles to town.

[Persivul]

Has it occurred to anyone that, regarding the no result, as scum I could have simply said

I don't know, maybe there was a redirect

. Instead, I'm being honest about my role choices. I didn't know ascetic should claim immediately (I checked the wiki and it didn't say to), but when confronted I was honest about it despite their being an easy alternative explanation.

Consider:
- A town has flipped with a commuter choice. Lane is also claiming commuter and no one finds that suspicious.
- I'm ascetic, and similarly we've had a town flip with the same choices as mine.
- hiplop didn't go into detail but also said in 1244 that duplicate roles make sense to him.

I'm being pushed for being a town ascetic, when everything we know about the setup so far supports me in that claim.

[Persivul]

Why do you think mod would offer ascetic to town?

[Persivul]

How do town ascetics balance out town investigatives?

[Persivul]

How do town ascetics balance out town investigatives?

are you just making noise for fun or

Are you also unable to explain it?

[Persivul]

How in the world are you OK with lynching an ascetic when we've seen a town ascetic flip and we know there are duplicate choices being given out?

When asked why mod would offer ascetic to town, HH replied "balance for a potentially large number of investigatives" but wouldn't expand on that.

Think it through. If ascetics claim and are believed, then investigatives won't go there, it narrows down the target pool, and actually

increases

imbalance.

The only way that town ascetics balance out investigatives is if they're

mislynched

due to a no result coming up on them - and I'm being pushed due to a no result.

OTOH, if scum have RB as an option (and mod hinted at that when I complained about the options), then having ascetic along with another ability makes at least some sense. In that case it's better if the ascetic hasn't claimed, as if he's targeted it wastes a RB shot, and most of what we've seen has been X-shot. (Although I admittedly hadn't thought that through when I didn't claim, I just didn't think about it period.)

[Persivul]

VOTE: persy

I think EAP is better choice, but eh

So vote EAP.

VOTE: EAP

[Persivul]

The only reason I'm not trying to send this more...

...is that you've been wagoned before, don't want to be wagoned again, and so are doing the bare minimum while other people take the heat.

[Persivul]

Weak scum reads without pushes - I was on it D1 but was more interested in Flubber - and yes, current viability is a factor as well.

[Persivul]

Persivul are you town?

You're at L-1 I think it's time you full claimed.

Otherwise I'm screaming for your blood

Yes, I'm town, and I already claimed. I'm ascetic with 1X of redirector. I PM'd mod to bitch about the role choices and he said he thinks they're good for town in combination - basically a protective that can't be blocked.

[Persivul]

Prod received. I've skimmed and not changing my vote for now, but I need to re-read the claims. US tax deadline is in one week, I can put more time to games after that.

[Persivul]

i didnt know about the godfather thing

didn't know i couldnt action am'd

i townslipped get over it

Proclaiming your own town slips is really bad.

might as well fullclaim

I'm a FUCKING BOMB. PGO, essentially for nightkills.

Thats why I 'crumbed' so hard day one.

now lets vote eap in peace plz

Yes, you claimed to have a super great role, and yet you're still alive. Plus you claim to be bomb, but you weren't afraid of taking out a protective with the big claim, and you haven't gone off. And you think you're a very good player, but you didn't understand how the mechanics worked? Ever think of PMing the mod? This shit doesn't add up.

VOTE: hiplop

[Persivul]

You claimed a super role that should have attracted a NK and/or protection, yet no one died even though you now claim you're a bomb. That's bullshit, no matter how big you make the font.

[Persivul]

There was no kill last night. A commuter or some other role apparently worked. Can someone explain to me why we're going to give scum a roadmap to safe NKs? I was thinking hiplop was scummy before reading today's content - this far into the game with no scum lynches and he's still alive, considering his caliber as a player him being scum is the only thing that reconciles those. But, I agree with him on the massclaim...

[Persivul]

Ok not mass-claiming is also fine but what is your position on EAP v Hiplop, Persivul?

On D1 I liked hiplop better and suspected EAP, but now it's the other way around. hiplop's early claim of a great power which he now says was PGO or whatever doesn't make sense. He made a big deal about it, but no one died. His play is erratic, and he's flailing at times. OTHO EAP started out bad, but has been more focused lately. And, I find it hard to believe that scum would come out with an incriminating night result after he had been cleared. I think hiplop's running all over us.

VOTE: hiplop

[Persivul]

FOS: EAP

This should be the lynch but only after discussion.

[Persivul]

Are we in LyLo now? I feel like we are :/ We should lynch Heat or Persivul. Both of their day end posts yesterday felt really bad.

Uh, what about the guy with the false claim that got hiplop lynched? Do you think maybe we should consider lynching

him

?

[Persivul]

Well I jailed Firebringer last night so uhhhhhhh wtf mod?

With the roles we've seen scum probably have a strongman mutation. That's pretty easy to figure out. Why are you acting like it's a mystery?

[Persivul]

"hi i have absolutely no comment on the hiplop flip but i'd certainly love to redirect conversation to other things ergo I am scum btw but nobody pay attention to that hi let's talk about something else kthxbaiguys"

Correct analysis, but the same charge could be made against you. You came in asking mod an obvious question with no comment on the hiplop flip, then seemed to realize that was a bad idea and said something about it.

[Persivul]

I forgot to read the flip :/ It should be EAP, Heat, and Persivul then.

Am I claiming now, or what's the order here?

How do you forget to read the flip?!?

[Persivul]

I think the 'Godfather-like ability" that Wgeurts was talking about was the ability to send a false message like that one I got.

A godfather gives false innocents, and you say you received a false guilty. I don't see how that's a godfather-like ability.

[Persivul]

i was under the impression that the godfather like ability was just gonna be a normal godfather ability though

But wouldn't he just say the game includes a godfather then? Godfather-like ability implies that it's at least a little different from a regular godfather.

[Persivul]

I forgot to read the flip :/ It should be EAP, Heat, and Persivul then.

Am I claiming now, or what's the order here?

How do you forget to read the flip?!?

See my reply to Max asking literally the same thing. Also, hiding them behind spoilers doesn't help.

"I slept extremely late for the past few days and just haven't been feeling myself recently" isn't a reason to not bother reading a flip when you apparently are well enough to be here playing the game, and everyone else has been finding them behind the spoilers. The more I think about this the more it pings me, plus claiming a bunch of abilities that are no good in lylo when we're probably in lylo.

[Persivul]

Why does it bug you that I'd be the second or first vote on you

It bothers me because we're probably in lylo. Yes, the hiplop flip makes EAP most likely scum. But if all three (zakk also voted) of you were town, you would have given the game to scum. Now we know that at least one of the three of you is scum, or there should have been a lynch. Votes in lylo early in phase with little or no questioning of other players makes me think that there's busing involved.

[Persivul]

I'm no longer interested in the mass claim.

Why not? Why are you anxious to close out the day?

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Sorry everyone, I've been really busy. I claimed previously. I believe I have the AM today but I'll be around to vote if needed - I don't think that wagon was all town so my vote would have blocked a town from evolving.

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Nice...this was like 95% EAP's win. Good job sowing just enough doubt to keep town from lynching.

This is why it's best not to bus. By D3 it's just really hard for town to get the numbers to lynch scum. People were scum reading all of us, but it's tough to get 5/6 or 4/4 people to agree on anything.

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Was hiplop active in the dead thread? Was guessing he might be a little pissed off...

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Bummer...

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FYI EAP had encryptor as a mutation choice, so we had daytalk D2 and forward.

p-edit: that's much better!

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Heat was the godfather. I wonder if he got copped.

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If I were town I think I would have been screaming for a lynch. It was lylo except for the roles. Why be concerned about a mislynch when a no lynch is most likely a loss? With a lynch you at least have a chance.

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Yeah, I was floored that it didn't at least get back to L-1.

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I wish I could congratulate scum but like...I feel this was a town loss more than a scum win? :\

I get tired of hearing that.

First, in this case, EAP played a great game.

Second, regarding me and Heat, lurking, sowing apathy, and running out the clock are legitimate scum tactics. Just because they're not as flashy as running the town or making a clever manipulation doesn't mean that scum didn't win.

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Wholo made your kill eap?

Heat made the kill. He had two strongman shots which were used the last two nights IIRC.

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During the game, and now, I just don't get the EAP/Antihero thing. I don't see where any lines were crossed. Seemed like a reasonably civil game to me.

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strongman going through at least two blocks/jails is pretty demoralizing as well

I'll give you that. I thought that two strongman kills was a little overpowered for us.

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Regarding design:

It was very interesting, no doubt about that.

I think it might be better if there weren't overlap of abilities, particularly between town and scum. The overlap made it difficult to make judgments regarding claims. Although maybe that was mod's intent, so the game couldn't be broken with a massclaim.

When I saw 7 day phases, I assumed the idea was that, with the mutation mechanic, people would be more eager to be on lynches, and so they'd go faster anyway, so why bother with 14-day phases. But, it didn't work out that way. I was the only person who came in with the lynch-hungry attitude. But aside from that, I don't get people saying they weren't aware of the short phases. The countdowns were in the VCs like any other game and scum were well aware of the deadlines.