Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Heat
Hellhound is providing the heat for this wagon.

[SirCakez]

That post from Flubber doesn't look like a good enough reason for a vote IMO

[SirCakez]

That post from Flubber doesn't look like a good enough reason for a vote IMO

This post from you looks good enough for a vote, but I don't want to leave the wagon. WTF, how much of a reason do you need to vote someone early D1? Not much.

True I guess. I'll bite.
VOTE: Flubber

[SirCakez]

What would have been a good answer to that? "Lol no your advice sucks"?

[SirCakez]

This is going to be one of those games isn't it?

[SirCakez]

Yeah it is one of those games.
*sighs*

[SirCakez]

Heh I like you Max.

[SirCakez]

I'll deal with this tomorrow, I'm tired af.

[SirCakez]

Heat wagon was RVS though. I took Persivul's vote as trying to start a serious wagon on Flubber, then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber. Then people all got on my balls. That was my train of thought.
And the last time I played with Flubber and he actually tried he was scum so :/

[SirCakez]

Well in the Celebrity uPick you were town and you barely tried.

[SirCakez]

I chose Heat to RVS because there was a wagon going on him and I like wagons to get the game going in RVS.

[SirCakez]

not try as town and scum but only try as scum is a contradiction

like, mathematically so

Wat

Edgar

[SirCakez]

I said Flubber tries as scum but doesn't as town. How did this turn into a math problem lol

[SirCakez]

And the last time I played with Flubber and he actually tried he was scum so :/

When you say

tried

, do you mean tried setup spec/game breaking, or just in general was active and playing the game?

Was in general pretty active and making serious pushes. Not specifically setup spec, no.

[SirCakez]

Yes Persivul's one post convinced me to make a vote switch. I liked his reasoning and decided to follow it. Someone (I think Flubber) called it rash? No it was not rash. Persivul made a good point.

[SirCakez]

Antimutagen: Hellhound

Their interactions with Specter Deflecters and the way they danced around my wagon felt really icky to me. Flubber has been scummier though so just an AM for Hellhound for now.

[SirCakez]

Antimutagen: Hellhound

Their interactions with Specter Deflecters and the way they danced around my wagon felt really icky to me. Flubber has been scummier though so just an AM for Hellhound for now.

HOW AM I DANCING AROUND ANYTHING ARE YOU SHITTING ME

I GOT SUCKED INTO A FUCKING BRUTALLY AWFUL CONVERSATION AND NOW ITS MY FAULT IT EVER OCCURRED

THATS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

In addition, how is one of us scummy for being on your wagon while one of us isn't?

??
That's not what I'm scumreading you for.

[SirCakez]

Antimutagen: Hellhound

Their interactions with Specter Deflecters and the way they danced around my wagon felt really icky to me. Flubber has been scummier though so just an AM for Hellhound for now.

HOW AM I DANCING AROUND ANYTHING ARE YOU SHITTING ME

I GOT SUCKED INTO A FUCKING BRUTALLY AWFUL CONVERSATION AND NOW ITS MY FAULT IT EVER OCCURRED

THATS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

are you OK
This seems like an overreaction

[SirCakez]

Really not liking how Anti flailed then gave up and gave control to Fire. Doesn't seem very townie of him to run away like that, especially since EAP has good points.

[SirCakez]

Fire is really hard for me to read since he jokes around so much so deferring the control of the hydra to him feels like a scum move to me.

[SirCakez]

Fire is really hard for me to read since he jokes around so much so deferring the control of the hydra to him feels like a scum move to me.

its a move to preserve my sanity

the absolute ONLY reason im not subbing out right now is bc ive been saying i would hydra w fire for a while and ive wanted to do it so im doing it.

also ive been incredibly transparent w my thought process re: the reads ive talked about so far. apricity could follow it but for some reason everyone else is playing dumb and varsoons just talking out his ass

This feels pretty legit tbh

Let me try going somewhere else

Antimutagen: Apricity

You're much more quiet then when I played with you last time. What are you thinking right now?

[SirCakez]

And you're just claiming now because?

[SirCakez]

Fire is really hard for me to read since he jokes around so much so deferring the control of the hydra to him feels like a scum move to me.

You can read antihero well?

Better then I can read you <.<

[SirCakez]

@Cakez: I'm rather swamped with hw right now esp. since AP/IB exam season is getting close, so I can't post as much as I'd like. Where do you stand as far as reads go?

I don't really like how Shiro admitted that she sounded scummy in 272. Hellhound is still town to me; I'm not getting why people scumread him. The overreacting doesn't seem out of place with frustrated town.

UNVOTE:
Will be back after homework.

I can understand this actually, I've been there before.
I don't have many super solid reads which is why I'm trying to sort you. Hellhound is leaning town now because their reactions feel genuine. Still scumreading Flubber. I believe Ice's miller claim and am thus townreading him. Other then that, not much.
The Shiro case is one is skimmed over, I have to review her.

I like your post here though so next person is

Antimutagen: lane0168

You've been quite quiet. What's on your mind?

[SirCakez]

Hellhound why does Ice's flavor matter?

[SirCakez]

Waitwaitwait
I forgot Shiro was in the game. What the hell, Shiro you're usually a lot more active then this.

[SirCakez]

Because it doesn't say anything about the claim at all considering the flavor of the game?
good to know /s

[SirCakez]

Because scum often lurk out and deliver no content so pressuring the people doing this is a good way to try to find out scum or at least get content out of town who isn't contributing.

[SirCakez]

No....

[SirCakez]

I'm assuming the flavor is very very varied considering how different Ice and my flavor are. His is all serious and scientific and mine is basically a joke so...

[SirCakez]

I'm assuming the flavor is very very varied considering how different Ice and my flavor are. His is all serious and scientific and mine is basically a joke so...

that's an odd thing to assume. unless it's a upick or the mod explicitly says flavor is not alignment indicative i always assume scum and town have different flavors

my first thought was for iec's claim to make sense, scum are aquatic and town are terrestrial

That makes sense actually, I didn't think of that. Just my flavor role is pretty bizarre compared to how grounded his is so I'm unsure.

[SirCakez]

Actually my flavor does say I'm the only one and wgeurts wanted to have a laugh
So I might just be a joke role idk

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Hiplop
His posts on the last two pages are pretty bad. Asking already answered questions, shooting down vote analysis, fluffing, etc

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sir cakez
I provide a game winning plan, outline scumreads and put town in a better position, actually. You bumbling fool, get on my level.

and I want to know what possible mod clarification was needed. That is not asking already answered questions, sircakez? Confirmed not reading my posts.

The "why did you take so long to claim Miller" was already asked.
And this is basically OMGUS lol.

[SirCakez]

That hiplop vote was really eh, him saying his role might be a joke is eh,trying ot pressure people with the antimutagen vote is eh. Alll around not getting town vibes.

Eh? What does eh mean?
And are you really scumreading me for having a joke role?

[SirCakez]

I think I know almost none of the players in this game.

It's a strange feeling.

you know me. Also, why did you wait so late to claim miller? Not sure thats a scummy thing to do, but yea

How is this related to mod clarification?
Shiro what is "eh" about saying I have a joke role or pressuring people with the AM vote?

[SirCakez]

what was the nature of mod clarification, I mean

and no hydra just me. How would you like to admire me today varsy

This was after the question was asked in the first place
Ice made his facepalm post then you said this
So yes the initial question was already asked

[SirCakez]

Should I flavorclaim? Like everyone else apparently has scientific roles and this is really bizarre so better to clear it up earlier then later.

[SirCakez]

I chose Heat to RVS because there was a wagon going on him and I like wagons to get the game going in RVS.

Heat wagon was RVS though. I took Persivul's vote as trying to start a serious wagon on Flubber, then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber. Then people all got on my balls. That was my train of thought.
And the last time I played with Flubber and he actually tried he was scum so :/

i mean the hopping on wagons thing is fair because its something I do as well, but i don't understand why my wagon would give you any meaningful information considering the fact that I just wasn't even here

Seeing who joins, who's scared to wagon, etc. Better then just a completely random vote in terms of gathering info.

Should I flavorclaim? Like everyone else apparently has scientific roles and this is really bizarre so better to clear it up earlier then later.

I dont like this

Why?

[SirCakez]

Flavor info, yeah. Nothing actually action-related would have to be revealed. Like three people have already said they have scientific names anyways.

[SirCakez]

Rolewise it's insignificant, yeah. It's only relevant to comparing the different flavors of people.

[SirCakez]

Hiplop/Lane/Flubber/Shiro is my scum pool atm, in that order. Persivul has kind of disappeared which is weird.

[SirCakez]

My entire scum pool is the four people voting me gg
Probably at least two town in this pool then since I highly doubt all the scum would vote together like that
Hmmm let me review

[SirCakez]

I agree with him that Lane calling you scum just from low activity was bad. Dislike how he "meh" read me then went to a vote on me as soon as I voted him.

[SirCakez]

I agree with him that Lane calling you scum just from low activity was bad. Dislike how he "meh" read me then went to a vote on me as soon as I voted him.

But your vote was kinda voting him for being bad instead of for being scum really? Like I don't like his posts, but I don't see why scum would act the way he did. So I'm trying to figure him out.

By voting him for bad posts I meant scummy posts. The terms are interchangeable for me.

[SirCakez]

No, I meant I disliked how hiplop voted me immediately after I voted him, not you Lane.

[SirCakez]

Persivul, Hiplop, who are your scumreads? I'm agreeing with everything said on this page about Flubber, Lane and Shiro but these players are all wagoning together which is really off.

[SirCakez]

Yo EAP is pretty town though Hellhound.

[SirCakez]

Don't pull that 'erryone is kicking me man feels bad' appeal.
You did open the game with a spooky gif.
Besides, this sounds like scum-caught-for-the-wrong-reasons.
What don't you agree with with regards to how Max, Flubber, and Cakes are pushing you?
Why does it seem like 'getting kicked in the face'? Even I thought your all-caps outburst post was a bit much, mayne.

-V

Here's one.

[SirCakez]

Did he ever respond to that actually? I missed your response there before.

[SirCakez]

We should lynch out of these: Iece,

What
Explain that please

[SirCakez]

But the miller claim <.<

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Shiro
We need to consolidate and Shiro is not giving me town vibes at all compared to when I've been town with here before (Basic uPick micro).

Antimutagen: Hiplop

This slot is still p bad. Him shooting down the Shiro wagon is terrible.

[SirCakez]

what about my slot is bad?

The Shiro wagon shooting down
The 180 on me when I voted you
Your general contributions are weak

[SirCakez]

specifics, please.

I think he's referring to 499 to 501.

This

[SirCakez]

VOTE: lane

[SirCakez]

Well, guess you all are settled on Shiro then. I'm not feeling it. But good luck with the flip!

Although, being on the wagon makes me unkillable... Maybe I should hammer

These two posts. It's like, "hey I know Shiro is going to flip town but don't want to be involved, lynch her anyway!"
And then follow up with, "maybe I should hammer someone I'm not feeling anyway?"

Like those suck

[SirCakez]

A shit push on your scumbuddy?

[SirCakez]

Idk he seemed like a big threat to us!!!
/s

[SirCakez]

Well, guess you all are settled on Shiro then. I'm not feeling it. But good luck with the flip!

Although, being on the wagon makes me unkillable... Maybe I should hammer

These two posts. It's like, "hey I know Shiro is going to flip town but don't want to be involved, lynch her anyway!"
And then follow up with, "maybe I should hammer someone I'm not feeling anyway?"

Like those suck

This is where my initial vote came from today. I was scumreading Lane earlier but this was really bad.

[SirCakez]

Thought about hammering someone who he literally said he wasn't feeling the lynch for a post earlier?

[SirCakez]

How does this relate to my early push on you at all?

[SirCakez]

It's a flip flop within the same time frame

???

[SirCakez]

VOTE: lane

VOTE: lane

And the reasons for these are...?

I've played scum with lane once and read him correctly every time since. It's not that difficult. He looks town, like he does in every game that he's town.

VOTE: Cakez

@hiplop: where are you on flubber?

I quoted it twice....

[SirCakez]

He had reservations on the wagon and then didn't

You had reservations on my wagon and then didn't

Oh the RVS wagon thing. How is that comparable to an end-day wagon at all?

[SirCakez]

Yea Heat the AM votes helped me sort those two. I sorted Apricity into town, because her response to my AM vote was quite good, and Lane into scum. Hiplop is still a scumread which is why I AMed him.

[SirCakez]

These two posts. It's like, "hey I know Shiro is going to flip town but don't want to be involved, lynch her anyway!"

Not getting involved is not getting involved. Taunting people with sarcasm is indeed getting involved.

And then follow up with, "maybe I should hammer someone I'm not feeling anyway?"

If you think a lynch is bad but inevitable, the mutation mechanic makes it tempting to get on.

How is taunting with sarcasm = actually engaging with those wagoning?
Mutation mechanic part is understandable but he made no mention of that.

[SirCakez]

He had reservations on the wagon and then didn't

You had reservations on my wagon and then didn't

Oh the RVS wagon thing. How is that comparable to an end-day wagon at all?

I dunno

Maybe the fact that they're both wagons

But as persuvial showed,

There was more reason for Lane to flip flop than you, but you still chose to be dense about the question.

What reasons for him to flip flop?

[SirCakez]

I didn't know that was referring to the mutation, oops.

[SirCakez]

How is taunting with sarcasm = actually engaging with those wagoning?

It isn't actually engaging, but it is getting involved. You're moving the goalposts.

Mutation mechanic part is understandable but he made no mention of that.

Yes, he said getting on the wagon would make him unkillable, which I took as implying he could mutate to BP.

First part - that's not moving the goalposts.
Second - yeah I didn't realize that was a reference to mutation.

Lane - because the other stuff still applies.

[SirCakez]

Actually Lane I'm p sure you spent nearly all of yesterday voting me, who else are you scumreading?

[SirCakez]

Antimutagen: Flubber

Still scumreading this and forgot about AM votes.

[SirCakez]

how is Zakk lynchbait? I actually like his posts.

[SirCakez]

Yeah his push on you stinks
but I like the rest of his stuff

[SirCakez]

how is Zakk lynchbait? I actually like his posts.

Yeah his push on you stinks
but I like the rest of his stuff

Not much of a surprise that you like someone who has joined the counter wagon to your own wagon.

That's not really relevant. If he voted me right now I'd still like his posts so ?

[SirCakez]

I do

[SirCakez]

Why did literally no one read why I initially voted Lane asfghshikjk
and nothing he's posted today has given me town vibes. It's just "lol let's wagon cakez" and "prod dodge here".

[SirCakez]

The thing is, lane never fought the Shiro wagon at all until it was already basically through. At that point at the end, he just now said he didn't like it? Like if he really didn't feel it he should have been pushing a counter earlier.

[SirCakez]

how is Zakk lynchbait? I actually like his posts.

Yeah his push on you stinks
but I like the rest of his stuff

Not much of a surprise that you like someone who has joined the counter wagon to your own wagon.

That's not really relevant. If he voted me right now I'd still like his posts so ?

Vote: SirCakez

[SirCakez]

Oh crap we have less then a day left.
EAP and Hellhound need to kill their 1v1 for now and vote a wagon, Deflectors also needs to get off of Persivul (idk what they were doing there).

[SirCakez]

Wat
I'm not pressuring you
I just want you to move your vote to a viable wagon :/

[SirCakez]

I didn't notice Hellhound moving their vote also, was going off the last VC.

[SirCakez]

Lane or myself

[SirCakez]

Obviously the Lane wagon is where you should go! But both are "viable" in the terms of actually possible to reach a lynch

[SirCakez]

My flavor is literally from a video game. Yeah it's very different.

[SirCakez]

Just gonna claim now for deadline.

I'm Charmander, VT (yes Charmander the Pokemon T-T). Was initially Mysterious Pokemon Egg and evolved into Charmander. Mutation option were 1-shot Redirector or Ascetic, Ascetic is negative utility so I went with the redirector obviously. Still have the same mutations given to me, Ascetic or another 1-shot Redirect.

[SirCakez]

I would do that but not enough time I think.

[SirCakez]

I think Apricity is town though

[SirCakez]

I can go Hiplop if there's enough support.

[SirCakez]

Wtf that hammer sucked. Lane prob scum with Hiplop for jumping off like that. Lane, Flubber and Hiplop is scumteam.

[SirCakez]

I was town obviously :/

[SirCakez]

You jumped off Hip almost immediately.
I would have joined on Hip but I wasn't around when the wagon was coming together.

[SirCakez]

Sorry I suck as town Varsoon q.q
I think this is like my sixth or seventh time being mislynched on site but I've only been lynched as scum twice, and once was because of a BS treestump roleblocker role in 3p LyLo.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I was! That's why I was so baffled earlier when people were flavor claiming these huge scientific terms and I was just a Pokemon Egg.

Reads?
EAP and Specter both read very town to me. Apricity did more so earlier but she's kind of disappeared so my read dropped on her. Zakk I also lean town on but his interactions with my scum pool and his rando jump on my wagon at the end makes me question that.
Persivul is super null, barely did anything the whole day. Same for Heat.
Lane/Hiplop/Flubber is my scum pool, have gone over these three before. Obviously Hiplop/Lane's hammer shenanigans are shifty as hell. Flubber has just been sitting back the whole day essentially and he has nasty associations with the prior two.

Hellhound is my big wtf read. I think EAP is definitely town so their 1v1 is concerning but I also think there's a decent chance they could both be town. They did very little outside of that 1v1 today though.

[SirCakez]

Probably because our lovely mod wgeurts isn't online Lane. Why so eager to get it locked?

[SirCakez]

WTF WAS TOWN DOING

[SirCakez]

Yeah I don't think I've ever seen a town win a 4v3

[SirCakez]

Not very actually. I thought he was going to be angry but he was calm for the most part.

[SirCakez]

Never mind I just went and reread his posts in the dead thread. He was pretty salty.

[SirCakez]

Yea I figured day chat after the first deadline nolynch and the quick hammer on Hiplop.

[SirCakez]

Yeah that's the most frustrating bit
Town just sort of stopped posting at the end? It was really bizarre.

[SirCakez]

The fact EAP sat at L-1 for so long without a quick hammer was a huge scum tell also. They should have never unvoted in the first place.

[SirCakez]

I remember checking the activity overview after I got lynched and being baffled that Heat only had like 8 posts and hadn't been pressured at all.