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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:49 pm

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Shiro case-
In post 172, Hellhound wrote:asking for reasons on an early wagon is already sending up red flags for me, mostly b/c i think in the early game, scum are a lot more likely to feel around and ask for town positions and opinions to be fed to them (as opposed to letting them naturally form on their own)

Shiro's post fits a scum painting but i also think this fits a town-that-hasn't-read-the-thread painting. you're saying that it's more likely to fit a scum narrative but i'm not sure how valid of a point that is.

In post 172, Hellhound wrote:this pinged me something fierce. here i'm feeling like shiro is a lot more concerned w/ ingratiating himself to lane and formulating/peddling this narrative that looks good (but is flimsy and doesn't really stand up to much thought) than actually getting the foundation to intuitive and solid reads going

this one i do agree with but do you think that the sircakes scumread is bad coming from people other than shiro or do you think that the specific way that shiro theorized sircakes interactions was bad? does the quality of the "narrative" affect the read in any way?

here's a flubb isodive
i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this post.
find it also interesting that flubb is "building up" to a cakez vote. i find the timing of the vote as something potentially scum indic but will wait to hear your response. seems like you want to build up a progression without voting until that progression is strong enough so that people won't call you out on that shit. basically you were calling out multiple scummy things that cakez did without placing a vote. why did you do that?
In post 146, Flubbernugget wrote:I also have Hellhound for scum right now, but I could easily see that changing within the next 24-48 hours

you gonna explain this?
In post 174, Flubbernugget wrote:low-key noting I didn't have to vote to get the game out of rvs B-)

don't like this post

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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:52 pm

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sircakez wagon is probably a red herring
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:58 pm

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In post 175, Specter Deflectors wrote:here's a flubb isodive
138 i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this post.
find it also interesting that flubb is "building up" to a cakez vote. i find the timing of the vote as something potentially scum indic but will wait to hear your response. seems like you want to build up a progression without voting until that progression is strong enough so that people won't call you out on that shit. basically you were calling out multiple scummy things that cakez did without placing a vote. why did you do that?

Check the timestamps between that "post progression." There is no time for people to respond to the progression for me to be called out on anything. I read the thread, respond to anything I see that I feel needs a response, and vote when I've finished reading.

Can you explain to me how a typical quotewall case that sits in one post is syntactically different from this? I assume you wouldn't call that "building up" to a vote.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:58 pm

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In post 175, Specter Deflectors wrote:you gonna explain this?

no
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:59 pm

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"An American monkey, after getting drunk on brandy, would never touch it again, and thus is much wiser than most men."
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VOTECOUNT 1.1

SirCakez (5):
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Spoiler: Antimutagen
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:02 pm

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In post 175, Specter Deflectors wrote:Shiro's post fits a scum painting but i also think this fits a town-that-hasn't-read-the-thread painting. you're saying that it's more likely to fit a scum narrative but i'm not sure how valid of a point that is.

if you don't know why are you saying anything

ok, let's get this out of the way
"[insert any action or "tell" here] can be done BY BOTH TOWN AND SCUM"

i'm not really sure what your point here is besides taking a crap on me

In post 175, Specter Deflectors wrote:this one i do agree with but do you think that the sircakes scumread is bad coming from people other than shiro or do you think that the specific way that shiro theorized sircakes interactions was bad? does the quality of the "narrative" affect the read in any way?


ehhhhhhhhhhhhh, i don't have a particular problem w/ the way anyone else is pushing sircakez i just dont think it's very compelling or very good or any of them do a good job in explaining the case in a cogent way

this also really isn't something you can dissect down to the nth degree. you kind of either see it or you don't. yeah, the whole "look at teh busssss" angle is pretty strained.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:03 pm

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In post 176, Hellhound wrote:sircakez wagon is probably a red herring

distracting from what, exactly?
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:06 pm

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In post 76, Specter Deflectors wrote:
In post 6, Apricity wrote:VOTE: Specter

Hi Errant! And someone else idk :P

Oh, you should at least know my name.
VOTE: Apricity
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:06 pm

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In post 150, SirCakez wrote:Heat wagon was RVS though. I took Persivul's vote as trying to start a serious wagon on Flubber, then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber. Then people all got on my balls. That was my train of thought.
And the last time I played with Flubber and he actually tried he was scum so :/

@Hellhound

Sircakez completely ignored how rash the timing of his change of vote was in this post. Do you think that's something town would do?
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:07 pm

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Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 176, Hellhound wrote:sircakez wagon is probably a red herring

distracting from what, exactly?


i'm gonna' let you think about it overnight. it's your homework.

if you're still confused tomorrow, let me know and i'll give you a hint i guess
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:07 pm

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In post 91, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:Nah, Flubber setup specc'ing reminds me of town-Flubber.
What was the game that you made that chart in, Flubber?
At least, I'm pretty sure you were town in that one.


Link?
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:07 pm

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In post 183, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 150, SirCakez wrote:Heat wagon was RVS though. I took Persivul's vote as trying to start a serious wagon on Flubber, then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber. Then people all got on my balls. That was my train of thought.
And the last time I played with Flubber and he actually tried he was scum so :/

@Hellhound

Sircakez completely ignored how rash the timing of his change of vote was in this post. Do you think that's something town would do?


yes
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:11 pm

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why
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:11 pm

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In post 130, Iecerint wrote:As of page two, would lynch Persivul or Hellhound, not both, processing....


Why though?
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:12 pm

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because you still haven't said why [whatever it is you said] -------> scum

you just kind of said it
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:12 pm

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In post 171, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 136, Edgar Allan Pro wrote:Persevul may be my choice for a lynch today. So far, I feel like he is over-explaining.


how is he over explaining? he's made maybe like 3 content posts and all of those were succinct votes and reasons for those votes.

Actually, I think it is only that really made me feel like that. I was looking at him because also voted for Heat (as did Hellhound) and he made a lot of filler posts. Looking at his ISO though, you are right; my gut feeling about his over-explaining was misplaced.

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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:13 pm

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I'm reading the Cakez thingy now. I want to vote him; those 2 posts were pretty bad, but the last time he did super scummy things and I deathtunneled him he was actually town. So idk if this is the same sort of thing.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:14 pm

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Hellhound wrote:because you still haven't said why [whatever it is you said] -------> scum

you just kind of said it
He went from unconvinced by the case on me to convinced in three minutes. Without explanation, that's incredibly dissonant.
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:15 pm

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that's pretty overstated
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:17 pm

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um...

ok
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:18 pm

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In post 191, Apricity wrote:I'm reading the Cakez thingy now. I want to vote him; those 2 posts were pretty bad, but the last time he did super scummy things and I deathtunneled him he was actually town. So idk if this is the same sort of thing.

is it really "super scummy"?

it's not surprising that ppl are pretty fluid w/ their votes/attitudes/beliefs in the early game so...

i don't really even get it
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:18 pm

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In post 194, Flubbernugget wrote:um...

ok

yeah, i don't know where you're getting "convinced"
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:21 pm

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In post 150, SirCakez wrote:then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber.

Are you telling me Cakez shouldn't have recognized this on his own?

That's a tough pill to swallow
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:22 pm

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In post 196, Hellhound wrote:
In post 194, Flubbernugget wrote:um...

ok

yeah, i don't know where you're getting "convinced"

If he wasn't convinced in what persuvial was saying about me, why did he vote me?
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:22 pm

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Hellhound it's not the vote, it's the way he reacted to the votes. Specially the post I actually voted him for.

But Flubb, I also don't agree with the reason you're voting Cakez. He never agreed with a case on you, he just agreed there was no harm in pushing you for flimsy reasoning since it's 'early game, whatevs'.
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