Open 632 - Jungle Republic (Game Over)

[Ranger]

Unpopular opinion time: I am the first pro-town player to have posted so far.

VOTE: kelbris.

[Ranger]

kelbris is a werewolf, partnered with someone who hasn't posted yet.
Almost50 is mafia with knightmare, with their partner being a third player who hasn't posted yet.

[Ranger]

Limiting your lists to only those who have posted so far?

Pfft, amateur.

Watch closely and see how a

real

professional does it.

{Golden Robster}
{SnarkySnowman}
{Kop}
{KainTepes, Reubrus Swagrid}
{shotty, hasta_la_pasta}
{grapes}
{Almost50}
{kelbris | knightmare}

This

is listing.

[Ranger]

I assume you're not being serious atm

The closer a player is to the middle, yeah.

But the top/bottom three tiers? All seven of those names, dead serious.

Any guesses as to why?

[Ranger]

You seriously think you've nailed 3/5 scum in this game from 6 posts though?

Short version, yes.
Long version, no, of course not. I always expect to be wrong especially about this early stuff, but I'd make no progress if I

assumed

I was wrong. I have serious scumreads of varying strengths, all weak, from the posts you, Almost50, and kelbris have made, so I will pursue them until I have reason not to, e.g. the read changing.

On that note: my townreads are

much

easier to say yes on: the Golden Robster and SnarkySnowman townreads will not be going away; they're both town.

[Ranger]

<Turn Sarcasm on> How long before 'I die pretty much night one' from Ranger <Turn Sarcasm off>

Well if I do my job right, then that

is

the result which'll happen.

Or N2, but eh. You've got your answer; just until 23!

[Ranger]

Is this based on meta?

Well, I

do

have a few games with both, but actually, no. I tend not to actively use meta like that. (Meta would actually make me a bit weary of Golden Robster, but because I don't have enough experience with him, I put absolutely zero trust into said meta.) It's just that Golden Robster's playing a strong town game and very obviously so, and SnarkySnowman is also giving strong town vibes.

{Golden Robster}
{SnarkySnowman, Kop}
{KainTepes, Reubrus Swagrid}
{shotty, hasta_la_pasta}
{Almost50}
{grapes | }
{kelbris | knightmare}

The divide even among empty space indicates factions:
grapes/kelbris cannot be paired with knightmare.
I'm not ready to make that same call on Almost50.

[Ranger]

Is this a WW claim I see?

Nah, I'm a werewolf's bane.

{Golden Robster}
{SnarkySnowman, Kop}
{shotty}
{KainTepes, Reubrus Swagrid}
{hasta_la_pasta}
{Almost50}
{grapes | }
{kelbris | knightmare}

The shotty wagon is filled with scum, the knightmare wagon had some scum on it but was also ON scum.

[Ranger]

Quick ranger why aren't you scum.

Because the mod gave me a town role PM.

[Ranger]

Ranger, just clarification, why is Kop town again?

Mostly gut, a little bit of feeling that I may have an idea for Kop's game, plus a side of not liking the suspicion on him. Not as strong a townread as you (and in hindsight, maybe not as strong as SnarkySnowman), but it's enough that I'm fairly certain he's town. Enough where I don't want to pursue him at this time at the very least.

{Golden Robster}
{SnarkySnowman}
{Kop, shotty}
{KainTepes}
{Reubrus Swagrid}
{hasta_la_pasta}
{Almost50}
{grapes | }
{kelbris | knightmare}

[Ranger]

As far as grapes, why do you have him as a scumread?

Opposite of Kop, honestly: mostly gut, maybe also some meta, plus a side of not being fond of his pushes. Not strongly enough that I'd want to push for his lynch, though.

[Ranger]

Let's be serious here.. WHY do you ALWAYS start with me as a scum read?

Convenience?

[Ranger]

{Golden Robster}
{SnarkySnowman}
{Kop, shotty}
{KainTepes, Almost50}
{hasta_la_pasta}
{Reubrus Swagrid}
{grapes | }
{kelbris | Not_Mafia}

[Ranger]

Have we even played an actual game together before?

Hey, I

did

say "maybe"!

{Golden Robster}
{SnarkySnowman}
{Kop, shotty}
{KainTepes, Almost50}
{grapes}
{hasta_la_pasta}
{Reubrus Swagrid}
{kelbris | Not_Mafia}

[Ranger]

It sounds like you're just shooting from the hip.

Shooting from the hip's a fast way to enter into a gunfight, catches opponents off-guard, can even sometimes hit 'em. As long as you don't run out of bullets, nothing stops you from, after hipgunning, extending the elbow out and looking down the sights for precision.

So, yes, explicitly.

[Ranger]

It's also a quick way to kill an innocent bystander.

If you continued hipgunning blindly, sure, but that's why after some initial hipgunning, you start to make more aimed, deliberate shots.

(I really like this metaphor, by the way. Great explanation of how games tend to go.)

[Ranger]

So.

Nothing's changed in my reads.

[Ranger]

Still nothing worth responding to.

This game feels stalled.

We, uh, kinda need to pick things up.

[Ranger]

How about kelbris' push on you? I don't think it's justified personally, but I'm not sure it's scummy either.

It's just not noteworthy. I could respond to put kelbris at ease, I suppose, but it changes nothing. kelbris would make that push as town, as a werewolf, and as a mafiate. The way he pushed it makes me lean away from town, and my

guess

has been on werewolf the entire time, but I was already leaning that way. Thus, nothing having changed.

[Ranger]

Goes without saying,

V/LA over weekend

for Easter.

Nothing lynch em both

This is accurate.

[Ranger]

Honestly; I very much like Mario's entrance to the game.

Uh-huh.

I remain unimpressed.

[Ranger]

I'm not townreading Almost50 strongly enough to fight the wagon on him, but I'm sure not gonna join it.

[Ranger]

Every wagon which is actually a wagon sucks.

VOTE: Not_Mafia.

[Ranger]

ranger explain why you think the other two wagons suck?

Because I'm almost positive shotty is town, and I'm not feeling Almost50 as scum anymore.

[Ranger]

{Golden Robster}
{SnarkySnowman}
{grapes}
{Kop, shotty}
{Almost50}
{hasta_la_pasta, KainTepes}
{Reubrus Swagrid}
{kelbris | Not_Mafia}

[Ranger]

Almost positively town is the 4th tier in your reads?

Yep! Really speaks volume as to what the tiers above it are, then, now, doesn't it? ;)

VOTE: kelbris.

[Ranger]

No, it's a scum kelbris.