NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[Xkfyu]

You do realize that there is a massive flaw there, right?

The one where you still can't recognize that I'm town?

I can still hope, can't I?

[Xkfyu]

Yep if scum cobbler no kills

I jail him the next time; he gets lynched, flips town

And then I jail RC and lynch him if it's down to me, aj and RC

Ok. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence. I just wanted to make sure you've thought it through.

VOTE: Masquerade

[Xkfyu]

Let's get this done then. I see no reason to prolong this game any more than it already has.

[Xkfyu]

Well, make up your mind lol.

[Xkfyu]

This thread is still open?

[Xkfyu]

Hey Robster, I didn't think about this earlier, but I suppose scum could also take a shot at RC to remove his BP, and still make it look like there was no kill.

[Xkfyu]

Still gain a mislynch. Still autowin.

I know. Just trying to cover all bases.

[Xkfyu]

You ready to hammer, RC?

[Xkfyu]

Well, there you go.

Who'd you actually jail, Robster?

[Xkfyu]

Well, even if this is a scum play by you, there isn't a damn thing I can do about it anyways, so I'm just going to ignore that possibility.

VOTE: Cobblerfone

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE: Cobblerfone

I'll unvote. What's on your mind?

[Xkfyu]

But if Aj was Ascetic, then being "confirmed town," then wouldn't he have just killed Robster? That would have made it look like Robster jailed Cobblerfone, and that either you or I had killed him, leading to a lynch of one of us, which would have given him the win.

[Xkfyu]

Robster isn't dead.

[Xkfyu]

That's a pretty big difference.

[Xkfyu]

Either way, he's 'confirmed town' and there's a non-empty subset of non-confirmed players such that we can lynch non-confirmed players and win.

Right, and Cobbler is in that subset.

Also by no killing it makes us think along the lines of jailkeeper targets being confirmed.

Yeah but it would only work for one lynch, Cobbler's. If he flipped town, then we would no longer think along those lines.

[Xkfyu]

I don't like my reasons for townreading you either tbh.

Dude, why do you always seem to get cold feet when we're about to lynch scum? This is the exact reason why I haven't been able to trust the this entire game.

[Xkfyu]

Dude, why do you always seem to get cold feet when we're about to lynch scum? This is the exact reason why I haven't been able to trust the this entire game.

Do you have the brain of a fucking goat?
Either Cobbler is scum, in which case I'm town anyway, or I am scum, in which case Cobbler is town.
Your 'conscientious objection' has no basis in reality.

Right.

VOTE: Cobblerfone

[Xkfyu]

Not interested. Thanks.

[Xkfyu]

I'm reluctant to read through the 800 post ISO of XK but that looks like next step.

Oh good, am I finally going to get that massive scum case brought against me that you promised so long ago?

[Xkfyu]

I. Can't. Wait.

[Xkfyu]

Why would you expect Aj to be dead?

[Xkfyu]

If Cobbler is scum he absolutely can't night kill through jailkeep. 100%.

Right. 100%

I suggest we lynch XK, jail Cobbler, lynch AJ if no kill, jail cobbler, and lynch cobbler on the final day.

Wrong. 100%

If you are really that concerned about Aj being Ascetic, then you should want to lynch him today, instead of me. That would be the only way to be sure.

[Xkfyu]

Either you or him could be ascetic/1-shot strongman.

If I lynch AJ first and you are the scum and kill Robster, Cobbler has made it clear that he's townreading you more than him.
If I lynch you first and AJ is the scum and kills Robster, Cobbler is scumreading AJ anyway so I don't have to worry about a protracted fight.

I mean it all comes down to the fact that somehow people are still scumreading me. Otherwise I wouldn't give a shit what order we lynch people in.

When you say "people," you really mean me, right? Because I'm really the only one left that still thinks that you could possibly be scum.

The only way Aj is scum is if he is Ascetic, and there aren't two scum left, according to you. So, if Aj is Ascetic, and we lynch him, then we win. Otherwise, it's just Cobbler.

[Xkfyu]

Opposed to what idea? Lynching Aj?

[Xkfyu]

Lynching you --> jailing cobbler ---> lynching aj -----> jailing cobbler ----> lynching cobbler

No. Clearly I am opposed to that.

[Xkfyu]

That's a good point about AJ no killing being an odd choice.

I'm reluctant to read through the 800 post ISO of XK but that looks like next step.

Why not just lynch cobbler, be done with the game and if we're wrong with this, you fucking replace your jail on cobbler with xk and repeat?

I'm not wasting my fucking time with this.

This.

There is no reason to lynch anyone but Cobbler at this point.

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: Xkfyu

Let's start here.

That hasn't worked out well for you so far.

[Xkfyu]

You left mine out. I'm not worried about you.

[Xkfyu]

Lynching you --> jailing cobbler ---> lynching aj -----> jailing cobbler ----> lynching cobbler

Robster, you are being played. What happens if RC is scum in that scenario?

Why would RC want to keep lynching someone other than Cobbler if you keep jailing Cobbler and the NK keeps coming up empty?

[Xkfyu]

Oh, so you are the last scum.

I'm not.

[Xkfyu]

How'd you fair with my ISO, RC?

[Xkfyu]

Figures

[Xkfyu]

Was wondering when you were going to bring that up.

[Xkfyu]

I'm not, because it doesn't.

[Xkfyu]

No, it doesn't.

The same result can be achieved by lynching Cobbler today, and waiting to lynch me last.

[Xkfyu]

Unress u r le 1-shot strongman or whatnot.

and planning to push a lynch on me on the grounds that 'WELL AJ AND I HAVE BOTH BEEN JAILED THO SO'.

Why would you still be alive if I, or Aj, had a strongman ability? One of us could have easily killed you a long time ago.

[Xkfyu]

I mean most people in the game were scumreading Almost50.
The only really notable things about Almost50's end of the game was that he was aiding me in the PK lynch, that he townread me to fuck, and that he was scumreading Xkfyu.
So if scum wanted to push a lynch on me or weaken my control over the game he's the obvious night kill.
If scum was me, not so much.

No one was scumreading Almost, except me and pisskop, and pisskop's was fake.

[Xkfyu]

Ascetic applies and is more likely. Strongman was merely an example.

Fine, Now that you've got your story straight, let's lynch Cobbler, jail me, and if there is a kill, then you can lynch me.

[Xkfyu]

What if AJ is scum?

So no.

We're back to that again?

If Aj is scum, then he has to be Ascetic. That's a given.

But you are trying to push MY lynch because of the slight possibility that I'm Ascetic? Your reasoning just isn't adding up.

[Xkfyu]

I'm trying to push your lynch because if Cobbler is scum he's obviously NOT ascetic.

So he's not a threat.

But if Aj is scum, he obviously IS ascetic. You have no reason to push my lynch, other than to get me out of the way.

[Xkfyu]

Because I think you could easily be ascetic scum.

No. You don't.

[Xkfyu]

If AJ can be ascetic scum, you can be ascetic scum.

CObbler isn't ascetic scum because if he was ascetic scum he'd have shot last night.

And if anyone else was scum, then they would have shot Robster last night.

[Xkfyu]

If YOU had shot Robster that leaves you in a situation with

Aj and Cobbler as Jailkeeper innos
Myself as widely townread and PR
and you.

So no, you wouldn't.

AJ probably owuld though.

Dude, you are not bulletproof. Come off it. If you were, you would have claimed something better just so you COULD draw the NK. All you've done is planted an excuse as to why you haven't been NKed.

[Xkfyu]

Lol

[Xkfyu]

Go ahead and case me, then.

[Xkfyu]

I don't need to case you.
That's scum rxn through and through.
I love how you have the ego to think that after I ripped through SRMP and PK that I couldn't do the same to you.
I haven't because I don't see the point.
You seem to think that your scumgame is so good. It's not. Bye.

You haven't, because you aren't good enough to case me when you know there isn't one.

[Xkfyu]

Go ahead big shot. Give it a go.

[Xkfyu]

Actually, it's exactly how you say it because the only way possible for there not to be a scum case on me is if I'm not scum. I'm not. Therefore, I know that there is no case.

And you certainly don't want to case me, because then, you know I'll case you, and you certainly don't want that.

So you wanna do this, or what?

[Xkfyu]

Robster, will you please ask RC to case me?

[Xkfyu]

Case me man.

You're fucking weaksauce.

You pose about as much of a threat to me as the kleenex that I just blew my nose in.

You first. Don't be scared. I've been waiting for your case on me for a long time now.

[Xkfyu]

we're lynching cobbler and jailing xk if for whatever reason we're wrong. Xk isn't dying here.

You have no say.

What's wrong? You don't want Cobbler to flip scum, and the game to not end, so that everyone knows that there is a 5th scum out there?

[Xkfyu]

Laugh it up all you want, and then you go make a case on me.

[Xkfyu]

And you have no case on me.

[Xkfyu]

Exactly what I figured. You are nothing but empty threats.

[Xkfyu]

Much much emptier. All you are capable of is insulting me.

[Xkfyu]

I'm sure you are.

[Xkfyu]

You're clearly full of shit, so that's fine.

[Xkfyu]

At least you're not denying it.

[Xkfyu]

By now, you surely have realized that your insults mean nothing to me. Therefore, I have to assume that you continue to insult me only for your own self-gratification.

[Xkfyu]

Robster, no matter which order you lynch me, Aj, and Cobbler in, it ends in a town win, as long as you and RC are both town. That's a fact.

There is no reason whatsover to not lynch Cobbler today, since you know that he is, by far, the best chance out of the 3 of us to be scum.

No, I'm not sure that he's buddies with Cobbler. Hell, I don't even necessarily think it's likely. But you can't tell me that you can just ignore the way RC pushed for the lynches of SRMP and pisskop, only to attempt to derail the wagons right after. Now, after agreeing on a plan to jail Cobbler and lynch him if there is no NK, and you basically confirming that he is scum, RC is, once again, trying to move the lynch somewhere else.

Lynching Cobbler is the only play here. If he flips scum, which he very likely will, then the game is probably over and we win. However, I'm not willing to take the chance that they ARE buddies because, in that case, lynching me means we lose.

If the game is not over after we lynch Cobbler, then you decide on whether you want to jail me or RC. Don't announce it in the thread. Don't hint at it. Just decide during the night and tell us in D8.

[Xkfyu]

Yes

[Xkfyu]

You keep referring to other games and other people, as if they have any bearing on this game.

Stop trying to use invalid points to convince people to do something.

[Xkfyu]

wrong.

if AJ or you are ascetic we will be forced to make a decision of which of you two we want to lynch tomorrow.

Actually, that sounds like you are already planning on Cobbler flipping scum and you have your mind already set on who the next lynch will be.

No. If Cobbler flips scum, and this game is not over, then there is no way you don't get lynched tomorrow.

[Xkfyu]

lol.

cobbler flipping scum and the game not ending is an impossibility.

I hope you're right.

[Xkfyu]

No matter how many times you say it, it's never going to be true.

[Xkfyu]

RC, why are you so concerned about Robster stating who he is going to jail at night?

[Xkfyu]

For Xkfyu's point of view, the clear answer is that Cobbler would be semi cleared, as would you, forcing him into a 1v1 with me as the 'non cleared' players that he's obviously going to lose.
Even if he's not ascetic by no killing tonight and no killing tomorrow he introduces WIFOM as to whether scum is no killing or whether the scum is jailed. Likely to lose still? Yes, but it makes more sense than killing.

For you to be scum you would have had to play horribly suboptimally last night: I agree.

You just can't resist making yourself feel better about yourself by attempting to belittle others, can you?

I've been trying to get you to 1v1 me all day. You're the one who keeps dodging.

[Xkfyu]

I pulled everyone away from it because it's mathematically suboptimal and pushed a lynch on you instead.

Completely, and utterly untrue. Even if you and Cobbler are both town, lynching Cobbler and moving the Jailkeep target to me is the optimal play here.

[Xkfyu]

RC, why are you so concerned about Robster stating who he is going to jail at night?

[Xkfyu]

No, it's not.
If one of you is ascetic they can take advantage of the mislynch.
Cobbler is not ascetic and therefore can't take advantage of any mislynches.

Are you the ascetic? Be honest.

[Xkfyu]

RC, why are you so concerned about Robster stating who he is going to jail at night?

*facepalm*

Here, allow me to tell you why I don't give a shit about who Robster targets, if this game isn't over after we lynch Cobbler.

See, I can't kill anyone. Nor can I stop the kill of anyone. Nor can I do anything else during the night. So, targeting me, targeting you, targeting Aj again, it just doesn't matter to me. And no matter who Robster says that he's going to target, there will undoubtedly be some WIFOM in the following day that can be spun about who he actually targeted, if he winds up dead. Robster giving away his target allows scum to choose the optimum night action get them through the following day. So, the only chance that we have for Robster to clear anyone tomorrow is if he doesn't state his target, and he lives.

[Xkfyu]

Robster, hurry your ass up and lynch this clown.

This is exactly the problem. You claim to be so worried about an ascetic role, but you want to lynch me over Aj. At least there is a little spec of something that suggests that Aj could be ascetic. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that I'm scum, let alone ascetic.

[Xkfyu]

No, but it does give you claim space to night kill him and either say 'HEY CLEARLY I WASN'T TARGETED' or if role blocked to say 'YEAH BUT SCUM COULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THEY'D BE TARGETED SO THEY NKED'

Yep, and if he states that he is targeting me or Aj, you can kill him and then you're just going to say that we're ascetic. You could not possibly be more transparent.

[Xkfyu]

Umm.

Everything in this game suggests that you could be scum.

Show me.

[Xkfyu]

Not a chance, no matter your alignment.

[Xkfyu]

........

Your paranoia is the most useless thing I've ever seen.

He's not paranoid. He doesn't really think I'm scum. He just wants to lynch me so that he can say that he did. I've hurt his feelings and lynching me will make him feel better, for some reason.

[Xkfyu]

XK is not paranoia.

I'm like 55-40-5 on Cobbler > Xk > You

I want XK first.

This is exactly the problem. You claim to be so worried about an ascetic role, but you want to lynch me over Aj. At least there is a little spec of something that suggests that Aj could be ascetic. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that I'm scum, let alone ascetic.

Your logic just plain awful

[Xkfyu]

Robster, if you lynch me, this game is over. Lynch the confirmed scum first, and we'll go from there.

[Xkfyu]

Wow

[Xkfyu]

You know I'm not.

[Xkfyu]

Well, you're going to get it, regardless. I just hope you're town.

[Xkfyu]

There's a billion better way that you could have played this, even if you are town.

[Xkfyu]

Right. Blame everyone else. I'd expect nothing else from you.

[Xkfyu]

Thanks for hosting the game Fragger. I really enjoyed it.

[Xkfyu]

Now Now, let's bring it back to THIS game.

Why start now?