New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Welcome to the jungle baby!

VOTE: MafiaTurtle

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Why would you vote in your first post without seeing anything scummy?

How else would you get the game started?

VOTE: Killthestory

See? It's fun!

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Kickandgiggle, what do you think about jam and the wagon on him?

Feel free to make it KAAG, save the old keyboard.

Someone's gotta get wagoned early, may as well have been him. But Ness is now scumming the place up, so we need a new one.

Also before I forget this doesn't seem to be serving much of any purpose at the moment.

UNVOTE:

BZZZZ. Wrong.

VOTE: N e s s

[KickAssAndGiggle]

It's RVS, not RUS.

More votes on Ness please.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ness,

That was the answer to:

Why is that wrong?

Did you ask another question, in between all the posting about how D1 has hardly any merit?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I'm pushing him for saying there's no merit on D1, or even "early D1".

His unvote is just a symptom of that attitude and I was too lazy to go back for quotes.

Join me? Get in on the ground floor of a scum wagon!

[KickAssAndGiggle]

OK Ness, let's question:

If you are comfortable in your towniness, and you think early D1 isn't meritorious, why have you made more posts responding to others' position on you than anyone else, and quoted everything back at them?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

OK Ness, let's question:

If you are comfortable in your towniness, and you think early D1 isn't meritorious, why have you made more posts responding to others' position on you than anyone else, and quoted everything back at them?

I don't know how to explain this to you, maybe its just the way you've worded this. If you could quote somethings i've said on this issue to help me understand, that would be beneficial for me and you.

You can't look at your own ISO, see you have the highest post count in "un-meritorious early D1" and see that every time someone mentions you, you quote it back at them?

Why are you pretending not to understand this?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ness, I know you've played a Newbie and I know your IC was Drixx, so you've been well taught how things work here.

Your comments on the merits of D1 look like nervous-scum. And that's why early D1 is useful.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Slandaar,

What reason is there not to have an RVS vote on when it's 11 to lynch?

Reactions to RVS votes, and the way the RVS reasons are phrased, is the way I see most games move into the proper nitty-gritty. How would you move the game forward, if you disagree?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I would open my kimono for this guy! ^^

Im wondering if we're just going to continue to let Robster shit post the entire game & get a free pass for it.

Annoying it may be but I don't find it scummy.

Still more votes needed on Ness please.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Slandaar,

What reason is there not to have an RVS vote on when it's 11 to lynch?

The point is: I see nothing wrong with unvoting when the vote is pointless. That said you didn't answer the question; What reason is there to have an RVS vote at the point he unvoted? (when it clearly achieved nothing).

I don't mind the unvoting so much, but there were plenty of possible people who could have taken a vote. Pick a reason and commit. I think people should take positions early so they can be challenged on them. Town's job is to use their vote to sort.

Reactions to RVS votes, and the way the RVS reasons are phrased, is the way I see most games move into the proper nitty-gritty. How would you move the game forward, if you disagree?

Do I disagree that most games start with RVS? no.

RVS was short in this game. Jam effectively ended it with his post which did not contain a vote amusingly.

What has this got to do with anything?

I don't even remotely agree Jam ended it at that point. In no scenario is RVS over when multiple people haven't even posted.

When will you commit to a single read? Here's two for you from me:

Golden Robster: town-lean, doesn't care how he comes across, posting what he darn well chooses
Ness: scum-lean, way too defensive, quotes back the weakest attacks and picks at them

Your turn.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Best way to get a discussion going.

Note: other opinions are available.

Vote Ness with us?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

How about the fact that Ness is still logged in 4 hours after wanting V/LA due to school work?

I'm sure it's perfectly innocent.

In other news,

more votes are requested on the Ness wagon.

We'll get some non-defensive posts if it's the last thing we do!

In other other news, quite liking killthestory for town.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I suppose I'll stop pushing that slot until Reubus gets involved.

(Plus I checked his (Ness) meta and the huge majority of his posts are quote-backs even when he was town in a micro...ho-hum)

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Town-leans: GR, Killthestory, Egg, SS
Scum-leans: Ness/Reubus (for now)
Slight scum-reads: Jam

Too many nulls, get involved! Kop, Ilikebugs and Snarky in particular.

Slight scumread for GR, and KA&G

Leave me aside: what's wrong with GR? He posts what he likes...seems towny to me.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Town-leans: GR, Killthestory, Egg, SS
Scum-leans: Ness/Reubus (for now)
Slight scum-reads: Jam

Too many nulls, get involved! Kop, Ilikebugs and Snarky in particular.

Slight scumread for GR, and KA&G

Leave me aside: what's wrong with GR? He posts what he likes...seems towny to me.

KAAG what's your read on me?

Also our reads are quite opposite. I need to ISO some people & jump some life back into this game.

I haven't made up my mind. I did note that you thought GR was scum for, as I see it, "shitposting" and I just can't see how dicking about early is somehow alignment indicative. Have I missed where you give a better reason?

You read Killthestory's own version of shitposting as fake...again, I see it more as "posts whatever he likes" which kinda feels town. SS made two long analysis that I agree on (i.e. you are Null/unclear, Ness is a scum-lean) and I just like Egg's tone.

Is there a reason why you are particularly interested in how I read you?

Kickass, if bugs is scum why do you think he claimed VT? I realize you are nullreading him but I think he's town who didn't realize he shouldn't have been asked for a claim. Do you think there's a chance he faked that?

It's either genuine, or fake. No idea. But I do know that I'm not going to town-read someone on 4 one-line posts, totaling (exactly) 28 words.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

(Checks in)

(Lurkers still lurking)

(Checks out)

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Id also like to know why I was asked to claim and why people were on jam before?

Well here's the post:

You should tell us what role you are though, so we can make the list and deduce who is sucm from it

I

think

the answer to your first question is "you got trolled". Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ilikebugs, when will you start actually scum hunting? As opposed to just saying things like:

Hey guys sorry that I haven't been talking that much, it's just because when each day I have to look through 3 new pages there is not much I can add to it.

In terms of why I claimed d1, it's because I was asked to and if I didn't claim that would either mean I could be seen as mafia or as a power role that mafia would like to take out first.

How about making some reads? It's not as if there's a firm consensus, so you could add to it, by letting us know your opinion.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ummm... you haven't played with me in a really long time Egg. I've moved beyond feeling like I have to be perfectly honest and moral and such in mafia. It's a game that by its very nature encourages people to lie, regardless of alignment.

Your meta on me is out of date. Check me out in Mafiaception for recent town, and I'll be glad to link you to my most recent couple scum wins.

I'm not the Drixx you remember from like a year ago.

I can confirm, Drixx lies through his teeth as scum.

Oh hi Drixx, how's it hanging?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Still feeling pretty good about GR, Killthestory, Egg, SS for town. Although GR could do with pulling his head out of his ass.

Iraonavp is probably town too. And Slandaar.

Still leaning scum on Ness/Reubus slot and Jam. Starting to feel bad vibes from Creature, why are you ignoring Egg's question?

pisskop and Fraggernaut are both null despite posting plenty: I have no clue how to read either of them. SirCakez looks exactly as he did last time I played with him (Open 623), when I thought he was scum but he was actually town. Jury's out there. Performer sounds straightforward but I disagree with some of his posts (i.e. post 292, 298).

Other slots null due to lack of content.

UNVOTE: Reubus
VOTE: Creature

Feels useful.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

There was nothing opportunistic about my vote Creature.

Creature:

Creature, how many games have you played? Do you prefer being town or scum? Does being scum make you feel more nervous or confident (or if you've never been scum, which do you think would be true?.

Creature. Creature. Hey Creature. Yeah, you

.-.

You dodged that question, not once but twice.

Starting to feel bad vibes from Creature, why are you ignoring Egg's question?

The only reason you're scum reading me is because I didn't answer his question soon?

I said I got bad vibes, did I say I was scum-reading you? Vote was for motivation.

VOTE: Drixx

Two stones, one scum

Yeah...I know you've clarified this, but...LOLWUT??!?!?

If you notice, SirCakez is only scum reading easy mislynch targets.

I've never played with Irao or Jam, and you are pinging me constantly so yea those are my scumreads.

VOTE: SirCakez

You were so sure on Drixx that your vote lasted a full 23 minutes. And you are calling OTHERS opportunistic?

If you notice, SirCakez is only scum reading easy mislynch targets.

Are you an easy mislynch target? If yes, is that someone other than your own fault?

Scum reads: SirCakez, GuyFawkes, Kop, KAAG and Drixx.

Yeah...no. GuyFawkes/Kop have little content, KAAG wasn't opportunistic, Drixx didn't claim survivor. Only SirCakez is even vaguely credible.

Got any town-reads for us?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

What do you disagree with about my 292 ?
From my 25+ games I've played on and offsite, as well as a few moderated games of varying capacity - I believe day 1 lynch means we have less of a chance of mislynching town (and possibly town PR). This means we have town PRs going to work overnight and more town remaining, to help us in the fight against scum. This of course, is just a general theory I hold.

No Lynch on D1 = scum gets to choose first person to leave the game. Also, it's in town's interest to keep an odd number in the game...of course, vigs/sks etc can muddy the waters here, but generally I don't find townies advocating no lynch on D1 very often at all.

As far as "mislynching a PR" goes, that's why announcing L-1 and stating "intent to hammer" are sensible theories.

Can you link me to a "normal" game on-site where town voted No Lynch on D1? (Ideally, not just because deadline expired with no consensus: where they actually voted NL)

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I don't even understand what Ness was trying to accomplish.

A few things I would like some clarity on

I don't understand the Jam wagon or the Creature wagon
Robster doesn't seem scummy to me, he doesn't exactly seem to have any scum merit behind his posting
Creature why are you voting Drixx exactly?

I voted Creature for dodging Egg's question, but I kinda liked his response to me, so...

UNVOTE: Creature

Ness was nailed on scum as far as I was concerned, and if you're not going to catch up a mere 21 pages (of mainly short posts) properly, then:

VOTE: Reubus

[KickAssAndGiggle]

What do you disagree with about my 292 ?
From my 25+ games I've played on and offsite, as well as a few moderated games of varying capacity - I believe day 1 lynch means we have less of a chance of mislynching town (and possibly town PR). This means we have town PRs going to work overnight and more town remaining, to help us in the fight against scum. This of course, is just a general theory I hold.

No Lynch on D1 = scum gets to choose first person to leave the game. Also, it's in town's interest to keep an odd number in the game...of course, vigs/sks etc can muddy the waters here, but generally I don't find townies advocating no lynch on D1 very often at all.

As far as "mislynching a PR" goes, that's why announcing L-1 and stating "intent to hammer" are sensible theories.

Can you link me to a "normal" game on-site where town voted No Lynch on D1? (Ideally, not just because deadline expired with no consensus: where they actually voted NL)

No lynch day one doesn't give us anything. Yes it prevents a mislynch, but going into day 2 is going to be as hard as it was day one.

As for the L-1, Intent to hammer goes without saying.

In the time that I've been playing on here, I've never seen people vote for a no lynch on Day One.

What does this post point too, what's your intentions?

What do you disagree with about my 292?

I was making the same point you did to Performer...

[KickAssAndGiggle]

@mod

- I don't think I ever voted for performer

Every post of yours is pure filler. It was over 2 days since your last "contribution" and this was the best you could do?

At least Snarky has actually stated an opinion on someone: you Mr Fawkes have done literally zilch. (Not to imply that Snarky or indeed Boonskies are excused from their almost zilch either)

Are we tolerating this? Day's half done now.

Regardless, I've came to take your opinion & reads Slandaar with a grain of salt.

It's D1...take everyone's reads with a salt cellar. But I'm town reading Slandaar pretty hard now so I at least think his motives are good.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Unfortunately, I do not endorse any of the wagons on Reubus Swagrid, Creature, or I.

I think you're town iraonavp, but I thought the Ness slot was scum and I don't like the way Reubus has replaced in but done nothing. So what don't you like about that wagon?

Drixx

Since you entered, I see exactly one post that has even an arguable piece of scum-hunting in it (435). Everything else is fluff or defensive. You can add me to the list of people who suspect you. Are you ready to commit to some reads yet?

Fragger

I agree with Egg: a loaded question is nothing to fear if you're town. I can't point to anything specifically you've posted that's scummy but I don't get good vibes from your posts.

Town Leans

Something_Smart, Slandaar, iraonavp, DGB, Performer, Egg, Killthestory, SirCakez

Suspicious

Creature, Jam, ilikebugs, Fragger

Scum Leans

Reubus, Drixx


If you're not listed, I either can't work you out or you've lurked.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

VOTE: KAAG

Why exactly was Ness nailed on scum?

In advance I apologize to town for slacking in the event that I am lynched.

Every single post (or practically) Ness made was quoting back the feeblest little suspicion at the accuser with over-the-top defensiveness.

In fact, I'll make it shorter. The answer is: his ISO.

And then you can add that his replacement hasn't engaged at all, perhaps because he didn't like the color of his PM (I speculate, obviously). I mean, 27 pages and that's all you picked up on? Really?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

@Anyone not voting the wagons please consolidate votes on Creature, Reub , or ira - suggestion of combining votes on the largest wagon , whichever it is right now. We have 5 days remaining, I'd like for us to progress the game further rather than leave it to the last 48 hours to make scrambling choices

^^ This.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

It makes no sense at all that he (Reubus) has barely mentioned the game since replacing, nor committed to a read, said he had no motivation and then softed a VT claim on D1.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Mod: vote count is wrong, ilikebugs is on Reubus

[KickAssAndGiggle]

VOTE: GuyFawkes
This is one of the scum.

Is that based solely on the hammer, or is there more to it? He's another lurk-sack for sure, but so was Reubus.

VOTE: Aristo

Treat me like a total buffoon and explain this please.

Drixx

Caught up yet? Got some reads? Or anything that isn't essentially fluff?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Before placing a vote, i want to reread my notes on this game to make sure of who to best place my vote on. I see slandaar empty voted Aris. Who did he replace again?

Aris replaced Kop.

Is that based solely on the hammer, or is there more to it? He's another lurk-sack for sure, but so was Reubus.

Reubus was fairly active, given how normal active he is, which is very low.
I think that hammer was only provided because everyone else was screaming for it, so thought nobody would shot them down for doing it after the flip.

These are both fair points but they don't explain your vote?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

There's likely one scum in {Drixx, Firebringer}. Neither have provided any reason for voting Guy, who is null as null can be apart from the hammer, both fluff posted their way through D1 and both, but Firebringer especially, replaced suspicious slots.

Considering the slow pace of D1...let's get this rolling:

VOTE: Firebringer

Aristophanes replaced a lurker and then contributed nothing but filler also. Need to see a lot more from that slot today.

I understand the misreading by Fraggernaut in his interactions between himself and iraonavp, and see how that could have happened. But Fraggernaut has been overly defensive, especially when talking to Slandaar, who along with Egg and Something_Smart are my strongest town reads. He could be scum.

Boonskies, jam and ilikebugs have contributed little. Could be scum in that trio also. Snarky also could do more but I get a whiff of town there.

Performer, DGB, Killthestory, Ozgin and iraonavp are fence-town for now.

PEdit: yeah, Performer is using the Gambler's Fallacy on Firebringer, but there's enough signs that he could be scum that it's unnecessary to do so.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Kickass, why one one scum in Firebringer/Drixx? Why not both? Also, since you apparently understand how that was a misread by Frag, maybe you can explainit better than he has?

Sorry, didn't mean to say "If Firebringer is, Drixx isn't" or vice versa. "At least one scum, could be two" is more accurate.

Regarding Fragger's misread, this is the post:

Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig

him

. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

Is DGB addressing Fragger, referring to Reubus when she says

"him"

, or addressing thread, referring to Frag?

Note: I think most people read it "right" but I see why someone could read it wrong.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

EBWOP: "referring to iraonavp"

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Drixx:

My day one, after I replaced in, was meh, at best. It wasn't quite what Egg has been pushing ... but it wasn't all that either.

I'm of the opinion that your D1 was 100% fluff, and so far, there's little improvement on D2.

Something_Smart is trying too hard to live up to his name. I didn't say Guy was scummy in #1032. I said that I voted him to see how people would react. In fact I went out of my way to point out that Guy lacked any substantive content upon which to form a read. He had 14 posts when I made that post, and he has 15 now.

There's almost nothing of substance there.

Pot, this is kettle. Looking a bit black there.

Post by post I get more and more convinced Drixx is scum.

Ilikebugs:

Frag, can you give specific examples of where Drixx's Day 1 was "solid"? If you feel you've done this already, point me in that direction.

Bugs, what is your read on Firebringer and Frag?

On frag, I think that he's town because he brought up a lot of points that I agreed with, like in post 1009.

Firebringer is still a null read and I'd like some reads from him.

I also right now think that Drixx is a slight town read for me.

Egg already asked but I'll repeat: please point out what Drixx has done that is remotely towny?


I like Slandaar's 1055. It's a good case.

Fragger feels

very

defensive. In particular:

Also if at the end of the day you thought I was SO scummy, why did you let the Reubus lynch go through? You never attempted to join along side Ira on my wagon even though there was plenty of opportunity to do so.

Are you suggesting that because Something_Smart didn't leave the main wagon to join a vanity wagon, he couldn't have thought you are scummy? Tenuous logic at best.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Meh.
So looking at Fragger's meta it seems he's always very defensive and as town he usually has that awkward posting style that sounds like scum.
And I really hate Drixx's last few posts.
UNVOTE:

Is too scummy to be scum a thing?

I don't think I've ever seen someone look scummier than Drixx in this game. But he's not an idiot, which leaves me confused.

Drixx, have you accidentally stuffed the idiot ball up your sweater? I'd check if I were you.

VOTE: Aristo

Nice to see you too, Slandarr! Any reason for this right outta the gates D2?

He went into detail in post 1055 and I thought it was quite a good case.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Drixx, although "Both" is also very possible.

Fragger is defensive, but Drixx is defensive and dismissive. I don't quite understand why he brings up some past game where he happened to be town to draw comparisons from either.

The interaction between him and Firebringer was weird too: looked like possible scum-theater.

The only real push Fragger has made is on someone I feel is likely town (iraonavp). There's "bad" reads and then their are "inexplicable" reads. It's kind of inexplicable. Also Fragger apparently liked Drixx on D1, and has reiterated that on D2. As I find that extra inexplicable...maybe I should in fact revise my original answer to simply "Both".

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I'm torn on Drixx. I'm also torn on Firebringer.

There's a slot that's bugging the hell out of me now though, so...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GuyFawkes

(And before anyone asks why, the answer is "his ISO"...which will only takes 30 seconds to read).

How about doing something Mr Fawkes?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I've played with scum Drixx (that single Newbie defeat he alluded to...I inflicted it), and he was far more conciliatory as scum. His ISO here is terrible, but it's nothing like the Drixx in that game. I've ummed and ahhd about it, but for now I'm waiting on his promised reads before reconsidering him.

Regarding Guy, 18 posts total, 10 of which are unarguably fluff. Flying under the radar is an understatement: he's a stealth bomber! I agree that he is hard to read: if he won't correct that by himself then we can encourage him.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Kickass, you called Drixx the scummiest you've ever seen and a page later said you were torn on him. If he's that scummy, shouldn't you want him turbolynched? In your past game with him, was he ever under heavy pressure? That simple fact can drastically alter someone's play. Also, based on your reasoning for voting Guy, I have to ask: what is your read on Snark?

I'm torn on Drixx because he HAS got one of the scummiest ISOs I've ever seen and yet I know he's a smart chap. I'm finding it unlikely scum Drixx acts like this,

very

unlikely. If you want me to call it gut, then OK: my gut says to be patient there and wait for his reads.

Snarky's ISO is unacceptably short but contains less fluff posting. If Guy wasn't in the game, I'd probably be voting there for the same reason.

If someone has a better solution to getting people who won't post significantly to start doing so other than voting them, clue me in please.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

At times, especially once his partner died.

I didn't decide rashly here, I have considered it, and if his reads/further contributions are boohickey, I'll revisit, have no fear there.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

When my in-laws drive away I hope to find myself not lynched already, because I totally actually have some notes and investment in the game already. If you all could restrain yourselves for a day and a half and wait and see, that would be pretty cool. If not; that's life. (Or death, as it were).

We've restrained ourselves. So...where is it?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I read that.

Where was I supposed to look? I checked your posts in your profile, you weren't busy elsewhere on site from what I could see.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

VOTE: Drixx

More fluff, little contribution to the game, hard to find town motivation in any post. Promised his notes 5 days ago, seen nothing. Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice etc.

I see the cases on Fragger and Aristo but they're just not as compelling to me as this one is now.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Please note all the people using very lame reasons to justify voting me. For each person the question is simple:

Are they scum jumping onto an easy mislynch?

OR

Are they just really bad town who can't think or reason well?

Yeah, they're the only two reasons someone might be voting you here.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

When I discussed my experience with his meta, it was a reason NOT to vote him.

But he just keeps on giving more and more reasons:

Some people claim I haven't done any scum hunting, but that's easily contradicted by simply reading my ISO.

I did read your ISO. It did not contradict this.

To quote Homer Simpson: "You take forever to say nothing!"

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Firm town:

Slandaar, Egg, Something_Smart

Lean town:

Killthestory, iraonavp, Performer, DrippingGoofball

Unclear:

SnarkySnowman, Ilikebugs, Yume, Ozgin, KuroiXHF

Lean scum:

Firebringer, Aristophanes, Fraggernaut

Firm scum:

Drixx, GuyFawkes


Drixx: posts a lot of words to do no scum-hunting, keeps imploring us to check his meta, blatant AtE, makes grand promises of "Notes" which haven't appeared, can't seem to grasp how anyone could scum read him for this.

GuyFawkes: literally posts nothing, when asked to interact replies with sarcasm. At least Snarky's posts are generally game related.

Firebringer: replaced an icky slot and hasn't done very much in seriousness, don't understand the "town-bloc" with Aristo. Probably Aristo and him aren't both scum together but I think one of them is.

Aristophanes: like FB, his slot on D1 wasn't great, and again, not much done on D2 to improve matters.

Fraggernaut: overly defensive on D1, gut says he often sounds fake, keeps voting someone I feel is pretty towny.


Snarky's posting style is so easy to fake as scum, I don't get how people can just say "oh he's town". He is unclear, objectively. Same for Ilikebugs really.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

When I discussed my experience with his meta, it was a reason NOT to vote him.

But he just keeps on giving more and more reasons:

Some people claim I haven't done any scum hunting, but that's easily contradicted by simply reading my ISO.

I did read your ISO. It did not contradict this.

To quote Homer Simpson: "You take forever to say nothing!"

Is a contradiction really a reason to vote someone?

I'm unnerved by your confidence, and I'm not sure whether or not it's genuine.

I don't even know what you mean here. Drixx said his ISO contradicts the notion he has done no scum hunting. I disagreed: his ISO shows he has indeed done no (or little) scum-hunting.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Nope, more the pointing out how little you've contributed strategy.

Now THIS is more like the scum Drixx I saw last time we played! I was beginning to worry.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Whatever, your ISO is feeble. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you promise reads after your in-laws left. Nobody made you bring up your medication in thread. Nobody made you keep harping on and on like a boring record about your meta.

My vote stays until you stop looking like scum. I suspect that won't happen.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I really don't understand your issue.

I said: You've done no scum hunting.

He said: my ISO contradicts that fact.

I said: no, it does not contradict that fact.

I don't understand how you can misconstrue that twice?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Meh, I held off voting him:

I've played with scum Drixx (that single Newbie defeat he alluded to...I inflicted it), and he was far more conciliatory as scum. His ISO here is terrible, but it's nothing like the Drixx in that game. I've ummed and ahhd about it, but for now I'm waiting on his promised reads before reconsidering him.

Regarding Guy, 18 posts total, 10 of which are unarguably fluff. Flying under the radar is an understatement: he's a stealth bomber! I agree that he is hard to read: if he won't correct that by himself then we can encourage him.

When my in-laws drive away I hope to find myself not lynched already, because I totally actually have some notes and investment in the game already. If you all could restrain yourselves for a day and a half and wait and see, that would be pretty cool. If not; that's life. (Or death, as it were).

We've restrained ourselves. So...where is it?

He promised his notes and investment 5 days ago:

When my in-laws drive away I hope to find myself not lynched already, because I totally actually have some notes and investment in the game already. If you all could restrain yourselves for a day and a half and wait and see, that would be pretty cool. If not; that's life. (Or death, as it were).

So I'm certain he's my preferred lynch today, but only as certain as any D2 read. Feels like the best vote at the moment for sure.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

My mistake:

He promised his notes and investment

seven

days ago

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Yeah, that post was 7 days ago by my clock.

Temper, temper. You can flail without the language.

Posting fluff is not engaging.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Add buzzwords to lies and you have A+B = Scum.

Let's string em up folks. Scum can't win 1-for-1 trades. I'm totally willing to put my in game life on the line. I've played with KaaG before, and this is scum!KaaG.

You've never played with scum!KAAG. So...lynch all liars, am I right?

Anyone can click your ISO and see how much garbage it is.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I think it's really obvious that he made a mistake about the number of days regardless of his alignment?

Honest town who are actually trying to solve the game don't stubbornly stick to something that isn't true when it's pointed out. They re-evaluate.

You know who has to start with a conclusion and then lie, manipulate, misrepresent and cherry pick to try and get people to believe the conclusion? Scum.

I did re-evaluate. I decided not to vote you, and then after more fluff and failure to engage, I voted you.

And the post with your promise was Saturday 16th. It's Saturday 23rd. That's 7 days: 23 - 16 = 7. See how easy that is?

Rest of your post is typical useless nonsense. Did you swallow the idiot ball?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

@Frag, other than the seeming insistence on referencing Post 9, which is a nothing post, there isn't much that points me towards scum in Creature's Iso. I don't see why he'd be so strongly scumread.

Agreed. The only thing I seen about the Creature slot was the "two scum one stone" comment.

I'd be up to wagon Snarky to at least get something remotely useful out of him. He's playing way differently then the last time we met.

Why Snarky rather than Guy? Question goes to anyone on that wagon.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Lol I just noticed KAAG said 1055 was quite a good case.
KAAG, tell me what was good about it. Because in reality, it sucked ass.

No, it doesn't suck ass. Your predecessor contributed nothing to the game, was just trying to look involved. Of the slots I suspect yours is my least certain, but I don't get town vibes from you at all.

Can someone who thinks Aristo is town explain why please without using meta?

@Frag, other than the seeming insistence on referencing Post 9, which is a nothing post, there isn't much that points me towards scum in Creature's Iso. I don't see why he'd be so strongly scumread.

Yeah you won't find much in his ISO, but if you read in context, Creature simply ignored questions coming his way, or answered with cryptic garbage. See 491.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Antitown does not always equal scummy, I agree, but Creature was very antitown, plus overly defensive when he did engage.

And while Firebringer is endearing, he hasn't done anything to give me town vibes. I accept his joking about with pisskop and yourself as NAI but he's very much a "responder" when it comes to the game, hasn't done much off his own back.

With all that said, I want either Drixx or Guy lynched today. Can't see myself voting outside those two at this stage.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

What a short Iso.

Fawkes isn't really helpful, and I can see the wagon there, but I also have a gut feel he's town.
I saw something in his Iso that's making me lean that way.

Snarky is a far better wagon!

OK, I just re-read both Snarky and Guy. Not exactly a major time-sink.

I didn't read anything in Guy's to get a gut town read from him. There's literally nothing worth quoting to make a case either way IMHO.

But Snarky is worse than I remembered him being, especially on D2:

iraonavp is town BTW

Why? I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Nah.

If I would have to choose someone right now, drippinggoofball hasn't been contributing too much and is just fillering for the most part.

Agree.

So DGB is his preferred lynch, OK. I don't agree but fine.

VOTE: Aristo

And I'm pretty sure my vote is staying firmly planted here.

Uh...what happened?

@Iraonvp

How can you have Snarky so far up when he's done practically nothing?

Also you accepted I could be town in your 1159 yet now I'm at the very bottom of you calling me scum. Then you say KAAG is the one you trust the least, yet I'm still below him. Once again more evidence of you saying things that sound good, but not actually following through with the actions afterwards. This is most definitely a scum trait that I will pursue a lynch on you for.

VOTE: Iraonvp

VOTE: Fragger

Uh...what happened? If you don't give reasons for changing vote, it just looks opportunistic.

VOTE: YUme

This is your second post where there's nothing but a blanket vote. You didn't even quote anyone this time. Want to give us reasons?

It's a lurker slot.

Pretty sure we have better choices than a lurker slot atm.

LOL.

OK, I do understand the wagon. I just don't feel like moving my vote: Drixx is worse.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

This is what I said:

Drixx said his ISO contradicts the notion he has done no scum hunting. I disagreed: his ISO shows he has indeed done no (or little) scum-hunting.

I stand by it. People can read his ISO and decide.


The provable lie in this thread is:

Add buzzwords to lies and you have A+B = Scum.

Let's string em up folks. Scum can't win 1-for-1 trades. I'm totally willing to put my in game life on the line.

I've played with KaaG before, and this is scum!KaaG.

You've never played with scum!KAAG.

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KaaG - I never said which alignment I played with you as. I just said that you were scum now. Periods separate thoughts.

Just LOL. You imply previous experience, which you do not have. And periods separate sentences. You've never had a thought that took multiple sentences to express before?

I believe SnarkySnowman is town-aligned, because of posts like this:

No because this lynch is stupid

I think his response to being voted has been comparable to N e s s (who most players misread) in terms of being indignant.

There are not many reasons because he does not have many posts.

If scum can come across as town by posting a six word rebuttal, why don't scum win every game? I'll tell you why: because that six word rebuttal is not remotely alignment indicative and most players would realize that.

Posting like Snarky is easy to fake as scum, which is why it's hard to read him.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

VOTE: Aristo

I feel there's at least three better choices (Drixx/Guy/Frag). I see no case on Snarky that doesn't apply to at least 3 other players. The case on Aristo is weak, but as they seem to be the only games in town, I'll go for the case I can actually fathom.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

aris is so hard to read

Agreed.

Anyone else finding Oz hard to read?

His cases seem convoluted & constipated on first impression , much like Keyser Soze's cases – on d1. Later he had an outrageously hard-to-read 1258 wall on d2 that moved me to place him at null. His 20 was an unsubstantial post, 252 was way brief, 560+561+720+1051+1168+1368+1461+1599+1717 = fluff posts.

He posts some fluff, but if you're ill, you're ill: I'd rather he let us know there's a reason for him not posting much. I didn't have a problem with 1258 really: I essentially agree with his ISO analysis on KTS. Overall, I don't find him super suspicious: there's 3 or 4 others I'd go for first.

FINALLY a day phase that starts on a weekend. I'm still somewhat angry about the game being reopened after over 2 hours. 4 mods...come on! People are busy and for me, weekdays mean I may resort largely to phone posting, which takes away a big chunk of my play . Anyway.

Snark's fake claim was indeed odd but the fact that ira & Something added votes on him after a PR claim - that is very disturbing. Adding that to my notes. When someone claims PR, even if they're lying - that can be dealt with as the game went on. I wish I was here during the final moments because I would've seriously unvoted and moved it back to Aris, who accumulated more votes near the end.

When S_S voted, there were minutes to deadline:

There are

SEVENTEEN

minutes until deadline.

Even if you were online, there wouldn't have been any hope of getting the lynch changed. I will be looking at those who started the wagon or jumped on easily: iraonavp and S_S are the two I least suspect on that wagon.

Let's start here: VOTE: Firebringer


PEdit: LOL, nice. Why?

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4 of my 5 scum reads were on the Snarky wagon, only one who wasn't was Guy. That's Drixx, Fire, Aristo and Frag.

I voted Fire because I seemed to recall his joining being the most disgusting, and:

I like joining wagons.
Wagons are fun:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Yep, I was right. Followed by this peach:

I think Snarky may be town.

How are people coming to this conclusion?
I read his ISO, it wasn't even filled with town AtE, it was just AtE. How can anyone read this on motivation or tone.

I TONE READ PEOPLE AND CAN TELL YOU I DONT SENSE A TOWN TONE!

And then add some shade throwing on Performer:

Why is it that I always want to lynch Performer? He is just so....makes me angry for some reason.

About as productive as Fires post, stating he wanted to lynch me. Except in this case, Drips voting Snark, we're with less than 24 hrs, and she made this suspect, vague post.

And your posts reek of scumminess and apathetic attitude of everyone.

And his one supremely useful post today:

Ahhh I am still alive?
The scum can't tell I have been hinting at a powerful power role?

Lynch this now please. He might have more words per post than Snarky did but he literally says nothing, other than give crap reasons to wagon and crap reasons to town read Aristo.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Let's lynch Yume and save the mod some work.

The case here is about as good as the case was on Snarky. As in, terribad. Yume and Guy are being replaced, and certainly in Guy's case its implausible anyone can read his slot as anything.

iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?

(Hectic day at work, will try to catch up in full later this evening)

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iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?

Of course you're still scum-aligned. The quoted post is a great example of this with the "interesting".

Isn't it obvious why I'm now voting Fraggernaut?

No, it isn't. I never find it obvious why people vote one way in their first post of the day (with no reason given), then change in the second with the word "Finally" being their only explanation.

Please do explain, and also please elaborate on your scum hunting method that assigns scum reads due to the use of the word "interesting", because that is very interesting to me.

You're an interesting chap.

You have a good case on me?

Most opportunistic jumping onto Snarky wagon, buddying to Pisskop then Aristo, doubtcasting Performer, lots of words but little content. Y'know...just general scummy things.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I'm town, I'm trying to find the scum that's on my wagon. I'm at L-3 right now. I believe there's at least two currently on my wagon.

This is just vague. Point out specific ones.

Agreed. Please, I'm voting you, don't make points I agree with.

Ozgin is town. Drixx has done nothing to change my read from D2. DGB is a lot less towny so far today.

Can you, FB, explain why you town-read Aristo. And no meta, please: you want me to accept your tone read on Snarky was made honestly, then humor me.

Let's not faff about: Snarky was mislynch bait, and I am convinced scum (almost certainly plural) were on the wagon. FB and Drixx were by far the worst joiners.

I literally don't understand why Performer and (I think) iraonavp are puzzled by my scum read on FB at this point. Just to reiterate:

I like joining wagons.
Wagons are fun:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I think Snarky may be town.

How are people coming to this conclusion?
I read his ISO, it wasn't even filled with town AtE, it was just AtE. How can anyone read this on motivation or tone.

I TONE READ PEOPLE AND CAN TELL YOU I DONT SENSE A TOWN TONE!

This isn't scum? Seriously?

...

Something_Smart, Ozgin, Slandaar = town
iraonavp, killthestory, Performer = prob!town
Guy/Replace, Yume, Kuroi, ilikebugs, DGB = unclear
Aristo, Frag = scummy
Drixx, FB = scum

PEdit: LOL @ Frag. S_S and iraonavp are the only two on the Snarky wagon who didn't annoy the bejeezus outta me by joining it. iraonavp has dumb reads but he's not scummy, and S_S is town.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

@KAAG

I'm still waiting for a case from Something_Smart that isn't completely fake. He doesn't have one.

It's D3 though, and frankly you haven't made me think you're town.

There is precious little interaction between yourself and Drixx either.

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@KAAG

Here's the issue I have with your argument.

Something_Smart, Ozgin, Slandaar = town
iraonavp, killthestory, Performer = prob!town
Guy/Replace, Yume, Kuroi, ilikebugs, DGB = unclear
Aristo, Frag = scummy
Drixx, FB = scum

Those are your most updated reads from your 1935

In the world where you think I'm mafia, alongside Drixx & Fire means you believe I as mafia would hard defend my partner Drixx throughout day one, day two & day three openly. It also means you believe I would hard defend Fire late day two, call him a PR which I read him as & then continue to express my belief that Fire is a PR & defend them into day three. Which is implausible & extremely dumb if I was actually mafia, which I'm not.

I find the fact you think you hard-defended Drixx laughable to the max. Two sentences saying he's vaguely towny?

Regarding FB:

Also there's no world in the world of ever that Fire is scum, based on his interaction with Aristo I mentioned earlier.

This is the only reference to FB you made late on D2 that I could see. Are you saying I should read this as you reading him as a PR?

OK. You're scum.

UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: Fraggernaut

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Yume is obvscum imo.

VOTE: Yume

Which of Yume's 6 posts lead you to this conclusion? Or is it simply an activity tell like DGB's?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Considering Frag's @ L-2, and 2 replacements are coming, and there's no counter wagon with traction...is it claim time? Plenty of peeps on this site have itchy trigger fingers, so if you wait until L-1 you might not get a chance.

Yume is obvscum imo.

VOTE: Yume

DGB has the reputation she does for a reason. Nobody is interested in my scum reads, so if I'm going to sheep, it will be on DGB. Nothing more or less.

So Yume is

obvious scum in your opinion

...but your reason is

you are sheeping DGB?

Seems legit...

I am interested in your reads Drixx. I even asked for them a long while back.

So did I.

@Slandaar: I've certainly given my reasons for voting Fragger. Even if others aren't, how does that make him town? I would expect that he's being bussed (by Fire, Ari or Ozgin).

Every time someone rephrases anything he says, it's a misrep in his eyes. His reasons for voting Snarky were yuck, his attempt to discredit iraonavp and, repeatedly, yourself S_S, were yuck, he's speculating on roles that are less likely to exist than the Loch Ness monster (Jester? LOL...). I could ISO him and find more reasons but it's unnecessary.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I think calling anyone's reads toilet when you (purportedly) chose to watch Drixx on N1 is comedy gold.

What is your opinion on FB now? You still think he's a PR?

I'd like to hear from iraonavp before going further on this.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I think calling anyone's reads toilet when you (purportedly) chose to watch Drixx on N1 is comedy gold.

What is your opinion on FB now? You still think he's a PR?

I'd like to hear from iraonavp before going further on this.

Bleh, sorry. When you thought Drixx was a good choice.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I read Drixx town

There's the issue.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I wouldn't call it a policy, as it is situationally based.
However, I'd rather risk losing an ascetic enabler than a watcher.
If he is scum, he's dead meat tomorrow. If he's town, he is far better to us alive than dead.
It's merely weighing the potential risks. Your lynch is the better play here.

If it's a fake claim by iraonavp, it's a strange one. I've never been in a game with an ascetic enabler before, so it's hardly common. I get the logic in your post but I find Frag's claim much more suspect than iraonavp's. My gut says Frag is bs'ing.

If iraonavp is telling the truth though, and scum have an ascetic, no way they kill him.

UNVOTE:

For now.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I think its 90/10 that iraonavp is telling the truth over Frag, but ascetic enabler is such a bad role. I seriously doubt we have an ascetic, so it's gonna be scum.

VOTE: iraonavp

L-1

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Mod: ilikebugs hasn't posted for a while...like...uh...12 days

[KickAssAndGiggle]

If there was a vig at work, good shot.

VOTE: Aristophanes

Middle slot on last two wagons, lots of posts, not so much pushing.

Mod: Ilikebugs last post was in APRIL!

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ozgin wasn't on the Snarky wagon. I find it very unlikely that wagon went through without multiple scum.

Frag was on the wagon. Of the living, so were:

Killthestory, Aristophanes, KuroiXHF, Firebringer, DrippingGoofball, Performer, Something_Smart

I like KTS and S_S for town, and I liked Performer until he started talking about reading his notes (a non-provable way of changing you reads, classic scum idea), and setup speculating today.

Looking at the iraonavp wagon, Aristo is in the "scum zone" on both lynches. So is Kuroi.

I would really like you to explain these points to me Performer:

Yeah, I hadn't thought about it, but that does suck..
I will do my best to be here for current events type stuff, doubt I'll get my analysis done though.

DGB had been okay, but I'm done defending them. Their insistence on a Yume lynch yesterday was ridiculous. As I said, they seemed almost to be a lyncher, though those aren't "normal" and probably aren't likely in a game that seems to have 2 killing factions already.

Also, who was the single death N2? I forget, but it probably means both scum attacked them. Perhaps rereading their posts is a good idea.
And condemning some who pushed immediate shade onto Guy for "Not being around to submit a kill."
Possible scum going for an easy mislynch in that group!

Hmm.. nothing that hugely stands from 85-86 right after the n3 phase, except I noted KAAG and Kill voted you.

I don't think you're scum anymore though.

I'm curious, why do you think "both scum" attacked Egg rather than other possibilities?

Rach I don't recall you stating any large push against the lurking Oz slot before n3 (who I erroneously read as town for his note of replacing out). What caused you to suddenly tell us this?

Fire you always say you have late-game potential. We need all the help we can get.

This sounds like you buttering up to me. I don't think you would say this as town tbh.

Instead of coming out of a night phase saying you replaced in because you're stupid or being lost and saying you were on mobile, I'm trying to see if you can get some info with us.

I wouldn't be talking to you like this if I didn't think you're town.

@Kuroi if I were scum, I wouldn't bother with anybody at this point.

Just the bold parts. Because I don't agree here, at all.

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I don't understand where town reads on Aristo or FB are coming from. Aristo in particular feels like he isn't really doing anything, and is always there in a middle position on the lynches.

FB is a serial fluff poster. I find almost nothing in his posts I can get a firm read from.

Kuroi wasn't on my radar until today, but his read list (with KTS low) and his vote for Performer have put him there now.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Game's going nowhere until we get replacements for Yume and Bugs. Yume in particular is completely unclear.

FB, I cannot fathom how you have Kuroi townier than S_S. Kuroi, like Aristo, was in the scum zone (middle positions) on both previous mislynches. Any reason for that read?

S_S, Slandaar = town
Performer, KTS = prob!town
Yume, Bugs, DGB, RachMarie = unclear
FB, Kuroi = lean!scum
Aristo = scum

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I didn't exactly expect you to endorse it.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Game's going nowhere until we get replacements for Yume and Bugs. Yume in particular is completely unclear.

FB, I cannot fathom how you have Kuroi townier than S_S. Kuroi, like Aristo, was in the scum zone (middle positions) on both previous mislynches. Any reason for that read?

S_S, Slandaar = town
Performer, KTS = prob!town
Yume, Bugs, DGB, RachMarie = unclear
FB, Kuroi = lean!scum
Aristo = scum

I really don't like your reads all game. I can't tell if its just because you read me as scum, or you put people I think as town like Aristo, DGB, and leaning Kuroi as scum or unclear >.>

DGB -> spent all D3 tunneling Yume based on activity. I was town reading her on D2 but why should that continue if her D3 contributions consists of posts like:

Because I am town?

BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT

I don't think Fragger is scum.

I will not vote him.

Replacing GuyFawkes and Yume now. Ozgin is V/LA.

FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we continue lynching Yume?

Which of these gives you a town vibe?

Kuroi -> VCA + voting Performer. Performer feels like he's trying to solve the game.

Aristo -> VCA and too much fluff.

I am really bad for being Lurkerscum, even though I hate that. I have been trying to change it, but I'm still working in it.

Remove the fluff posts and Aristo would be lurkerscum. There's gut involved, but this is what my gut says.

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Slandarr, you keep pushing that I have only made a shitty case for Snarky's inactivity being scum all game. This is untrue. It's getting as stale a case as DGB against Yume.
KAAG is stagnating in a case against me as well.

I propose that you either get a better case or drop it, as it is quite unproductive.

If you saw someone in the middle slots of both previous lynches that hit town, and he joined at least the first one for nothing, would you say the case was stale?

How is VCA on D2/D3 stale on D4?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I don't think we can make serious progress without the replacements. Ilikebugs has been over 3 weeks without a post, and Yume not far behind.

Prodging until these get filled.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Also, yeah. I was willing to lynch someone possibly without regard to alignment. It would tell us a lot about a couple of players, especially Goofball. It would also get the game going because the game is comatose.

You should at least thank me for putting a shock and putting it into rhythm, albeit a weak one.

Are you trying to defend the fact that you want to do something obviously scummy? Why would you lynch someone without regards to alignment? It's D4, you must have at least one scum read.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

KAAG, what are your thoughts on DGB recently? Is she still "unclear"?

I think that making a scum list that contains two dead players is probably town. Scum would be more careful.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Why Yume over ilikebugs?

ilikebugs has been inactive longer. Neither of them posted much to read them from. It feels like people are giving bugs a pass because he claimed VT early, but if it's that easy, scum would do it every game! And then people are suspicious of Yume because she has posted elsewhere while flaking here, but if that's such an obvious tell, why the hell would scum do it?

Voting either makes zero sense to me. Lynching anyone until we have replacements makes zero sense (and, yes, I am voting Aristo but I wouldn't want the lynch until the replaces). On a site that has a replace system, all this talk of lynching/vigging inactives makes me suspicious of those asking for it. DGB was tunneling Yume before she flaked, but the rest of the "why not Yume?" mob just look like they want an easy target.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

ilikebugs has been inactive longer. Neither of them posted much to read them from. It feels like people are giving bugs a pass because he claimed VT early, but if it's that easy, scum would do it every game! And then people are suspicious of Yume because she has posted elsewhere while flaking here, but if that's such an obvious tell, why the hell would scum do it?

If you claim VT everygame it is a nulltell hence you can't do that in the longrun with any benefits. Claiming VT as a newbie (under no pressure) is very town.

You are right about posting elsewhere though.

One of his scum mates could have advised him to because people town read it.

Have I mentioned my scumread on KAAG yet?

I believe you did, yes. Has it moved beyond OMGUS?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Yume because she has posted elsewhere while flaking here, but if that's such an obvious tell, why the hell would scum do it?

OMG

Who said it's an "obvious tell," scum, if it was that obvious I wouldn't have such a hard time convincing people to lynch an abject lurker.

You're my next tunnel. You should definitely NK me. Don't let the WIFOM stop you.

The whole point was that it most certainly ISN'T an obvious tell, that it is in fact not a scum tell at all, and we should not be voting it. I thought that was clear.

Regarding the mob comment:

Also, yeah. I was willing to lynch someone possibly without regard to alignment. It would tell us a lot about a couple of players, especially Goofball. It would also get the game going because the game is comatose.

You should at least thank me for putting a shock and putting it into rhythm, albeit a weak one.

Are you trying to defend the fact that you want to do something obviously scummy? Why would you lynch someone without regards to alignment? It's D4, you must have at least one scum read.

I do have scum reads. Others had scum reads. We all explained ours and yet, the game was in stagnation. I want the game to move forward and I weighed the options. Still, I moved forward.

Do you think ilovebugs and Yume will be replaced?

Soon?

Ever?

Even though I suggested to vote inactive people to move the game forward?

I mean, that's not the worst suggestion really.
I'm not sure why everyone is all over you atm.

@Kuroi

You say to vote for inactive folk, does that mean you would support DGB's death tunnel wagon on the non existent slot of Yume?

Regrettably your nonsense tell is getting traction, or at least discussed. It's just bloody impatience not to wait for the replaces. Both slots are entirely null.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I'm saying what most people are thinking: that's why there's hardly any posts or votes. We're all waiting for the replaces (well, except DGB) but I'm articulating it.

That's scummy how? We've mislynched 3 times, I don't see how our chances improve when we vote null slots.

Why are you so sure there's 2 scum on the same team left anyway?

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DGB is almost definitely town, based on just the scum list she posted today. Calling her a lyncher is plain silly.

I have no idea if Yume will flip scum. Because I have three scum reads who aren't Yume (that's Kuroi, Firebringer and Aristo BTW), I'd guess not but it's not like I haven't had shit reads before so...

I guess Slandaar is reasonable: I'm not voting Yume but I'll stop whining about it come Thursday.

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Will lynch Aristo or Kuroi happily. If this is getting more traction:

VOTE: Kuroi

I frankly still don't get why we couldn't get momentum on KAAG - Snark, Drixx, and even ira listed him as a scumread.

Snarky's read lists were a joke, Drixx was OMGUS.

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I was going to say I'm generally a shitposter but I iso'd myself and I was very impressed by the quality of my posting in this game, definitely above average, A for effort.

If that gets me lynched I'm going to have to adjust to more shitposting.

I like this post.

Aside: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS KUROI WAGON COMING FROM!

That's my question o.o It was pretty sudden.

I'm compromising because there seems to be no traction on Aristo. But Kuroi on D4 has been awful, especially his early push on Performer.

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I'm so fucking glad someone else reads FB as scum. There isn't a town motivated post in his whole ISO.

Aristo/FB/Kuroi. Two of these.