New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[iraonavp]

Hello. How's it going, all?

NOW DIE SCUM

VOTE: jam

we will lynch scum

all we need is just a little patients

I think you mean "patience". I do however think you are voting correctly.

VOTE: jam

[iraonavp]

Are you feeling the pressure, jam?

[iraonavp]

let's get this straight

this jam wagon sucks

we need to bandwagon boonskiies

because he is most definitely scum here

Upon what metric does the jam wagon suck?

I don't think Boonskiies has done anything alignment indicative so far, and the jam wagon has FIVE TIMES the number of voters.

[iraonavp]

Furthermore, the jam wagon has Pressure.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Fraggernaut

[iraonavp]

Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?

[iraonavp]

I gotta say Ira's ISO is pretty funny. 4 posts, two blanket votes & a bland statement.

That's not true, my ISO has 7 posts.

[iraonavp]

They [Golden Robster]'re playing with reckless abandonment, way different then the game that just finished that I modded; where GR was Jail Keeper.

This [Killthestory's posts] seems rather fake.

My post wasn't hardly a joke, but the reaction from Story & SirCakez was pretty interesting in that they felt a strong urge or need to respond to it. Hook, line & sinker which could of easily be opportunistic scum trying to jump on something as minor as a reaction test.

Hello again Performer. I would like to see a explanation, even if its a small one; of why you've pigeon holed Boonskies in your first post.

I gotta say Ira's ISO is pretty funny. 4 posts, two blanket votes & a bland statement.

You keep pointing out all these things, but do you actually think that any of these players are scum-aligned? If so, you should vote them.

[iraonavp]

You're reading far too much into my posts.

I've never called out anyone, other than you. I've never been "pushing hard" on any wagon.

[iraonavp]

Mafiaturtle, you should vote Fraggernaut with me. I don't think he's really feeling the Pressure.

[iraonavp]

The quotes from you beg to differ though.

???

[iraonavp]

OK caught up. I think Ness is townie here, he reminds me of how I react when I get wagoned early as town.
Iroa I could see a case for but want to see Frag finish interacting with him first.

I think you mean "iraonavp", not "Iroa".

[iraonavp]

Ira is leaning scum mostly for the reasons Fragger described

Really? He literally just quoted my posts and described them.

[iraonavp]

you think #30 is good

what about #29?

You think they're bad posts? Why?

[iraonavp]

Im wondering if we're just going to continue to let Robster shit post the entire game & get a free pass for it.

"Cause he can read minds" isn't very concrete evidence with how much you've thrown votes around.

You keep pointing out all these things, but do you actually think that any of these players are scum-aligned? If so, you should vote them.

[iraonavp]

Irao sorry my vote stays on you, hence I think you're the most scummy person so far in this game.

Your posts contradict what you're saying compared to what you're actually doing. A pretty notable scum trait.

Quote posts in which I make "a half-hearted attempt to make it look like I'm scum hunting".

Quote posts in which I am "pushing hard for this wagon".

Quote posts in which I "call out Mafiaturtle".

[iraonavp]

Your posts contradict what you're saying compared to what you're actually doing. A pretty notable scum trait.

This doesn't make anyone scum-aligned, anyway. If anything, alongside your belief that this is a scumtell, it's an indicator of your own delusion.

[iraonavp]

Right now I would have to say Irao & Golden Robster are in my preliminary scum pool.

Why Golden Robster? I have felt a certain sincerity in his posts.

[iraonavp]

Right now I would have to say Irao & Golden Robster are in my preliminary scum pool.

Why Golden Robster? I have felt a certain sincerity in his posts.

Hasn't provided anything to town other then shit posts & naked votes. Gives me a slight scum lean on him currently.

Scum-aligned players are no more likely to post "shit posts & naked votes" than town-aligned players. Surely you cannot disagree with this.

Also combine that with the fact that I know Golden Robster (from my recently finished game I modded. that they were involved in) is more then capable of providing information to help town & being a town leader.

But he still could be a town-aligned player who isn't making much of an effort, right? That's the conclusion I've reached, at least.

[iraonavp]

Also combine that with the fact that I know Golden Robster (from my recently finished game I modded. that they were involved in) is more then capable of providing information to help town & being a town leader.

But he still could be a town-aligned player who isn't making much of an effort, right? That's the conclusion I've reached, at least.

Isn't that the same as saying someone could still be a town-aligned player who is being very scummy?

No, because he isn't "scummy".

[iraonavp]

the Iron wagon

Doesn't, didn't, never will exist.

[iraonavp]

Lynch all liars is not useful rhetoric in this instance.

[iraonavp]

Oh, I feel calm enough to answer this.

@Irao

Quote posts in which I make "a half-hearted attempt to make it look like I'm scum hunting".

Are you feeling the pressure, jam?

Upon what metric does the jam wagon suck?

I don't think Boonskiies has done anything alignment indicative so far, and the jam wagon has FIVE TIMES the number of voters

No, untrue. Indeed, this is false.

Quote posts in which I am "pushing hard for this wagon".

See above as well as you keep mentioning them here.

Furthermore, the jam wagon has Pressure.

Which to me shows that you're still fully interested & involved with the wagon, while most of everyone else that was on it either went AFK after their vote, or have tried to scum hunt elsewhere & progress the game further.

No, this is again not true.

Quote posts in which I "call out Mafiaturtle".

Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?

You called Mafiaturtle out for not putting their vote on Jam if they were going to pressure, even though your vote at the time was freshly on me when you naked voted me. It seems like either A. You're trying to get town to do the dirty work for you in getting a mislynch or B. There's this odd & weird world that I'll have to wait to see interactions between you & Turtle, that you're scum buddies together.

I asked Mafiaturtle a question, it's as simple as that. You are seeing accusations where there are none. I cannot possibly see how you can draw such conclusions from a harmless question.

Also Irao, if you weren't interested in the Jam wagon. Then why did you go out of your way to mention it so many times?

What do you think?

[iraonavp]

@Irao

Quote posts in which I make "a half-hearted attempt to make it look like I'm scum hunting".

Are you feeling the pressure, jam?

Iraon, can you explain the pressure thing?
(I have my opinion on this but want to hear what you say)

I found the reasoning behind Mafiaturtle's vote odd, who explicitly states that they are trying to pressure someone? Doesn't that defeat its purpose, if its purpose was to learn something about jam? So I wished to continue this train of thought, but Mafiaturtle seems to be outright ignoring me, how rude!

[iraonavp]

While I'm mostly uninterested in Iroa vs frag, I find myself agreeing with frag but that's mostly the theory discussion about contradictions. I wouldn't be shocked if either of them was scum.

How can you agree with him? Fraggernaut makes so little sense.

[iraonavp]

shut up

Do you really think I'm scum-aligned?

I don't trust you very much here.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: iraonavp

Why do you think I'm scum-aligned?

[iraonavp]

flailing scum

I'm not flailing, though. I am perfectly content, sitting in my chair. I think I will go get something to eat.

[iraonavp]

So I read irao's ISO. One particular post is interesting to me, which has been mentioned by fragger, yet not really been answered when irao replied to fragger (315)

Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?

How can you possibly say this when

you weren't voting me either

?

If... I want Mafiaturtle to answer my question?

I think you're inferring the wrong message from my post.

[iraonavp]

I think that N e s s' replacing out was null, because he tries to play fairly when he is scum-aligned. I think he would consider it cheap to replace out when scum-aligned just because he was under pressure.

[iraonavp]

That was Ilikebugs who claimed.

Well, he had no reason to claim, so I can't get a read from it.

This doesn't make sense to me, I don't see why it matters if he has a reason to claim or not, it could still be town-aligned or scum-aligned. And he claimed because pisskop asked him to anyway, I thought this had already been established.

I think that Ilikebugs' claim is most likely true because of how easily he was tricked into giving his role, he didn't resist claiming or anything.

[iraonavp]

You don't need to read anything, just shoot someone to confirm your predecessor's quintuplevoting dayvig survivor claim.

[iraonavp]

Jam, RVS is "random voting stage", which means you vote people for no reason and then pretend to have reads based off it, then decide who you want to be scum-aligned and tunnel them for the rest of the game.

[iraonavp]

I am faced with CRIPPLING INDECISION, but I think that:
Creature's short posts sound awkward.
Fraggernaut is scum-aligned because he's being so serious in RVS and forced theoretical scumreads, we should lynch him.
SirCakez is possibly scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Because SirCakez is making a lot of short quips that don't really mean anything or represent a wider perspective.

[iraonavp]

You don't need to read anything, just shoot someone to confirm your predecessor's quintuplevoting dayvig survivor claim.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure my predecessor didn't claim that, LOL.

You aren't that though, right?

I would push to policy lynch a survivor claim.

[iraonavp]

I don't know what I've done that's alignment-indicative. If you see something, point it out. To me, scum is most likely to be everyone who hasn't posted yet.

His entrance was awkward, and then this is weird logic.
Plus his wagon actually has pressure.

I kind of think this post is scum-aligned, especially considering the context.

[iraonavp]

I mean, you're right, it's not the serious part that I dislike, I think.

I'm not sure what to think about Robster this game, nor on their death tunnel on Jam.

They're playing with reckless abandonment, way different then the game that just finished that I modded; where GR was Jail Keeper.

Using this post as an example, it's how he assumed that Golden Robster has a "death tunnel" on Boonskiies and tries to meta someone based on them not being serious in RVS. Like he is missing every obvious nuance because he's just excreting glib empty stances to look like he's trying to find the scum-aligned players. It feels fake, similar but to a more severe extent than SirCakez.

Yeah, fine, it's not about "serious" at all. I just don't have the words.

[iraonavp]

Can you help us find the scum-aligned players, Drixx?

[iraonavp]

Irao, so you think he's faking effort rather than actually putting it in?

That doesn't sound possible. When he says that Golden Robster is "death tunneling", Boonskiies, it's because he isn't thinking deeply enough about what he posts, because its only purpose is to keep up appearances. Which, when phrased like that, could be "faking effort" but I'm not sure what you mean.

Drixx, I remember you being a very ethical type who doesn't like lying (correct me if I'm wrong). The way you said you weren't third party, specifically, felt like you wanted to avoid a lie with "I'm town" or "I'm not scum". So I asked you straight out to see if you'd avoid it again and you did so by jokingly claiming scum. So basically my theory is you didn't want to lie and used a joke instead. 415 also feels awfully defensive. And 417 feels defeatist for someone at L-9.

I agree sorta but I want to give Drixx an opportunity to read the thread first, so that's why I didn't vote him.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: no lynch

[iraonavp]

So why are we not going on iraonvp?

Who?

[iraonavp]

Drixx, yeah I'd like links to those dirty lies you've told recently. (Also holy shit that game was like 8-10 months ago already?!?!?). Also, why do you think your wagon is "easy"?

Unvote, Vote Creature

^sounds like I was reading that "here wo go" correctly then. His play since that hasn't changed my mind either.

Sircake, did you actually read my reasoning on Drixx critically? It wasn't just because he told a funny joke.

Bugs, why do you think Drixx intentionally made himself a target? And what is wrong with Killthestory's vote on Drixx? Do you think he somehow knew a wagonwould follow?

Kop, thanks I guess? That's the answer I wanted from Bugs but now we'll never get it. I forgot I'd asked though to be fair.

I agree with post 446.

I dont think Drixx wanted to be a target, but what he was doing made himself seem scummier. Killthestory voted Drixx without a reason, and Egg went with the vote. Just an observation for a potential pairing.

I'm not sure I understand. Do you think Drixx is a town-aligned player who just accidentally made himself look scummy? Do you think that Killthestory or Egg could be scum-aligned because they voted Drixx?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Egg

VOTE: Pisskop

Why did you vote these players? I think Egg is town-aligned, and I don't have much of a feeling either way about pisskop.

[iraonavp]

You know Guy is lynchbait Slandaar, you were in Ice Cream. Not a very good vote.

The "lynchbait" idea is the same logic that you criticized Creature for using, how do you reconcile this?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: no lynch

What on earth?? I was speaking theoretically, I didn't suggest that we do a no lynch in this situation in a 21-person game.

VOTE: yes lynch

[iraonavp]

I've never played with Irao or Jam, and you are pinging me constantly so yea those are my scumreads.
Why make that vote directly after my wall though?

I find the way the question is asked suspicious, it's basically "wait, if you're town, then why did you do [reachy scumtell]????".

It's at least twice now he has said that wagons are bad as if that makes the voter scum-aligned. And I dislike the way he was interrogating Ilikebugs.

VOTE: SirCakez

[iraonavp]

his no lynch reaction test

What? It was just a provocative prod dodge. A "provge", if you will.

Not going to quote every post in iraonavp's ISO.

Ira starts off really awkwardly with 23, 29 and 30. Then he gets into the argument with Fragger. It's hard to tell his motivation from this argument but his defense actually seems legitimate and his 159 makes sense from a town mindset. However I don't like how he keeps being defensive and arguing with Fragger for the next 200 posts. I do like 397 because it's pretty much what I was thinking. He outlines some reads in 403 that are pretty shallow, but he doesn't push any of them, citing "CRIPPLING INDECISION", which is actually towny in that he had a chance to be opportunistic and didn't take it. He's actually trying to figure out motivation in 414 and 423, and then he votes no-lynch in what I thought was a reaction test that he has yet to follow up on.

Iraonavp is null leaning scum for me right now because I can see where most of what he is doing coming from a town mindset (town sometimes do forget to scumhunt and just defend themselves) but there's only a little, out of 47 posts, that shows a desire to find scum and there's also only a little that shows a lack of care for how one is being perceived.

This seems more like an argument for calling me town-aligned than scum-aligned.

Why wouldn't I care about how I am perceived? I don't want to be mislynched.

[iraonavp]

Egg looks town.

He just

looks

town-aligned? You said everyone else

was

town-aligned or scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Reubus

I guess I'll help Drixx bus his buddy.

This is scum.

[iraonavp]

Can someone provide me the tag to make individual posts clickable links? Thanks

Like Kop's #557 & #559, & I feel it's coming from a town viewpoint while explaining why the No Lynch is not happening.

I'm still fairly comfortable with Drixx being closer to my town circle. His play is similar to town play I've seen before from him. On a side note though, I haven't had a chance to experience scum Drixx, so that view may be diluted by that.

It's unfortunate that Robster replaced out, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth for both his & Ness's replacement as the day gets shorter. As for Dripping, I'm liking them so far & they're providing some information during their catchup & openly providing their reads as they go. It doesn't feel like any of their posts were pre-planned before replacing in.

I'm going to ISO both Creature & Reubus to get more on them.

Killthestory early on I was skeptical on. Their reaction to the reaction test I did was pretty eh. I want to believe though that they're town now. I just can't see scum changing their votes this many times on day one. They would draw massive attention on themselves cause it would look like they're trying to get their vote to stick somewhere & they would be pretty obvious.

pisskop hasn't done anything that's giving me a read one way or another, other then giving me a brush off answer in their #337

This is scum.

[iraonavp]

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With 21 Alive, it's 11 to Lynch!

Mod Notes:

"Don't Cry"

• (0)
  Boonskiies
  —
  (0)
  Ozgin
  —
  (0)
  Kop
  —
  (0)
  Killthestory
  —
  
  (4)
  Reubus Swagrid
  — Ilikebugs, Drixx, Killthestory, KickAssAndGiggle
  (0)
  pisskop
  —
  
  (1)
  Performer
  — GuyFawkes
  (0)
  Drixx
  —
  (0)
  Ilikebugs
  —
  
  (2)
  SirCakez
  — Creature, iraonavp
  
  (6)
  Creature
  — Kop, Egg, Something_Smart, jam, SirCakez, Ozgin
  
  (1)
  GuyFawkes
  — Slandaar
  (0)
  Something_Smart
  —
  
  (1)
  Egg
  — DrippingGoofball
  (0)
  Slandaar
  —
  (0)
  jam
  —
  
  (4)
  iraonavp
  — Performer, pisskop, SnarkySnowman, Fraggernaut
  
  (1)
  DrippingGoofball
  — Boonskiies
  (0)
  KickAssAndGiggle
  —
  (0)
  Fraggernaut
  —
  (0)
  SnarkySnowman
  —
  
  (1)
  [Not Voting]
  —
  Reubus Swagrid

- (expired on 2016-04-12 23:00:32) -

This is town.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Reubus

I guess I'll help Drixx bus his buddy.

This is scum.

This is town.

[iraonavp]

Im so town I run the local coffee shop

This is town.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Fraggernaut

[iraonavp]

I'm going to have to reread iraonavp, his last few posts have actually made some good points and I rather liked his no lynch reaction test. Not sure yet where I stand on him.

Also I feel like this is a scum-aligned trap of "oh, it wasn't a reaction test?? you're scum then".

[iraonavp]

SirCakez is town.

Also, why. You didn't even quote a post and I disagree with you.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Fraggernaut

Also, I forgot to mention that I'm letting SirCakez bus his partners. Just thought everyone would really appreciate knowing this important fact.

[iraonavp]

Your giving out town cards too easily, iraonavp.

Do you know more than what you should?

This is scum.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Iraonavp

Actually not contributing a lot to peoples posts, and is just basically saying this is town this is scum, without actually engaging into the content that is here. If your failing to actually contribute to posts that you are quoting, you can't say anything incriminating or leaving your self up to possible contradictions.

I apologize for my evident incapability to produce engaging content. In future I will strive to make posts that are interesting and entertaining. It doesn't actually make me scum-aligned, though.

Also, it was obviously a joke.

Also, DragonGoofBall is literally doing exactly what you described.

Also, you have 9 posts.

[iraonavp]

Ira's series of posts in imitation of DGB is interesting. It's pretty obvious that he's upset about being scumread and is trying to do whatever he can to be townread, the problem being that both alignments do this.

I'm not very upset about being read as scum-aligned. Maybe a little. I just wanted to show how inscrutable DragonGoofBall was being.

I definitely don't like him quoting his own post and calling it town.

Why don't you like this? I am town-aligned.

@Ira re: 618: I do think it produced reactions, whether you intended it or not (though you called it "provocative" so I would think you did). Notably from Fragger and Performer. What do you think about those reactions?

Maybe it means that they take life too seriously. Need to relax a bit.

[iraonavp]

Unfortunately, I do not endorse any of the wagons on Reubus Swagrid, Creature, or I.

[iraonavp]

Irao, why did you copy DGB's "this is town" posting style thing? (I have to admit I chuckled at the vote count and your own post being posts you called town)

DrippingGoofball was just spamming random unexplained things, many of which I disagreed with. So I thought I'd return the favor.

[iraonavp]

Irao what wagon do you condone then?

Perhaps a wagon on someone I'm reading as scum-aligned.

Should we just sit around and not wagon anywhere?

Obviously not, I never suggested that.

[iraonavp]

Unfortunately, I do not endorse any of the wagons on Reubus Swagrid, Creature, or I.

I think you're town iraonavp, but I thought the Ness slot was scum and I don't like the way Reubus has replaced in but done nothing. So what don't you like about that wagon?

I thought that N e s s was town-aligned. And Reubus has done nothing that has given me an opinion so far.

[iraonavp]

Irao, what is your read on DGB?

I am not sure.

601 I may find slightly suspicious depending upon its intentions. But I was reading Golden Robster as slightly town-aligned.

So I will ask you, DrippingGoofball, why do you vote Reubus over Drixx here? Do you really believe that Drixx and Reubus are both scum-aligned and that Drixx is bussing Reubus? Thank you for your time.

[iraonavp]

Why would I care about my appearance? I know I'm town based off the Role PM I received. Doesn't mean I have to allow a precedent of allowing Slandaar to ask loaded questions just so he can twist it up. Anyone else in the game saw I didn't attempt to jump on the no lynch subject cause I would of kept harping on it.

I find highly suspicious the way Fraggernaut explicitly states that he doesn't care about his appearance because he is town-aligned. I believe Fraggernaut is trying to take advantage of some players' belief that town-aligned players shouldn't care about their appearance. He goes on to show that he cares about his appearance by stating that he doesn't want to be misrepresented by Slandaar, implicitly because it could make him look bad.

[iraonavp]

I would also like to add that I think Drixx is scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

You guys realize that there aren't any votes made by me right? I mean ... my name is in the vote count, but it was cast by my predecessor. I haven't seen any reason to remove it, but I deserve no credit for it being where it is.

Who even mentioned anything about your vote?

[iraonavp]

irao why have you made zero attempt to get a Drixx wagon going then? There have been chances.

Stop talking, you're awful or scum-aligned.

What a worthless attempt to make me look scum-aligned.

There's no way I can even answer that question fairly.

I have one vote.

[iraonavp]

You guys realize that there aren't any votes made by me right? I mean ... my name is in the vote count, but it was cast by my predecessor. I haven't seen any reason to remove it, but I deserve no credit for it being where it is.

Who even mentioned anything about your vote?

Ummm.... you did. See quote below. I've bolded for emphasis.

Irao, what is your read on DGB?

I am not sure.

601 I may find slightly suspicious depending upon its intentions. But I was reading Golden Robster as slightly town-aligned.

So I will ask you, DrippingGoofball, why do you vote Reubus over Drixx here? Do you really believe that Drixx and Reubus are both scum-aligned and that

Drixx is bussing Reubus

? Thank you for your time.

Oh, that makes more sense. I wasn't sure what you were referring to.

Are you happy with where Mafiaturtle placed his vote?

[iraonavp]

The Fragger wagon isn't happening obviously, so I don't see why you would avoid another, actually viable wagon. It's def answerable.

(0) Drixx —

This is so fucking stupid.

I'm not "avoiding" any wagon.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: SirCakez

Apparently I should vote you because you are an "actually viable wagon".

[iraonavp]

There are multiple people who've said they are scumreading Drixx, but you've made no attempt to push Drixx.

I shouldn't have to explain to you every slightest thing that I do or don't do.

irao why have you made zero attempt to get a Drixx wagon going then? There have been chances.

^^^

Stop talking, you're awful or scum-aligned.

What a worthless attempt to make me look scum-aligned.

There's no way I can even answer that question fairly.

I have one vote.

^^^

[iraonavp]

sirc why have you made zero attempt to get an Axl_Rose wagon going then? There have been chances.

[iraonavp]

sirc why have you made zero attempt to get an Axl_Rose wagon going then? There have been chances.

^^^

[iraonavp]

Flail more.

This is scum.

[iraonavp]

It's not so much you not reading the thread, it's how you're still reasonably active and posting stuff, but you are just passing through and dropping irrelevant comments without trying to sort anyone.

Like this just seems so out of place:

Reubus - VT is the best assignment for working on your town game. It forces you to work on learning to read people accurately, both town and scum. I have learned the most when I've been VT and had to try and think of ways to get reactions and sort people without just waiting for a PR to solve the game for me.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Even if you haven't read the thread from before you replaced in, I don't see why you can't try and do something game-relevant if you're there while people are posting. It looks like you're trying to avoid it under the basis that you will try and do so later, when the only real excuse for not reading the earlier posts (not the later posts) is that you weren't there when the posts were originally posted. I hope I explained that coherently.

[iraonavp]

I always keep up with the game's progress while I'm catching up; otherwise it takes way longer to catch up.

And since Reubus has implied he's a VT, that post was actually really useful. His response to it will be useful in discerning his alignment. So far I feel like he paid lip service by agreeing to my point, but then just continued to be a lurk sack instead of using the freedom of being a VT (implicitly, anyway) to play aggressively and push people and see if he can get reactions and help move the game forward. Being a VT is completely liberating. There's absolutely nothing to lose. If you get lynched, the town loses no role utility and gains information from how your lynch happens, and if you play aggressively and push, you can draw a night kill (again sparing role utility) just by being active and either becoming a threat to scum or (ironically) by being off enough on your reads that scum think killing you will mislead the rest of town.

There's zero reason for a VT to be demotivated to play. It's the most liberating position to be in, besides Tree Stump. Tree Stump is the best. You cannot be silenced so you have free reign to solve the game and scum can't do a thing about it.

I agree with what you're saying. I would probably be more motivated if I was a VT, too.

[iraonavp]

I've noticed most of iraonvp's votes have came off OMGUS.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

[iraonavp]

I didn't see anything that damning about Creature at first other then his "two stones one scum" comment in his #443. He voted on Drixx with that post, which I think is wrong & also went off to spew SirCakez as well in later posts. His #473 to me though felt like he was flailing a little bit, as he tried to push the attention off of themselves onto GuyFawkes. As well as he tried to push scum onto Kop & KAAG in his #475. The only seasonable reasoning I seen Creature provide was their #485, where they mention about how it is possibly a scum driven wagon; due to all the people who quickly parked their vote on Creature, & disappeared. Unfortunately Creature replaced out so we won't get to see the full force of the pressure on them, & will have to wait on their replacement to do something productive, as well as answer for Creature's sins.

Fantastic reading comprehension skills.

[iraonavp]

I disagree. Leaving the vote where it was when I replaced in simply means that I have seen no reason to unvote, nor any reason to place my vote elsewhere. If Reubus were actually doing something, I would then have reason to consider what my vote is doing.

And I'm sorry but there is an actual difference:

1.) I replace in and a vote is on somebody. I didn't place the vote.
2.) I vote for someone. I placed the vote.

They're not the same thing, ergo there

is

a difference. If you can't say something that is actually true, just don't say anything. I mean ... seriously GuyFawkes? You stop being a lurksack to say something that is clearly logically untrue?

Oh ... and there's a super obvious point to leaving it where it is. Let me know when you figure it out.

You could spend the time you used writing this post in which you defend yourself from semantic arguments to actually read the thread and do something that makes me think you're town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

You guys are outfluffing pisskop's avi.

Do you not feel the town radiating from us all?

No, I do not.

[iraonavp]

he hasn't talked much about the game.

Which is a...?

SCUMTELL

I disagree. I think that in context it made more sense, anyway.

[iraonavp]

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Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

You would be okay vigging a PR? Something seems off about this.

I'm a PR now? I thought you were saying I was scum-aligned?

[iraonavp]

Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

Don't vig me though. I am a PR of such extreme importance that it cannot be described in words. When I received my role PM, I could barely believe that the mods would add such a severely overpowered role into the game. On it's own my role could probably restore world peace.

[iraonavp]

Reubus is probably town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

It makes no sense at all that he (Reubus) has barely mentioned the game since replacing, nor committed to a read, said he had no motivation and then softed a VT claim on D1.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

This is scum.

[iraonavp]

He meant to vig me from what I take from that , you're still scum iraonvp & probably should buss your partner for the town credit .

What?

So you're also claiming PR??

There is no way you misinterpreted that as meaning to vig you.

[iraonavp]

Aristo!
I would be okay with a hammer. I would kind of like Reubus to give some final thoughts or a defense but I doubt that's going to happen.
Ira's last few posts have been really weird and I didn't like the softclaim and I'll have to read him again overnight. I'll also have to reread Fragger, no idea where I stand on that slot.

Didn't you call me scum early in the day?

Seems pretty wishy washy.

Awful post.

We should lynch this guy instead of Reubus, seriously. Reubus is just another shitty lurker policy lynch.

[iraonavp]

Hey, Aristophanes!

You should vote Fraggernaut with me. He just slipped that he knows I'm a PR and not scum-aligned, and is currently trying to cover up this with blatant lies.

[iraonavp]

He's also firing reachy suspicion in all directions, and has been doing so for the entire day.

For example, he just tried to make DrippingGoofball look suspicious for suggesting shooting someone who he was supposedly reading as scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Reread what Dripping said, and I get what they mean now. I would definitely be interested to see a vig shot on Iraonvp.

Would be a great shot.

Also no I never claimed PR. Dropping said they got a PR feel from your post, & I thought they were saying they thought you was a PR.

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Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

You would be okay vigging a PR? Something seems off about this.

There is zero chance you are referring to yourself here.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY LYING.

[iraonavp]

Hey, Aristophanes!

You should vote Fraggernaut with me. He just slipped that he knows I'm a PR and not scum-aligned, and is currently trying to cover up this with blatant lies.

lol. Flailing scum is flailing.

This is scum.

[iraonavp]

[float=][/float]

Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

You would be okay vigging a PR? Something seems off about this.

He meant to vig me from what I take from that , you're still scum iraonvp & probably should buss your partner for the town credit .

Reread what Dripping said, and I get what they mean now. I would definitely be interested to see a vig shot on Iraonvp.

Would be a great shot.

Also no I never claimed PR. Dropping said they got a PR feel from your post, & I thought they were saying they thought you was a PR.

Read these posts. This is a completely inconsistent narrative.

[iraonavp]

"w-why are you suggesting shooting a pr isnt that really suspicious???"
"oh yeah i thought he was referring to me lol"
"even though im not a pr and obviously not who drippinggolfball was suggesting to shoot lol"

[iraonavp]

So yeah, that post was pretty awful, like "I'm being freaking impossible to read, you're scum for not scumreading me for it."
But the Reubus lynch is not just because he is lurking. It's because Reubus replaced a scum slot and then lurked.

Pedit: Not PR feel. More like he said "if I were VT". Definitely a softclaim.

What post are you referring to?

If it's my post then that it absolutely not what I said at all.

Fraggernaut claims to think I am scum-aligned, yet he believes my PR claim and calls others suspicious for advocating shots on me.

And Reubus replaced a town-aligned slot.

[iraonavp]

I always keep up with the game's progress while I'm catching up; otherwise it takes way longer to catch up.

And since Reubus has implied he's a VT, that post was actually really useful. His response to it will be useful in discerning his alignment. So far I feel like he paid lip service by agreeing to my point, but then just continued to be a lurk sack instead of using the freedom of being a VT (implicitly, anyway) to play aggressively and push people and see if he can get reactions and help move the game forward. Being a VT is completely liberating. There's absolutely nothing to lose. If you get lynched, the town loses no role utility and gains information from how your lynch happens, and if you play aggressively and push, you can draw a night kill (again sparing role utility) just by being active and either becoming a threat to scum or (ironically) by being off enough on your reads that scum think killing you will mislead the rest of town.

There's zero reason for a VT to be demotivated to play. It's the most liberating position to be in, besides Tree Stump. Tree Stump is the best. You cannot be silenced so you have free reign to solve the game and scum can't do a thing about it.

I agree with what you're saying.

I would probably be more motivated if I was a VT, too.

Are you denying having said the bolded?

I am unequivocally

NOT

a vanilla town, or any other sort of vanilla.

[iraonavp]

I was referring to 811.
Fragger pretty obviously misread DGB. I don't think that relates to his alignment. I don't think Fragger ever claimed a PR. Ira definitely claimed a PR.

If he misread DrippingGoofball, who did he think DrippingGoofball was suggesting shooting? It can't have been himself because he never claimed a PR, and Fraggernaut mentioned that it would be bad to shoot a PR in his response.

[iraonavp]

I always keep up with the game's progress while I'm catching up; otherwise it takes way longer to catch up.

And since Reubus has implied he's a VT, that post was actually really useful. His response to it will be useful in discerning his alignment. So far I feel like he paid lip service by agreeing to my point, but then just continued to be a lurk sack instead of using the freedom of being a VT (implicitly, anyway) to play aggressively and push people and see if he can get reactions and help move the game forward. Being a VT is completely liberating. There's absolutely nothing to lose. If you get lynched, the town loses no role utility and gains information from how your lynch happens, and if you play aggressively and push, you can draw a night kill (again sparing role utility) just by being active and either becoming a threat to scum or (ironically) by being off enough on your reads that scum think killing you will mislead the rest of town.

There's zero reason for a VT to be demotivated to play. It's the most liberating position to be in, besides Tree Stump. Tree Stump is the best. You cannot be silenced so you have free reign to solve the game and scum can't do a thing about it.

I agree with what you're saying.

I would probably be more motivated if I was a VT, too.

Are you denying having said the bolded?

Why are you framing the question like this, anyway?

I think you should be able to see for yourself that I have never denied saying that.

[iraonavp]

Iraonvp I misread the post. I thought he was calling you a PR then in the same instance saying the vigi should have a shot on you. He wasn't saying that. There should be a vigi shot on you. Simple .

???

DrippingGoofball was calling me a PR in that post. You initially said you misread it as calling you, Fraggernaut, a PR. Completely inconsistent. And if you are admitting to thinking I was a PR then you are also admitting to believe my claim while simultaneously calling me scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

What is that supposed to mean, pisskop?

[iraonavp]

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Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

You would be okay vigging a PR? Something seems off about this.

Fraggernaut has clarified (after numerous contradictory revisions) that this post is expressing suspicion towards DrippingGoofball's suggestion that I am shot. The implicit assumption that I am a PR is a slip.

[iraonavp]

shut up

this so much

If you want to discuss something, do it. I am not preventing you from discussing something else. If you don't want to read what I am writing, don't read it. I am not forcing you to read any of my posts. You are an obstruction otherwise. I presume this is a part of how you are deliberately attempting to make yourself unreadable.

DG clearly says that you softed PR or some shit,

I have always maintained that this is true. The fact that you deem it necessary to mention this shows that you are the one who doesn't understand the situation.

and frag asks a perfectly valid question.

He also later goes on to say that I should be shot despite questioning DrippingGoofball for saying the same thing. Multiple times now he has changed his story.

[iraonavp]

Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

Don't vig me though. I am a PR of such extreme importance that it cannot be described in words. When I received my role PM, I could barely believe that the mods would add such a severely overpowered role into the game. On it's own my role could probably restore world peace.

Just read pg 33. Not seeing any sort of soft claim but I did notice ira's hard claim of being a PR, which I don't think was a wise idea.

-No big pressure on ira (by this I mean L-2 or L-1)
-He spontaneously claimed PR

What on earth is he thinking?? This is just painting a big target on the back, if he's telling the truth.
The good thing is whether he's truth telling or lying, this can be figured out as days go on .

So I don't get lynched, also I don't want Reubus to get lynched.

Aristo!
I would be okay with a hammer. I would kind of like Reubus to give some final thoughts or a defense but I doubt that's going to happen.
Ira's last few posts have been really weird and I didn't like the softclaim and I'll have to read him again overnight. I'll also have to reread Fragger, no idea where I stand on that slot.

Didn't you call me scum early in the day?

Seems pretty wishy washy.

Awful post.

We should lynch this guy instead of Reubus, seriously. Reubus is just another shitty lurker policy lynch.

No it's not another poor choice of lynch. Remember our game where KainTepes & Katsuki were lurking and spewed a ton of nonsense in the game, yet they won? We can't just let lurkers or nonsense spewers slide by .

Yeah that sucked, but that doesn't make lurkers likely to be scum-aligned. Basically I see lurkers as people who are hard to read. Since I have other stronger scum-aligned reads, I don't want to lynch someone I'm null on. If I had no better scum-aligned reads then I would start to look at lurkers.

And I wasn't null on N e s s, anyway. I thought he was town-aligned. Reubus has done nothing to change this.

[iraonavp]

No we aren't hammering Reubus slot without a claim stop

He claimed VT already. Still don't hammer though.

[iraonavp]

Aristophanes replaced Kop. This information is available in the OP.

[iraonavp]

Isn't lurking out your wagon when you are nearly at lynch essentially a scum claim?

For the record; NOW I'm saying I think the slot is scum and we should finish it off.

Why don't you tell me, is it?

[iraonavp]

Who are your frenemies then, Firebringer?

[iraonavp]

No we aren't hammering Reubus slot without a claim stop

You mean the VT claim he made to which I responded that he should feel liberated and play aggressively as a VT since drawing a kill is added utility and therefore a VT has literally nothing to inhibit them?

Do you think that Reubus is scum-aligned, because he isn't doing these things?

[iraonavp]

No we aren't hammering Reubus slot without a claim stop

You mean the VT claim he made to which I responded that he should feel liberated and play aggressively as a VT since drawing a kill is added utility and therefore a VT has literally nothing to inhibit them?

Do you think that Reubus is scum-aligned, because he isn't doing these things?

I don't believe a town!Reubus would say to me "Yeah, you're right! That makes sense" and then turn into a lurksack. It's within reason that there's some other reason for inactivity, but it seems much more likely that he's scum waiting out the wagon and hoping we move on out of frustration. I've lost count of how many times I've seen a wagon move to someone else because the person just doesn't show up and claim or engage, and people are afraid to hammer, for some reason.

Maybe that's why Reubus actually said "I'll concede that".

I think any player in a similar position is no more likely to be town-aligned disinterested with the game, than scum-aligned trying to "wait out the wagon". You are just choosing the most suspicious explanation for his actions.

[iraonavp]

ira if you checked Ness's ISO , he voted ilikebugs , who I'm townreading. He had 12 posts of back-to-back filler.
Later Reub replaced in, stated this was his only game, then apologized for slacking, then told us he ran out of motivation from PAST games.

All of this is null. N e s s looked town-aligned to me because he took things personally and that's basically a trust tell for him after the game in which he hated himself for doing that while scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Also you're literally saying that he's suspicious for voting someone you're reading as town-aligned in RVS.

[iraonavp]

Why are you intending to hammer a stupid lynch, Ozgin?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Fraggernaut

@GuyFawkes

It was a misread of what they originally said. It happens.

YOU SAID YOU MISREAD THE SAME POST IN TWO DIFFERENT AND MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE WAYS, SO YOU ARE CLEARLY LYING.

It's interesting though that you've came out now to try to push this, when you did practically nothing the first day outside of the hammer. Still reading you town, but it seems mighty opportunistic.

This is so fucking terrible.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: GuyFawkes

I can get down with this. Dude's wearing a mask. Seriously; scummy.

Why do you think this?

Is it by any chance because lurking is "essentially a scum claim"?

[iraonavp]

I don't think the GuyFawkes hammer was scummy cause I feel like scum wouldn't of waited that long to jump on a hammer in between the last few votes & the deciding hammer.

Fraggernaut is using WIFOM arguments because he has insider information.

[iraonavp]

Don't use this "<player; player: player -> player town~: scum}" nonsense. There is nothing in the statement that there were scum-aligned players on a wagon.

[iraonavp]

Also I've gave multiple reasons for why I've read Drixx town.

You stated multiple times that you were reading Drixx as town-aligned based on meta. Is there no more behind this belief?

[iraonavp]

@KAaG - Telling people I'm voting for Guy to see how people react sort of defeats the purpose. Almost everyone seemed happy to just let it happen.

A couple of people expressed the "feeling" or opinion that he's probably town ... but based upon what? There's nothing to really read Guy by, so those people who took the opportunity while he was being discussed to throw out a "hey I think he's town; tots not giving any reasoning" are now essentially blinking neon signs saying "Look for scum here!" (presuming Guy flips town; they could just be bad and somehow reading a guy with no substantive content).

And then there's the people who questioned the votes on Guy. I'm going to withhold my thoughts on that for the time being.

Unvote

Time to see what we see elsewhere, I think.

So why are you unvoting?

[iraonavp]

Something_Smart is trying too hard to live up to his name. I didn't say Guy was scummy in #1032. I said that I voted him to see how people would react. In fact I went out of my way to point out that Guy lacked any substantive content upon which to form a read. He had 14 posts when I made that post, and he has 15 now. There's almost nothing of substance there.

But you know ... you can just claim I said something and people will totally believe it.

So how did people react? Did you learn anything from your vote?

[iraonavp]

Actually, how'd we go from this:
iraonavp — Performer, pisskop, SnarkySnowman, Fraggernaut, Kop, SirCakez, Ilikebugs

To only Frag voting Ira.

Performer, Snarky, and Bugs, what is your read on Ira now?

Probably because I claimed PR.

[iraonavp]

Fraggernaut is throwing so much shade at Something_Smart right now. We should lynch Fraggernaut.

[iraonavp]

What?

[iraonavp]

ABSOLUTELY SLAUGHTERED

[iraonavp]

Slandaar seems to think Ozgin is scum-aligned and I agree. The cases and stances do seem fabricated.

I didn't like the way his reads changed from 1110 -> 1111. In particular it sounds like he intended to vote Fraggernaut and start reading me as town-aligned when he wrote 1110, and the case thing was perfunctory.

And I can accept that Fraggernaut could be town-aligned, however much this pains me.

VOTE: Ozgin

[iraonavp]

Bleh.

VOTE: Killthestory

[iraonavp]

Yeah, I am bad reasoning town as you can see. Bring out the pitchforks, people, and roast me with them!

You reasoning is bad though, maybe.

[iraonavp]

When I discussed my experience with his meta, it was a reason NOT to vote him.

But he just keeps on giving more and more reasons:

Some people claim I haven't done any scum hunting, but that's easily contradicted by simply reading my ISO.

I did read your ISO. It did not contradict this.

To quote Homer Simpson: "You take forever to say nothing!"

Is a contradiction really a reason to vote someone?

I'm unnerved by your confidence, and I'm not sure whether or not it's genuine.

[iraonavp]

7. Performer - town-aligned
9. Ilikebugs - town-aligned
13. SnarkySnowman - town-aligned
14. Egg - town-aligned
15. Slandaar - town-aligned
17. iraonavp - town-aligned
21. Something_Smart - town-aligned
8. Drixx - unsure (town-aligned?)
18. DrippingGoofball - unsure (town-aligned?)
1. KuroiXHF - unsure
12. GuyFawkes - unsure
16. Yume - unsure
3. Aristophanes - unsure (scum-aligned?)
4. Killthestory - unsure (scum-aligned?)
2. Ozgin - scum-aligned
11. Firebringer - scum-aligned
19. KickAssAndGiggle - scum-aligned
20. Fraggernaut - scum-aligned

There, much better.

I don't trust Creature from posts like 433, and all the curt three-word posts, robotic.

I don't think Drixx is really all that suspicious upon reflection.

If I tried to name one person, KAAG is probably who I trust the least.

[iraonavp]

@Iraonvp

How can you have Snarky so far up when he's done practically nothing?

Because I think he's town-aligned. Because of his genuine postings.

Also you accepted I could be town in your 1159 yet now I'm at the very bottom of you calling me scum. Then you say KAAG is the one you trust the least, yet I'm still below him. Once again more evidence of you saying things that sound good, but not actually following through with the actions afterwards.

Because they are in numerical order.

This is most definitely a scum trait that I will pursue a lynch on you for.

so i'm being trolled

is that what this is

[iraonavp]

Something_Smart, why do you think KickAssAndGiggle is town-aligned?

[iraonavp]

When I discussed my experience with his meta, it was a reason NOT to vote him.

But he just keeps on giving more and more reasons:

Some people claim I haven't done any scum hunting, but that's easily contradicted by simply reading my ISO.

I did read your ISO. It did not contradict this.

To quote Homer Simpson: "You take forever to say nothing!"

Is a contradiction really a reason to vote someone?

I'm unnerved by your confidence, and I'm not sure whether or not it's genuine.

I don't even know what you mean here. Drixx said his ISO contradicts the notion he has done no scum hunting. I disagreed: his ISO shows he has indeed done no (or little) scum-hunting.

When you say "he just keeps on giving more and more reasons", you imply that this contradiction is a reason to vote Drixx.

I repeat, is a contradiction really a reason to vote someone?

[iraonavp]

I used the wrong word, whoops.

[iraonavp]

I'm trying to convey: even if Drixx is lying about posting content or whatever, how is that relevant to his alignment?

That seemed like a nitpicky reason for a vote, yet you seem really confident about it.

[iraonavp]

Drixx, we're all liars.

[iraonavp]

I think it's really obvious that he made a mistake about the number of days regardless of his alignment?

[iraonavp]

Come on guys Yume is scum

I know it's just a vanity wagon now

But he's scum

I don't really agree.

I think this is best.

VOTE: Firebringer

[iraonavp]

Come on guys Yume is scum

I know it's just a vanity wagon now

But he's scum

I don't really agree.

I think this is best.

VOTE: Firebringer

What a crappy vote.

How. I'm not pretending to be able to read Firebringer, but I didn't like Creature.

[iraonavp]

I like joining wagons.
Wagons are fun:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Perhaps this is not a great post.

I don't see why he has to qualify his vote at all if his motives are so pure and simple.

[iraonavp]

I believe SnarkySnowman is town-aligned, because of posts like this:

No because this lynch is stupid

I think his response to being voted has been comparable to N e s s (who most players misread) in terms of being indignant.

[iraonavp]

Quick question.

Is there any scum or third party roles in a normal that blocks a vote?

Not really. There are a list of "normal" roles here.

There could be up to two non-normal roles included though, so it's possible.

[iraonavp]

The handwriting is pretty clear on the wall.

VOTE: Snarky

You're stuck in confirmation bias Something_Smart. If I left my vote on KaaG, you would call it a vanity vote or an attempt to dodge VCA or some shit like that. The day is running out and an actual wagon is happening; I asked why even though I knew asking why could possibly be to my own detriment, and there wasn't much for answers, as people were bizarrely confused by me using the phrase "look a gift horse in the mouth" and talked about that instead ... but we aren't going to gain anything by a no lynch.

I'm not going to use (or not) my vote trying to decipher what you think I should or shouldn't do. You need to re-assess your priors and get the fuck out of confbias mode.

Do you actually think SnarkySnowman is scum-aligned?

I don't understand what the phrase you used in the first quote means, but I would interpret it as "everyone else is voting snarky snowman so thats what were doing", which is pretty awful.

It's like what Creature did earlier. I think that being unnecessarily cryptic means that you are trying to hide something.

[iraonavp]

Drixx, you're confusing me. I honestly think you're town-aligned when I step back and look at the big picture, but you're making it very difficult to understand your perspective.

I don't understand what "The handwriting is pretty clear on the wall." means in this context.

Are you trying to say that you view SnarkySnowman's wagon as foolish, yet you're joining it anyway because you don't want to sit on a "vanity wagon"?

[iraonavp]

snarky shut the fuck up those reads were so half assed youre looking for any excuse to explain yourself.

@Frag, You literally just said that if I'm reading you as scum, why would I be okay with a wagon on you. That's silly.

Anyway, my reads don't solely revolve around you.

In this instance they kind of do revolve around me, cause I'm questioning the things you said.

can't tell if ignorant or just scumfuck

I'm thinking ignorance here

Why not both?

[iraonavp]

When I played with Aristophanes and he was town-aligned, he coasted too and was very suspicious.

SnarkySnowman is just another Reubus: probably town-aligned and being wagoned only because of inactivity.

[iraonavp]

Aristophanes always sounds forced, even when town-aligned. I cannot read him and doubt you can.

I thought that Kop was suspicious, though.

VOTE: Aristophanes

The best vote currently, because it has several votes and I am not reading him as town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Kuro, but do Snark and Guy really strike you as the kind of players who will be more useful as town than as scum?

Ira, is Snark actually a town read for you or is it just because of the wagon that you say that?

Yes, I am reading SnarkySnowman as town-aligned, this was before he was wagoned and has nothing to do with the wagon.

[iraonavp]

I believe SnarkySnowman is town-aligned, because of posts like this:

No because this lynch is stupid

I think his response to being voted has been comparable to N e s s (who most players misread) in terms of being indignant.

There are not many reasons because he does not have many posts.

[iraonavp]

Why am I a better lynch choice then, Egg?

You aren't even a good choice. Just a better choice.

[iraonavp]

Wait so you rather let a useless slot stay in the game? What happens when that useless slot is around in MYLO or LYLO? Smh Something_Smart. Please try in the future to not say such dumb things. I want to actually win this game. Thanks

Suddenly it becomes a policy lynch when it suits Fraggernaut. He doesn't even think SnarkySnowman is scum-aligned.

VOTE: Fragger
Let's speedwagon this actually.

I would. But I don't have enough faith at this stage and the rest of them won't vote Fraggernaut.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Fragger
Let's speedwagon this actually.

So are you trying for a no lynch or a last minute Snark lynch?

Considering the possible no-lynch situation, I don't like it all that SS voted on Frag. The last two posts of interaction on pg 65 between SS and Frag, seem strange to me.

You think Something_Smart is scum-aligned, is that what you're saying? Why don't you like his vote and the interaction?

I would not interpret it as an explicit statement of intention to no lynch. Scum-aligned players don't broadcast their motives so blatantly. It's just anti-town, not scummy.

[iraonavp]

Iraonavp should know what I'm talking about, though I get the feeling he does not.

Is this what I think it is?

Should this post give me a strong reason to unvote?

[iraonavp]

I don't think it was what I thought then.

I really wish we were lynching Fraggernaut right now, it's frustrating.

[iraonavp]

Fraggernaut and KickAssAndGiggle are almost surely scum-aligned in my opinion. That's all I'm really sure of.

[iraonavp]

Irao just misrepped me so hard in their 1680

I never said Snarky was a policy lynch, I said Snarly is a useless slot that won't help us solve the game, & they're not the kind of person I would want around in MYLO or LYLO. That doesn't make him a policy lynch, just a lynch.

"I never said Snarky was a policy lynch, I said Snarky was a policy lynch"

[iraonavp]

I'm reading Snarky scum for the reason that he's not willing in any aspect to try to help town win this game.

That's not a scumtell, that's a reason to policy lynch someone.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[iraonavp]

Someone should hammer.

[iraonavp]

SnarkySnowman is at L-1 and needs another vote to be lynched.

Will you be that another vote?

Vote SnarkySnowman today.

[iraonavp]

FINALLY a day phase that starts on a weekend. I'm still somewhat angry about the game being reopened after over 2 hours. 4 mods...come on! People are busy and for me, weekdays mean I may resort largely to phone posting, which takes away a big chunk of my play . Anyway.

Snark's fake claim was indeed odd but the fact that ira & Something added votes on him after a PR claim - that is very disturbing. Adding that to my notes. When someone claims PR, even if they're lying - that can be dealt with as the game went on. I wish I was here during the final moments because I would've seriously unvoted and moved it back to Aris, who accumulated more votes near the end.

@Fire & Frag - what're your reads on Ozgin and Slandaar?

Unless there are developments, I say we resume the wagon on this today:
VOTE: Aristophanes

I didn't add votes on him after a PR claim.

No way we're lynching Aristophanes today.

VOTE: KickAssAndGiggle

[iraonavp]

Finally.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

[iraonavp]

iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?

Of course you're still scum-aligned. The quoted post is a great example of this with the "interesting".

Isn't it obvious why I'm now voting Fraggernaut?

[iraonavp]

Yume's not lurking. Yume's completely absent.

ery different.

I find DGB pursuing this interesting though.

Same here. She also flat-out ignored me in d2, there was only 1 nk on n2, then on d3 she magically addresses me.
I'm very worried.

Is this a joke?

If not, what are you trying to suggest? I don't get it.

[iraonavp]

I mean ... Fragger isn't doing himself any favors, but why are you trying to trap him into a lame "gotcha" Something_Smart? Like ... that's not actual or good scumhunting ... that's just a lame "gotcha" when you pull that "So you ADMIT you're doubtcasting me" crap. Stahp it.

What does "Fragger isn't doing himself any favors" mean, do you think he's scum-aligned or not?

What you've pointed out in the quoted post isn't relevant in my opinion.

[iraonavp]

iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?

Of course you're still scum-aligned. The quoted post is a great example of this with the "interesting".

Isn't it obvious why I'm now voting Fraggernaut?

No, it isn't. I never find it obvious why people vote one way in their first post of the day (with no reason given), then change in the second with the word "Finally" being their only explanation.

Please do explain, and also please elaborate on your scum hunting method that assigns scum reads due to the use of the word "interesting", because that is very interesting to me.

You're an interesting chap.

I voted Fraggernaut because other people were also voting him.

"interesting" is just an awkward and suspicious way of saying "scum-aligned". There's no other thing that could mean.

[iraonavp]

iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?

Of course you're still scum-aligned. The quoted post is a great example of this with the "interesting".

Isn't it obvious why I'm now voting Fraggernaut?

No, it isn't. I never find it obvious why people vote one way in their first post of the day (with no reason given), then change in the second with the word "Finally" being their only explanation.

Please do explain, and also please elaborate on your scum hunting method that assigns scum reads due to the use of the word "interesting", because that is very interesting to me.

You're an interesting chap.

You have a good case on me?

Most opportunistic jumping onto Snarky wagon, buddying to Pisskop then Aristo, doubtcasting Performer, lots of words but little content. Y'know...just general scummy things.

I mean ... Fragger isn't doing himself any favors, but why are you trying to trap him into a lame "gotcha" Something_Smart? Like ... that's not actual or good scumhunting ... that's just a lame "gotcha" when you pull that "So you ADMIT you're doubtcasting me" crap. Stahp it.

What does "Fragger isn't doing himself any favors" mean, do you think he's scum-aligned or not?

What you've pointed out in the quoted post isn't relevant in my opinion.

Is there really that much confusion over what I'm saying in this game? I've never been constantly asked what I mean.

Fragger is being wagoned, and his posts aren't helping change people's perception of him. He is, therefore, not doing himself any favors.

I understand what you're saying, but I want you to say more than that.

[iraonavp]

I'm town, I'm trying to find the scum that's on my wagon. I'm at L-3 right now. I believe there's at least two currently on my wagon.

This is just so fake.

[iraonavp]

I literally don't understand why Performer and (I think) iraonavp are puzzled by my scum read on FB at this point. Just to reiterate:

I like joining wagons.
Wagons are fun:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I think Snarky may be town.

How are people coming to this conclusion?
I read his ISO, it wasn't even filled with town AtE, it was just AtE. How can anyone read this on motivation or tone.

I TONE READ PEOPLE AND CAN TELL YOU I DONT SENSE A TOWN TONE!

This isn't scum? Seriously?

I think the first quote you posted is scum-aligned, but the second one looks somewhat town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Because I am town?

BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT

Yume's post is pretty bad, I agree. Not as bad as Fraggernaut's post though.

[iraonavp]

@KAAG

Here's the issue I have with your argument.

Something_Smart, Ozgin, Slandaar = town
iraonavp, killthestory, Performer = prob!town
Guy/Replace, Yume, Kuroi, ilikebugs, DGB = unclear
Aristo, Frag = scummy
Drixx, FB = scum

Those are your most updated reads from your 1935

In the world where you think I'm mafia, alongside Drixx & Fire means you believe I as mafia would hard defend my partner Drixx throughout day one, day two & day three openly. It also means you believe I would hard defend Fire late day two, call him a PR which I read him as & then continue to express my belief that Fire is a PR & defend them into day three. Which is implausible & extremely dumb if I was actually mafia, which I'm not.

What Fraggernaut is telling us here is that we should not lynch either of Drixx or Firebringer after he flips scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Fraggernaut is lying and scum-aligned.

My role doesn't allow me to visit anyone.

[iraonavp]

It's obvious that he only claimed now because he was about to get lynched. He would've immediately claimed the result on day 2 if he was what he claims to be, especially after nobody wanted to lynch me.

I'm town ascetic enabler. So there is almost certainly an ascetic role in this setup.

[iraonavp]

Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid

We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.

Don't vig me though. I am a PR of such extreme importance that it cannot be described in words. When I received my role PM, I could barely believe that the mods would add such a severely overpowered role into the game. On it's own my role could probably restore world peace.

This was a sarcastic semi-crumb.

[iraonavp]

He's not telling the truth though. Fraggernaut obviously wins trading 1-for-1 if he's going to be lynched anyway.

[iraonavp]

If he really wanted another night to use his ability and to attempt to get some kind of information about other players, then he would've claimed at the start of d3, not at L-2.

[iraonavp]

I don't know, but why would I kill pisskop since I know I'm town-aligned?

[iraonavp]

^ Correct.

Just read the claim. Too many over justifications, but I'll sheep the Guilty.
Ascetic are annoying anyway.

VOTE: Iraon

Uggh, this was at Drixx.
Got Ninja'd

Do you even think that I'm scum-aligned?

You sound like you don't believe it even here.

[iraonavp]

I am holding my claim, I hard claim & I will never rescind.

There is no way Fraggernaut would say this if he was telling the truth.

[iraonavp]

I don't know, but why would I kill pisskop since I know I'm town-aligned?

Well, if we go by the theory that you are town aligned, you wouldn't because your role has no visiting/killing aspect.
So it is only if you are lying, and thus scum, that you could have killed him.
Therefore this post is pointless.

Indeed. I was drawing a comparison to this post:

Why would I trade one for one since I know I'm town? I know you visited pisskop the night they died, & I used that information to discern someone else's alignment as well.

[iraonavp]

^ Correct.

Just read the claim. Too many over justifications, but I'll sheep the Guilty.
Ascetic are annoying anyway.

VOTE: Iraon

Uggh, this was at Drixx.
Got Ninja'd

Do you even think that I'm scum-aligned?

You sound like you don't believe it even here.

Not by play really.
But I tend to sheep claimed guilties, and I see no reason not to in this instance.

The fact that he's obviously lying should be a reason not to sheep it?

That's a ridiculous policy.

[iraonavp]

I was town-aligned, good luck.

[iraonavp]

Fraggernaut should've been lynched on day 1. The one time this town actually manages to wagon a scum-aligned player instead of a lurker, they just fakeclaim and get an extra day.