Mini 1764: Netherspite's SORM III [Game Over]

[Ranger]

I'm supposed to read 33 pages in one day?

Uh.

That's probably not happening.

I suppose I should say that in this game if we haven't already we'll be massclaiming, but given deadline it'd be too late for today. (It'd need to happen on D3.)

[Ranger]

Srry anen, but I wont be prodded today! (Or tomorrow)

Quick look at this page says this is probably a good bet for scum, though.
And Yargami's a decent bet for town.
Aneninen might be town, too, but that's not as sure a guess.

VOTE: Aronis.

[Ranger]

{Yargami}
{Aneninen, SnarkySnowman}
{Aristophanes, randomidget, FA_Q2}
{shos, Aronis}

One.

[Ranger]

{Yargami}
{Aneninen, SnarkySnowman}
{Aristophanes, randomidget, FA_Q2}
{shos, Aronis}

Nothing changed as of five.

[Ranger]

{Yargami}
{Aneninen, SnarkySnowman, 3dicerolling}
{Aristophanes, randomidget, FA_Q2}
{shos, Aronis}

Seven.

[Ranger]

{Yargami}
{Aneninen, SnarkySnowman, 3dicerolling, FA_Q2}
{Aristophanes, randomidget}
{shos, Aronis}

Calling it a night at ten.
But uh, yeah.
Aristophanes wagon would probably not be the best, though I'll need to read all 23 other pages to confirm. (That tier's my null tier.)
I'm town, so that wagon's bad, too.

shos is definitely scum here, though. So's Aronis. Lynch should be one of them, guarantee you'll hit scum.

[Ranger]

(It'd be more accurate to say: nulltown tier, actually.)

[Ranger]

Kinda getting the vibe we got two neutral benigns in the game, but will figure that out as I go.
If so, that does mean I need one more. (2 mafia+SK.)

Basically everyone else feels town-or-not-scum right now except shos and Aronis. Which means one higher read is wrong, will sort tomorrow if I have the time.

[Ranger]

Actually.
VOTE: shos.
He has a vote on him at least.

[Ranger]

Ranger's catchup is about content-looking lists without any kind of reasoning.

Listing

is

content.
The lack of reasons is a deliberate choice, for multiple reasons. Among them being laziness: why do I need to give reasons when people are following my vote anyway? It's a waste of time and effort.

As far as I can remember it was only me who posted there must be an SK.

The setup demands it. There's a Neutral Killing role. There's three mafia. Two people died at night: one was Firebringer, the second a mafiate. It therefore follows that the second kill comes from the SK. It doesn't have to be an SK, could also be the mass murderer, but it's not an arsonist. Simple logic.

Ranger's list is literally the most popular scumreads as scum and the most popular town reads as town.

Which I could know...how? Literally have read nothing except this page and the first ten pages.

also I am wondering how ranger came to the conclusion that there 2 benign indies when he has only read this page or did I miss something.

This comes from a natural extension of my reads: if there were 2 neutral evils rather than 2 neutral benigns, I'd expect to see more players who actually look scummy. I go by the assumption that neutral evils are going to look more like scum than like town, whereas neutral benigns are going to look more like town than like scum. Since the majority of players this game look town, the natural conclusion from this is that the majority of players are playing that more town-looking game, ergo, neutral benigns, not neutral evils.

[Ranger]

'm an investigative role, and I targetted Aronis. The result suggests he might be Jester. pretty sure I've said this already.

I do not buy this claim at all.

[Ranger]

Actually, snarky may be a jester.

Neutral benign for sure. Rain check on which kind, need to check Snarky's vote history, gimme a sec.

[Ranger]

Eh, Snarky could be a lyncher, which would make shos town I think?

Mod: is the target of a lyncher always town-aligned?

UNVOTE: shos.

[Ranger]

Well then.
VOTE: shos.

[Ranger]

Could you explain the thought process which made you unvote and then revote?

If the target of the lyncher could only be town, then you would by necessity be town because Snarky as a lyncher clearly has you as a target.

The mod confirmed lynchers can have a target of any alignment, though, thus, you are not cleared as town.
I don't care about letting SnarkySnowman win if SnarkySnowman's lynch target is scum. Which I think is the case.

[Ranger]

I still do not see a case on him.

Every post he's made has been ridiculously fake tonality-wise.
Seriously, iso him.
There's nothing genuine about anything he's said.

Maybe in the 20 pages I haven't read there's some gap which makes him town, but from what I've read? First ten, plus the current pages? All says scum just flapping around.

I am willing to lynch snarky, Aronis, rando and possibly ranger depending on the next few pages.

Eh, randomidget

could

be scum, but the only one among those that is definitely scum is Aronis.

Snarky is confirmed neutral benign: he's harmless. There's literally nothing to gain from lynching him; it's counter-productive and wastes a lynch. I am also town.

[Ranger]

Works for me.
VOTE: Aronis.

[Ranger]

{Yargami}
{Aneninen, SnarkySnowman, 3dicerolling, FA_Q2}

Remember this?
It's now {Yargami, SnarkySnowman, Aneninen, FA_Q2}
{3dicerolling}

SnarkySnowman moves up because while

technically

speaking he's not town, he's a neutral benign: harmless. FA_Q2 moves up because I've

really

liked his posting on the recent pages. Anen moves up because of Xkfyu.

[Ranger]

...Okay, so maybe that'd not be accurate. Anen is, 100%, not group scum.
He is also a major townread.
He could still theoretically be a serial killer, though, so is not in the top-tier of town.

So, the full list would be:
{Yargami, SnarkySnowman, FA_Q2}
{Aneninen}
{3dicerolling} (still townread, but nothing's changed my opinion there at all)
{Aristophanes, randomidget}
{shos, Aronis}

[Ranger]

{Yargami, SnarkySnowman, FA_Q2}
{Aneninen}
{3dicerolling}
{randomidget}
{Aristophanes}
{shos, Aronis}
randomidget moves up for the same reason Anen did, not groupscum, but the townread there is

much

weaker than on Aneninen.

[Ranger]

So page 14 makes it obvious Aronis isn't group-scum, but he's still probably the serial killer as a result, soyeah.

[Ranger]

Why are you guys unvoting aronis? :(

This is one of the few reasons I'm not voting aronis. This is a really town minded statement and it holds truth here.

3dice, I'm expecting that someone called you out on this immediate switch at the time, and am going to continue reading to look for said question and your answer.

If I find none, well.

I'm demanding an answer now.

[Ranger]

380 in particular is concerning to me.

[Ranger]

This is a mental note to recheck past games with 3dice, in particular How To Be Normal.

Getting caught up in the game's slightly more important than meta right now, but it's something I definitely need to look at.

[Ranger]

(Also if it helps, 393 shows I'm not groupscum, soyeah, don't lynch me.)

[Ranger]

18.

I was wrong.

3dice is scum. With shos, and having been with Xkfyu.

[Ranger]

19.

Scumread on 3dice grows stronger.
Compare: 458 from FA_Q2 is a town reason for having suspected Rory. It was

wrong

, but it was still a solid push.
To this:

And I'm very certain if he was town citizen he would have outright claimed it.
VOTE: Rory

3dice is being lazy, opportunistic scum, pushing the lynch most convenient as it comes up. And shos is his partner.

[Ranger]

For those keeping track:
{Yargami, SnarkySnowman, FA_Q2}
{Aneninen}
{randomidget}
{Aristophanes}
{Aronis}
{shos, 3dicerolling}

shos is scum, probably a scum investigative. So his claimed role is probably truthful, but his result's questionable.
3dicerolling is scum, probably the Godfather.

Aronis may or may not be the serial killer, depending on whether shos was telling the truth with his result or not. I still think he's scum of some sort. He's definitely not town though.
Aristophanes and randomidget are candidates for filling in the gaps of non-town players, though one of them is still definitely town. (Because we have five non-town, SnarkySnowman is one of them, and that leaves four left, when I have a pool of {shos, 3dicerolling, Aronis, Aristophanes, randomidget}.)

If I could, I'd lynch shos.
If not, 3dice.
Aronis is not the best lynch option available, but seems to be the only realistic lynch we can achieve that has any true chance of being on a non-town player.

[Ranger]

I targetted Aronis.

I'm expecting some sort of explanation for this contradiction too, else you guys should have run shos up.

[Ranger]

I'm so dumb, I forgot to submit my night action :(

I call absolute BS on this, by the way.
This is the godfather making up an excuse.

[Ranger]

You know what.
Screw it.

VOTE: 3dicerolling.
I don't want to lynch Aronis.
At worst, he's a neutral. I'm starting to second-guess that off of his D2 play along with the shos result which

is

more likely than not a truthful claim, since lying would do him little good.
At best, he's actually town.

In either case, he's not scum.

3dice is.

[Ranger]

Though shos apparently still has support?
VOTE: shos.

My vote will not leave from those two.
I will lynch shos, I will lynch 3dice, but I will not be voting anyone else.

[Ranger]

Xy's interactions with Aneninen are not sitting well with me.

I actually got the opposite impression: Xkfyu's interactions with Aneninen suggested they are

not

scum together. I do agree about Aronis, though! (Which is another reason not to lynch him, since he cannot be groupscum, meaning

at absolute best

he'd be a serial killer if shos lied about his result. But that best-case scenario is only possible if shos is scum, in which case, we...lynch shos first.)

[Ranger]

I can get behind 605.
randomidget hasn't been

as

strongly town to me as to Aneninen, but I certainly am not getting bad vibes, either.

[Ranger]

His interactions with 3-Dice seems to be genuine. (I won't quote that, it's very long.)

This is the only point Aneninen made that I disagree with: I'm fairly convinced they're scumbuddies.

Do a triple-iso of 3dicerolling, Xkfyu, and shos. Their interactions are all very forced, and they all fit the same profile for scum players contributing very little and making weak pushes which focus on other players: they vote each other, but immediately find excuses to remove said votes and look elsewhere.

[Ranger]

650 reinforces my point: shos attacked droog (who is Aristophanes), but let 3dicerolling basically go free.

[Ranger]

Aronis you are the worst jester ever.

No, that honor belongs to me. :P

(I'm sorry, I had to.)

[Ranger]

Do you even read?

Yes, I do.
My reading is increasingly solidifying my opinions.

I believe your investigation was real. You have no reason to lie about targeting Aronis. Your reasons for targeting Aronis could even be true, too! Scum have good reason to hunt for the SK and other neutrals, namely, to identify, manipulate, or eliminate them.

I do not believe you are town for the investigation.
I also no longer believe Aronis is scum. Not a serial killer by your own result. Not groupscum from interactions. Probably not a neutral benign since there's hints of good play from Aronis suggesting not a jester, and no obvious lynch target so not a lyncher, yet also no visit so not amnesiac. The only neutral benign Aronis could be, then, is survivor. Aronis could also not be most of the neutral evils: not a witch, not an auditor, not a cultist, and probably not a judge, either (since there was no message during the night). As a result, Aronis is probably town.

So I'm not going to support that lynch anymore.

The lynch today should be either you, or 3dicerolling.
And, heck!
You yourself admitted the claim of not submitting an action is suspicious, yet while Aristophanes is in your lynch pool, you've removed 3dice from consideration altogether and nothing I've seen from you has justified that.

[Ranger]

Caught up.

{Yargami, SnarkySnowman, FA_Q2, Aneninen}
{Aronis}
{randomidget}
{Aristophanes}
{shos, 3dicerolling}

I'm comfortable with Aneninen being town, so he gets to go back up. (Honestly shoulda done that a long time ago.)

Aristophanes

could

be the SK here from simple POE alone, but he's not groupscum. I'd vote there if absolutely necessary (actually, I'm going to bed soon and won't be around for deadline, so that's a lie, though it's true I'd be willing), but I wouldn't be happy about it.

[Ranger]

Probably the worst town game I've ever had, but at least I can write it as not technically being a town game.

[Ranger]

(Yes, town game. Because I was aiming for scum during the day and if I had survived would also have been aiming for scum during the night.)

[Ranger]

Real good?

I thought you (tracker) and 3dicerolling (doctor) were the scumteam.

I mean, I suppose I got you sharing an alignment right, but I happened to choose the wrong way.

For a serial killer, not the end of the world, but for a serial killer who was playing more town than scum, far from great play. It helped antagonize the entire town against me, and scum obviously had no qualms about lynching me, so playing the way I did just helped ensure I was lynched. :/

[Ranger]

Both blitzes, interestingly, were also town wins.
They also both had me in them.

Moral of the story: if you want town to win the SORM game, have Ranger as a player. She doesn't even have to be town-aligned, just

have

her in the game. :P