New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Fraggernaut]

@Slandaar Sure I could agree to a extent I guess that scum would be more likely to appeal to town to appear town.

@ Golden Robster What's the difference between grasping at straws for a scum pool over you grasping at straws for town reads?

@ Egg I've only seen his town game in a previous game I modded, where Golden Robster was Jail Keeper. In that game he didn't shit post much at all, & towards the end was a key factor in getting town the victory over a scum-sided team which also included pisskop. This game has been so much different then the game I modded where Robster provided town good information as well as good logic. This game, he's provided none of that nor has tried to lead town which makes me wonder heavily about them.

[Golden Robster]

@ Golden Robster What's the difference between grasping at straws for a scum pool over you grasping at straws for town reads?

reverse scumhunting d1 for some solid townreads

the number of town > the number of scum

[Creature]

Creature, you said "here we go" on Page 1. I was mostly trying to figure out if that had to do with anything specific or if it was the game starting in general. And if it was general, was it meant with excitement for the game starting or was it more of a concern for something that may have been coming.

Yeah, it was about the game starting in general. I wasn't that excited though.

Hello Creature.

but I didn't see him bothering to even answer his own questions.

Why would I do that?

I mean that you could share what do you think rather than asking some of the questions.

[SirCakez]

Creature do something. Even Snarky is being more useful then you.
Slandaar is a stinky wagon.

If Slandaar is a stinky wagon, then what is a good wagon for you? Slandaar has only asked questions so far, but I didn't see him bothering to even answer his own questions. I don't mind pushing him, even if there's a Golden Robster voting him.

Also, why were you referencing Snarky?

I think some votes may force the issue.

VOTE: Creature

What about you? Do you have your own opinions? If your only post is an opportunistic vote, then there's something wrong with you.

Creature, wanna answer my question? Also, any thoughts on the game? Reads on Jam and Ness? Thoughts on their wagons?

Do you think there's something wrong with post #9? I had no intention behind that post. I am waiting the game go on a bit, I'll slowly take a look.

So far:
Ness - Typical panicking. Well, so far his behavior matches with his scum play, but I need to take a look at his town behavior and see what matches more.
Jam - Newbscum for me. I see hesitation on his initial posts to accuse someone, I also think he's pretending to be stupid. His vote on Golden seems sheepy (sheeping Snarky).

Jam

How much experience do you have in Mafia?

Jam, Irao are good wagons.
Snarky is someone who typically lurks so mentioned him as a comparison.

Ness still reads town to me, I like the motivation behind Ozgin's big post on him but I don't agree with it.

[SirCakez]

k then, i'm going to take the bait and ask, why is it a stinky wagon?

Because nothing he's posted has given me scum vibes.

[SirCakez]

Ilikebug - wagons are pro-town and drive the game forward.
Creature, you're ItsMeCreature from the TOS forums ya?

[Creature]

Yes, I am. Although, I am more active in this forums (for some reason).

[SirCakez]

Ok so Creature knows what happens when people are terrified to make wagons and early votes. On the TOS forums, often people just flop around all day until it comes to deadline because they're all scared of early votes and wagons for some reason (still love playing there though :p) and then there's a panic wagon. That's why wagons are good, so people can actually focus somewhere and get things done.

[Killthestory]

ye i can understand him having the pansy mentality since literally all of them are pansies there

[jam]

Jam, what is your read on Ness?

I scumread Ness, as mentioned before. Aside from his first 2, every one of his posts have been in defense of himself, quoting others, arguing. Seems over the top to me.

Creature do something. Even Snarky is being more useful then you.
Slandaar is a stinky wagon.

If Slandaar is a stinky wagon, then what is a good wagon for you? Slandaar has only asked questions so far, but I didn't see him bothering to even answer his own questions. I don't mind pushing him, even if there's a Golden Robster voting him.

Also, why were you referencing Snarky?

I think some votes may force the issue.

VOTE: Creature

What about you? Do you have your own opinions? If your only post is an opportunistic vote, then there's something wrong with you.

Creature, wanna answer my question? Also, any thoughts on the game? Reads on Jam and Ness? Thoughts on their wagons?

Do you think there's something wrong with post #9? I had no intention behind that post. I am waiting the game go on a bit, I'll slowly take a look.

So far:
Ness - Typical panicking. Well, so far his behavior matches with his scum play, but I need to take a look at his town behavior and see what matches more.
Jam - Newbscum for me. I see hesitation on his initial posts to accuse someone, I also think he's pretending to be stupid. His vote on Golden seems sheepy (sheeping Snarky).

Jam

How much experience do you have in Mafia?

I used to play quite a bit of f2f mafia a few years ago, but that is completely different from forum-based, not even the same game really. Online, I have played 2 games before on another site.
I will take the pretending to be stupid comment as an insult, but don't really care much. Also, provide some specific examples instead of being vague. You think I sheeped snarky after literally all he posted was "fuck it lets vote"? My vote wasn't serious regardless.

Now, rereading GR and Slandaar, it seems to me that GR by voting Slandaar and telling others to vote him, he was trying to get Slandaar to post more and react a bit. It seems justified and it worked, I guess. I am currently null on GR and slight scum on Slandaar, but he hasn't really been posting.

So, VOTE: ness.

[N e s s]

Mod, VL/A until saturday or 48 hours from now. I have a school project due tomorrow.

[Egg]

Creature, how many games have you played? Do you prefer being town or scum? Does being scum make you feel more nervous or confident (or if you've never been scum, which do you think would be true)?

Frag, meta isn't very useful if you haven't seen Goldrob's scum game. There are too many variables that could change his play so without evidence suggesting his scum game usually looks like this, it's near impossible to say he's scum on that basis alone.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

How about the fact that Ness is still logged in 4 hours after wanting V/LA due to school work?

I'm sure it's perfectly innocent.

In other news,

more votes are requested on the Ness wagon.

We'll get some non-defensive posts if it's the last thing we do!

In other other news, quite liking killthestory for town.

[Fraggernaut]

@Egg

True. Typically I don't like using META to try to discern alignment. META is too easily manipulated. I was only stating that this isn't what I've seen Golden Robster do as town, so it seems pretty weird to me.

[Fraggernaut]

Also the Ness V/LA did come at a pretty convenient time, but I don't know if that's alingment indicative

[Mafiaturtle]

Ness' V/LA came at a very convenient time, and flat out doesn't make sense.

"School project due tomorrow"

V/LA for 48 hours

I'm sorry? Last I checked, tomorrow is less than 48 hours away.

Not to mention that in #237 KAAG says Ness was still on hours after the V/LA was declared. Could have been a browser left open, but ness just climbed to the top of my list for scum, because of that and the other reasons I mentioned. He also seems to be playing kinda frantic, which was mentioned before by others.

VOTE: Ness

[Egg]

Nah meta is fine in general. I'm just not sure it applies here.

Are we seriously questioning the legitimacy of a V/LA?

[Axl_Rose]

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With 21 Alive, it's 11 to Lynch!

Mod Notes:

"Since I don't have you"

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  Boonskiies
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  Ozgin
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  Kop
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  Killthestory
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  N e s s
  — Ilikebugs, Killthestory, KickAssAndGiggle, Ozgin, jam, Mafiaturtle
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  pisskop
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  Performer
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  Mafiaturtle
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  Ilikebugs
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  SirCakez
  — Creature
  
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  Creature
  — Egg, Kop
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  GuyFawkes
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  Something_Smart
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  Egg
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  Slandaar
  — Golden Robster
  
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  jam
  — SirCakez, pisskop, GuyFawkes
  
  (1)
  iraonavp
  — Fraggernaut
  
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  Golden Robster
  — Boonskiies, SnarkySnowman
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  KickAssAndGiggle
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  Fraggernaut
  — iraonavp
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  SnarkySnowman
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  [Not Voting]
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  Performer, Slandaar, N e s s, Something_Smart

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[Axl_Rose]

Ness has requested replacement due to time constraints. We will begin searching for one immediately!

[Fraggernaut]

Nah meta is fine in general. I'm just not sure it applies here.

Are we seriously questioning the legitimacy of a V/LA?

It's just odd that they've gone V/LA when their wagon was picking up, & then are online hours later when they cited a school project as the reason for needing a V/LA for 48 hours. I think in this instance you kind of have to take a look at it. I've seen scum before in games I read use V/LA to avoid pressure or to avoid being a late day lynch.

Pedit: Now the replacement doesn't make things any better.

[Fraggernaut]

I believe this pressure has to happen now

VOTE: Ness

[Egg]

Interesting. In approximately 300 games over the last 8 years, I don't recall ever seeing scum fake a V/LA. I wouldn't stress it now anyway though because strategically replacing out is modkillable and bannable so if there's any evidence he faked it, we'll never even see the replacement.

[Fraggernaut]

If it's actually mod killable & it hasn't happen then

UNVOTE:

[Egg]

To be fair, it would have to be proven first. Also doesn't mean he's town if not modkilled. Scum can get busy too.

[Fraggernaut]

Well there's a wagon on them, so I guess we'll have to wait for the replacement to get anything from them.