Mini 1784: Mafia Z – Game Over


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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:04 am

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In post 5, chilledtea wrote:VOTE: Dystopian Vision

Titus is always scum.

I'm not titus

VOTE: chilledtea

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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:46 am

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In post 12, itlepip wrote:VOTE: ChilledteaVOTE:

:P careful that I spell it right


Even my hungover ass knows you formatted it wrong.

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Post Post #21 (isolation #2) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:48 am

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Vodka shots for all.

I am pretty sure Cakey is not mafia for what it's worth. Cakey wouldn't push the "Titus is always scum" RVS vote tell as chilledtea's partner.

UT likely isn't WW given his vote and pip then hammering.

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Post Post #23 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:55 am

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I did. Here you go RC. I can't drink em anyway. :(

Thoughts on my reads?

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Post Post #27 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:12 am

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I believe so.

UT, thoughts on Cakey? Your wagon?

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Post Post #31 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:16 am

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This game is small enough where two votes = a wagon.

Why don't you agree with the reasoning on Cakey?
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Post Post #35 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:21 am

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That tells me you don't understand the Titus is always scum RVS tell.

The last three games (including this one) someone voted me or my slot stating Titus is always scum, the voter has been scum. Cakey saying the wagon on chilledtea being legit then is Cakey noticing and applying the pattern and NOT an RVS vote.
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Post Post #36 (isolation #7) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:22 am

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Or Cakey just totally RVSed and I read into that...:/

Pedits...
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Post Post #40 (isolation #8) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:31 am

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Here I was thinking my comments in that one game...were remembered and applied and followed.

I am just going to sit over here and pout now. :(
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Post Post #41 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:32 am

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P.S. Cakey totally could have ran with that as scum though so weak townread on Cakey.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #10) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:59 am

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Error error computation bug

Says UT votecwas bad, agreeing with prior case. Case only flows for UT as mafia. RC says to look for last mafia.

I don't get it.
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Post Post #48 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:16 pm

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VOTE: RC

Rather than explaining what I was seeing, you felt threatened and vote me.

There is no response that makes your post make sense is there?
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Post Post #53 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:58 pm

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In post 38, RadiantCowbells wrote:What is dis moonlogic tho.

Mafia is barely a game of science. Three counts of it happening is pretty significant for the sake of a page 2 read.

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Post Post #54 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:00 pm

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lol i'm late to the party
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Post Post #56 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:03 pm

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In post 29, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 27, Dystopian Vision wrote:Your wagon?

two votes isn't a wagon, but I'm not surprised given that itl flipped as scum and my vote superficially looks like me trying to start a counterwagon (ended up being on scum though, so HA)

You were starting a wagon in response to a wagon. How is that "superficially" a counterwagon?

This post also looks like distancing
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Post Post #57 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:04 pm

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Are we all just going to ignore kts posting or
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Post Post #66 (isolation #16) » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:28 pm

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In post 59, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 56, Dystopian Vision wrote:
In post 29, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 27, Dystopian Vision wrote:Your wagon?

two votes isn't a wagon, but I'm not surprised given that itl flipped as scum and my vote superficially looks like me trying to start a counterwagon (ended up being on scum though, so HA)

You were starting a wagon in response to a wagon. How is that "superficially" a counterwagon?

This post also looks like distancing

the key difference is that I wasn't voting to stop an RVS wagon but rather to express an actual scumread on one player who I was actually scumreading.

distancing from...what exactly?

Distancing from itlepip
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Post Post #114 (isolation #17) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:32 am

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In post 93, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, she had no sense of irony about my immediate vote on her.
If she recognized it for the troll it was then I would expect her not to vote me or react much at all.
If she thought I was serious I'd expect her to see it as tantamount to a scumclaim and start trying to powerlynch me.

So yeah, I'm not a huge fan of that slot.

If you've played with Titus before you know that tone isn't one of her strong points.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:33 am

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In post 99, Fate wrote:READ PLS

I don't understand how you can vote for UT and still push this

But yes I got the itlepip and chilledtea slots backwards
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Post Post #117 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:35 am

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In post 115, RadiantCowbells wrote:I agree.

But I explained why I thought her reaction was off for \serious\ mode as well.

Bai.

Wouldn't talking in xyz "mode" correspond to tone?
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Post Post #118 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:47 am

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Fate is using a lot of words to push UT but actually looking through their ISO I don't see a coherent case.

VOTE: Fate
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Post Post #128 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:30 am

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Page 5 was by me

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Post Post #143 (isolation #22) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:55 pm

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In post 141, Killthestory wrote:Alright, sorry for the inactivity. I'm going to explain my naked vote on Kill now, and hopefully analyze others.

Kill has literally done nothing this game. Literally nothing. Now, I know it's slightly hypocritical coming from me, but I intend to change that. For the current moment, I think that Kill should have a wagon. He's literally getting it off easy because he's joke posting. Joke posting is NOT alignment indicative at all. The meta surrounding it is, but the content itself is not. Anyway, regarding meta, I've played with Kill on a different site before. Typically, Kill tried to promote getting serious early on. I'm getting no sense of that here at all. Not at all. He's literally just disrupting town's conversations and talks with stupid posts that have no meaning.

Then don't get even get me started on that OMGUS. He needs to do something or replace out. Honestly

this game isn't bastard right

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Post Post #146 (isolation #23) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:29 pm

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Ok I like Bob and cakey.

RC I wish would die but the case against UT is compelling. RC is bloating the thread with crap. On the one hand, he's throwing out crap to try ad deliberately confuse me and then gets upset when I get confused? Yeah no.

Fate's lean townie. I need to talk with Flub about what he was trying to say there.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #24) » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:29 pm

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Kill, thoughts on UT?
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Post Post #182 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:09 pm

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Drunk Titus here.

So you claim no results when you checked Fate?

So that leaves Ascetic fate (who would be scum BC no claim in first post) or a blocker right?

I am drunk Titus out of communication with my hydra so apologies in advance for dumb shit.

Ask questions if you want but simple shit only. Too drunk for complex shit and when I come down I will be sleepy.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:10 pm

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P.s. I don't buy your claim UT but I want reactions to drunk me so weeee
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Post Post #214 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:41 pm

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In post 206, Untrod Tripod wrote:from purely a setup-spec perspective:

that would be a really bad idea as that could very easily end up with a no-win scenario for both scum factions because of massclaims. RCs suggestion is far more likely than "throw in a bunch of docs and roleblockers and bps"

If scum has a role-cop they would be able to tailor their claim to what the setup looks like

I don't think that's an unreasonable role to assume
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Post Post #216 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:46 pm

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In post 200, yessiree bob wrote:
In post 192, Untrod Tripod wrote:wait shit you're right, I was confusing that with ascetic

unvote


there is no way someone of your caliber can make low level mistakes like confusing the interpretation of "not mafia" and "no result"

it also doesn't make sense for there to be an ascetic mafia and not godfather when there is a cop that specifically cops for mafia

here's out tinfoil theory, there was only 1 night kill last night, most likely because the werewolf was roleblocked

UT knew he was roleblocked, so he lied about being a cop and getting "no result" to dismantle his wagon


so can we go back and vote scum thanks
VOTE: UT

No you don't get to call one confusion a town slip and another confusion a scum slip

"skill" isn't a good enough excuse

Very weary of the UT wagon even as it's dying down
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Post Post #217 (isolation #29) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:47 pm

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Well you've read the posts I've written as coming from Titus which is probably why

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Post Post #218 (isolation #30) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:47 pm

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also UNVOTE:
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Post Post #229 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:12 pm

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In post 219, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 214, Dystopian Vision wrote:
In post 206, Untrod Tripod wrote:from purely a setup-spec perspective:

that would be a really bad idea as that could very easily end up with a no-win scenario for both scum factions because of massclaims. RCs suggestion is far more likely than "throw in a bunch of docs and roleblockers and bps"

If scum has a role-cop they would be able to tailor their claim to what the setup looks like

I don't think that's an unreasonable role to assume

...what? how does a role-cop negate a bunch of cross protecting and role blocking and bulletproofing?

It doesn't. It gives scum more information they can use to maneuver around a mass claim with
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Post Post #230 (isolation #32) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:14 pm

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In post 221, yessiree bob wrote:
In post 216, Dystopian Vision wrote:No you don't get to call one confusion a town slip and another confusion a scum slip

you're grouping the two as if they are the same thing; they are not

there's a drastic difference between mistaking a player with another, and misinterpreting the implications of a negative result and a no result.

You're going to have to spell it out because I'm not seeing it
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Post Post #231 (isolation #33) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:16 pm

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RC, to my knowledge, a part of your scum read on this slot still comes from you thinking Titus sounded weird, when that posting was actually me
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Post Post #232 (isolation #34) » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:16 pm

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-Flub
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Post Post #245 (isolation #35) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:35 am

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Titus head vla until Tuesday
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Post Post #305 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:20 am

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In post 252, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 250, SirCakez wrote:This game really needs a third flip.

ftfy

This is a good post
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Post Post #306 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:23 am

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In post 280, Untrod Tripod wrote:===========[]

Uhh how do you go from challenging "we need a flip" to having no suspicion as to how fast that wagon just stacked on Cakez?
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Post Post #307 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:25 am

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In post 296, Fate wrote:
In post 66, Dystopian Vision wrote:
In post 59, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 56, Dystopian Vision wrote:
In post 29, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 27, Dystopian Vision wrote:Your wagon?

two votes isn't a wagon, but I'm not surprised given that itl flipped as scum and my vote superficially looks like me trying to start a counterwagon (ended up being on scum though, so HA)

You were starting a wagon in response to a wagon. How is that "superficially" a counterwagon?

This post also looks like distancing

the key difference is that I wasn't voting to stop an RVS wagon but rather to express an actual scumread on one player who I was actually scumreading.

distancing from...what exactly?

Distancing from itlepip


Mostly the read of UT as werewolf just seems fabricated and BS. I've said this before but it doesn't feel like a natural at all read to have. Itlepip puts someone at L-1 and UT immediately comes in and tries to pain the wagon on mafia guy as RVS and start a REAL one on his partner? Just seems like something they made up without thinking it through to have a read today.

Their exchange with RC was also off, and then they go on to vote ME because they didn't like how I was pushing UT? Like where did there read on UT go? They are just conveniently swapping votes with reasons on the spot, its scum behavior. The dissonance between the heads in thread is even more of a reason for them to be able to move their vote around conveniently.

I told you I got chilledtea and itlepip confused and you wonder why nobody is listening to you?

I'm not repeating myself on RC. I want you to look for it
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Post Post #308 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:27 am

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In post 303, SirCakez wrote:I was thinking about 6v3v1 actually.
5v3v2 is unlikely.

I'm pretty sure we can lynch scum every day and still lose with that balance
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Post Post #309 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:28 am

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I want to talk to fate before anyone hammers

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Post Post #313 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:38 pm

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In post 310, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 306, Dystopian Vision wrote:
In post 280, Untrod Tripod wrote:===========[]

Uhh how do you go from challenging "we need a flip" to having no suspicion as to how fast that wagon just stacked on Cakez?

it's almost like you didn't even read what I was posting and were just looking for something to say

Are you accusing me of taking this out of context?

That doesn't explain your push for Cakez to claim
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Post Post #339 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:59 pm

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In post 333, RadiantCowbells wrote:ftr sircakez isn't a policy lynch I genuinely think he's a top scum pick.

In post 334, RadiantCowbells wrote:but we can do better for today I think.

VOTE: Dytopian Vision

In post 328, Fate wrote:oh RC has been V/LA that explains about half the apathy

DV lurking during this time is even worse


Let's see here.

RC doesn't correct this mistake (honest or scum TBD) by Fate despite me being vla in this game and site wide.

Says Sir Cakes is scum, but thinks "we can do better".

Why hasn't RC been lynched or called out for this crap?
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Post Post #340 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:00 pm

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Oh my vla is over today but in no way was I "lurking".
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Post Post #342 (isolation #44) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:03 pm

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No. Fate's thoughts were based on me "lurking" which you knew to be wrong and did nothing to correct.

Town don't let town believe false things. Scum do. Particularly to mislynch town.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:09 pm

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And that's why you're scum.

You're going after me, regardless of evidence or logic or anything. I am a pocket scumread. Who cares about Titus's alignment, you can lynch me anyway.

That's not town thinking.

Can we finally lynch RC now?
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Post Post #345 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:10 pm

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Oh we aren't voting RC.

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells
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Post Post #347 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:15 pm

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Oh flub mentioned something about reads list

Cakey - Town (way he reacted to me pushing him being not mafia was townie)
Fate - Lean town but little minor nag doubts
UT - Not WW, maybe maf, given he's not ww most likely little desire to lynch
I like Bob on a gut level. Different from his scum game but it's ancient

RC is scum.

That's where I am at.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:45 am

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In post 314, Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm accusing you of not actually understanding the two things you're comparing

what does the wagon on Cakez have to do with him saying "we need a flip" and me seeing that as a scumtell? other than absolutely nothing of course.

You're pushing on the wagon with no regard to how fast it built. It comes off as you wanting a flip for the sake of a flip, but for obvious reasons you can't go out and say that

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Post Post #358 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:29 am

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In post 352, Untrod Tripod wrote:there's almost definitely only one more scum left on each team so that eliminates the possibility of a scum-driven speedwagon....

I don't see how. An opportunistic lynch benefits both scum factions.
In post 353, Untrod Tripod wrote:and that's irrelevant to me because I have a scumread on SC so I want him to die

scum was speedwagoned on D1, I don't see how a fast wagon is necessarily going to be on town now?

Well like you said, there's probably only one scum in each team. So if the wagon is on scum, it's going to be slower because there's only one scum that can contribute to it.
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Post Post #359 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:29 am

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Post Post #360 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:31 am

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I like zfiend for scum

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Post Post #416 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:28 pm

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zefiend, stupid =/= scum. I'd bet bottom dollar Cakey is town. Cakey would also vote RC as scum here too. Fate is right on that.

RC is the scum here.

This Cakey wagon is bad. Cakey could almost claim scum and I'd let him live.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:41 pm

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In post 417, RadiantCowbells wrote:lol.
this is the point where I can legitimately say that you're not even trying to change my mind.
am I right?


You are. Why bother to try and convince scum of anything. I'm talking with town. If you care to actually engage the game, good for you.

If not, that's the way you wanted to play scum.

Amazing how you have no thoughts on Cakey yourself...
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Post Post #459 (isolation #54) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:21 am

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In post 445, SirCakez wrote:I believe that then. Doubting Titus's claim now.
Three Investigative seems like a lot for a 10p game so pretty sure UT, RC and DV aren't all town.

I don't see the problem with that setup considering the scum numbers.

RC fake claiming to get the lynch he wants wouldn't be much of a shocker either

Fate wrote:RC's claim is consistent with his play.

DV"s is NOT

also the conclusion that "SirCakez is town" based on going nowhere is some bullshit as well


What are you talking about with going nowhere? The biggest part of the town case was the speed he got to l1 at.

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Post Post #469 (isolation #55) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:01 am

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In post 462, Fate wrote:Speed of the wagon is how you defend your townread on him? That's weak.

Even now you're still voting RC?

"Fakeclaiming to get the lynch he wants"

Even if that's so (Very unlikely here), is that SCUM BEHAVIOR?

There's no way you have a town mindset this game.

Yesiree bob how about you look at reads instead of claim verifiability. We already discussed Werewolf tracker possibility and oh yeah hey scum FAKECLAIM thats kinda the point. Go with the dayplay here


A fake claim from RC isn't alignment indicative.

Calm the fuck down and get the fuck over yourself
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Post Post #470 (isolation #56) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:03 am

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In post 461, yessiree bob wrote:
In post 460, Bicephalous Bob wrote:flub, how did you feel about tracking a town read?

I wasn't huge on it but I get where she's coming from

Sometimes you just don't argue with Titus
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Post Post #471 (isolation #57) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:04 am

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