Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Jake from State Farm]

Fire why were you in such a rush to have Kush post? Game hasn't even been open 24 hours and already wanting a prod? Seems kind of eager

[Jake from State Farm]

Well in the end that's all that matters. Having fun

[Jake from State Farm]

Fire, what was the point of claiming role cop after you already claimed VT?

And if he comes back and doesn't hammer. @expedience if you were scum reading fire why would you ask him to tell you who
Is scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

At least you proved your town.
That gives me a little ease.

That makes it so its either:
Kush/Jake
Kush/Shiro

I think this may have been a slip

[Jake from State Farm]

Thanks for confirming what I already suspected

[Jake from State Farm]

What I mean is that there is one scum in me / you / kush, and one scum in Jake / Shiro.

Scum is shiro and Fire.

[Jake from State Farm]

See the whole claiming thing makes so much sense with shiro/fire, especially since they have day talk. Shiro played it right by saying he wanted to wait to claim, because in almost every mass claim I've seen where there is an unclaimed pr, they want to go last. Shiro coming back a couple minutes later claiming looks like he was coached. He wanted to get the claim out there first for cred so he could discredit the actual person.

Fire bringing up role cop confirms that scum probably has one which is very possible.

Third thing, typically during mass claim when you popcorn, you popcorn to the person you are most suspicious of or who town is most suspicious of. Fire was town reading shiro so asking him to claim before me or Kush (who fire wanted to lynch) makes no sense. Fire should have popcorned to one of us, not shiro.

I'm fairly confident that those 2 are scum. Expe isn't scum to me anymore cause the game would be over right now if he was. Shiro/Kush is also a possibility but given the interactions between fire/shiro it's so obvious they are together. It's the same sort of cheeky interaction dier and shiro had earlier in the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

And if you read dier's role pm they do have daytalk

[Jake from State Farm]

I didn't slip. You did though. Slipped that I'm town and scum have a role cop

[Jake from State Farm]

Wisdom and fire have been reported.

GG scum, you had a couple extra members on your team.

[Jake from State Farm]

lol..
Jake Reread your own signature. From what I saw nothing they did merits being reported.

Oh I have fun no matter what but when others decide to play against their win condition (wisdom) or game throw (fire) I'll make sure the powers that be investigate. Wisdom maybe you can say didn't do anything wrong (I'd disagree) but fire definitely game threw.

@FA I have no interest in listening to anything you have to say ever again. You are the most dispicable person I've ever seen.

[Jake from State Farm]

You didn't tunnel on farmer? That's a lie and we both know it. >.>

Truth

And not only is it a lie you were giving me advice about considering motivations and blatantly refused to do it yourself which is why I consider it game throwing.

[Jake from State Farm]

There were tons of awful moves from town in this game yet none of it was from me. I did not policy hammer someone I disliked (Maestro), I did not hammer someone I townread (Firebringer), I did not neglect claiming my PR on a verge of a certain lynch (farmer), I did not lie about my motivations (Snarky), and most importantly, I did not tunnel on a certain person and refuse to budge all game or to consider anything else because of dislike (you & Jeanne).

Narcissist always refuse to accept responsibility. So this is exactly the response I expected from you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Your not the first one who is telling me that. That's the reason I'm sick in the first place.

Yeah I don't believe for a second you are sick. If you were you certainly wouldn't use it to get an edge in games like you do.

If your sick, stop playing Mafia. If you are ok to play, stop bringing it up to get sympathy

[Jake from State Farm]

Fire didn't game throw, he decided you were more likely scum than Shiro. That's your fault for being a dick to him.

No he voted me saying he didn't care what I was. That's the very definition of game throwing

[Jake from State Farm]

And that's about all I have to say because judging from your replies you are just going to not realize how wrong you are in this. I hope you have fun in your future games, just stay out of mine.

Coming from the person who refused to admit he made any mistakes. That's hilarious.

[Jake from State Farm]

there was no ate bullshit though. Everything I said was the truth as I see it. You single handily cost town the game because you don't like to be called out for your bad play and that's unacceptable.

If you can't handle people telling you the truth in here, you are going to have a hard time in the real world.

p.edit - I think fire deserves scum mvp personally

[Jake from State Farm]

I told you EXPLICITLY what I would do if you continue to insult me.

actually you said if I didn't stop pushing you not insulting you. You can't even keep your story straight.

This is what I said

"If you are town, prove me wrong here and put some effort into it. You aren't doing jack shit right now but messing around"

Is that a bad thing to say to a player during MYLO? Absolutely not.

should every town player do what I advised you to do? 100% yes they should. Your refusal to put any effort into looking for scum and voting me just because I gave you some good advice is why you decided to throw the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

but parking vote on a slot in lylo is game throwing

thank you.

[Jake from State Farm]

I think you are deluding yourself here a bit.

You called me and Shiro scum team way before I even voted you.
If anything, I played better than you. I said it was probably Shiro/Kush. I only turned it over when you started doing AtE on me.

I highly suspected Expediance was town (though it was based of probably bad premises)

I can go back and pull a quote of you basically planning my lynch next day after Shiro.
We would have lost anyway.

what does my opinion have to do with anything? yes I thought you were shiro's partner because you were basically all buddy buddy with him. you weren't looking for the truth either. Your actions in lylo led me to believe it was probably you.

being lucky doesn't make you a better player than me, and i am not even saying I played good

you can go back and pull whatever quote you want but I don't rush any lylo situations. Even if shiro had been lynched I would have gone into the next day phase with an open mind and examined everyone's posts. That is what I do in every single lylo situation I am in. That is what ALL TOWNIES should do in every lylo situation they are in.

you don't know if we would have lost, now we will never knew because you threw the game. Thanks for that. Really appreciate working hard trying to win a game and a player takes his ball and goes home.

[Jake from State Farm]

FB other than your shitty hammer on farmer your play was not bad. Your claim WIFOM was pretty good; if it had succeeded I'd have caught scum killing you while we would have only lost a VT. The reason it didn't was said shitty hammer, of course. Scum weren't going to not keep you around after that. And then, don't vote people because of dislike, especially in lylo. Like, Jake was a dick, but he was obviously town if you looked hard enough. I know it's hard to take such bullshit and do nothing, but it's doable.

I have a problem that I get impatient with games and make bad decisions in the heat of the moment. Its something I have hard time fixing too because of how slow games are.

I am a person who is used to playing a game fast pace and making risky plays in just seconds. Its hard to translate that to forum mafia even given all my experience playing games (which is at a 100+)

serious question, if you have trouble with the pace of the game, why do you play? There are other places that have much faster games. I know of one site that has 24 hour days and 12 hour nights. That would be right up your alley

[Jake from State Farm]

His insistence of how awesome his town game was(When he didn't get a single scum right all game) and how stupid anyone who wasn't seeing it was basically what made FB vote him.

being right or wrong isn't the issue. I put in the effort. I do the digging, I play hard and give it my all which is more than most people do and was more than almost every town player alive did. I do in in a manner that makes me hard to lynch and often get town read for it which helps prevent mislynches.

Wisdom played terrible
snarky out right lied and made up shit when being questioned and backed into a corner, he looked so bad that even the dead people thought he was scum.
kts's reactions and 180 on me also didn't make much sense from a town pov

It's hard to be right when you have these kind of people mixed in with people who just didn't seem to care who won or lynched.

this was also I think the first game in the history of mafia where a player got lynched and nobody had a reason for them other than the person who strong armed the lynch. That farmer lynch was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.

[Jake from State Farm]

I admit I need to stop tunneling. I try every game but for some reason the only games I can stop are games where I'm scum or I'm in a newbie game.

Sorry to everyone fwiw

[Jake from State Farm]

i do have to say that just because you had a bias against my playstyle doesn't mean you had to vote me. i was pretty fucking town, and my playstyle fit in line with other games. I also did call out dierfire, but everyone ignored that due to their personal fucking vendettas.

youre all literally children that need to go to daycare and have the teacher resolve your issues. to be honest, this postgame argument pisses me off more than the actual game did.

Tl;dr, shut the fuck up

If you were "pretty fucking town " you wouldn't have gotten lynched.

And you decide to omgus dier and somehow that means you caught him? Want to be taken more serious? Stop omgusing people. Did it to dier and did it to me

[Jake from State Farm]

LOL DUDE

lets review the facts here
-you can use your silly buzzwords but i caught scum and you didnt
-i was town but apparently you cant scumread. thats not my fault. i was clearly town as well, and my play does not differentiate at all. its the content that matters. and then theres also the fact that you had all wrong scumreads but were not going to get into that

Everyone had bad reads, not just me. I can't help it if townies look more like scum then scum does. Maybe those townies should learn from that lesson.

At least Im able to play and have people town read me and managed not to get lynched.

[Jake from State Farm]

read the next post after that and then make your pretentious post please

You want to take credit for "catching" somebody you only voted because they voted you and no other reason. Go right ahead. Have your glory

[Jake from State Farm]

fwiw I do analyze myself and I have recognized most of my mistakes in here and in the dead PT.

Lots of times I feel like what I'm posting clearly expresses my mind when it really doesn't - 1492 along with Masquerade's fix in1494 is a perfect example of this. Like, in that example I wanted to convey the "I'd like you to see through my eyes" point yet all I achieve is sound arrogant and give the impression I think I am a scumhunting god and you should sheep me. I think people might still think that's what I think while it's completely untrue but I am to blame for this with the tone of my posts. This is not something unique to this game, this is a common occurrence for me because I stupidly expect people to think like I do as if they have my thoughts in their head.

And well, the other problem is I just can't ignore people. I knew it harms the game to continue answering to Jeanne and Jake, and I knew it because I'm among the first to break up such fights when they don't involve me, in other games. Yet I continued doing it because I cannot stand letting words I consider wrong just lie there in the thread when I can try to post and try to make the other see how they're wrong. But in the end I make it worse.

These are the prime flaws I see in my play - Jake's "he didn't play like town" or "he didn't play to his win condition" or Jeanne's "he didn't consider all the possibilities" or Maestro's "you didn't let us get through to you" (this is in the dead PT) are complete bullshit in my opinion and I cannot take them seriously because they're objectively wrong.

Sorry if I made this game less fun for anyone.

Your bigges issues is really your attitude and arrogance. When people ask you questions, regardless of your alignment you should respond but especially when you are town.

When people ask you for reasons for your scum reads, it shouldn't be like pulling teeth to get them from you and people shouldn't have to force you by voting you.

When you tell other people to look at motivations of the person they are attacking and consider the other town motivation in them, you should take your own advice.

I mean sure I was set in my ways about who I was scum reading but I at least was able to articulate why your reasons for farmer were bad. Every reason you gave was more likely to come from town but you refused to listen. You refused to consider your own advice.

I don't think you will work on changing.

[Jake from State Farm]

read the next post after that and then make your pretentious post please

You want to take credit for "catching" somebody you only voted because they voted you and no other reason. Go right ahead. Have your glory

Or maybe you should realize that people can have reasons for scumreading people you might not be able to agree with yet still be right. What you are doing now and what you kept doing during the game is think that if you don't agree with the reasoning for something, that something is trash and doesn't exist.

He actually didn't even have any reasons. I just went back to double check and nothing he posted made any sense.

[Jake from State Farm]

@Wisdom, now i'm not gonna say that objectively makes you a better player already, but taking these mistakes and learning from them is what makes the great even better. i like your playstyle, and i like your character. so thanks for making that post pham

@Jake, read the next post after that and then make your pretentious post please.

also, if you simply think i omgused him or whatever the fuck you want to call it, then im not sure how if theres any available help for you

Your refusal to admit it was omgus proves there is no hope for you. You gave shit reasons for scum reading him. Aka you just got lucky

[Jake from State Farm]

Who's arguing? Looks like people having a conversation

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah, good scumhunting you have. Your scumhunting led to a mislynch of a town PR

Fixed