Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[Xisiqomelir]

id rather not provide explanation tyvm

Can you provide an unvote/revote so the votecount is right?

[OceanWind]

@Xisiqomelir -

have you caught up with the game yet? I'd like to see you elaborate on why you approve of Lowell, Imperium, and MagnaOfIllusion on the ChurchOfMercy wagon. Why those three specifically?

[ChurchOfMercy]

no I think no one else wants to put the wagon to L-1 because they're afraid of a surprise hammer

What would be the surprise?

[ChurchOfMercy]

Question for Church of Mercy: Albert, this is a very sedate D1 for you. Why no outrage at being L-2, as I would expect?

Albert hasn't been here a lot, it's been mostly me.

Klingoncelt

[ChurchOfMercy]

I approve of Lowell, Imperium and MoI on the COM wagon, ergo I approve of the wagon itself, but I believe there is still ample time to probe various posters' opinions.

This post lacks the affirmative stance that you think CoM is actually scum. Please share in a positive manner with the class if that is the case. Especially given that you are voting Kill.

Yes, they are strongly possible scum and I am willing to vote them once the deadline drops to 3 days.

As a player here since the beginning I would like to ask you what behaviours and stances you think I should pay attention to as I look at this thread.

I'd like to hear your reasons for thinking we're Scum.

[OceanWind]

DAY 1 READS
I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.

What happened to this? It's Tuesday of the following week.

[ChurchOfMercy]

Klingoncelt here. A couple things I want to touch on:

I'm still bugged by 35. Ocean jumping in to defend KT sounds just like a Mafia trying to diffuse suspicion on a teammate.


In post 325 I said "Bellaphant - If she replaces out, she's Scum. Guaranteed."

Bellaphant hasn't posted in over 5 days. She is not V/LA.

This disappearing is how she plays as Scum, I've been in some games with her.

Yeeaaaaaaaah about that, I went vla in 291 which was my last post. Nice to see you are reading and paying attention...

I find it super interesting that you and kt have jumped on me while I was vla and a push on me seems to have been a tonne of your content.

Catching up properly now.

No, I checked your avie for a V/LA banner, and I checked the Activity Overview for a return date.

If someone says "I might not be here tomorrow because problem" that's one thing, but you can't expect everyone to remember your excuse for absence after several days.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

That's why the V/LA button exists.

[ChurchOfMercy]

DAY 1 READS
I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.

What happened to this? It's Tuesday of the following week.

Oh, hell, I forgot all about it.

Sorry.

Finishing now.

[ChurchOfMercy]

DAY 1 READS
I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.

What happened to this? It's Tuesday of the following week.

Oh, hell, I forgot all about it.

Sorry.

Finishing now.

Here you go:

Jim - His posts are better, but NAI. So for now he's Null.

Killthestory - Damn, I wish he'd explain his one-line stances. Lean Town.

Lowell - I don't get his scumread on us, but otherwise he ever so slightly Leans Town.

MagnaofIllusion - Looks to be asking the right questions and paying attention. The vote on us is dumb, but otherwise I think he's Town

Nosferatu - I said that my Day1 play is shit, I'm better on Day3. My Day1 play is light years beyond what Nos has been doing all game. Scum.

OceanWind - Paying very close attention to the game, but he did that in his first Newbie game here, as Scum. Null

Ollie - I think he's Town.

Severa - Scum.


VOTE: Severa

[OceanWind]

I'm surprised you actually followed that newbie game. Can you go into more detail about your reads? Right now, they are very vague and don't tell much about your thought process behind them. For instance, what are these "right questions" that MagnaOfIllusion is asking? How are Jim's posts better, and better compared to what? Why are Lowell and KillTheStory leaning town? The only thing you said about those two are negative things. Why are Nosferatu and Severa scum? What happened to your scumread on me? You claim to still be bugged that I "defended KTthecreeper" but now I'm "paying close attention to the game?" Has your previous list changed or is it still the same?

[Killthestory]

sort of dont agree with those reads except for severa, but youre good pham

[Xisiqomelir]

@Killthestory

: You are STILL voting Jim, and you can't have missed my #550, it's on top of this page.

@Xisiqomelir -

have you caught up with the game yet? I'd like to see you elaborate on why you approve of Lowell, Imperium, and MagnaOfIllusion on the ChurchOfMercy wagon. Why those three specifically?

Good question.

I know MoI pretty well. He is equally querulous and irascible as both town and other alignments, but is more likely as town than scum to make posts like:

Magna, what is your read on jmo?

Null. He’s pretty much non-engaged. I don’t give any ‘dumb Town’ credit for 32-33 but it certainly doesn’t warrant scum-points either. I can see why, if he doesn’t know Lowell from Adam, Lowell’s call of me as Town early would be suspect.

62 is full of logical Town oriented thinking. His line of thinking in 179 and 206 about scum being in best position to call other players Town on little basis is a theory I believe in personally.

Hell, if not for the fact that he is very non-engaged (other than going after Lowell and Killthestory) I’d probably be very comfortable with a fairly solid Town read on the slot.

This is because MoI (like GreyICE) is that rare sort of player who is more hostile and aggressive as scum than town, and you usually get pointed commentary on a poster's intelligence rather dispassionate Mafia Theory posts from him in that case.

Lowell I don't know at all, but the thinking here:

Just putting a marker down that KT is scum still. I know we moved on to more interesting players, but nothing he's done has made up for his ridiculous panic-flailing at getting his first vote. In fact all he's done is hide.

Also, scumvibes on bella. Very much looks like a player who just wants to look like s/he's interacting--asking and answering pointless questions.

Is coherent, pro-town content (to clarify, I consider "pro-town content" to be lucid posts which identify probable scum and encourage votes on them).

And for the other hydra in game, Tammy is usually town for me. Nacho is sometimes not, but I find things like this:

CoM does flip scum and this is where I’m going next. I could see Kill bussing CoM for underperforming, realizing that there was no significant pressure elsewhere and deciding that he wasn’t going to get enough Town cred to make the bus worthwhile.

In 349, I asked CoM to join me in making a jmo push. Albert said that he'd talk to Klingon about it, and then never brought it up again.

I found this interaction as far more likely to be indicative of partners than Killthestory suddenly deciding to not scum read Church for unknown reasons, especially considering how CoM followed Killthestory onto Bella and egged him on in the way that they did; I think CoM would be more careful to tie themselves to a partner in a strong position, especially if Killthestory decided that he was going to stop bussing them for a little while.

clear, unmuddled and acceptable. For contrast here is scumhydra-Nacho, I would quote but the game is archived: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4450557

[Xisiqomelir]

Question for Church of Mercy: Albert, this is a very sedate D1 for you. Why no outrage at being L-2, as I would expect?

Albert hasn't been here a lot, it's been mostly me.

Klingoncelt

Hmm, that's going to make things tougher for me.

I approve of Lowell, Imperium and MoI on the COM wagon, ergo I approve of the wagon itself, but I believe there is still ample time to probe various posters' opinions.

This post lacks the affirmative stance that you think CoM is actually scum. Please share in a positive manner with the class if that is the case. Especially given that you are voting Kill.

Yes, they are strongly possible scum and I am willing to vote them once the deadline drops to 3 days.

As a player here since the beginning I would like to ask you what behaviours and stances you think I should pay attention to as I look at this thread.

I'd like to hear your reasons for thinking we're Scum.

This is a scumpost:

You guys, I'm known for being useless Day1, NAI. I'm more of a Day3 player.

[acryon]

sort of dont agree with those reads except for severa, but youre good pham

Which reads do you take issue with and why?

[Lowell]

I'm sort of back. I'll try to catch up.

Of the new replacements since I last checked, I'm getting townvibes from snarky and scumvibes from Xis. Still believe CoM is the best lynch. This is going to sound ironic coming from me, but it really feels like they've phoned it in, and are trying to make up for lack of content (which I would normally expect from this slot) with sheer volume. Not buying.

[Nosferatu]

DAY 1 READS
I'll finish Thursday night, guys. There's a storm coming and the power's likely to go out.

What happened to this? It's Tuesday of the following week.

Oh, hell, I forgot all about it.

Sorry.

Finishing now.

Nosferatu - I said that my Day1 play is shit, I'm better on Day3. My Day1 play is light years beyond what Nos has been doing all game. Scum.

fam you haven't done shit

[Nosferatu]

@Imperium which posts are from who, you guys haven't been signing and I haven't played with either of you enough to know your posting behaviours.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I wonder where Jim got to. Especially since he was keen on completing the CoM lynch soon after Creeper returned with reads. And isn’t voting.

ChurchofMercy is interesting, because I see a lot of associatives with them (and a lot of info to be gained from that lynch), but I don't necessarily think they're scum, so I'd like to consider. Let me read that one a little more thoroughly.

Severa, on the other hand, has done almost nothing and I feel like that's a particularly worthy lynch, if we run up against it. Also, UNVOTE:

The only way associations are meaningful is if the flipped party is scum. I’d really like for you to complete your read and give us your CoM thoughts.

I fail to see how this is her hedging.

You do? Please explain why repeatedly saying that there is scum on a wagon but doing nothing in relation to tracking down said scum from their play re: the wagon isn’t hedging against giving actual reads.

I know MoI pretty well. He is equally querulous and irascible as both town and other alignments, but is more likely as town than scum to make posts like:

Your approach I like but you get demerits for the use of the word “querulous”. Bad Xisi.

[Nosferatu]

I fail to see how this is her hedging.

You do? Please explain why repeatedly saying that there is scum on a wagon but doing nothing in relation to tracking down said scum from their play re: the wagon isn’t hedging against giving actual reads.

I only saw her say there was scum on the kt wagon once, but saying there's scum on a wagon and not identifying scum on the wagon isn't hedging. It's not following through.

[kelbris]

vote count 1.11

Bellaphant (0): none
Severa (1): ChurchofMercy
Jim (1): killthestory

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman (1): Xixiqomelir
MagnaofIllusion (0): none
Imperium (0): none
Killthestory (0): none
ChurchOfMercy (hydra, Klingoncelt and Albert B Rampage) (6) [L-2]: Oceanwind, Lowell, Imperium, Bellaphant, MagnaofIllusion, Severa,
Lowell (0): none
Nosferatu (1): Ollie
acryon (0): none
OceanWind (0): none

KTthecreeper

Xisiqomelir (0): none
Ollie (0): none
not voting: Jim, SnarkySnowman, Nosferatu, acryon,
With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
day 1 has begun, it will end in (expired on 2016-04-16 19:01:46)

[Xisiqomelir]

vote count 1.11

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
day 1 has begun, it will end in (expired on 2016-04-16 19:01:46)

As stated, I'll shift my vote since DL is getting closer.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman
VOTE: ChurchofMercy

That's L-1

[Lowell]

^^^ this is a scummy post

[Nosferatu]

^^^ this is a scummy post

doing exactly what he said he would do previously is scummy?

[Imperium]

And for the other hydra in game, Tammy is usually town for me.

Have we played together?

[Imperium]

Confirming my replacement and that I've seen my role PM. Let's read.

Here's a readlist.

Town {MagnaofIllusion, Oceanwind, Ollie}
Townlean {Bellephant, Jim, acryon, Killthestory}
Scumlean {Lowell, Imperium, Nosferatu, ChurchofMercy}
Scum {Severa}

ChurchofMercy is interesting, because I see a lot of associatives with them (and a lot of info to be gained from that lynch), but I don't necessarily think they're scum, so I'd like to consider. Let me read that one a little more thoroughly.

Severa, on the other hand, has done almost nothing and I feel like that's a particularly worthy lynch, if we run up against it. Also, UNVOTE:

Did you read the entire game?