Micro 601: Traitors amongst us [game over]

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I HAVE THE POST

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If I always look town even when I'm scum this is going to be an awfully hard game.

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OBVTOWN RC IS OBVTOWN

SHEEP OBVTOWN

VOTE: eitsoP

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I think the correct play here is actually for us to NL.
We have our neapolitan catch both of the town vanillas, out them together, neapolitan gets vengekilled, then we just lynch for the town neapolitan.

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But if I'm a cunning manipulator, then I'm scum, and if I'm scum, then you don't want to lynch me!

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VOTE: Dwlee99

See I was hoping to catch someone on that.
I when signing up thought that traitors would know who the mafia was and thus constitute an informed majority of sorts. I was surprised that that wasn't the case.
I think Dwlee thought the same and is town.

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No, the opposite.

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That's what made it townsided.

I think it would be extremely easy for town to determine who the real mafia were by how people react to your votes.

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Pretty easy to tell when you vote someone and people start scumreading you that you probably voted a mafia member.

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The mod actually PMed me and said he's working on preventing that being a breaking strategy.

Hold up on the NL.

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Holy fuck Postie because I didn't. she messaged me about the things that I said in thread.

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Because I think that NLing is still the correct play.

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I did.

I think the odds are good enough that town shoot another town that it's worth it.

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I did the math.

In a

spreadsheet

.

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but but postie.

I have a

spreadsheet

.

so you should do what I tell you to.

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Townies either have to shoot every day they get the shot, with high odds of sohoting each other, or save them till Nea outs and only get 1 shot.

It's the optimal play.

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Just read my

spreadsheet

and we'll learn all about it!

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It's not necessarily about EV so much.

I'll keep my thoughts to myself or it'll lose its value.

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You stahp.
We NL now or I abuse strength of will to force everyone to NL.
I'm fine either way.

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We can do this the hard way then.

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If I explained my thoughts they would lose their value.

We can fight over this or you can NL.

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In short, did you ever consider that maybe I know something that you don't?

Are you being serious here or you still making annoying spreadsheet references?

I'm being 100% serious.

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VOTE: No Lynch

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It's not your decision to make.

I will explain it postgame and everyone wlil 100% agree that I'm correct here.

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Dwlee, vote NL.

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Whatever game RC is playing it's the one we're playing as a group so NL.

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Chilled, NL.

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me being town wouldn't change the fact that this was the optimal decision.

if I were town I would whip everyone up into a frenzy lynching whoever.

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I refuse.

I am far too masculine and manly to ever colour my text.

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SO much testosterone here.

No coloured text, thank you.

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VOTE: No Lynch

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There's a fundamental way that I think people are misunderstanding the setup whereby they don't realize that this game is pretty unlosable for scum as long as we keep NLing.

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I will explain it when the time comes.

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Wouldn't matter all that much.

BOTH real scum claim tomorrow, for the record.

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Actually I don't tihnk this works.

hold on.

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I can't explain it at this time or town will know how to counterplay it.

Just trust me?

I have to modify our end condition a bit though.

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Love you too!

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I'm pretty sure this is town tbh.

VOTE: BlackStar

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My thought process is you NL or you get lynched.

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I'm good either way tbh.

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I'm good either way tbh.

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Is Postie not supposed to see everything that I say?

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Blackstar is blatantly role fishing Postie.

Lynch it now.

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You think that Postie is the Maf Neapolitan who has a non-VT result on me.

Bye.

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No lynch is better than standard but you're obvscum so.

After this lynch we go back to NL.

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This is VT looking for someone to claim a Nea result for the vengekill.

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It's pretty blatant that you're looking for a venge target.

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I think Dwlee is town who thinks that Blackstar is a town buddy and is trying to defend him because of that.

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\o/ P o s t i e \o/

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Don't ask me to make sense because I'm not going to.

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I didn't end up drinking tonight when I was going to :[

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>I can't tell the difference between town and scum
>Blackstar is obvscum

no guys I'm scumz tho

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why can't town be genuinely frustrated when they're scumread for the 'wrong reasons' fypov.

lol.

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*facepalm*

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I was mainly referencing point 2 when I was saying reread page 12. I haven't said RC is town, but you all should've realized by now that the alignments are essentially switched this game except wincons are all fucked up. If somebody were being THIS opaque in leading a Town in a normal game around by the nose, we wouldn't deal with it. Why're we dealing with it in this game when he's done nothing to show us his motivation is genuine?

Uhm.

You know full well that people do follow me similarly opaquely.

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*dons yukata and draws his wakizachi*

私は郵便配達員の名誉であなたに直面しなければなりません。あなたに持っています！

[RadiantCowbells]

No one's fighting me.

Why don't you fight me instead?

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There's no answer that I can give that wouldn't ruin the plan.

What I make of that is that town think that I am sufficiently likely to be town for pushing the vig shot that they dont' want to kill me at the moment.

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VOTE: Get a Room: RC & Postie

How about this then: would we have had no idea what to do and not have been able to continue with the plan if you had been shot last night?

>.>
<.<

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*puts finger to your lips*

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But I <3 you.



Just NL please?

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VOTE: NL

I can do that.

Still somewhat down to lynch Blackstar but I'm scumreading Postie and I'm looking forward to seeing night actions.

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...at this stage it surprises you to find out that I scumread you?

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<3?

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I don't know why you're getting Longnight flashbacks.

Maybe I've just been scum in so many consecutive games that you've forgotten what I'm like as

town

scum?

Zzz.

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Maybe it's best if we let the Neapolitan decide my fate?

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Calm down D:

Why are you upset?

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This isn't about the number of no lynches and you should know that.

Zzz.

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Do you not trust me here?

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There was no set number.

This wasn't about no lynching a certain number of times.

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If it was about NLing X times then I wouldn't have voted Blackstar.

I trust you implicitly atm. Do you trust me or no?

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This plan won't work unless you trust me then.
I'm confident that Postie is scum. Please claim Traitor / Main Faction scum, then we're going to lynch me.

VOTE: RC

My plan was to make town think that I was town and then get them to vengekill each other later, but that's not going to work at this point.
We need to have 1 claimed traitor and 1 claimed main faction scum that we trust.

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This unfortunately is actually a ridiculously town sided setup and just lynching people isn't going to work.
Hoping that town don't shoot correctly is a crapshoot.
We have far better odds cycling through using people we relatively townread to vengekill people that we don't.

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relatively scumread*

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Then don't worry about it. just lynch me and I'll kill town.

I'm positive that you're scum. You're traitor, correct?

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NM we don't lynch townreads.
We lynch scumreads and make them vengekill townreads.

Explain please.

Assuming everyone vengekills on lynch, which they should, we will end up with 2 players remaining.
We need those players to be 1 traitor and 1 main faction scum.

If you're traitor, main faction scum should out and we'll pick a second person from the traitor pool that we trust as our backup for you if you get venged and we'll start lynching the people we most scumread from there and have them hit town.

If we hit town, they'll venge either you in which case backup traitor is now our last man standing in that pool or one of the MF scum in which case we can't lynch town again.

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You're trusting me to either

1) target correctly
or
2) be town.

Do you disagree with my choice of Dwlee target?
And if I'm town you've gotten rid of me, I'll venge someone, the plan is still correct.

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Guh.

Why?

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I don't wanna keep you up though.
Sweet dreams!
Anyway, I was stuck between those two plans on day 1 and I figured I'd have more fun trying to get town to self destruct.

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Anyone who hammers me before I've gotten reads out and shit is getting policy venged.

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Town won't end up shooting town.

Town can force NLs and get the town neapolitan to invest everyone and then claim who the VTs are then it's a CC battle.

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Then it's not even a CC battle.
Townies can vote either Nea and win, and to properly CC town Nea they have to be willing to selfvote.
It's a loss if that happens.

A ridiculous breaking strategy like this was, as it happens, necessary to win this.

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But when are you going to get the next opportunity to bus me D:

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I'm fairly sure Maestro is scum.

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Uhm. We're going to have a problem here.

Do you scumread Maestro?

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Like that's not even viable.

We need to come to an agreement on Dwlee at some point

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Okay so here's what we're looking at.

Postie: Unspec. Maf
RC: Traitor

NM: Probscum
Maestro: Probscum

(Aristo/Dwlee): Probably the last town.

Blackstar: Probtown

Chilled: Conftown

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I'm not being lynched while people are still scumreading Dwlee.

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Look, if Dwlee is your partner just out it. We're not losing any tactical utility because there's no benefit to having your partner not outed.
That's a pretty blatant slip; if he were traitor he would know what's up here.

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I mean a check would be nice but a not VT doesn't clear him.
I really can't see Dwlee being scum unless he's main faction scum.

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No, we don't. We can lynch Maestro and have him vengekill you.
But Postie's scumreading you ??? which I can't get on board with after you slipped.

It doesn't look like he's asking questions about if the Traitors know who the Mafia are, but about if the Mafia know each other and whether the Townies know each other.

Am I missing something?

Nooo

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but are still aligned with the traitors but don't know who the traitors are

he explicitly said don't know who the traitors are which implies he thought they know who the main faction mafia were.

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and that's exactly what I thought before I got my role PM.

I was waiting for someone to slip that from the get go.

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If Dwlee isn't your partner then I'm pretty sure it's Dwlee/Chilled/Blackstar.

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Aristo is the goon correct?

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I mean it's already basically outed but sure.

Is Aristo your partner?

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I'm going to suggest a check on Blackstar because he's the one I'm a little less sure about.

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If I'm not getting lynched we can go ahead and lynch NM/Maestro who I'm fairly sure are the other traitors.

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You're not going to bus me?

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Alright, so I'm taking out Chilled?

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I'm just curious, what does your spreadsheet say about me?

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and wtf. you let me get lynched without bussing me.

</3

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Doesn't count!

you need to vote me now and say I'm obvscum.

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\o/

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best bus <3

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I make myself mad sometimes.

Uninformed minority is not good for someone like me.

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How do you even interpret that as a town claim you townlord.

I'm venging you.

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Nah I'm JK. I'm gonna venge Chilled.

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^secret jailkeeper soft.

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I meant games with that setup you silly townlord.

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Anyway.

See you later Postie!

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Chilledtea basically single handedly made this unwinnable for town.

oh well. gg

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by

1) being so fucking obvious town that he was a free guilty
2) hammering me

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and 1 is forgivable
new to scum whatever not very good I don't blame people for that.

but that hammer was disgusting.

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do you not realize that if you hadn't hammered there's no way we would have lost this?

>.>

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True. But that would be in hindsight. It wasn't like I hammered you purposefully knowing that you were town.

My point is that you shouldn't have hammered either way.

Don't try to take the game into your own hands.

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You DON'T HAVE A PROPER IDEA so DON'T HAMMER.
I'm positive that my reads are better than yours and I would NEVER have hammered in that situation.

For you to hammer is just lunacy.

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I think you're missing the point here.
This isn't about whether you think I'm town or not.
This is about not doing it no matter what the fuck your reads are.

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That's NOT THE POINT.
This isn't about your read: this is about the fact that hammering there was a bad idea. period.
And yeah, if you hadn't done X we would have won. Do you want to learn from your mistakes or no?

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I think you're just trying to convince yourself of that because it's easier for you to protect your ego than to risk hurting it by admitting that you made a mistake.

This conversation is over. don't expect me to respect you if you can't respect yourself enough to admit when you screwed something up.

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I think you're underestimating me =\

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Me to know, you to find out.

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Just call it "Jester" and make it worth 0 points like XBL or PSN do with some of their sillier achievements.

RC, chilledtea hammering you didn't matter. I really don't think you had a

ZOMG SUPR SEEKRIT

Plan

that could've changed how the game went. The only thing that really mattered after you died was whether or not the last person lynched was N_M / whether or not the last person lynched would kill N_M.

It's the fact that I would 1) never have been lynched and 2) could have directed scum to vengekill other scum.
just stop.