Chaos Diplomacy FINISHED! Who were the survivors?

[Mist7676]

...France?

Hi! I'm Marseilles!!

Oui, France!

Oui! Je suis français aussi!

I'm open for an alliance with France.

!!!

I'm open for an alliance with France.

France and the Spanish peninsula, si?

May I come on in~

[Mist7676]

Hey Spain (ani) and Paris (d3f), I'm taking Gascony this round!

[Mist7676]

Is Marseilles in the Med area? I mean it's close by~

[Mist7676]

Yesss

[Mist7676]

Mediterranean Agreement Between Peoples

current members:

1. Extrapolated Eagle (Greece)
2. Animorpherv (Spain)
3. Zulfy (Naples)
4. ActionDan (Rome)
5. Aronis (Tunis)
6. Mist7676 (Marseilles)

Proposition 1

I propose all members of the group must come to the defense of any member that gets attacked.

Marseilles votes Yes
YES - Naples/Greece/Marseilles
NO -
Standing - 3/6 4 to pass

Proposition 2

I also think once a majority is reached all members should move forward with that proposition regardless of their opinion.

Marseilles votes Yes
YES - Greece/Marseilles
NO - Naples
Standing - 2/6 4 to pass

Proposition 3

The other proposition is that the alliance stays open to any Mediterranean countries until the end of this phase and at the end of this phase we close it with the only way in being through invitation or request, both having to be agreed upon by a majority beforehand

Marseilles votes Yes
YES - Greece/Marseilles/Naples
NO -
Standing - 3/6 4 to pass

Proposition 4

A proposition needs a unanimous yes-vote to pass

Marseilles votes No
YES - Naples
NO - Marseilles
UNDECIDED - Greece
Standing - 1/6 4 to pass

[Mist7676]

I believe this agreement should stay between the Med countries because then it becomes difficult to implement everyone working together if someone gets attacked.

[Mist7676]

@ ani If Pablito doesn't mind I can go for a slice of pie to my right~

[Mist7676]

Question: Once a proposition is passed, do the numbers move up or do we just keep going?

[Mist7676]

Theres a pretty map a few pages back. But, the se Austrian/Anschluss alliance. Ceph's

That's not an alliance chart! It's a territory chart.

[Mist7676]

I don't actually know how to play diplomacy

[Mist7676]

Is Spain capable of taking out Portugal right now?
How do fleet-army interactions work anyway?

I'm pretty sure the answer is "even if I wanted to I would be blasted down by

the heavens eternal

France".

I'm moving east, not west, to give you some room to expand. We'd end up bouncing and advancing nowhere if we tried taking the same spot

[Mist7676]

There can only ever be one unit in each territory.

[Mist7676]

I'd prefer Piedmont region more than Tyr. Always have. Mist, opinions?

It depends on Paris. Right now I've already had to move my army so I don't cage in Spain. But I'd also rather start moving east rather than north.

[Mist7676]

To be honest, I just want to see the results after this round. With all these alliances and aggression being spewed out without any moves being played yet, it's a bit confusing. It's hard for me to visualize everything that's being said as no one's really moved around as of yet.

[Mist7676]

While this is a bit short notice, I'd kinda like to make this a formal proposition for our alliance, since both the german and Austrian conglomerates are advancing, and a lot of us are bottlenecked.

With Mist moving to Pie, I think this increases the need for

Prop 6:
A Ven - Tyr

Yes: Rome, Mars
No:

2/9

It's not the biggest deal, but it's nice to have breathing room

I agree with this Prop

I will move to sil if ven is not moving to tyr. I will hold if Ben is moving to tyr. Mist and pabs did y'all hash out your moves?

Pab hasn't said anything after my comment, so no. I'm still moving to Pie. Hopefully pabs left his action as tyr as he insinuated before.

[Mist7676]

OGML should advance. I am not moving to Tyr without a majority of votes from my alliance. Right now, there is only a plurality vote due to absent voters.

Where do you plan on moving then? Are we just going to bounce back on Pie?

[Mist7676]

@d3f/Paris, how would you feel about marching south to threaten Spain/Marseilles? I think I can speak for all of us in central Europe when I say you'd be a welcome ally against the MedAgree.

I would be very against this I was hoping for some sort of French nonaggression pact actually. D3f/Paris doesn't seem to be around much, so I'm wondering where his head is in this. I'm not against you, d3f. Don't allow Germany to meddle in French affairs!

Then take Portugal!

No he's not. If him taking Portugal is going to be a thing I will bump him - no one gets Portugal until I say otherwise.

Are you planning on taking Portugal this round? Because it seems like you're becoming hostile towards the medagree. Is that assumption true? Do I need to worry about Mar being taken from you? I do trust you if you need that assurance from me. I'd rather not be turned against you.

[Mist7676]

Heya diamond! Wondering if there's some Germany + France Nonaggression pact that can be had?

[Mist7676]

@Mist - I mean, you'd just surrender as soon as I attacked you, so it'd be in your best interest to do that. XD

Did you know the blue cross on my flag is just a sticker so it can easily be peeled off?

[Mist7676]

Is Trieste part of MedAgree, and is there still a MedAgree? Was there already a proposition to disband?

I say No to the last proposition or something that was I think already rescinded.

Mist - does it make more sense for me to support you or vice versa?

ActionDan are you moving to Ven? If so, that means you'd take over the supply center if you don't bounce back - I trust you, but you can see how if Tri doesn't move to Ven, that will make me uneasy. Especially because this is based on what OGML is saying and not PrivateI, whom I've heard as both in and out of the MedAGree.

I'm moving back to Marseilles. I'm not getting a good feeling from Spain as he's been ignoring me. You wouldn't be able to support me because you're not next to Marseilles.

[Mist7676]

Ty actiondan I somehow assumed apu was supporting rather than moving. Mist what orders are you thinking about for winter phase?

What do you mean by the winter phase? Anyone can chime in here if it's some mechanic I'm missing but it's not listed on the first post.

[Mist7676]

Ty actiondan I somehow assumed apu was supporting rather than moving. Mist what orders are you thinking about for winter phase?

What do you mean by the winter phase? Anyone can chime in here if it's some mechanic I'm missing but it's not listed on the first post.

Winter is the build phase. Anyone who takes control of an additional supply center will be able to build a new army or fleet in an empty supply center they control. Pabs might actually be wondering what your plan is for next spring?

Ah thank you then!

N, if Midget is going to move to Baltic, you need to move home to Kiel so we can defend the north coast rather than press on to Bur. Keep an eye on the thread to see what happens. If that is the case I will instead set my move to Tyr to bounce Ven's army, since mist is moving home to Mar instead of supporting Ven to Tyr.

[Mist7676]

@ Western MedAgree:

I am claiming Cybele's spot as mine. If you take Spain while I am out, the rest of the MedAgree will undoutedly target you (and potentially other would as well) for being untrustworthy. Therefore, I would recommend not taking Spain or interfering with me.

@Northern Alliance:

I expect I'll need some support in entering Cybele's location, as I expect the default no-submission is to hold - given how I'm not attacking you, could I get a promise for support from someone who would be nearby?

I'm willing to support you into Cybele's space anyway I can.

[Mist7676]

@Mist:

You can help by supporting me into BUR, and that'd be all the help I need. Thank you <3

Also, TBO! OmG HE LIVES

Will do then!

[Mist7676]

So what am I supposed to be doing this round?

[Mist7676]

Crap Defender didn't move into GAS... now we have no way to pressure Medagree for being so aggressive. Whats worse, Mist still managed to get into Bul without support.

Check the moves - D3f supported mist's army from Mar. Which might turn out to have been actual suicide.

Yeah, I don't understand why he did that? But he did!

So Ani, what do you want to do this round? You could support me into Paris and we can both gain a supply center. Plus, there's nothing that anybody can really do to stop us.

[Mist7676]

Crap Defender didn't move into GAS... now we have no way to pressure Medagree for being so aggressive. Whats worse, Mist still managed to get into Bul without support.

Check the moves - D3f supported mist's army from Mar. Which might turn out to have been actual suicide.

Yeah, I don't understand why he did that? But he did!

So Ani, what do you want to do this round? You could support me into Paris and we can both gain a supply center. Plus, there's nothing that anybody can really do to stop us.

That works for me.

Snakes is just going to cut support

How? If he tries to move to Ani's space, he'll just bounce back.

[Mist7676]

If Snakes decides to cut off support, Loki could just move into the Irish Sea and threaten his home center. OGML is right, Snakes should move back to save his own skin because he's moving too far away from his center. It's best for us to take Paris now rather than later. We're in the fall so we'll have a build phase right after to pressure others. If we lose this opportunity now, we give Germany or Britain time to mobilize.

[Mist7676]

OGML has a point - I think I'm going to be forced int a Hold this turn, Mist. You'll probably have better luck a bit farther North?

Snakes can't dislodge you by himself, even if you are supporting, he can only cut the support.

I don't want to risk it, honestly.

Risk what? Do you understand how the rules work? Whether you order a hold or support, your unit will defend at 1 strength with no other units supporting. Snakes will attack at 1 with no other units supporting. You do not get dislodged either way. The only person in position to support an attack against Brest would be Loki, and in that extremely unlikely scenario (unless Snakes wants to, IDK, start negotiating with people instead of waiting for his alliance to serve him up a center on a silver platter) then 2 strength against your 1 strength will dislodge you whether your order is hold or support.

i.e. there's no risk, and you put us in a better position for the next year.

[Mist7676]

If Loki takes Spain, does Ani taking brest resolve first or second? i.e. is Ani dead or left with one territory at Brest?

Even if he DOES do this, the MedAgree would jump on him so fast it wouldn't be worth it.

This plus, everything happens simultaneously, so I assume Ani would be left with his territory at Brest.

[Mist7676]

Ani, that wasn't an attack on you. I was just trying to help d3f keep his center.

All I'm taking this as is an indirect attack against me.

So Ani/Loki, how are we doing this?

Loki can't support me into Paris because you have a fleet.

Ani can only support me if he builds an army. So, I'd much rather you build an army. With this we could take Paris and then put a lot more pressure on the east. With a fleet, we'd be able to put a lot more pressure on GB. This could help knock Snakes out of his position and allow us to take Paris with Ani's army alone in Brest? Anything I'm missing here?

[Mist7676]

Snakes can just support defender into brest and then portugal has to stay put Or else ani loses. Sure mist could take Paris but we get to take out an army and move right back into Paris after.

Couldn't Loki just support a hold for Ani is this situation?

[Mist7676]

If Ani holds along side D3f, then nothing happens, even if Snakes attacks. I think Loki should just move into the Mid-Atlantic so the army in Spain can move into Gascony to support next me into Paris in the Fall.

Ani, if you still tried supporting me into Paris this round, Snakes still wouldn't be able to knock you out. I'll attack D3f again so even if he supports Snakes again, the support will be cut. It'll just be like last round except we'll have an army in Gascony. The only risk is if D3f is displaced, he could move into Burgundy, putting him in a position to take Marseilles...

Actually, if D3f just takes Burgundy, Ani's army in Gascony will be able to just be able to attack it forcing D3f to bounce back. This could be risky with D3f just backing out anyways and allowing himself to die to spite us? We could run this risk or just hold until fall where this isn't possible?

Spoiler: Take Paris Now

Proposed Actions:
Ani:
A Bre S A Bur ---> Par
A Spa ---> Gas

Loki:
F Gas ---> Mid

Mist:
A Bur ---> Par

Spoiler: Take Paris in Fall

Ani:
A Bre H
A Spa ---> Gas

Loki:
F Gas ---> Mid

Mist:
A Bur H

Any further comments? I'm leaning more on holding since it's less risky this round, but there might be something I'm missing that would make advancing now better?

[Mist7676]

Mist and Loki, can you help me get back into Brest, please?

As long as Loki attacks Snakes, and Mist supports me in, we are guaranteed to get me back in. Please and thank you, since I just helped out Mist.

We can all try supporting? What should we be doing this round?

[Mist7676]

Mist and Loki, can you help me get back into Brest, please?

As long as Loki attacks Snakes, and Mist supports me in, we are guaranteed to get me back in. Please and thank you, since I just helped out Mist.

We can all try supporting? What should we be doing this round?

Yea Support him into brest

Done. We can still try to take Brest, and it's very possible if things go right for us.

[Mist7676]

Okay with Spain supporting bringing the last two medagree (just not Tunis) countries into Loki's VLA actions, we only need one more person to voice their support.

I'm pretty sure since Loki posted this round, he's already submitted the proposed action but if not, /support for Marseilles.

[Mist7676]

Zulfy you guaranteed my safe passage. His word this round is consistent. Yours has not. Both of you approached plans to save me. But if you bounce back to mun that is on you.

Quoted for prosperity. <3 Pabs, good luck.

[Mist7676]

Okay with Spain supporting bringing the last two medagree (just not Tunis) countries into Loki's VLA actions, we only need one more person to voice their support.

I'm pretty sure since Loki posted this round, he's already submitted the proposed action but if not, /support for Marseilles.

This is just to give votes to the two medagree countries he forgot. (he said we could vote to include other countries)

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Oh ok, sorry missed that. Of course!

[Mist7676]

In my leave, all my actions will be in the hands of the Medagree members (Spain, Marseilles, Rome, Naples, and Greece). They can cast votes each phase for the movement and building of my units, and can also move to grant votes to other countries, in case I missed someone. Spain's vote counts double. Au revoir.

Awesome, I will make sure to vote in your

worst

- best interest as the soon to be ruler of naples.

This was not intended to be who is currently in Naples, but the leader of the original territory. This is shown by the fact that the leader was not in Naples at the time but was still given authority to vote. So no, I don't think you will be given the opportunity to vote.

[Mist7676]

CURRENT ACTIVE WORLD LEADERS

Aronis: Tunis

Spoiler: Tunis

BANISHED TO SIBERIA

Zulfy: Naples

Spoiler: Naples

You're actually Tunis, sorry!

[Mist7676]

@Mist:

Will you support me back into Brest with Paris, and then have the new unit from Marseilles move to Gascony if possible? I have no idea what you intend on building, but it'd make the capture of Brest so much faster so you could do things with your Fall turn.

I intended to build a fleet this round just so I can have one of each. Would that work?

[Mist7676]

The people of Holland have long stayed neutral and away from war. But the Dutch have been growing antsy with all the death and war going on around them, so they can't help but elect a new dictator to defend them and lead them to a prosperous future.

MattP has taken over Holland!

Yay Matt!

[Mist7676]

@Mist:

Will you support me back into Brest with Paris, and then have the new unit from Marseilles move to Gascony if possible? I have no idea what you intend on building, but it'd make the capture of Brest so much faster so you could do things with your Fall turn.

I intended to build a fleet this round just so I can have one of each. Would that work?

Sadly, no, that is not how fleets work - it doesn't matter that much, I'm just going to be forced to sit in Gascony for the spring more than likely.

@MattP:

Belgium is right next to Holland and it's unoccupied at the moment. It's worth attempting to grab it in the Fall for an extra supply center. I'll get to your post in a second.

What do you mean? I am still able to support you into Brest using a fleet. What's the difference?

[Mist7676]

Why not have Portugal support you into Brest, Ani?

Because then d3f3nd3r enters Spain and I'm in the exact same issue, because Mist has no army to sit where I am right now.

Fleets can go into Gascony because it borders an ocean. So do you want my fleet to move to Gascony and my Army to support you into Brest?

[Mist7676]

VOTE: MAO SUP A GAS -> BRE

[Mist7676]

Why not have Portugal support you into Brest, Ani?

Because then d3f3nd3r enters Spain and I'm in the exact same issue, because Mist has no army to sit where I am right now.

Fleets can go into Gascony because it borders an ocean. So do you want my fleet to move to Gascony and my Army to support you into Brest?

Mist, you can only move to a place that borders your coast, so you can't go to Gascony from Marseilles.

Yup, so come on down to the gulf of Lyon, the water's warm and welcoming

That's not where I want to go!

Ani, would you be opposed to me jumping into Spain to get to Gascony? How would we maneuver this? We could take Brest in the Fall?

[Mist7676]

Ani, would you be opposed to me jumping into Spain to get to Gascony?

This is also Impossible.

You'd be on Spain's South Coast (SC), as Portugal separates the 2. You could go to MAO, but not gascony.

Why is this a THING.

[Mist7676]

Once again, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself. If Mist or Dan or whoever disagrees, they're free to state why.

I'm working with you at this point, but I'm barely reading the thread so update me if I need to do anything.

[Mist7676]

I agree with you that it would put you in a bad position to have them surrounding you north and east, and yes I'd very much prefer if Britain joined the larger effort to push back the MedAgree alliance's northern march.

We're not marching North, we're taking France which is done?

[Mist7676]

Well Nya can successfully help Radja into Serbia without any interference from me this year, even if I wanted to. That should effectively
prove that she's a team player if there was any doubt of it in the first place

Cheery: Nraas ford, upi syysvl

>Left

I'm having difficulty cracking this, please explain.

[Mist7676]

The only word I can decode is Bella? Bella, want to help?

[Mist7676]

Ani, how about this. I support you into Picardy to knock STD into the water. This is assuming someone takes Belgium (be it OGML or Matt). If OGML is still in Burgundy, I could support you into knocking him out. Or, alternate scenario, you move Spain army to Gascony and I support you from Gascony into knocking him out. TBH I just want him out of France.

[Mist7676]

Yo Mist, support Gascony up please.

DN - what are you doing with your Fleet. I'd like to move Portugal up to help with stuff, but I'd understand otherwise.

Understood.

[Mist7676]

Oh, hang on, OGML IS dark blue.

That would explain why he doesn't want me in Hel.

Randommidget, want my support?

Which colour are you?

@mod could we get colours of remaining people in the Op Please?

[Mist7676]

I could send a fleet around the top of the map towards Spain/Portugal I think.

y tho.

[Mist7676]

DN now that you've unified GB can we please bring the fight back to France?

Just pointing out that I have never expressed an attack towards DN. While DN has expressed a distrust towards you.

DN, I understand that you didn't want me in Paris because you trusted D3f3nd3r more, but I want to assure you that I'm willing to work with you as well.

[Mist7676]

MattP, I'd just like to point out that most likely, OGML will be taking Belgium when he retreats. It gives him an extra supply center and gives him more footing to target France. If he doesn't, then good on him, and he's definitely an ally that you can trust. But if not, note how he has been pointing out how he wants you to keep Holland and Belgium and how he quickly went back on that when the opportunity arose.

[Mist7676]

If I understand the rules correctly this should help for the Spring phase:

Attack one of them randomly. If it's the supporting one, it cuts support and everything bounces back. If it's the attacking one, you move into that territory but he keeps Holland.

[Mist7676]

Why wouldn't that work? Doesn't attacking cut off support?

[Mist7676]

I see.

Then all I can promise is that I can move into Picardy to be in a position to help you more in the Fall. If he does move into Belgium, flip a coin on what to do and hope for the best.

[Mist7676]

Matt I'm retreating my unit to Bel, we can't afford to go another year with that supply sitting empty instead of fighting on our side. I'll hand it over to you this year.

I missed that and tried giving you the benefit of the doubt hoping you would stay true to your intent earlier of allowing MattP to keep Holland and Belgium.

MattP, I'm sure you don't trust his excuse; he's allowed people he's promised to protect get killed.

Ani might be able to help. If he is, we actually have options. If not, then Holland is done. Looking at this from a game theory perspective, there's a few options here:

Spoiler: WARNING: HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIOS AHEAD

Follow me here, it might get a bit confusing, heck I'm confused myself.

I'm assigning names to movements. OGML is G for Germany; MattP is H for Holland; Ani is S for Spain.

OGML: Belgium attacks Holland with Kiel support (G1) or Kiel attacks Holland with Belgium support (G2) (or do nothing but let's go with his opportunistic track record here).
MattP: Attack Belgium (H1) or Attack Kiel (H2). (or holding basically killing himself.)
Ani: Support Holland into Belgium (S1) or Attack Belgium (S2). (or

That's eight scenarios, I'll run through them briefly and look for the best scenario:

1) (G1)(H1)(S1): This ends up with MattP in Holland, OGML in Belgium. i.e. Nothing Happens.
2) (G1)(H1)(S2): This ends up with MattP being bounced by Ani and OGML in Holland. MattP could retreat to the North Sea of DeathNote is willing to move out of the way. If there is no retreat option, MattP is kicked from the game.
3) (G1)(H2)(S1): This ends with MattP being forced out of Holland and retreating into the North Sea if DN moves or out of the game.
4) (G1)(H2)(S2): This ends with Ani taking Belgium and OGML in Holland, eliminating MattP from the game.
5) (G2)(H1)(S1): This ends with OGML's Kiel in Holland, and MattP in Belgium. OGML's Belgium army would retreat to Ruhr.
6) (G2)(H1)(S2): This ends with Ani cutting off the support from Belgium and everyone bouncing back leaving MattP in Holland and OGML in Kiel. i.e. Nothing Happens.
7) (G2)(H2)(S1): This ends with a failed support and OGML in Holland. MattP is forced to disband or move to North Sea if DN moves.
8) (G2)(H2)(S2): Ani cuts off Belgium support so everyone bounces back i.e. Nothing happens.

So favorable scenarios are: 1, 5(the only one where things actually happen), 6, 8. That's a 50/50 shot! But wait there's more! Seeing this, OGML realizes he wins 75% of the time by Belgium attacking Holland with Kiel supporting. So this will most likely be his move. This means MattP has to attack Belgium and Ani has to support MattP into Belgium. This leads to no one switching spaces. But if OGML decides to switch us up and go with the other scenario where he attack Holland using Kiel and with Belgium supporting, guess what? Holland and Belgium just switch spaces! So the perfect moves to keep MattP in the game are: (H1)(S1)

or

A Hol --> Bel
A Bur S A Hol --> Bel

Scenario 1 (G1): If OGML attacks with Belgium, then 2 vs 2 causes both to bounce back.
Scenario 2 (G2): If OGML attacks with Kiel then Belgium is kicked out to Ruhr, and Holland moves to Belgium. Basically a space switch.

Hey, both cases keep MattP alive! The first would be preferable, so I can come into Picardy and support Holland into Belgium in the fall. But if OGML just moves into Ruhr, then we end up with another stalemate. Eh, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. (Digression but if he does move Munich to Ruhr, then his army in Belgium would be disbanded in scenario 2 (this is assuming he actually does move Munich to Ruhr because it's better for him to force MattP to disband if he goes against his word.)

I wouldn't mind someone checking my work, but I ran things through the backstabbr simulator, so I'm pretty sure of this.

TL;DR:
OGML is not trustworthy and will most likely try to take Holland. If Ani helps, the best case scenario would be MattP moving Holland to Belgium and Ani using Burgundy to support Holland into Belgium. No matter what OGML does, this keeps MattP alive.

MattP run this move:

A Hol --> Bel

Ani run this move:

A Bur S A Hol --> Bel

[Mist7676]

blah blah blah everybody gangs up on ogml so his allies are all dead and now he gets blamed for that yawn

Hey, I'm only ganging up on you because you've expressed intent on moving the war to France; you want a war, you get a war.

[Mist7676]

How much longer is loki just ani's puppet?

He said he's coming back on the 4th which is today!

mist, hel is open so even in your fanciful simulator you're wrong, matt would not be eliminated in any scenario he would be able to retreat to hel. it is objectively a terrible move for me to backstab matt here, even if i weren't the subject of a witch hunt. and despite the constant propaganda i have no backstabbed anyone since diamond sentinel in year one.

Hmm, seemed to have missed that then! I accidentally left Holland as an army and not a fleet, so it didn't give me that option. Whatever the case, it's best not to leave MattP in a vulnerable position, and keeping Ani in Burgundy and myself in Picardy puts pressure on you regardless of you backstabbing MattP or not.

[Mist7676]

blah blah blah everybody gangs up on ogml so his allies are all dead and now he gets blamed for that yawn

Hey, I'm only ganging up on you because you've expressed intent on moving the war to France; you want a war, you get a war.

you ignored my repeated overtures to work with me against the medagree and even went so far is to completely ignore ani outright admitting he had been fantasizing about stabbing you in the back to stay loyal to an alliance committed to my destruction so yeah we're at war. if you want out of the medagree, by all means, take spain and talk to me we can have a jolly good time you'll unify france and we'll march on italy.

I have no reason to be against the MedAgree when my only ally would be you. I'd end up having to fight against Ani trying to take Brest while keeping Marseilles safe from his army in Burgundy. Plus, Ani has given me no reason to distrust him. You on the other hand have expressed distaste towards me. How am I supposed to know you'll just drop that when I start putting myself into danger to unify France? It makes no sense.

[Mist7676]

mist, hel is open so even in your fanciful simulator you're wrong, matt would not be eliminated in any scenario he would be able to retreat to hel. it is objectively a terrible move for me to backstab matt here, even if i weren't the subject of a witch hunt. and despite the constant propaganda i have no backstabbed anyone since diamond sentinel in year one.

Actually, even in this case, if you were to backstab him, he'd still be eliminated in the Fall in Hel.

[Mist7676]

Presumably, if I did in fact backstab him, I would lose any remaining support I do have on this map and he'd get support I couldn't stop either back into Hol or into Kiel, and all I would have accomplished is ruining what little credibility I have left.

DN could continue his neutrality streak and stay out of it and Random seems to be gone for now. By doing this, you gain 2 supply centers that you didn't originally have. It's so easy to continue dominating the map with these 2. But if you don't plan on attacking Holland, what do you plan on doing? If I move into Picardy, your army in Belgium will be stuck in Belgium. If you supported Munich into Burgundy, we could just force that troop to disband. You're playing a losing war here and you know it.

[Mist7676]

I just don't want to make promises I can't keep. I'll work as like... an agent for hire I suppose. What is Random going to do? Norway is a big unknown to me now and easily able to reach me. I'll just set up the English Fleets I guess and get them ready to support whoever needs it and can prove to me that I will benefit. I don't want to sit around doing nothing because i see the turks growing.

I'm also fine with Loki being a puppet so long as he just stays put.

I don't believe either of us have any malicious intent towards you. The only thing I can say is that I'm closer to you, and thus have more to help you if we were to become allies. Or if we were to go to war, more to lose as I have no way of getting to you within the next few turns while you have easier access to attack France.

Also, Loki will be coming back today, so he will no longer be a puppet.

[Mist7676]

Technically.... Random is closer to me.

Loki coming back is kinda a bummer for me though. Lets see what he says if he gets here. Either way, I still won't be able to do much this turn other then re position the fleets.

I meant between me and OGML

And I look forward to hearing what you have to say here then!

[Mist7676]

Presumably, if I did in fact backstab him, I would lose any remaining support I do have on this map and he'd get support I couldn't stop either back into Hol or into Kiel, and all I would have accomplished is ruining what little credibility I have left.

Considering Russia is showing no sign of fighting you despite all the previous things and Norway is literally standing still rather then fighting you, I don't think you could hurt your credibility, honestly. So this is a non-sequitor.

Mist, can you move into the ocean? If you go to Lyon, Monty goes to Tyrr, Nya goes to Ionian and I go to AEG, we can finally make the convoy of my dreams. Naples can move to Rome and we can convoy from Albany to Venice with the fleet in Adr.

Agreed. There's not much for OGML to lose here but much to gain.
How does me going into Lyon help with the convoy?

[Mist7676]

Oh my god it works.

[Mist7676]

[Mist7676]

Mist, I'm moving back. You need to fall back so I can support you in while Germany advances.

@DN:

I really need the English Channel right about now. Can I have it? I absolutely promise to not take anything.

Understood.

Sorry I couldn't help with the super convoy!

[Mist7676]

I'm just saying there's still time for Loki to make gains, and the door is currently open

I don't think that's in our position to do with Loki's spot. He's coming back soon and he will be able to make decisions such as these when he can.

He's already updating another game that I am in with him, so he's already able to post.

[Mist7676]

I anticipated your move DN, that's all there is to it. If I hadn't I would have used Ruhr to try to protect Mun.

Hah.

[Mist7676]

@Ani/Mist - I'm probably going to need your help after all so maybe moving into the English channel is needed.

Sure, give me a bit to get there.

I'll do what I can to help.

[Mist7676]

I did myself a favor I did Matt a favor. If you pulled the sneak attack which you claim was low probability after have done it, then I have preserved Matt's territory and prevented you from gaining a build. If I ended up with the territory it preserves my unit in pie.

I'm playing diplomacy and fuck you for implying that makes me a bad person.

All I'm saying is you're playing underhandedly but then claiming your not. Call a spade a spade.

[Mist7676]

So Ani, what do we do now?

[Mist7676]

It doesn't look like there's really any way to save myself from here unless I have some support from the rest of the MedAgree?

[Mist7676]

So do I crawl up and die or am I allowed to live?

[Mist7676]

Let her live

Thank you

@Ani- I support what you are doing and think you should just finish it. I am not moving into the english channel and by extention, MAO. So please do no build a fleet.

Rude.

[Mist7676]

Ani just thought she was MIA. It doesn't have to be more than that.

[Mist7676]

I'm could disband my army if Nyalite and Shadoweh are willing to help me get into Marseilles? That would leave us with a fleet that we need, but leaves me in a position where it's easier to take me out.

[Mist7676]

I would feel better about this.

[Mist7676]

Because it was pretty obvious you were going to attack her I'm assuming. There was no other reason to move your army bur and not even talk about it or give a reason.

I felt threatened when Ani posted this:

I'm actually moving that fleet to Brest.

I figured that he had no reason to move inland unless he wanted to put pressure on me or didn't trust me. I tried to bounce his armies just so I could have another round to get back on my feet.

Matt, is it possible I can be given control too? I don't think I'm down and out yet.

[Mist7676]

I'm fine with that.

[Mist7676]

?

He gave us his territories. Shouldn't that mean we are allowed to take it?

[Mist7676]

So who wants to draw again?

[Mist7676]

Vote: A Kie Supports A Bur ---> Mun

[Mist7676]

What do I do this round? Move into Picardy or Burgundy?

[Mist7676]

I had a dream about this game last night where Mist won

beautiful.

[Mist7676]

Moving into Munich now! Hopefully I have more than one center by the end of this round!

[Mist7676]

So I only just noticed that the thickness of the lines represents how much support it got

I think it's actually how far away it is. Like very far distances include thin lines

Uhm, I hope Green is an okay color because I'm slightly closer then Mist is.
Why not coat Brest in red, viva la france? ^.^

[Mist7676]

EDIT: Never mind I think you're right!!

[Mist7676]

I wouldn't even be able to fight against them I have like 2 armies. I'm just here hoping for a draw. If you want to try and give me Marsailles before they get there (which is highly unlikely), then yeah do it. But I really don't have a choice right now! Plus you were so much more willing to backstab me a while back. Nyalite and Shadoweh haven't done anything against me just yet. I'm more willing to work with them than with you right now.

[Mist7676]

This is true!

[Mist7676]

Wouldn't it be better to support me into Berlin so we can start pushing The Breeze back out with three troops? If Bella moves into Berlin, we risk Silesia up for attack and back to square one. He'd still be able to threaten Moscow.

[Mist7676]

I don't mind them keeping Marsailles because I'm moving up. It'd be dumb for me to move my forces down and then up again.

[Mist7676]

I submitted a draw a while ago and was told I am on auto-draw

[Mist7676]

Hey, I submitted a move, why didn't it get posted?

[Mist7676]

Thank you mod~

[Mist7676]

I would hope that's already the case?

[Mist7676]

Poor Ani

[Mist7676]

I'll be taking Kiel and Brest this round. I'm pretty sure it's just Lady that never drew.

[Mist7676]

Tempted by the hot pink so I can build a fleet...

I'm taking it for the same reason ;P

[Mist7676]

Yeah I should have finished off Mist. Oh well! I knew I was going to get Best Negotiator, heh.

You totally should have. I apologize for what happened that year I went inactive to try and get you to let down your guard around me and it was just the year that you decided to attack me! I had to work with Nyalite and Shadoweh to have any hope of surviving, so sorry for turning the blame on you.

I don't know who else was not drawing, because initially, when I was in a bad spot, I was fine with the draw. But when I realized I was in a good position to take a lot of the territories, I withdrew my draw. I probably wouldn't have gotten too far without the Turks catching on, but hey Tel, I tried

Thank you so much Flum for hosting this, it was such a great game and I really hope to play another one like this soon!