Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[Nosferatu]

*your

[Nosferatu]

I knew something was bothering me, just couldn't remember what

[RadiantCowbells]

I will stop calling you LLD if you vote SS with me.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: SS

[Bellaphant]

Shit, sorry. Rl sucks balls right now, I'm gonna try and catch up right now and if not I'll speak to kelbris.

[SnarkySnowman]

I have justification - you've posted very little, you've derailed what I think was a possible route of discussion, which I think would have been productive, and you've avoided giving opinion on anyone other than CoM and now myself, as far as alignment goes. Plus, I see the associative between you and CoM forming, and I think that I could get some information out of your lynch, which I think is more likely to be scum than CoM's.

1. What route of discussion, you never describe it in your ISO
2. This is true, but I also find it odd that you find that a person only giving an opinion on one person, who was in fact the subject of discussion at the time scummy. Wouldn't bringing up someone else have diverted the discussion? Seem s like either way you could present it as scummy.
3. The associative argument is just chianing lynches and CoM already flipped town. But then the you say they aren't of the same alignment? But then you have CoM at a scum-lean?

You're reads are a mess from my point of view.

A - I thought both CoM and Severa were scummy, but definitely not of the same alignment. I thought Severa/RC was way more likely to be scum than CoM. I wasn't wrong to not be on the CoM wagon, which I thought was probably town.

B - Severa/RC has de-railed the shit out of Killthestory, on a few things. I can see the associative between RC and Bellephant, by the way, who are probably scumbuddies.

C - RC is certainly scum, I don't know why people think I'm scum other than people listening to RC and being like "Welp its RC he's probably right I guess"

[SnarkySnowman]

For the record, updated reads.

Town {MagnaofIllusion, Oceanwind, Ollie, Killthestory}
Townlean {acryon, Lowell, Nosferatu}
Scumlean {Imperium, hueristically_alone}
Scum {RC, Bellephant}

[Imperium]

Shit, sorry. Rl sucks balls right now, I'm gonna try and catch up right now and if not I'll speak to kelbris.

please don't replace out!
if you need to take a short V/LA, then go ahead and take it.

[Imperium]

This is a pure burden-of-proficiency argument where he is setting up to discredit Imperium and shoving the responsibility for the mislynch squarely on them. This despite the fact that the majority of the town wanted Church dead and we didn't have the numbers to switch regardless of Imperium's push there. Another issue I have is the vagueness of his threat. "I'll start to have a problem" leaves him open to either discredit them or push for a mislynch without committing to a position.

This is the reason I started to have suspicion of him overnight; the vague threat to us if CoM flipped town looked like he was preempting pushing a lynch on us after CoM flipped town. I'm not really sure what I feel about him now.

And that's IF you're town.

If he's town? I thought OceanWind was one of your stronger townreads from yesterday?

[Nosferatu]

I fail to see how severa/RC de-railed kts or what you even mean by that.

another question, why did your read on me move up?

[Imperium]

RC, also wouldn't mind if you could remind me why you think Snarky is scun.

[Imperium]

The townread of mine that was a townread for the shakiest logic was Lowell, considering the strong part of that townread was based on Lowell not bussing CoM in the way that he did. I'm still not really townreading Snarky or Alone; at this point, I think I probably have the stronger scumread on Alone but I don't mind pushing Snarky for a little while first.

[SnarkySnowman]

I fail to see how severa/RC de-railed kts or what you even mean by that.

another question, why did your read on me move up?

Tone/intent. And let me fetch quotes

[kelbris]

Well...dang, guess Heuristically_Alone has gotta be replaced. Also, prodding Oceanwind.

[SnarkySnowman]

Or just read page 18 onward, where Severa basically says I'm not scumhunting because I'm scumreading him.

[kelbris]

vote count 2.03

Bellaphant (0): none
Severa (4) [L-3]: Oceanwind, SnarkySnowman, killthestory, Heuristically_Alone

Jim Heuristically_Alone

Ranger (0): none

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman (3) [L-4]: Severa, Imperium, Nosferatu
MagnaofIllusion (0): none
Imperium (0): none
Killthestory (1): MagnaofIllusion
Lowell (1): Ollie
Nosferatu (0): none
acryon (0): none
OceanWind (0): none
Ollie (1): Lowell
not voting: Bellaphant, Acryon,
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
day 2 has begun, it will end in (expired on 2016-05-04 20:01:46)

[acryon]

Back! Going to to a read through tomorrow and will add my comments then.

[heuristically_alone]

Hey everyone. Letting you know I'm still here. Turned into a crazy weekend. I'll add more thought tomorrow, promise!

[Killthestory]

u got replaced ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[RadiantCowbells]

This is a pure burden-of-proficiency argument where he is setting up to discredit Imperium and shoving the responsibility for the mislynch squarely on them. This despite the fact that the majority of the town wanted Church dead and we didn't have the numbers to switch regardless of Imperium's push there. Another issue I have is the vagueness of his threat. "I'll start to have a problem" leaves him open to either discredit them or push for a mislynch without committing to a position.

This is the reason I started to have suspicion of him overnight; the vague threat to us if CoM flipped town looked like he was preempting pushing a lynch on us after CoM flipped town. I'm not really sure what I feel about him now.

And that's IF you're town.

If he's town? I thought OceanWind was one of your stronger townreads from yesterday?

Man.
Do you think I would blatantly do something like that?
If I'm scum, my plays are deeper than you've anticipated: every single scum game I've ever played my 'play' has been deeper than at least 2 mislynches will figure out.
Read my 1 scum loss: 192. Where I had my teammates bus me and they got replaced with people who did literally nothing and got lynched mostly on policy.
Do you really think I did something as blatant as setting you up to take the fall for CoM?
If you did, where do you think me ignoring you (until you ignored the thread for 2+ days) falls into it?

[Nosferatu]

On the subject of his scumgame, RC literally claimed cop to get a PR lynched that game, he's fucking nuts and while I've learned to avoid making assumptions when concerning his play, I really doubt he'd simply pit two town members against each other or have someone take the fall for a mislynch. From my experience, RC likes to use mind games and turn assumptions about what is likely town against you. He's manipulative of ideas and thoughts, but not actions from what I know of him.

[Imperium]

I'm going to bed but real quick:

Yeah, that is what we thought over night. I'm not sure why you'd expect us to have such intimate knowledge of your scum game that we can't suspect something like that. But you also have to think of our position and what we were thinking after we saw our biggest scum read flip town.

Your posting today quelled that overnight suspicion quite a bit or we'd not be voting snarky right now with you.

All right sleep time. Sorrow if that's not explained really well.

[RadiantCowbells]

On the subject of his scumgame, RC literally claimed cop to get a PR lynched that game, he's fucking nuts and while I've learned to avoid making assumptions when concerning his play, I really doubt he'd simply pit two town members against each other or have someone take the fall for a mislynch. From my experience, RC likes to use mind games and turn assumptions about what is likely town against you. He's manipulative of ideas and thoughts, but not actions from what I know of him.

and for the record
if I didn't want to be lynched at the time in NY192, I wouldn't have been.
Titus who was scum with em was pivotal in my lynch.
I'm town here. shush.

[kelbris]

I...am unsure what to do, on the one hand Heuristically_Alone posts and on the other hand someone else has already asked to be the replacement AND I have sent the role PM. God damn it

[SnarkySnowman]

Probably replace, I think?