The Third Fortnight (Game Over [Bonus Round])

[Quilford]

Ugh I'm town again.

I don't even like playing scum but come on

[Quilford]

VOTE: Marquis

Dancing around your alignment always seems like it should be a scumtell.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

pls show where marquis was 'dancing around' his alignment

[Quilford]

hi marqy (:

[Quilford]

wassup

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gorkington are you usually this antsy

[Quilford]

i'm just talking about #43 and #51

[Quilford]

oic

[Quilford]

So it's SnarkySnowman and Reck??

[Quilford]

Yep. Game solved, page 4, thx evry1

[Quilford]

Nope

[Quilford]

Why do you ask?

[Quilford]

Yeah I mean I was kinda joking about calling the scumteam on page 4 :/

[Quilford]

I do think Reck's #74 reads as pretty awkward though.

[Quilford]

I do think Reck's #74 reads as pretty awkward though.

i agree.
i kind of want to see reck get into the game before throwing too much pressure at him, if that makes sense?

yep

[Quilford]

I will have a stab at an explanation after I sit this midterm

[Quilford]

lol i feel like i pulled the night shift in this game

[Quilford]

everyone's gone and had their four pages while i was asleep

[Quilford]

okie dokie time to catch up

[Quilford]

Antihero
Bins
Cogito Ergo Sum
Davsto
Gorkington
hiplop
JohnnyFarrar
Katsuki
KuroiXHF
Marquis
Quilford
SnarkySnowman
T-Bone
The Bulge
xRECKONERx
zMuffinMan

[Quilford]

til that pressing tab and then space will post your post

[Quilford]

in T-Bone's iso I see not just lurking but also an attempt to look pro-town; I don't think he's necessarily the scummiest but I would say the scum motivation for his posting seems the most obvious.

Hey CES, can you elaborate?

[Quilford]

P-edit: you should've put an asterisk next to your scum partner, Quilford. Disappointed in you.

soz

[Quilford]

VOTE: KuroiXHF

ugh blugh i need people to post more

[Quilford]

why would that matter?

[Quilford]

just casually butting in on everyone's conversations :3

[Quilford]

hey zmuff also you said you didn't really say you had any grand case for voting t-bone just some of his posts rubbed you the wrong way; do you agree with anything of what ces is describing in the part of his #323 i quoted in #332?

[Quilford]

hey anti serious question: why do you think zmuff asked?

[Quilford]

well i got bored of waiting for zmuffin to answer so i decided to ask you in the hope that you knew because you were online and idk maybe you know zmuff's thought processes a bit better than i do

[Quilford]

cheet?

[Quilford]

anti who is cheet

[Quilford]

O____O

i didn't know i was playing with cheet! HI CHHET

[Quilford]

If you want to vote someone who's not posting much, aim lower because I'm in the middle of the pack.

I want to vote someone who's not giving any visible appearance that they're scumhunting, and you fit that criterion perfectly.

[Quilford]

ugh this is so boring. can someone hurry up and do something obvscum

[Quilford]

There are certain people who I am deliberately not voting even though I think they are scummy because I don't want to make a move yet, want more content from them before I start something

[Quilford]

But also, see my wiki page?

[Quilford]

If you want to vote someone who's not posting much, aim lower because I'm in the middle of the pack.

I want to vote someone who's not giving any visible appearance that they're scumhunting, and you fit that criterion perfectly.

Wait, what? There are people who don't agree with my vote or my criticism of the Bulge wagon, and that's fine, but it's laughable to say that out of

everyone

here,

I'm

the one not scum hunting?

Get out of my face with this nonsense.

You've basically been making a bunch of really whiny mafia theory arguments and haven't produced any explanation for why CES' jump on the wagon disturbed you most so I'm quite comfortable with saying you're not scumhunting.

[Quilford]

*visibly

I mean who knows maybe you're in internal reads turmoil, but you really haven't been putting much across except the aforementioned theory arguments with Anti et al and theory arguments really don't impress me in a 14-day game

[Quilford]

Maybe, but I've been burnt too many times for writing people reads based on their tone. See my wiki.

[Quilford]

No one's looking at your fucking wiki.

Could you be any more of a baby?

[Quilford]

im gonna put a paragraph in my wiki called "made you look" and then start saying see my wiki. ;) wouldnt pretend its a strong read at this stage, but in a game of this size it seems unproductive to ignore reasonably useful tells. [theres also that this feels nothing like scumKuroi]

The only reason I'm referring you to my wiki page is to save myself the trouble of posting it here. It's been working for me well so far; I'm sticking to it like an ascetic.

[Quilford]

Yes. I could shit myself and suck some titties, but that would be irrelevant to the game, much like your reply.

idk man 'shit' and 'sucky' are adjectives that seem pretty relevant to your play atm

[Quilford]

ay quilford. tell me about another scumread of your's.

CES. I'm very leery about how he characterised T-Bone's posts with lots of mafia jargon without going into any specifics at all. If you're going to say 'in T-Bone's iso I see not just lurking but also an attempt to look pro-town' you really need to point out specific posts in which you see this and if you say 'the scum motivation for his posting seems the most obvious' you really need to explain what the motivation is.

Sigh. I never feel like I can read CES anyway so I still hope he does elaborate on his T-Bone post. I feel like people switch off to you when you vote them; this is what I was alluding to when I made my post #367 to Marquis.

But I like you and you're my equal-strongest Town read so I feel compelled to please you with a scumread hahaa

Anyway.

[Quilford]

quillllllll. just let it go. this game doesnt need to get noisy and i trust you to rise above this sort of stuff okay?

Really? I can get super muckrakey. I don't know if you saw my epic flame war with EspeciallyTheLies in Team Mafia last year, that was pretty shameful lol

[Quilford]

how much experience do you have with CES? how would you classify his scumgame from what youve seen of it?

I probably have been in a decent number of games with CES and read a couple more. I dunno; like I said, I find it very hard to read him. I don't think his towngame and his scumgame are substantially different. Perhaps because he has developed such a distinctive, brief style that people don't try to bother trying to extract more substantial posts out of him, which is where some differences might begin to emerge?

[Quilford]

also, quilford. i require your expert experience on davsto as well. what do you make of him?

He also hasn't done any scumhunting of note—like, nothing. So you can guess he's probably not in my townreads. Once I start hearing from him what he thinks about specific players and why, I'll have more complex things to say.

[Quilford]

p-edit: but he has 28 posts. does the lack of vibes youre getting from that many posts not ring alarms for you?

It does, yes. Just, alarm clock alarms, that you can kind of hit snooze on and go back to bed, and not fire alarm alarms, where ignoring them is a really bad idea. If that makes sense. Metaphors!

[Quilford]

Marquis I am extremely distressed that somehow I am a scumread of yours :/

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Then again I don't think we have been in many games together so maybe it's understandable

[Quilford]

How do you have a townread on Kats btw?

[Quilford]

I'm confused. Has "attempting to look pro-town" become a buzzword since I've been away?

I'm confused. Has anyone asserted that it has?

[Quilford]

Look CES, the fact that I didn't use the word 'buzzword' isn't the point anyway. All I want you to do is back up the points you made about T-Bone with links to specific posts of his that you think prove it. You did it perfectly well in the link below so I know you're capable of it as town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6739518

I'm going to bed now because it's past two but I really do hope that when I get up I'll see some actual hard evidence.

[Quilford]

You guys are doofuses

[Quilford]

VOTE: Reck

[Quilford]

#74 just reads so screechingly awkward to me. It's just such an unconfident-sounding and ambiguity-filled attempt at scumhunting that I think town would never have made it. It really reads to me as something scum would post to give the appearance they're keeping up at the game. I mean, with stuff like (my emphasis):

This bothers me because it's so attention-grabby,

but then again

, it's Katsuki.

Feels

at least somewhat

genuine. When I made that post I thought to myself, "some town asshole is going to call me scum for complaining about game length because this happens every time" so hiplop gets that title,

I guess

. Town

for now

.

-

dunno what to think

a/b gork, i have no metric for reading him,

seems pretty null atm

it's lampshading, but it's town lampshading*

(*disclaimer: I cannot read lampshading well so im flipping a coin and calling it a day for now)

None of these things on their own is bad or unusual, but a post that is literally composed of them... I don't think town, with reads that strength, would have bothered. I don't think Reckoner town, with reads that strength, would have bothered. And if Reckoner town, with reads that strength, did bother, I think it would have been accompanied by some sort of self-deprecating statement about how weak his reads are.

Add that to him asking the exact same question about SnarkySnowman's post #32 that I did in my post #45 and

i was going to be scum AGAIN but then reroll

i believe this, marquis is town

which I still don't know if it's sincere or not because I don't think Reck town would actually sincerely give someone townpoints for claiming their own alignment is town, and I really want Reck to be town because he's virtually unlynchable anyway, but the rest of the post reads very sincere so... it's just a trainwreck. And it set off alarm bells ringing immediately. Fire alarm alarm bells.

Anyway yeah idk reck hasn't posted in ages now so I felt it was time to write this up

[Quilford]

Good one m9

[Quilford]

Maybe in like a 90 page game that's been going on for over a month and there have been several unexpected flips it would look a bit more in place, but on page 3 of a game that's less than 36 hours new it is completely out of place.

I really hope you don't work in any field that requires any sort of depth of analysis or critical thinking, because dropping out of someone's argument because you don't like their introduction, well before you even get to the body of evidence, is generally a sign that you're pretty fucking blinkered.

[Quilford]

The last game I was in with Reck we were literally masons together so I feel pretty okay with the arguments I'm making for what Reck is unlikely to do as town if you would care to actually fucking read them

[Quilford]

Not to mention the time before that where I knew he had a town PM and was in his team during Team Mafia

[Quilford]

Have you and Reck literally ever shared an alignment in a game you played to completion Antihero?

[Quilford]

I just can't even with this game rn

Why are all my townreads being morons?

[Quilford]

i certainly don't think it's inappropriate to not have confident reads on page 3. so yeah, i still don't think that point has much merit.

that wasn't the point

at all

. of course it's fine to not have confident reads on page 3. i didn't have confident reads on page 3 at all. this is what i said:

I don't think town, with reads that strength, would have bothered. I don't think Reckoner town, with reads that strength, would have bothered. And if Reckoner town, with reads that strength, did bother, I think it would have been accompanied by some sort of self-deprecating statement about how weak his reads are.

you are perfectly entitled to have weak reads on page 3. but to make an entire post in which you do nothing but fence-sit on people's alignments, without seemingly any reflection at all about why your reads are so weak, is deeply strange.

the vast majority of the players in this game probably had nothing but weak reads by page 3. reck was the only one who made a post (the longest post in the game up to that point) about it.

[Quilford]

that's the worst kind of meta imo, it's been used on me in this manner, and it's super fucking annoying by people that think they know me when they don't know a goddamn thing. "antihero isn't doing x, he ALWAYS does x as town, OMGZ ROPEZ HIM NOWZ DIE SCUM DIE." people's approaches change over time and sometimes depend on extraneous shit like mood and out of game factors that are impossible to predict or account for. trying to read people off that (ESPECIALLY from one early-game post) is just bad.

Look it might be super fucking annoying when people's analysis of you conflicts with the way you view yourself, but that doesn't mean what they're saying is wrong or bad. In fact, when people tell me X about myself I tend to sit up and listen because I kind of have a vested interest in the way I personally conceive of my personality, my meta, etc, and that means I might have a conception of myself that isn't shared by other people?

Meta is a history of your mafia personality. Sure your personality might change a little depending on extraneous shit but never, I would argue, in a way that's really unpredictable, unless you've actually had a full on breakdown or relapse into depression or whatever.

[Quilford]

your point about him being too heavy-handed on the marquis townread might have something to it, but i was thinking the same thing at the time so ... meh. maybe i'm a sucker, but that opening seems pretty ballsy for him to make as scum (and i don't think of marquis as particularly ballsy scum. compare: steven universe where he diddly fucked around in claiming he picked scum.)

Out of all the things that are ballsy for scum to do, typing the equivalent of 'I am not scum' and hitting post strikes me as pretty low on the scale. Not to mention that you seem to be metaing someone off a single early-game post, the thing you just described as 'the worst kind of meta' and 'super fucking annoying'.

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I mean in the last Fortnight, where Marquis won as scum, he basically invented a stupid posting schtick and stuck to it for the first 48 hours of the game so I think posting 'I was scum before the reroll' is well within his powers.

This is not to say that I think Marquis is scum though. In a stroke of delicious Quil-flavoured irony, he is at present one of my stronger townreads.

[Quilford]

i think a back-and-forth between reck/quilford would be more productive than this.

Look I'm just bored, stuck in a terrible timezone, most of the game is offline while I'm online so I'm really trying to juice as many words out of people as I can. Ily and all, but please stop pontificating on what is and isn't productive.

[Quilford]

Gorkington as I understand it you're not voting anyone. Who do you most want to vote? Is it Davsto?

[Quilford]

No don't leaveeeee

[Quilford]

You are literally the most town person in this game for miles so I would really appreciate it if you would share your thoughts on Davsto and why you took your vote off him

[Quilford]

Anti, I do get what you're thinking to some extent but I just heavily disagree with it and I would prefer people listen to my side of the story. I don't think you're an idiot, the red mist just came down when you loudly announced that, two sentences in, that my case on Reck was not worth reading and that you were going to pass judgement on it without reading more than ten words or whatever

[Quilford]

I feel like I am getting all the page-tops this game

[Quilford]

will do

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anti i get the impression you don't feel very confident yourself. what's happening with your reads?

[Quilford]

Kats are you caught up?

[Quilford]

Kats I really want to have a read on you ): please hope me

[Quilford]

Kats where are you caught up to?

[Quilford]

Kats I really want to have a read on you ): please hope me

Ok well I'm town does that help? :]

no ;-;

you know what would help? just giving a read and explaining why, even if it's a conflicted one

[Quilford]

Kats I really want to have a read on you ): please hope me

Ok well I'm town does that help? :]

no ;-;

you know what would help? just giving a read and explaining why, even if it's a conflicted one

preferably a scumread but w/e i'll take anything from you atm

[Quilford]

pagetop!!!!

[Quilford]

but from a scumhunting perspective this game could not be going worse

:[[[

[Quilford]

so when do you think you'll have the motivation

[Quilford]

if you dislike the setup and have no motivation to catch up, have you considered replacing out? early game is the time to do it.

[Quilford]

also i dont think traditional scum hunting works in this game unless scum are really bad players

really? i disagree completely. what do you consider 'traditional scum hunting' to entail?

[Quilford]

yeah yeah it's coming. went to see why the dog was barking

[Quilford]

Quilford since you;re here, who's town and who's scum?

very town:
gorkington
antihero

lean town:
marquis
t-bone

weak town:
bins
hiplop
johnnyfarrar
kuroiXHF
snarkysnowman

null:
ces
davsto
katsuki
the bulge
zmuffin

weak scum:
reck

[Quilford]

to me, scumhunting has always meant 'analysing subtleties in a person's play to determine whether they are informed or uninformed, and thus their alignment'

i fail to see how this game spurns scumhunting. the uninformed / informed core mechanic of mafia is still here no?

[Quilford]

to me, scumhunting has always meant 'analysing subtleties in a person's play to determine whether they are informed or uninformed, and thus their alignment'

i fail to see how this game spurns scumhunting. the uninformed / informed core mechanic of mafia is still here no?

informed about what? the fact that 1 out of 15 other players is scum?

yes?

i mean, did you not read the bold text in the signup thread where zoraster said 'this is a very difficult game to win'?

[Quilford]

you've gotta embrace the struggle muffin. that's how you should find town, and that's how you should get people townreading you in this setup

[Quilford]

VOTE: zmuffin

:/ sorry but i'd really like you to bother, even just a little bit would be nice

[Quilford]

where did kats go anyway

[Quilford]

zmuffin how does 'poking people to make a better-informed decision' have any bearing on how you win after d1?

[Quilford]

also i just realised zmuff and i joined ms.net on the same day o.o

[Quilford]

which is why the way you should be playing the game is going "hey dude what's your opinion on x and why" and having them go "oh hey yeah this is why i think z what about you bro?" and then them going "don't call me bro and also this is why i think a, b and c" and then when we fuck up d1 at least there's something to go on rather than "oh, well, this player actually didn't give a single opinion on like half the game and like half the game didn't give a single opinion on him... great!" but that doesn't work when half the player list is active (and i don't pretend i'm playing optimally right now, either)

so, like, we agree completely on how the game should be played (i'm guessing you meant 'when half the player list is

in

active')

so why aren't you trying to do that, have you decided it's a lost cause? i know you're saying you dont claim to be playing optimally but i'm just wondering why

anyway you seem to have a town read on katsuki, can you explain why that is?

[Quilford]

so why aren't you trying to do that, have you decided it's a lost cause? i know you're saying you dont claim to be playing optimally but i'm just wondering why

anyway you seem to have a town read on katsuki, can you explain why that is?

i have been doing that, just not in the last couple pages...

i also don't have some super amazing explanation for why i think cupcake is probably town - i just do and he's not playing like how i figure he would play as scum. there are "subtleties" in the things he writes, as you might put it, outside of the fact that i think he's more likely to approach the game how i would as scum if he rolled scum. i mean, i could probably go over all his posts and write what i like about each of the posts that i like but that is also more effort than i think is necessary so i'm probably not going to do that, even if you were to ask

how would katsuki play as scum? i have little to no experience with katsuki generally so i'm curious as to how you'd characterise it.

in lieu of going over all of his posts and writing what you like about each of the posts that you like, which you're right is way more effort than is necessary, perhaps you could do just one? because i'm really struggling with kats' play.

[Quilford]

okay, thanks.

VOTE: reck

[Quilford]

quilford!
i would like you to argue at me your hiplop townlean!
!

oh i mean it's in the weakest town category for a reason but i just liked...

...

actually i misread his post #294.

i could probably go for a vote there

[Quilford]

yeah okay let's do hiplop why not!

VOTE: hiplop

i don't know why i ever liked his #294, i must not have read it closely enough. i actually really dislike it now lol

[Quilford]

i feel a little bit better about ces too now, yay

[Quilford]

>:O PAGETOP

[Quilford]

grats

[Quilford]

to me, scumhunting has always meant 'analysing subtleties in a person's play to determine whether they are informed or uninformed, and thus their alignment'

i fail to see how this game spurns scumhunting. the uninformed / informed core mechanic of mafia is still here no?

informed about what? the fact that 1 out of 15 other players is scum?

yes?

i mean, did you not read the bold text in the signup thread where zoraster said 'this is a very difficult game to win'?

I agree with muffinman 100%. This is an exceedingly easy game for scum to win.

Maybe it's just that I've been in both previous runs of the game, but I don't agree.

[Quilford]

also i just realised zmuff and i joined ms.net on the same day o.o

Nope you two are a day apart!

Not according to my timezone!!

[Quilford]

Muffins argument boiled down to the game is easy for scum if town is shit and passes up as scumspects people who have charisma and are putting in effort which seems trivially correct

And n = 1. Be the change you want to see in the world.

[Quilford]

I think that sees hiplop at L-3, by the way.

[Quilford]

Is it just me or did hiplop just say 'this happened last time too. I voted scum and then everyone piled on me', implying CES is scum, then vote me implying I am scum, and then make a post saying there's probably only one scum between me and CES? (and Davsto)

Makes no sense whatsoever

[Quilford]

In all seriousness though, what was the point of posting a list of all players alphabetically? I assume it was a readslist that failed because you forgot to submit, but then why did you not post an actual readslist after?

No. I copied the playerlist into the text box in the posting page, trying to use it as a text editor to take a few notes on various players while I reread the game. You know how when you use the Tab key in Word or Notepad everything lines up neatly? Well, I forgot that it didn't have the same effect in the posting page. What it actually did was highlight the submit button. I then pressed space to see where my typing cursor went and that had the effect of hitting the submit button. Lol.

Maybe in like a 90 page game that's been going on for over a month and there have been several unexpected flips it would look a bit more in place, but on page 3 of a game that's less than 36 hours new it is completely out of place.

This seems... the wrong way round? I expect people to be more unsure of their reads like "hmm which way is it" on page 3 of a game when they've probably only seen a number of posts below 10 of any player, whereas in a 90 page game I'd be a little sceptical of someone that unsure and doubting.

You are not paying attention to the context of the argument, in which I say that it's perfectly fine to not have solid reads on page 3 but it is hella weird to make a big post about it.

yeah okay let's do hiplop why not!

VOTE: hiplop

i don't know why i ever liked his #294, i must not have read it closely enough. i actually really dislike it now lol

Why do you actually really dislike it now? Could you stretch your brain a little and try and remember why you liked it before?

Yes, I didn't like CES at the time. I especially did not like that he had gone on to vote T-Bone, one of my stronger town reads, for what I saw as flimsy reasoning (I expressed this in my other posts). However, I got the chronology confused when I went back to reread the game and upon coming across #294 did not realise that CES had not voted T-Bone yet. I saw that hiplop disliked CES for jumping around with his votes and agreed. I gave some townpoints to hiplop for bringing it up. When Gorkington asked me to justify my townread on hiplop to him, I went back and read #294 again and saw that it took place before CES's T-Bone vote, and that furthermore it tried to paint CES's light-hearted and pretty typically-CES bandwagoning in a sinister light, which I didn't like at all. Thus: the hiplop vote.

[Quilford]

hey gorky have you played with davsto before?

[Quilford]

Why not?

well i mean basically all in-thread scumhunting ceases more or less after we all become third parties (if hiplop does turn out to be town) so it would be nice for everyone to have made a solid 20 posts or so to ensure there'd actually be stuff to think about from each player

[Quilford]

speaking of which, we really need a prod on snarkysnowman

[Quilford]

Johnny, are you going to flee? I have no idea what you think about most people.

^ insofar as it would be great to hear what you think of people Johnny

I can tell you that, from my experience in the previous two games, what happens after we become third parties is that there's a little bout of finger-pointing over getting the lynch wrong and then zilch aside from people acting evasive when asked who they're accusing and generally hyperventilating over that

[Quilford]

I don't even think T-Bone has posted since you were last here lol

[Quilford]

hiplop a lot more flaily here then when he was going to be lynched in the previous fortnight.

[Quilford]

need to do some proper scum meta

[Quilford]

you're doing that classic scum tactic where you lash out at people voting you because it's much easier and much more imperative to try and poke holes in their reasoning than it is to search for scum elsewhere

i mean outside of your first three posts you have exclusively attacked people voting you

[Quilford]

thanks dear. so, who's scum apart from me, ces, davsto and antihero?

[Quilford]

one of reck, the bulge, katsuki and snarkysnowman though i feel worst about reck, defs need meatier, scumhuntier posts out of him after #74 but he seems to be going through a rough patch irl so i don't know if we're gonna get them :/

[Quilford]

he called me town and then someone voted me and decided I was his scummiest read

i don't know why you continue to deliberately lie by omission when at least two people apart from me have pointed that this is dead wrong

[Quilford]

quil still hanging onto a post i made on like page 3 of this game after 33 pages is very gross

if someone comes in in the early game, makes one substantial post that is really scummy and then effectively disappears then i'm pretty happy with scumreading them!

you have not done shit for figuring out people's alignments in the 33 pages = four days since

[Quilford]

one of reck, the bulge, katsuki and snarkysnowman though i feel worst about reck, defs need meatier, scumhuntier posts out of him after #74 but he seems to be going through a rough patch irl so i don't know if we're gonna get them :/

"all the lurkers"

"all the people who have voted me"

[Quilford]

I'm pretty happy with the contributions of most people who have not been lurking! Although some of my town reads are much stronger than others.

But I know, scum lurking in a high-pressure game sounds like a daring if not outright revolutionary tactic, and it's pretty extraordinary of me to advance the idea. Take your time to digest it.

[Quilford]

so hiplop do you scumread anyone who's not on your wagon?

[Quilford]

Yeah I mean I have interacted with Katsuki a lot and there are a couple of specific things that make him less likely than reck, the bulge or snarky but by his own admission he's not having too much luck with scumhunting this game and that's generally what I give townpoints for

[Quilford]

has he answered any of the questions anyone's asked him in the past 30 pages?

[Quilford]

I would feel like nine gazillion times better about hiplop if his pushes weren't weak as shit.

[Quilford]

Like can you sort that shit out pls if you're town

[Quilford]

Anti's and Gorkington's have been great

[Quilford]

But everyone who I have even the weakest townread on has made at least one push that has the vaguest semblance of decency

[Quilford]

Like can you sort that shit out pls if you're town

Terrible when backed into a wall

Have you even read the whole game though?

[Quilford]

VOTE: snarky

the thread avoidance is real

He

is

, moronically, alive in like 6 other games. Is it alignment indicative?

[Quilford]

Care to explain how Davsto and hiplop went from a nullscum to a townlean in your reads?

[Quilford]

so what's wrong with #83?

[Quilford]

How far have you progressed with your reading Nosferatu?

[Quilford]

Do you reckon you'll finish reading the game within the next 24 hours or so?

[Quilford]

Okay.

*wonders what Gorkington is going to make of all this*

[Quilford]

This is some good catching up by Johnny

[Quilford]

How's the reading going Nosferatu?

[Quilford]

It's time to move on and give a read on someone that's not Gorkington.

^^^^^^^^^^

[Quilford]

I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

[Quilford]

I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

so once again, are there any back and forth's I should read or should I start at where bulge almost reached L-1. I already said I read up to 83 and then read gork in ISO. You shouldn't be asking this question when I've already given the answer.

Uh no,

you

shouldn't need directions to read the freaking game. Do you usually need people to tell you what you should read when you replace in?

[Quilford]

I am still okay with a hiplop vote although my confidence has dropped a fair bit since his gigantic posting spurt when he was under pressure. He's still jumping from player to player with the weakest of reasons. His vote on me was for a turn-around on my read on him. He voted Davsto for asking too many questions. Then he voted Antihero on a meta argument. Now he's onto T-Bone's slot for site-wide activity reasons. These are reasons that don't indicate any sort of engagement with people's posts with any level of detail at all.

The pushes are just generally shit, and backed up with what seems like a deeply undue level of confidence. This sits weirdly enough as it is but gets worse when he jumps onto another player at the drop of a hat.


Aaaargh.

[Quilford]

Anti you take issue with Snarky disappearing for long periods and then reappearing very nonchalantly, usually as he's starting to come under pressure yeah?

[Quilford]

I'm equal-opportunity pissy and obtuse to anyone who only manages to read up to post #83 + read an ISO of one player in 2 days. That's absolutely ridiculous.

If you want to do something convenient for me so that I can sort you better, you can read through the entire game and then tell us what your reads are. That's what I do when I replace in.

[Quilford]

problems with reading Snarky:

- compared with the vast majority of his completed games, his play is much worse here, regardless of whether he's town or scum
- he is alive in like 6 other games at the moment last time I checked
- he ain't done shit in this one wrt scumhunting/explaining reads
- he is alive in 6 other games
- did I mention it seems unlikely that he is spending much time on this game?

[Quilford]

On a related note, Quilford, why have you been ignoring Snarky's vote on you and why did you have him as weak town in #557?

If someone doesn't give any reasons why they're voting me, I just assume they've mixed up which end of their readslist is labelled town and which is labelled scum.

Don't quote me on this, but I think it was because he was the first to point out that Davsto hadn't been scumhunting in the early game? When I made that readslist though, I was pretty desperate to narrow my list of null reads down a bit, so I was giving town points to anyone who said something I vaguely agreed with.

[Quilford]

P14:
so like #329 is supposed to be from town to scum I assume, so why vote Kuroi over muffin; According to your wiki possible scum is between weak scumhunters and strong scum players, so which one is muffin this game?
Your other thing in you wiki is that you should only town read for precise, intelligent scumhunting or good claims and I don't see either from Bins at that point in the game so ???

*headdesk*

You do realise that the list is in alphabetical order? I explain on a later page that I copied the player list from the OP and accidentally hit post.

Please finish reading the game.

[Quilford]

coz im the best

[Quilford]

duh

[Quilford]

personally, i'm getting progressively antsier as we get closer to deadline. PV and Nos need to finish their reading posthaste.

[Quilford]

that's not reck's slot fyi

[Quilford]

woah I'd never seen that lovely compliment from RC!

[Quilford]

I'll just be over here having a little ego trip guys

[Quilford]

i think i want to lynch PV because the slot could be scum then, if im wrong, when marquis flees, think about it when we get to that point

minus the associated paranoia about me being scum (which lol coz if I were scum I would have long ago been lynched) this post is basically how I feel about PV and Marquis

[Quilford]

realistically, i don't have enough to go on with tbone/pv to definitively call them anything with any shred of confidence, i just do not like what either half of pbone has done in this game and i dont like this more than i dont like other players i could vote right now

what about Reck/nos tho?

[Quilford]

I'm pretty okay with Cogie atm. Not that I have a track record of reading him successfully or unsuccessfully.

[Quilford]

VOTE: hiplop

[Quilford]

I need to reread.

[Quilford]

But my gut says hiplop over PV.

Which is why I need to reread, because I don't like listening to my gut.

[Quilford]

the only coherent thing im getting out of metadiving hiplop is that i suspect that him being over the top ridiculous when being run up is more likely to scum from scumhip than townhip.

mmm j'agree

[Quilford]

Time for Bins, Nosferatu, Snarky and PV to pick one of the top three wagons. Tick tock.

I'm willing to compromise on either of the other two wagons at this point. Peregrine a little more so than Snarky. But my preference remains with a hiplop lynch right now.

[Quilford]

Well can you put your vote on PV? I also aren't feeling very confident about my picks at the moment, but you should have your vote somewhere useful so close to deadline. If your preferred wagon suddenly materialises you can move it then.

[Quilford]

thx

[Quilford]

Awkwardly though it doubles as a p decent case

[Quilford]

#sorrynotsorry

[Quilford]

If it's any comfort you can metadive me and learn that I am an appalling scum player with a deficit of charisma even more pronounced than the one I have as town.

[Quilford]

@Bins, Johnny, etc

Subject: Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

Mara, why, in your own words? (p-edit: lol)

If Quilford were scum, then 1) he would barely be posting, and 2) what he would post would be a lot less carefree and relaxed. My team has seen him as scum. He's town unless he took a level in Machiavelli over the summer. (But frankly, he just reads as pretty genuine anyway.)

My experience with Quilford is that he hates scum and tends to lurk when he draws it. I can see him still being active D1 in brief spurts, but 1) probably not staying up until 3 AM, and 2) also probably scumreading people for really bad reasons.

Quilford was scum in that game. That's my point: he's readable, not very good as scum, and is known for being flaky when he draws it.

^ Mina is probably the best person at reading me on site. Here's her characterisation of my scum play.

[Quilford]

Now let me all blow your minds with some untouchable logic.

Mina is the best player on site at reading me.
Therefore, if Mina doesn't want to lynch me, I am almost certainly not scum (unless I'm scum with her).
For obvious reasons, Mina is not scum with me.
Also, Mina has not expressed any desire to lynch me.
Therefore I'm obviously not scum.

QED bitches

[Quilford]

I look forward to receiving no accusations

[Quilford]

@Quil Self Meta upsets me because these are things you know and would be avoiding if you're posting them at me as scum

No, that's bullshit. How can I avoid hating scum as scum?

[Quilford]

im gonna wait to hear mina confirm all of this before i believe it.

>:(

[Quilford]

I'm accusing Quilford tonight if the game doesn't end with PV.

Don't be silly Kats we both know you'll have fleed.

[Quilford]

I can't believe I stopped for like 1m to figure out what the past tense of 'flee' was and still went with 'fleed' at the end of it

[Quilford]

I'm accusing Quilford tonight if the game doesn't end with PV.

Don't be silly Kats we both know you'll have fleed.

Nah I know deep down that no one would have it in them to accuse such a cute creation~

See that's what I thought about me. But you've given me a rude wake up call.

Btw cupcakes >>> muffins. I know it's shameless buddying and I don't care. It's true and I needed to let it out

[Quilford]

Cmon losers. hiplop is at L-4, PV at L-3. 14 hours. Pick one.

[Quilford]

Have you factored in that neither you nor mollie are Gork or hip? That strikes me as important.

[Quilford]

Also I had pretty much the exact same experience that you describe with ETL in Team Mafia: Twin Trap except she was scum and I was town.

It really depends on the playstyles of the people having the argument.

[Quilford]

Anti it's compromise time. Please.

[Quilford]

fuck yeah

[Quilford]

Hey I didn't get to submit a guess ):

But well done Johnny I think with a non-shit partner you would have had a good shot at it

[Quilford]

Anyway yay I feel very happy about this. 2nd Fortnight win wooooo

[Quilford]

T-Bone was picked for good reason, though—it does look really bad to do a big spiel about how confident you feel and how stressful playing as scum was and then flake out basically without another word.

[Quilford]

zoraster I keenly await Animal Rescue: petsPick 2: Five Years On btw

[Quilford]

Oh also thanks for being great Cheet / Gork! You were very town and fun to play with. You did nothing wrong at all and I don't see why this game should register as anything other than a triumph of good play and accuracy for you. Anti too you were super town. And CES, thanks for being readable for once. Davsto, you need to chillax a bit more in future

[Quilford]

antihero cmon man

[Quilford]

So right