The Third Fortnight (Game Over [Bonus Round])

[Davsto]

VOTE: dorkington

[Davsto]

VOTE: Davsto
You're making a mochrie of this game.

0/10 That pun was made in like my third game onsite

Vote: Davsto

Death to the British.

racist >:c

[Davsto]

Look I'm trying to think of another insulting pun for your name give me a minute

[Davsto]

VOTE: gorKingOfButts

[Davsto]

look its like 5 pm give me a break

[Davsto]

There's a weird part of me that wants to see now.

[Davsto]

Like, tempted to just go through all my games and compare the puns per scumgame to puns per towngame

[Davsto]

hey guys where u at

England

[Davsto]

VOTE: bulge

wagon hoe

[Davsto]

pls dont leave me at L-1 scum has a flee

My vote made it L-2 because Marquis had unvoted

It's L-3 now thanks to Gork "buzzkill" ington

[Davsto]

But yeah, Bulge is right

One of the scum has a flee. Leaving someone at L-1 will not end well. L-2 is fine, fear L-1 until we come to a final conclusion.

[Davsto]

But yeah, Bulge is right

One of the scum has a flee. Leaving someone at L-1 will not end well. L-2 is fine, fear L-1 until we come to a final conclusion.

VOTE: davsto

why do you have a habit of reexplaining the obvious

ftfy

[Davsto]

And it's because my general assumption is that everyone can be stupid and not everyone always reads the rules

So pointing out something that may seem obvious can work

And is literally fucking harmless

[Davsto]

Davsto, do you often get mislynched?

Rarely

[Davsto]

5/23 completed games if you want the exact statistic

[Davsto]

ur so edgy, dav

thanks <3

[Davsto]

But yeah, Bulge is right

One of the scum has a flee. Leaving someone at L-1 will not end well. L-2 is fine, fear L-1 until we come to a final conclusion.

what is your read on bulge.

Kinda questioning

Got wagoned, little to no reaction even when (they thought) they had reached L-1

etc etc

[Davsto]

At my initial, quick glance it looked like 3 in my wiki which is why I said rarely originally

[Davsto]

Also being mislynched 5 times in my first ten months on site is hardly what you'd call regularly or often mislynched

[Davsto]

Also the question was pretty obviously to establish whether or not I was mislynch bait so in that context I think my answer was reasonable

[Davsto]

idk i'll just shut the fuck up now since apparently everything i say is something contentious and offensive and demeaning

Nah, it just seemed like a bizarre, unnecessary and irrelevant comment to make.

[Davsto]

alright. im gonna give reads when i get home and then im probably replacing. im done with mafia.

No gork/Cheet ily you're the best please stay

[Davsto]

~22% doesn't seem high to me

Like sure I can see how you wouldn't see it as low

But it's definitely not high, considering the context (I believe given the surrounding comments) was to do with whether or not I was frequently mislynched, lynchbait, etc.

Also, I never said it was an insult, so I'd love if you didn't project.

[Davsto]

i think you're pretty lynchbait-y, dav

And I disagree. Lynchbait implies consistently being mislynched or scummy in your play. With a lynch rate of around 22%, that is clearly not true.

[Davsto]

Seems quite bizarre for you to start a discussion with a predictable conclusion and sequence of events and then decide that you don't want to take part.

[Davsto]

Did anyone on the Bulge wagon act like it wasn't crap

Because I know I joined it because it was pretty explicitly a silly wagon for giggles and reactions

[Davsto]

Did anyone on the Bulge wagon act like it wasn't crap

Because I know I joined it because it was pretty explicitly a silly wagon for giggles and reactions

And I'm fine with giggles and all, but I don't think anyone cared enough to see how close Bulge was to being lynched. Like holy shit.

I did. Bulge only ever got to L-2. Don't worry, I'm not stupid.

[Davsto]

I did that thing where I didn't post for a while and forgot about everything

Gonna read from the top tonight.

[Davsto]

But yeah, Bulge is right

One of the scum has a flee. Leaving someone at L-1 will not end well. L-2 is fine, fear L-1 until we come to a final conclusion.

what is your read on bulge.

Kinda questioning

Got wagoned, little to no reaction even when (they thought) they had reached L-1

etc etc

what does this even mean and how does this lead to you voting bulge?

It means that I am questioning Bulge's alignment.

It didn't lead directly to me voting Bulge - it was part of voting Bulge, for the reaction and all. Oh, the aforementioned shiggles too.

a side note: i don't think the threat of l-1 is that big a deal... yeah scum have a flee but when they have almost no idea where the majority of town is going to vote, that seems somewhat suicidal

Two scum, L-1 on town, one scum can quickhammer and then flee the fuck out of there. It leaves it open for a scum to quickhammer and then be unable to be guessed. It's no riskier to scum than any town player being lynched.

Did anyone on the Bulge wagon act like it wasn't crap

Because I know I joined it because it was pretty explicitly a silly wagon for giggles and reactions

And I'm fine with giggles and all, but I don't think anyone cared enough to see how close Bulge was to being lynched. Like holy shit.

I did. Bulge only ever got to L-2. Don't worry, I'm not stupid.

Stupid isn't the word I'd use. Reckless is.

Plus, two votes in a game this size isn't a lot. It's easy to snipe that hammer on.

And you honestly think in this game, where it takes just one accusation for a scum player to lose, they'd collaborate with their partner to snipe an L-2? Also, not reckless. Jeez, I always count how many votes are on a player before voting if it's a high amount.

...obviously, if we need to learn about everyone else here so we know who is scum, we need time. Bulge was almost lynched within the first real-life day. How the hell do none of you see an issue with this?

He was NOT "nearly lynched"

"Nearly lynched" implies that someone could easily have been lynched if things had gone differently - Bulge was in very little risk of being lynched by anyone but a pure idiot since I made damn sure he only got to L-2 and he was unvoted to L-3 extremely soon after that.

both the Davsto and the Bulgewagon were fundamentally pro-town things.

Having trouble parsing this - what about myself is pro-town, any wagon on me or my vote on Bulge?

Antihero
Bins
Cogito Ergo Sum
Davsto
Gorkington
hiplop
JohnnyFarrar
Katsuki
KuroiXHF
Marquis
Quilford
SnarkySnowman
T-Bone
The Bulge
xRECKONERx
zMuffinMan

Okay this is probably a stupid question but which end is which, presuming this is a readslist? If only because

VOTE: KuroiXHF

ugh blugh i need people to post more

Is like halfway through the list so what hel- oh that's just alphabetical order LETS MOVE ON

dav im gonna need you to play my game of top 3 people you wouldnt shoot.

In no particular order, Gork, Kuroi, Marquis

Davsto - Who?

;-;

kuroi. if im understanding you correctly. you think scum built the wagon on bulge for the purpose of hopefully having someone quick hammer and end the day? and not because they want to appear like theyre trying to build wagons like a goody good town person?

Obviously, it's not all scum. Scum's numbers are incredibly overwhelmed by town's numbers and can only hide behind anonymity. Obviously, scum couldn't have amassed that huge wagon without help from town. Even if many of these people are town, they're engaging in scummy behavior. Some of these town don't know better.

But it

wasn't

scummy. Large wagons like that, presuming they won't get lynched, is incredibly pro-town, because some people are super good at getting reads from reactions from stuff like that! That's why it happened.

Yes. I could shit myself and suck some titties, but that would be irrelevant to the game, much like your reply.

idk man 'shit' and 'sucky' are adjectives that seem pretty relevant to your play atm

We don't need useless personal arguments in a game with only 14 days in it thank you very much, cut this shit out.

[Davsto]

You are managing to be wrong, idiotic, and stubborn all at once.

What an achievement.

[Davsto]

Davsto, considering I've seen wagons like this go from nothing to a full lynch within a couple hours,

When? Give me links.

it's anti-town. Like I said, anti-town is pro-scum because only scum benefit from it. Bulge divulged nothing. This doesn't mean that Bulge isn't scum, but it doesn't mean he's town either.

Nada. Bulge didn't react to the wagon. Like, at all. I'm getting a slight scumlean on that because I'm leaning towards that being her avoiding saying anything to avoid bringing negative attention to herself.

Like I said, it was a reckless bandwagon,

Again, not reckless. Reckless would be "HUR DUR IM GONNA VOTE BULGE WITHOUT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NUMBER OF VOTES". I think every player in this game is competent enough to actually pay attention to the votes enough to not vote when it would be bad.

and I'm only considering reckless those who engaged in the bandwagon because they thought it would do something useful - namely, you.

So... the reckless ones were the one that voted for a reason? Rather than the ones that voted for a laugh? This seems backwards.

And yes, nearly lynched. They needed only two people. In a game with a larger number, two isn't a lot.

I mean, two is the entire scumteam, so scum aren't gonna quickhammer two votes. Again, you're borderline insulting the skill of people in this game by assuming that they're stupid enough to just let that get lynched, when paying any sort of attention to what happened would pretty obviously display that is not true.

[Davsto]

Gork, remove Kuroi from my "wouldn't shoot" list, and add

myself

...Johnny? Idk, I'm struggling to find anyone town enough to justify putting on the list above anyone else.

[Davsto]

You are managing to be wrong, idiotic, and stubborn all at once.

What an achievement.

Vague, ad hominem and ad hominem. Congratulations.

I would accept this if it were made before my big post earlier. Alas, it is not. This was merely a preface.

-snip-

Yeah, not touching this post until you fix those quotes, holy shit dude

[Davsto]

Actually, fuckit, Kuroi's not going to change his mind due to

logic

even when basically every other player has explained it thoroughly to him, what an absurd thought.

So, Kuroi, rather than repeating that "wagon was bad", explain specific people from the wagon that you scumread were.

[Davsto]

It's hard to focus when I'm not 100% in the game, basically that big post was largely catching up because it was all "things that happened before the post" rather than "things happening as a post, a discussion I'm part of", gimme a little and I'll be a bit more into it

Ta

[Davsto]

...what does one have to do with the other?

[Davsto]

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Antihero, T-Bone
Null/Unsorted: CES, JohnnyFerrar, Katsuki, Marquis, SnarkySnowman, Bulge, Muffinman (I'm guessing he was joking about being an innocent child), Reckoner
Lean Scum: Bins, Gorkington, Quilford
Strong Scum:

I'm gonna assume that we're null and you just forgot us

But I feel really sad about not being here

And I'm sure hiplop does too

[Davsto]

OH GOD YOU JUST HAMMERED HIM WITH THE BROKEN QUOTE

lol

[Davsto]

it seems somewhat fabricated but i can't put my finger on exactly why i think this

Is it because it's in alphabetical order?

[Davsto]

(Don't worry, it took me a minute to realise, and at that point I'd already written about it in my catch up wallpost)

[Davsto]

Oh good seven pages this is more like it activity wise! Not great when it's mostly when I'm sleeping or at school though.

You guys are doofuses

ikr

In all seriousness though, what was the point of posting a list of all players alphabetically? I assume it was a readslist that failed because you forgot to submit, but then why did you not post an actual readslist after?

Maybe in like a 90 page game that's been going on for over a month and there have been several unexpected flips it would look a bit more in place, but on page 3 of a game that's less than 36 hours new it is completely out of place.

This seems... the wrong way round? I expect people to be more unsure of their reads like "hmm which way is it" on page 3 of a game when they've probably only seen a number of posts below 10 of any player, whereas in a 90 page game I'd be a little sceptical of someone that unsure and doubting.

yeah maybe i'll try this again tomorrow.
p-edit: maybe.

;-;

You are literally the most town person in this game for miles so I would really appreciate it if you would share your thoughts on Davsto and why you took your vote off him

im not really sure i can explain why im not pushing davsto before he comes and catches up.

and if he takes too long to do so then i may consider voting him again.

Tbh I'm as caught up as I'm going to be, timezones and having to have normal sleeping patterns with exams in less than a month is really a bugger in this game (post 474-619 were all made while I was asleep, to give an idea).

Anti, I do get what you're thinking to some extent but I just heavily disagree with it and I would prefer people listen to my side of the story. I don't think you're an idiot, the red mist just came down when you loudly announced that, two sentences in, that my case on Reck was not worth reading and that you were going to pass judgement on it without reading more than ten words or whatever

I think that, like me, he just finds it weird that you find it odd that someone wouldn't have solid reads page 3 - I know I definitely had 0 solid reads by then and any attempt at trying to figure out people's alignments would probably be along the same line as Reck's.

its never too late.
am i crazy for thinking that hiplop should know better after cheetory mafia?

I get where you're coming from, but sometimes people

are

like that and continue even if they were wrong before, plus fucking up a read once doesn't mean it's always wrong forever, so it's not weird for hiplop to still think he could.

[insert wayyyyy tooo much setup discussion for an open setup like seriously what a waste of time is arguing how to scumhunt like wtf]

yeah okay let's do hiplop why not!

VOTE: hiplop

i don't know why i ever liked his #294, i must not have read it closely enough. i actually really dislike it now lol

Why do you actually really dislike it now? Could you stretch your brain a little and try and remember why you liked it before?

Another bandwagon. I'll do a thorough reread, but I'm curious if this is another attempt to just throw out a bandwagon to get someone's reaction.

Should I put hiplop at L-2 to piss off Kuroi?

I kinda wanna put hiplop at L-2 to piss off Kuroi.

[Davsto]

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
VOTE: hiplop
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

(L-2)

[Davsto]

I get where you're coming from, but sometimes people are like that and continue even if they were wrong before, plus fucking up a read once doesn't mean it's always wrong forever, so it's not weird for hiplop to still think he could.

i wouldnt be wonkied out if it was midgame and he was like "gork is scum".
but for him to enter the game with any confidence in his ability to read my earlygame is just what.

now.
i would very much like you to explain why you thought it was worth defending someone so seriously that you then proceeded to vote?
why does it feel like nothing youre doing this game has literally any weight at all dav?????

I mean I didn't really defend hiplop, I just slightly disputed your point. I also fail to see how that escalates to "EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING HAS NO WEIGHT". The fuck does that even mean, any way?

like.
i can get being disengaged.

but i just feel like.. most of what youre doing is just padding.
there isnt any substantial effort to try and parse anyone's alignment.

is that fair or no?

I mean, there are various proddings and pokings to try and figure shit out so to imply I've made no effort isn't really fair.

And as far as you are concerned, I can't find what I had before. You can consider yourself null on my list.

How utterly convenient. You can honestly find no reason why you scumread him before? Literally none? Please tell us what the post you think you saw was.

dav is scum etc

weak town:
bins
hiplop

this guy is voting me without me making a new post in between lmao

VOTE: quil

1) Why am I scum?
2) Why call me scum and then immediately vote someone else?

[Davsto]

No it's because that only appeared as a ninja to my post

0/10 you need to improve you mislynching skills

[Davsto]

(Also antihero already asked "why only one" so there wasn't really much to say about it)

[Davsto]

I mean I didn't really defend hiplop, I just slightly disputed your point. I also fail to see how that escalates to "EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING HAS NO WEIGHT". The fuck does that even mean, any way?

grrrrrrrr
i hate it when people do this.

What, ask perfectly reasonable questions so you can explain what you're saying?

OKAY.

every single.
vote.
youve made.
has had nothing behind it that i can see.

yes?

every vote has been framed as a bandwagon vote.

While my votes on Bulge and hiplop started off as bandwagon votes, they both evolved into proper votes, particularly my hiplop vote because he's really bugging me as scum now for, well, obvious reasons.

yes, youre questioning things.

but we're X-days in now [i think like 5?] and you havent espoused a single read from anything youve questioned/pushed besides the no-shoot reads i forced out of you.

Wrong! I pretty explicitly stated a scumlean on Bulge at some point! Plus I clearly scumread hiplop, and I think I've hinted at scumreading Kuroi even if I didn't explicitly say it (I definitely said "take Kuroi of my no-shoot list", and I've probably said stuff since then).

youve essentially voted because "lol bandwagons are cool i guess" and "lol u suck kuroi".

I mean I haven't gone "bandwagons are cool I guess" I've pretty explicitly stated why I believe bandwagons are good and the reads I've got from the first of them, and that I now scumread hiplop (although rather independently of the bandwagon).

no weight.

tell me why im wrong for thinking this.

See above.

[Davsto]

hey gorky have you played with davsto before?

He's modded two of my scumgames (Mafia Café, my second and probably worst scumgame, and Paint Mafia, my best scumgame), and played in one of my towngames (Mini Normal 1721, one of my worst towngames).

[Davsto]

@dav, talk about scumhipread more please [even though i think this is practically softball-level at this point q.q]

Pushed CES
"Davsto is scum"
Immediately votes Quil

And

then

states that only one of us is scum for ? reasons so he can't be voting Quil because he thinks that Quil is my scumpartner so there goes the only reasonable explanation

And then when people ask him a bunch of simple questions about it all he ignores them for a shit and nonsensical post at me before just disappearing.

[Davsto]

Yeah but you're articulating it in a way that appears to be largely exaggerating the flaws.

Yeah, ClownTardis too, forgot about that. A middling scumgame of mine.

[Davsto]

It's super scummy on the surface, and frankly there is no way for me to dig deeper into it until hiplop explains himself.

I'm not going to waste time stretching my brain through all the (likely crackpot) theories to try and figure why he would do that as town when I can just get him to do it and narrow down the possibilities.

Until then, the vote stays.

[Davsto]

While my votes on Bulge and hiplop started off as bandwagon votes, they both evolved into proper votes

talk about bulge scumread more please?
is it just the lack of reaction thing you were talking about before?

Pretty much.

There isn't really much else to read into in a player that has 15 posts, around half of which (being generous) lack any sort of substance at all.

[Davsto]

I wanna join this hip wagon but I don't know a hip town game looks like so I dunno if he be scummier than norm

Your vote would put him at L-1 I think, so I'd recommend not

[Davsto]

Scum can hammer, and the hammering scum can "flee", meaning they can't be chosen in the post-day stage.

I still think hippy is scum, but when we're not even halfway to deadline yet, I'd rather wait before making a decision and talk all this stuff out.

[Davsto]

Put pressure on hiplop in other ways which don't risk a premature day end?

[Davsto]

If we hit scum in this, we get all 12 of us town win, and both scum lose. It also doesn't require you personally to get the scum right, just the town majority.

If we go into the second round, the town player that is lynched has lost, the chance of hitting scum goes from 2/16 to 1/14 and the likely easier to have found of the two scum players has gone, you have to have your top scumread personally right or you lose, and even if you get it right, if you have the most number of people thinking you're scum, you'll lose anyway.

It's much better for us to lynch scum in the day than it is to go into the second stage.

[Davsto]

The weird thing is davs "misread of 294" which is not a post you can easily misread

Huh

[Davsto]

Are you even reading this game

You're not fucking serious, right?

[Davsto]

Please tell me you're joking. Oh god please.

[Davsto]

Like within the last... 3 pages

You have:

Made various unexplained and questionable statements about your reads, some of which appear to clash with each other
Ignored at least 4 simple questions aimed at you about them
Disappeared and then come back with a LITERALLY OBJECTIVELY WRONG STATEMENT that anyone with half a brain reading the game would never have made

And yet you have the fucking nerve to act like

we're

the ones playing badly, and complain that we shouldn't be scumreading you?

[Davsto]

Quilfords jumps were just bizarre, he weak town read me "misread 294" and then voted me. Hint, 294 isn't a post easily misread

Have you caught up since your last post? Genuine question.

[Davsto]

YO HIPLOP HERE'S SOME STUFF TO COMMENT ON SINCE YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF IT

HOW ABOUT THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED YOU BEFORE YOU PISSED OFF

DOING THIS IN CAPS SO YOU CAN'T IGNORE

scum in Quil, Dav, CES? Probably only one.

why only one?

dav is scum etc

weak town:
bins
hiplop

this guy is voting me without me making a new post in between lmao

VOTE: quil

1) Why am I scum?
2) Why call me scum and then immediately vote someone else?

I'm getting wagonned? Lol?

This happened last time too. I voted scum and everyone piled on me

huh?

last fortnite

you voted ces back a while ago way before the wagon built so how is your vote correlated to the wagon?

[Davsto]

(Also this question too)

Quilfords jumps were just bizarre, he weak town read me "misread 294" and then voted me. Hint, 294 isn't a post easily misread

Have you caught up since your last post? Genuine question.

[Davsto]

YO HIPLOP HERE'S SOME STUFF TO COMMENT ON SINCE YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF IT

HOW ABOUT THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED YOU BEFORE YOU PISSED OFF

DOING THIS IN CAPS SO YOU CAN'T IGNORE

scum in Quil, Dav, CES? Probably only one.

why only one?

dav is scum etc

weak town:
bins
hiplop

this guy is voting me without me making a new post in between lmao

VOTE: quil

1) Why am I scum?
2) Why call me scum and then immediately vote someone else?

I'm getting wagonned? Lol?

This happened last time too. I voted scum and everyone piled on me

huh?

last fortnite

you voted ces back a while ago way before the wagon built so how is your vote correlated to the wagon?

(Also this question too)

Quilfords jumps were just bizarre, he weak town read me "misread 294" and then voted me. Hint, 294 isn't a post easily misread

Have you caught up since your last post? Genuine question.

[Davsto]

These questions are going to be quoted and quoted again until you answer them, hip, so you might want to get started.

[Davsto]

Wait sorry you answered like one of them let me fix before you act like you answered them

[Davsto]

YO HIPLOP HERE'S SOME STUFF TO COMMENT ON SINCE YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF IT

HOW ABOUT THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED YOU BEFORE YOU PISSED OFF

DOING THIS IN CAPS SO YOU CAN'T IGNORE

scum in Quil, Dav, CES? Probably only one.

why only one?

dav is scum etc

weak town:
bins
hiplop

this guy is voting me without me making a new post in between lmao

VOTE: quil

1) Why am I scum?
2) Why call me scum and then immediately vote someone else?

I'm getting wagonned? Lol?

This happened last time too. I voted scum and everyone piled on me

huh?

last fortnite

you voted ces back a while ago way before the wagon built so how is your vote correlated to the wagon?

(Also this question too)

Quilfords jumps were just bizarre, he weak town read me "misread 294" and then voted me. Hint, 294 isn't a post easily misread

Have you caught up since your last post? Genuine question.

[Davsto]

Good

If you'd caught up, how did you not read close enough to read Quil's explanation - Quil didn't misread your post, but the context of your quotes; the posts it was around. While you're painting it all as bad because you say that it's impossible to misread your post when Quil already explained that isn't what they did!

[Davsto]

Three down, two to go, hiplop! Congrats

YO HIPLOP HERE'S SOME STUFF TO COMMENT ON SINCE YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF IT

HOW ABOUT THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED YOU BEFORE YOU PISSED OFF

DOING THIS IN CAPS SO YOU CAN'T IGNORE

scum in Quil, Dav, CES? Probably only one.

why only one?

dav is scum etc

weak town:
bins
hiplop

this guy is voting me without me making a new post in between lmao

VOTE: quil

1) Why am I scum?

2) Why call me scum and then immediately vote someone else?

I'm getting wagonned? Lol?

This happened last time too. I voted scum and everyone piled on me

huh?

last fortnite

you voted ces back a while ago way before the wagon built so how is your vote correlated to the wagon?

(Also this question too)

Quilfords jumps were just bizarre, he weak town read me "misread 294" and then voted me. Hint, 294 isn't a post easily misread

Have you caught up since your last post? Genuine question.

[Davsto]

If you find that Anti's post is nonsensical... what is wrong with you?

What he's saying is:

> You said about voting scum (CES) and a wagon forming on your because of it as happened in the previous game
> The wagon on you actually built considerably after that vote
> So how the balls are they connected events in any way?

[Davsto]

more like untrod trihard

(jk, ilu)

[Davsto]

ALSO NONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS WERE REMOTELY IMPORTANT

ITS ASKING QUESTIONS FOR THE SAKE OF FUCKING LOOKING LIKE YOURE DOING SOMETHING

Oh yes


Asking a question about why you scumread someone

A question you STILL HAVEN'T FUCKING ANSWERED BY THE WAY

Entirely irrelevant

Hooooly crap

[Davsto]

Okay, here are the questions:

> Why you only think one out of three people is scum
> Why you think someone is scum
> Why you said "X is scum" and voted someone else in the next post
> A question about bizarre sentence structure that implied something that it turned out you didn't mean
> Whether or not you had caught up, leading to a point that your scumread of someone was ass-backwards because it laid on Quil "misreading" 294 when Quil pretty clearly said he didn't just "misread" it, he missed the context around it

Now

Tell me

HOW THE FUCK ARE NONE OF THEM RELEVANT

[Davsto]

DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY HELP ME SCUMHUNT

THEY LET ME FIGURE OUT HOW THE FUCK YOU ARE THINKING THE RIDICULOUS THINGS YOU ARE SO I CAN FUCKING DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE SCUM

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE FUCKING IMPORTANT IN HELPING ME SOLVE THE DAMN GAME

[Davsto]

Apparently you're only allowed twelve smilies per post so I'll have to make do with this many

[Davsto]

Like hiplop, I want to think you're town

But I honestly cannot believe that a town!hiplop would honestly believe some of the rubbish you are spewing

You

still

haven't answered why you thought I was scum (and I mean before this whole fiasco so don't pull some of that bullshit on me), you have completely ignored and failed to address the fact that your Quilford scumread was based in something pretty damn wrong, you required several kicks up the arse to answer some basic questions, and after all that and the fact that after this I have decided that yes, you are scum, because of all these problems, you have the fucking balls to say that they did NOTHING to help me solve the game in any way

I cannot honestly believe that town hiplop would do all of that shit and not even slightly see why it was wrong.

[Davsto]

They are not useless holy crap

How the FUCK are questions asking about your THOUGHT PROCESSES with YOUR SCUMREADS, asking HOW you are thinking things and WHY, USELESS?

Like, understand how another player is thinking stuff and why is literally the opposite of useless, it's some of the most USEFUL information in the game

Because if I can find out your supposed thought processes, I can decide whether I think they are genuine and town or fake and scum

Like how the fuck can you have been on this site since 2011 and not realised that questions like that are important

You are spouting rubbish that I simply cannot believe

Also

YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED WHY YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM

[Davsto]

i explained them already

...When?

it should be obvious?

Ahh yes, that is why I was asking

you are commonly scumread.

Am I? I currently have two people voting me (you and reck, who is ages behind), and the only people who have shown decent suspicion that I can think of are Bins (who has actually unvoted since she voted me) and Gorkington (who I believe is still trying to read me)

and I have minimal unique things to say.

Who cares? I'm not asking "state all of your entirely original and unique reasons for scumreading me", I asked "why are you scumreading me". This feels like a cop-out excuse.

Your jumping feels oppurtunistic,

Jumping? I've only voted two different people.

your questioning feels fake

How does it feel fake? You reckon town!me wouldn't want to know such simple things as why you're scumreading me and why you said that your top 3 scumreads couldn't be scum together?

You realize we only have to lynch one scum, right, and you're probably the single most likely person to be lynched? How is Davsto trying to make sense of your posts not trying to solve the game?

Thanks for at least letting me know I'm not insane for thinking that they are decent questions.

You realize we only have to lynch one scum, right, and you're probably the single most likely person to be lynched? How is Davsto trying to make sense of your posts not trying to solve the game?

yea and I'm not it

hes asking very surface level questions that do little

I'm sorry I didn't ask you about the fucking meaning of life, but these are damn well important questions. How the hell is asking your reasons for scumreading someone not important?

one of reck, the bulge, katsuki and snarkysnowman though i feel worst about reck, defs need meatier, scumhuntier posts out of him after #74 but he seems to be going through a rough patch irl so i don't know if we're gonna get them :/

"all the lurkers"

Man it's almost like lurking in a 14-day long game isn't horrendously anti-town!

quil still hanging onto a post i made on like page 3 of this game after 33 pages is very gross

Because there's fuckall else to go on considering you have a glorious 3 (4 if I'm feeling generous) posts with any sort of content.

has he answered any of the questions anyone's asked him in the past 30 pages?

Yeah Snarky's like this either way, just a warning. I'd avoid getting too distracted.

[Davsto]

You can't tell me what is alignment telling about you or not

[Davsto]

Hiplop, in this game, right now, the only thing I want to watch you do is be lynched.

Just saying.

[Davsto]

Hiplop, in this game, right now, the only thing I want to watch you do is be lynched.

Just saying.

Summarize for the class why

Cuz I'm not answering your stupid questions?

Oh davesto

Have you even been reading my posts

Like whaaaat

I don't know how you can

not

know

Click that little button that says "ISO" and have a look

[Davsto]

I've just been skimming the last few pages but the issue came up briefly of Snarky's activity

And well

It's pretty null as far as I know. I've modded two games with Snarky

In Werewolves of Miller's Hollow, he was one of two players which required prodding throughout the course of the game, 9th highest number of posts out of 13 players.
SCP Foundation Mafia, required two prods in the first day, was then treestumped and then his activity levels were so low that I ended up prodding him and replacing him despite originally planning not to do that to the treestump. As in, two softprods (PMs telling him without actually counting as prod), the second of which came with a warning that if he didn't post for 3 days he would be prodded and replaced.

Yes, he was town in both of those games.

[Davsto]

yargh school yargh revision fuck the system

I'll probably catch up on this soon. Probably.

[Davsto]

Can I ask why I've managed to stay at the top when I have basically lurked the last 200-ish posts, beyond one post about Snarky's activity?

[Davsto]

Can I ask why I've managed to stay at the top when I have basically lurked the last 200-ish posts, beyond one post about Snarky's activity?

Lurking is often a scum tell?

Yes.

That is literally the point I was making.

That I was at the top of his

town

list

10/10 well paid attention

Catching up now, it's hella late though so don't expect a big wallpost. I may do one anyway though. I can never tell until it's too late.

[Davsto]

Apparently I made a bit of a post wall

BRACE YOURSELVES

[Davsto]

I feel like scum is lurking. I'm getting him to be quiet.

I am reading the game. I've said this discussion is totally unnecessary.

Awesome, so because I stayed silent for like... 7 pages, hiplop should have contributed considerably and have strong, well-made reads and stuff and look town.

Right?

I'm not really getting my hopes up.

I'm pretty blatantly town, cheet.

This is a hilariously bold statement from a player that has almost half the playerlist scumreading him at this time. Seriously hip, there's confidence, and then there's arrogance.

I'm a good scumhunter when left alone. Not so good when backed into a corner. Always been true. I can nail scumteams if I'm given space, otherwise I'm incredibly spotty.

I am not doing anything survivalistic. I'm very much succumbing to my own destiny. I'm terrible at getting out of ruts. See: the last fortnight for example.

Okay he seems confident with this, so I am gonna be

pissed

if he doesn't actually show it, because all of this saying about "how good i am when not pressured" is something I'm just gonna ignore if I don't see it in action.

Can I pretend my lurking was strategic to see if he'd actually deliver on this? It wasn't, but it'd be cool to pretend.

why would I act like this and garner unnecessary attention

it makes no fucking sense as scum cheet

Like you said

Clutters up thread, makes it easier for scum to hide.

If you're able to behave like this and then slip out of being lynched later in the day - which I believe scum!you is likely capable of doing - you've created a huge cloud of mud for scumpartners to hide behind.

Town you wouldn't push this angle, sorry.

Right, so far the "scumhunting" he's done has added up to a crappy meta case on Antihero

Disappointed, but unsurprised.

Like can you sort that shit out pls if you're town

Terrible when backed into a wall

But that's the thing - I'd pulled out of the discussion several pages before this, and I was the only player pushing you aggressively enough to be "backing you against a wall" - gork and anti had their suspicions but they let you articulate your point fairly freely while disagreeing with it.

asking for top three people you wouldn't kill seems like such a scum thing to do. Town would ask for a kill list.

Isn't asking for townreads like, an incredibly common method to both scumhunt (because scum generally find it easier to form scumreads than townreads) and also to avoid backtracking and generally is just quite useful and seriously why is asking for townreads not town-motivated wtf

seem... gorkward to you?

You stealing my thing? Because puns are my thing.

Motherfucker I hadn't posted anything serious in arguably 10 pages, how am I one of your 3?

As I said, the two already there were the two I townread, everyone else that wasn't scum or entirely null was just sortof in a primordial goo of equally nulltown, so I just picked a name that felt right.

JohnnyFarrar's catch-up post feels somewhat fake in that there was nothing really objectionable in it, at least to me - reading him in detail next.

Can confirm - johnny is the man. Townread.

I- uh- fuckit should I even comment on this? This is self-explanatory. I wanna say it's stupid but this is a dude who claimed treestump with a vote when he was VT-whom-treestumps-on-death so idk how his brain works

Unless there's some reason why a not kill lists is objectively more useful than a not kill list, I will stand by the point I've made.

Davsto would have to be pretty ballsy to do what he did, more ballsy than I believe he really is.

I... don't even know what this means.

Dad blowing up looks fine. He did that and died in a game I replaced into recently.

i am your father

But seriously can you explain because I'm confused by this... Also which game?

[Davsto]

Clutters up thread, makes it easier for scum to hide.

this makes no fucking sense.

Isn't this

exactly what you have been arguing

literally like 10 pages of wasted space

further hurts town b/c apathy (a problem we are ALREADY STRUGGLING WITH IN THIS GAME) and lets scum hide.

Oh hey look YES IT IS 10/10

I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

so once again, are there any back and forth's I should read or should I start at where bulge almost reached L-1. I already said I read up to 83 and then read gork in ISO. You shouldn't be asking this question when I've already given the answer.

Bulge reached almost L-1 at around post 170.

Why the hell do you have to ask if you should read a mere 90 or so posts? Information in there could be vaguely useful if not vital, and you're going to waste so much more time waiting for an answer rather than just, you know, reading.

[Davsto]

...

I am sickened to the core.

[Davsto]

Talking more about number of posts to content ratio

Somehow you managed to make your rebuttal look even more hypocritical than the original statement. 10/10, bulge, 10/10

I want to lynch hiplop so half the game doesn't waste their shots on him if he doesn't flee.

[Davsto]

It's a roundabout way of me saying "Not only is it scummy, but you lurking and having little content to your posts, and then accusing someone else of lurking and when they call you out on it you replying by saying you're

talking about content relevant to posts

is hilarious and hypocritical too!"

[Davsto]

Bribe, having an even scummier/lurkier scumpartner...

I mean you can't just completely shrug off an entire justified wagon based on the logic that "if they're scum they'll flee so why bother"

Like that is shitty logic

[Davsto]

Well, now you've brought up that if he's scum he'll likely flee and made it a topic

WIFOM!

Congrats you win

[Davsto]

Bribe, having an even scummier/lurkier scumpartner...

also uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

which partner could he possibly have that's "scummier" than someone who's been a main wagon for the majority of the day

One of the various "lurkers". As people haven't made it fully clear which they're more likely to vote, it's a lot less predictable for them to bribe the right person.

[Davsto]

Bribe, having an even scummier/lurkier scumpartner...

I mean you can't just completely shrug off an entire justified wagon based on the logic that "if they're scum they'll flee so why bother"

Like that is shitty logic

what exactly do you think i was saying?

because what youre saying i was saying wasnt what i was saying

Then... what were you saying?

Because it looked like you were saying "look, if hippy is scum he'll flee, so there's no point in lynching him [since that is what I was advocating for] since that'll tell us what he is then".

Right?

[Davsto]

If you're just disagreeing that he wouldn't flee... that is a pretty damn useless question that is entirely irrelevant as far as I can see, and comes off a tad as trying to look useful while not really providing much.

[Davsto]

So why don't we just lynch him

?

Because he was scummy af and if you ask me that's a pretty good candidate to lynch

And then he lurked under the pretense of giving the game "more space" and bam the wagon on him slowly fades

Like fuck, why aren't we just lynching this faster

Also, those personal attacks are incredibly unnecessary. Holy crap dude, chill.

[Davsto]

I feel like if hiplop doesn't get lynched and doesn't flee he will absolutely get votes tomorrow so the idea that scumlop will try to pull some sort of wifomy mind game is extremely unlikely.

Davsto I think you are town but you're doing a lot of posting without thinking it through pls do more thinking

Make a half-decent, original contribution in your posting and scumhunting in this game.

Then I'll listen to your advice on how to play.

[Davsto]

I still don't get where your argument is coming from though Muffin

Because I say "lynch him because, as well as his scumminess, to an extent, if he doesn't flee many of us will waste our shots on him"

And you say "well if he's scum he probably will flee"

Completely missing the main points of (a) lynching him and (b) many town still probably wasting their shots on him if he doesn't

So I'm struggling to see the relevancy of your post

[Davsto]

Like, you targeted my post with a valid criticism, but probably the part of the post that was the least relevant to the point I was making

That's what was bugging me

Man I'm bad at getting across points at 11PM

[Davsto]

Oh come on Nos, anyone with half a brain reading that can tell he means the post-day stage even if he didn't use the "correct" term

Like what kind of a criticism is that

[Davsto]

Oh come on Nos, anyone with half a brain reading that can tell he means the post-day stage even if he didn't use the "correct" term

Like what kind of a criticism is that

not criticizing, questioning. Evidenced by the several question marks. And the confused face. As anyone with half a brain could see. And I do mean that literally, it's on both sides of the picture.

Same difference. It's an entirely unnecessary questioning when it takes you literally about 5 seconds to go "why did he say tomorrow oh he means the next stage okay"

[Davsto]

Because he was scummy

was he? where? because he didn't answer your questions or because you think he did something legitimately "scummy"?

And then he lurked under the pretense of giving the game "more space" and bam the wagon on him slowly fades

and? is his grand strategy as scum to build up a large amount of suspicion and then hope people think more favourably of him for being absent? what votes on him went away for that reason? how does that work when the same people calling him scum before are still calling him scum?

Also, those personal attacks are incredibly unnecessary. Holy crap dude, chill.

*shrug* don't post shit and i won't call it shit, i think that's a fair policy

i don't respond kindly to people telling me im saying shit that i blatantly didn't say

you brought up the argument that we should lynch him today so as not to deal with him tomorrow. i just pointed out how faulty that is as an argument. you then start making claims that im saying the reason we shouldn't lynch him is because he'll flee

Oh good and now you're misrepping/lying about what I've been saying. Good! Good good good. 10/10.

Hiplop/Muffin scumteam? That's where my money is at, with a slight chance of Nosferatu on the side.

[Davsto]

Oh come on Nos, anyone with half a brain reading that can tell he means the post-day stage even if he didn't use the "correct" term

Like what kind of a criticism is that

not criticizing, questioning. Evidenced by the several question marks. And the confused face. As anyone with half a brain could see. And I do mean that literally, it's on both sides of the picture.

Same difference. It's an entirely unnecessary questioning when it takes you literally about 5 seconds to go "why did he say tomorrow oh he means the next stage okay"

And I should assume I know what's running through his mind instead of questioning why?

Because that's not only the obvious conclusion but literally the only one?

Because otherwise you come across as asking questions to look involved while actually doing little to forward the gamestate?

Because surely you couldn't see that line of questioning going anywhere further than "oh I meant the next stage"? What, were you expecting him to say "OH I thought this was a game with days I never realised in all these pages man am I stupid thanks Nos you saved the day"?

[Davsto]

you made no other argument

I have argued several other points in the past about hiplop being scummy, just take a look at my ISO, it doesn't take as much effort as being a needlessly abrasive twat.

To act like I haven't said fuck all about him is so inaccurate it would be funny if it weren't sad.

[Davsto]

And also when I said misrepping I meant the sequence of events at the bottom of your post which is pretty obviously wrong but hey, why attack my actual point when you can attack a strawman that's different to my actual point!

[Davsto]

Also going to sleep now, someone call out Muffin on his scumminess, unnecessary hostility and general other bad points while I'm asleep

Someone call hiplop scum too

Thanks guys

Muffin, please shut up. Your argument at this point is 1% actual substance, 99% swearing and aggressiveness to make your point look stronger than the flaccid male genitalia that it is. Come back to me when you can make a decent point without generally being an ass.

[Davsto]

Man it's almost like that's what I've been doing in the last couple of posts

You get a 9/10 for effort, but a 2/10 for overall impact and effectiveness

In the morning, dude, too tired now.

[Davsto]

by town DAV

What the

fuck

is this supposed to mean

[Davsto]

Like I was back and optimistic and ready to catchup and then bam he just goes and acts like I'm shit as town!

[Davsto]

I wouldn't make myself incredibly likely to get accused by town DAV

Like

That is saying "lol dav is shit is town there is no way that him of all people would find me as scum"

[Davsto]

can whatever is about to happen between dav and hiplop just.. not happen?

No, fuck off, if he's going to be an insulting prick he deserves what he gets

[Davsto]

youve been being real unpleasant this game.

I've

been unpleasant?

I've been called a cunt and an idiot several times, had people basically call me shit as mafia constantly etc etc

And IM THE ONE BEING FUCKING UNPLEASANT

[Davsto]

please read that post like a human being plz

Oh good and now you're not even treating me as a human

Thanks dude I appreciate it!

[Davsto]

it's usually not the world that is mad, it's you.

And now you're calling me mad

Great

Thanks

Are you

trying

to rile me up and upset me?

I'm not gonna post for the rest of the game, there's short enough until deadline that I don't have to force myself to stay in this toxic, insulting environment.

Lynch whoever, and I'm accusing hiplop if you don't lynch him.

Davsto out. Potentially permanently.

Thanks everyone for making me want to never play mafia again.

[Davsto]

It wouldn't be post-2014 mafia without a bunch of hurt feelings!

Davsto, it's a game. You're very offbase and have made a bunch of really uncalled for remarks. It's cool. We all do it.

It's a game. Don't forget that. We're having fun, or supposed to be. Your case is very poor, but you'll get better at that. Please don't get actually upset. I think you're a fine fellow who apparently takes things differently than we expect. I recommend you go for a cool down walk and come back, look at what you said. It's fine. I don't mind

Pedit: what about tbone is scummy? I think he actually just left the site

Look dude

I come in here, and I put some effort in. Reads, comments, whatever.

Then, they all get shit upon in the least polite way possible.

I get called a "cunt", I get called an "idiot" and a "moron".

Then I get slightly annoyed at that

And suddenly I'm the fucking bad guy and deserve to be treated as condescendingly and asshole-y as possible

Anyway, thought I'd drop in a final readslist, not that any of you care since my reads are shit anyway. Town -> scum, top to bottom

hiplop
zMuffinMan
Nosferatu
PeregrineV
The Bulge
SnarkySnowman
Katsuki
Bins
Marquis
KuroiXHF
Cogito Ergo Sum
Quilford
JohnnyFarrar
Antihero
Gorkington

Anyway, be thankful you'll never have to put up with me being "pretentious" or ever have to deal with my shit reads again.

Bye.

[Davsto]

I mean scum -> town top to bottom whatever

[Davsto]

Was the mass prod a prod you actually had to respond to?

Just in case, prodge bro

[Davsto]

wow guys you were right my reads are shit gg

[Davsto]

Davsto, you need to chillax a bit more in future