Micro 597: TTH's Normal Micro (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not skipping.

Titus is out of my lynchpool.

Scum will kill her or if roleblocker/asceticizer kill me.

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I'm saying that if the remaining scum is a roleblocker or asceticizer they will kill me and pin the blame on Titus.

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I ask you again.

Why do you think Dom cleared me?

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He did.

Why do you think Dom cleared me and why do you think that makes me implicitly trust Titus?

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Hint: These things are related.

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Not really much just 99.8% sure RC is town.

Why do you think he said that?

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I am a nurse, aka backup doc.

Titus is town. stop being a twit.

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RC is drunk and wants to call it quits for the evening.

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I mean like I get it but

I'm just trying to win games man

idk why this happens

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fuck it I"m gonna stay and reread now.

hold up.

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I didn't even insult anyone jfc.

i just claimed.

wtf.

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look I get it. we both wanna quit.

shouldn't be difficult to figure out that I know exactly how you feel rn.

but even if I'm wrong I can't for the life of me see titus being scucm.

[RadiantCowbells]

ZZZX should claim.

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Look bar the fucking claim there's always some element of discomfort from Scum!Titus when she's talking to me.
she does weird shit like drag the convos out of context, trying to entirely de-emotionalize it, or just refuses to engage with me.
she's been like entirely comfortbale with me and trying to sort me all game and I can't see her as scum right now.

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I mean someday she's gonna hoodwink me but I don't feel like it's today.

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I don't, for the record, think that you two can't be town together.

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Doc/BP even makes a kind of sense because it prevents the doc saves from actually being cleared.
I just ugh.
I will not vote Titus.

FTR, I thought you were PR as well.
So don't take myself as cleared either: if you're BP you would have been my target last night.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have made no secret of the fact that I think the both of you are town.

I think ZZZX is scum atm.

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ZZZX was with the ugy who died N1.

I theorized even N1 that he died because the neighbour wanted to kill the neighbour.

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I would have.

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like fuck.
'I would have.' is something SCum!RC would say
but the fact of the matter is that I would have.

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FA your play makes sense as BP. I could see you as scum on off chance.
Titus your play makes sense as doc + claim and shit.

I think it's just zzzx.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah at this point I figure that it's a neighbour thing + inexperienced player who doesn't realize the value of NKing me (sorry for shoving ego in there)

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and bluntly
I've wanted to be on the same team as you for a while Titus
same goes to you FA

I have enough reasons to think both of you are town

VOTE: zzzx

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literally my only concern rn is that Titus is'nt acknowledging that I could be scum who targeted FA and just manipulated today's situation.

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but like I feel like she's in the same situation as me where she wants to trust me and shit so it's difficult for me to hold that against her.
idk.
mafia is hard when the social aspects become more important to you than the gameplay aspects in a way.

[RadiantCowbells]

Umm that's kinda what I was getting at. RC but ok

I just think it's paranoid

Sober Titus might pursue a scum nurse but...

oh I thought you were saying it along the lines of 'ZZZX must be neighbour who killed neighbour'!

but yeah.

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RC, that's why I try to keep it emotion free.

Just the facts. Can't be manipulated. Hard when you like ppl though and you see them

look, the emotional side of you that comes out when you're drunk has i virtually guarantee you a much higher chance of reading me correctly than your usual logic vca thing.
if drunk titus thinks that I'm town you should follow drunk titus's read.

Is a Nurse a normal role to give to scum, yes or no?

fuck no. but for the record, no one but me has a guarantee that I'm nurse. you don't know why Dom claimed me as 99.8% inno.

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guh. or you could be like me and put yourself in the shoes of hte people making aforementioned ate and whatevers and sort it better than you can reasoning!

but I suspect that's not something that you will be pursuing.

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My vote is on ZZZX and unless Titus gives me a super good argument for Fire Assassin, that won't change.

I think we're all town here though.

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and for the record that's something I really respect about you as a person.

I felt so fucking horrible about the fact that you shrugged off my tirade about you after Huntress game but I managed to upset you in the game where I was scum. I still do.

And Fire Assassin, the reason I hassle you sometimes is because there was a time when I considered you both one of the best and one of my favourite people to play mafia with and I've just felt like for whatever reasons it hasn't been the same playing with you since then. I think a break would do both of us good.

but why would town have doc nurse and bp?

To give the Role Cop clears.

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Like, I don't hassle people like Axle that I don't respect. I just ignore them. I'm not sure if this makes you feel better but I wouldn't be so hard on you if I didn't think you were an amazing player when you're on your game. I really wish that the times that I managed to pull your game out of you weren't either whenever we were on opposite alignments. Like when I was scum (and you managed to lynch me </3) or when I won. And whatever I probably shouldn't be saying this but that's how I feel about everything and I'm feeling very emotional so I'll share it.

What rant did I shrug off or is that at FA? Was it because you're scum and I considered it just part of the territory and manipulation maybe? Which game?

Why would the town need this many clears in a setup with a goon for mafia?

I think you're underestimating how low value docs are, how powerful the BP preventing docs from getting clears is, how low value role cops are, and how imba 7/2 is without power.

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And this really isn't a setup spec thing as much as it is a FA has been fucking town and you've been fucking town thing.

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and for the record that's something I really respect about you as a person.

I felt so fucking horrible about the fact that you shrugged off my tirade about you after Huntress game but I managed to upset you in the game where I was scum. I still do.

And Fire Assassin, the reason I hassle you sometimes is because there was a time when I considered you both one of the best and one of my favourite people to play mafia with and I've just felt like for whatever reasons it hasn't been the same playing with you since then. I think a break would do both of us good.

but why would town have doc nurse and bp?

To give the Role Cop clears.

What rant did I shrug off or is that at FA? Was it because you're scum and I considered it just part of the territory and manipulation maybe? Which game?

Why would the town need this many clears in a setup with a goon for mafia?

Do you remember the first game we played where Huntress was scum, you mislynched me, and I said some terrible crap?

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And we're not 'clears' unless the role cop checks us, don't forget.

And I would be not at all surprised if the remaining mafia was a 1-shot strongman or something like that that invests as guilty.

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Why would 1-shot bulletproof be guilty in a game with no town killing roles? I want you to think about that one.

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It's follow the cop but said cop is proven not to be able to guilty at least 1 scum and several of the townies.

So not really 'follow the cop'

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Why would 1-shot bulletproof be guilty in a game with no town killing roles? I want you to think about that one.

Why are you supposing that's honest?

A town rolecop plus doc = follow the cop no?

Of course, maybe bc a rolecop claim not believed maybe

I'm not- but this is following up on your reasoning based off of the role cop getting a guilty.

I'm not saying 1-shot BP is a super town role but I'm not discounting it either, and I think it's omre likely it was inserted as an anti-town role to prevent doc clears.

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I still don't understand where you're getting at setup spec making FA guilty.

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Do you think he was trying to attack both of us being considered clears?

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Wow when I'm drunk I can actually have a back and forth without being like 'fuck I'm not explaining my reads to yall'

I should alcohols more often.

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I didn't see your crumbs, for the record, while I did see FAs. I thought that his 'RC and Titus are town' shtick was a tracker-ish claim and he went Titus N1 and RC N2.

FMPOV: How was I to know that hugs = doc protection? I thought you were referencing the PMs I sent you (which were entirely not game related ftr)

I like when drunk Titus talks to drunk RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

And further I just think it's like

super obvious that after dom semi cleared me that scum would try to nightkill me.

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like I can't see firebringer CCing you here, especially not with that specific claim.

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ESPECIALLY not when it'd be pretty fucking easy for him to just pin the lynch on ZZZX and call it a day.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to acquire a little bit more alcohol then reread the 3 relevant ISOs.

The first crumb was me asking why scum didn't attack you?

Well there's honestly really good explanations for either prospective scum players.

ZZZX wanted to kill his neighbour.
FA knew I was salty about being NKed so much and wanted to kill someone else.

But I don't really see that as a crumb? At least not in the sense that someone would see that and think 'bingo Titus doc.'

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to acquire a little bit more alcohol then reread the 3 relevant ISOs.

The first crumb was me asking why scum didn't attack you?

Well there's honestly really good explanations for either prospective scum players.

ZZZX wanted to kill his neighbour.
FA knew I was salty about being NKed so much and wanted to kill someone else.

But I don't really see that as a crumb? At least not in the sense that someone would see that and think 'bingo Titus doc.'

Well duh! Excuse me if I'm not going to be really oh my god Titus is doc. My crumbs will reveal my role but not direct.

I nkoooooooow. jeez. but you kinda implied that he should have seen your crumbs, which I disagree with.

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like I can't see firebringer CCing you here, especially not with that specific claim.

What other claim could he go with?

No claim at all ideally. Let it come down to a 1v1 between him and ZZZX which he probably wins.

Or just outright claim Jailkeeper or something and say he jailed XYZ person.

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FA, why did you want to replace out?

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Be as specific about your feelings as y=ou can please.

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Yeah, I guess I'm mostly with you.

What's your read on me, given that FA claim thing?

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Neighbour doesn't preclude him having an additional power though.

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It's... not though?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65796

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Well anyway! That's what's going on.

Waddaya mean unique D:

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, alright.

Well that's where I stand.

Anything else you want to talk about or are we going to cut short the longest period of civilized, probably-same-faction discussion that we've ever had?

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Uhm. no we don't.

I could use some chocolate!

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, I asked you some game related questions.

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Okies.

How are you feeling right onw?

[RadiantCowbells]

I do I do.

Where's my chocolate, meanie.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's ok!

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lol

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Titus is conftown rn ftr.

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You didn't send one to me </3

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< / 3.

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Godot?

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Oh, yeah. I get it.

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I'll wait for another replace.

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My vote wasn't counted apparently or it would have already been hammer.

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FA, you should see Titus as conftown right now.

Why should I townread you here over LynchMe?

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Hi everyone.

Hugs titus?

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But I'm not 100% sure either.

Happy cake day as well!

[RadiantCowbells]

Who is that wise mentor of yours?

[RadiantCowbells]

Have you stolen anything from me?

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You're saying that, with the rolecop inno on me, you still wouldn't have tried to NK me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait, FA was in the neighbourhood as well?

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Any explanation why Jmo was NKed if you're town?

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I can't read FA very well and I certainly don't know how to read you.

Can you catch up and engage in macho repartee with FA to help me solve this?

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It will, because it'll help me read you guys!

>.>

I'd lynch you over him at this point. You'd need to change that.
I'm on V/LA at any rate so I'd prefer the game wait a while anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why did you rush the hammer yesterday FA?

[RadiantCowbells]

You hammered before claim.

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Okay then.

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You also tried to quickhammer LynchMe.

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VOTE: LynchMeSideways
Meh if Titus is scum she won.
I am going to go get drinks.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, walk me through your FA scumread again?

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I mean on the CC thing, I think that, maybe, FA figured you would just be stubborn and wouldn't have expected me to be able to sway you?
And the last few pages + the scum claim really doesn't feel town.

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You literally claimed scum.
You quickhammered a role cop and then tried to quickhammer in MyLo when someone else was your major scumread at the time.

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I want to see Equinox produce actual content.

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...you did fast lynch Dom though.

I threatened him because I wanted him to shape his ass up and make some content.

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I'm not sure one way or the other whether it's you or Equinox and I won't be until I see him make some content.

So, yeah.

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Ok...?

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I felt that as well- but that makes sense if he's claiming 1-shot BP.

Equinox would make the most sense with something like a 1-shot Strongman.

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Assuming ZZZX scum? maybe he panicked because his neighbour caught him out and strongman killed him.

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sadf

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm made up.

I will be voting you if you can't catch up and find sometihng I haven't Equinox.

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I am made up too.

I want to know if Equinox saw the crumb I did.

Made up in whose favour?

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The prodiest of dodges I am a ninja.

The best of the ninja, no other ninjas can deny, I am an assassin.

are you claiming ninja?

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I am made up too.

I want to know if Equinox saw the crumb I did.

You mean the I AM hard?

[RadiantCowbells]

I am made up too.

I want to know if Equinox saw the crumb I did.

You mean the I AM hard?

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Urgh.

Titus, I'll follow you.

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I'm saying that I want to townread you but you've done so many ridiculously scummy things.

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frankly I don't care if mislynching you would upset you.

but there's genuinely a bunch of things that make me think you could be town.

and also a bunch of things that make me think that you're not.

so :\

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I don't think I can read you. I've never pretended to be able to?

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ugh.
I still think that FA is town?

I'll hammer but ugh.

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I don't understand why Equinox would ask that question as town, I really don't.

Though FA not counterclaiming a BP claim just seems outrageous.

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Unless Firebringer is scum-aligned 1-Shot BP.

which would clean up a lot of mess.

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This sucks because neither the Dom nor the PC lynches had to happen but both were refusing to play the game and not letting themselves get replaced.

I'm not happy with either outcome at this point.

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VOTE: Fire Assassin

If this isn't scum Equinox targets Titus and we lose but meh. Unavoidable.
GG!

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I was 100% sure Titus was town and I was town myself.

I saw no reason not to take advantage of Dom making a weird claim to force a 50/50 between the two people who could actually be scum.

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FTR: dom was right because there's no way there'd be a role cop in this situation without at least one scum being guiltiable, so my being vanilla was conftown.

but I didn't want to have to argue with people about Titus's alignment because there's so much backstory to the read that trying to explain it is an exercise in futility.

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It's not follow the cop when you can't guilty all of the scum, imo.

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ty for getting me back on the right track Titus.