New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Aristophanes]

Rach, I looked it up, and both Ascetic and Enabler are considered "Normal." That's not actually a departure from the norm.

DGB, do your thoughts on Perf change now that you realized there were 3 kills last night?

[Aristophanes]

Lol I ain't no scum bud.
But your Kuroi case is becoming compelling.

[Aristophanes]

I did Oz already, will do Frag soon.
I'll post what I have so far now I guess.

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so first off, probably looking for 2-3 associates and an SK. That plus a Vig shot accounts for the deaths, and makes for a viable setup scum-wise. They probably still have some decent power, maybe a strongman/ninja/godfather that they'd want to protect more than a goon like Ozgin. Fragger was probably expendable too, especially after the Enabler was claimed, and subsequently killed.

This is where I will be approaching this game from now.

[Aristophanes]

Okay, Ozgin had a small Iso post-wise, but holy shit can this guy Wall post!
Early on, possible RVS distancing with Smart. No real notes otherwise there though.
I can pretty much say for sure that Creature is not a scum mate of his, based on the wall he made against him.
KAAG is a possibility though, based on said wall, and possibly Cakez.
(Mostly noting so I remember to look at them for extended ties and whatnot).

Slandarr interactions are either subtle coaching (assuming no day talk?) Or are Slandarr being good and catching Ozgin quite well. I'll have to see if he acted on any of it, because I'm going by Ozgin Iso and need Slandarr's side of things to be sure either way.
As I read, I am restating this to note that Slandarr is the only person Ozgin has any real, non Iso/Wall interactions with. It's weird.

Moving on to a second post as I'm halfway through this Iso of walls and am afraid I'm making one myself.

[Aristophanes]

Actually, not much else to note in this Iso. Except that I thought he and Cakez were scummates until I remembered he's dead town. Otherwise, just proddodge and suddenly thinking Fragger was scum out of nowhere.

Yep,cool. Might put more into this,but Damn are those walls shitty to read.

[Aristophanes]

Aris you're so fucking hard to read it makes me frustrated

<3

[Aristophanes]

Balls of Steel!

[Aristophanes]

I think Fragger was bus'ing iraonavp.

didn't Iroan flip town already??

[Aristophanes]

KEK OMG THE TOWNTELLS WHAT WHAT A

I also think this could be faked.

[Aristophanes]

Slandarr, you keep pushing that I have only made a shitty case for Snarky's inactivity being scum all game. This is untrue. It's getting as stale a case as DGB against Yume.
KAAG is stagnating in a case against me as well.

I propose that you either get a better case or drop it, as it is quite unproductive.

[Aristophanes]

Rach, I looked it up, and both Ascetic and Enabler are considered "Normal." That's not actually a departure from the norm.

DGB, do your thoughts on Perf change now that you realized there were 3 kills last night?

What in the? How would her read on me change based on 3 kills last night? I don't understand how town would think this to ask.
This seems like Ari knows extra info , as in he is on the scum team.

I'd like us to put Ari at L-1 as soon as possible. No more waiting until deadline please.

@SS thanks!

I thought to ask it because a large portion of their case on you was that you assumed a Vig, not an SK, even though we likely have both. How does this imply that I have extra info?

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so first off, probably looking for 2-3 associates and an SK. That plus a Vig shot accounts for the deaths, and makes for a viable setup scum-wise.

They probably still have some decent power, maybe a strongman/ninja/godfather that they'd want to protect more than a goon like Ozgin.

Fragger was probably expendable too, especially after the Enabler was claimed, and subsequently killed.

This is where I will be approaching this game from now.

The sentence in bold is so peculiar. It's very specific .

Would you rather I be gauge about my suspicions? That's rather unhelpful.

[Aristophanes]

I can see where Killthestory's coming from on pg 91 , regarding Kuroi. I'd like us to wagon Ari first though . Scumread on him is higher than on Kuroi - also placing a bit of trust into Slandaar's reply to me. If we're wrong about Ari, we can look into Slandaar .

This reminds me of Frag's constant push on ira since d1, and Frag turned out scum.
Slandaar I really hope you are right about that slot.

Chained lynch?
Delecious!

[Aristophanes]

^ thats a scumclaim

Explain?

[Aristophanes]

These arguments are getting dumb.

Slandarr, I'll find that question I missed at my earliest convenience.

[Aristophanes]

Even though I suggested to vote inactive people to move the game forward?

I mean, that's not the worst suggestion really.
I'm not sure why everyone is all over you atm.

[Aristophanes]

I will be much more active right now, so I am going to go through this game day see if anything pings me and go back look at flips again.

There was like 3 kills right?
So Vigi and SK? W/e?

I don't know, I WILL BE MORE INTO THIS GAME I PROMISE YOU ALL!

That's the assumed setup atm.

Looking forward to the input!

[Aristophanes]

Have I mentioned my scumread on KAAG yet?

[Aristophanes]

It's been a month. This goes beyond impatience.

KAAG and a replace-slot are prolly scummates.

[Aristophanes]

Why? Because given the option of speculation between SK and Multiball, I always assume SK unless I am given reason to believe otherwise.this means, in a game of 21, 4 scum and an SK is reasonible and is my assumption.
What leaves you unconvinced here?

[Aristophanes]

Also, VOTE: Yume
You're right, the game is stalling.
Let's get movement t so we can progress.

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Under normal circumstances, I would be fighting against this as slots in a limbo can neither defend the selves nor claim. However, this is an extreme case and I cannot justify staying off it anymore.

The vig should have shot here a long time ago (unless they are a 1-shot, in which case, thanks for hitting scum with it!)

[Aristophanes]

And if DGB suddenly ascends, she was lyncher

[Aristophanes]

If Yume is town, it tells us Goofball is likely scum.
If Yume is scum, Goofball is more likely to be town.

That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad LOL

He's supporting a Yume lynch.
Just go with it! Lol

[Aristophanes]

...i kind of feel like unvoting now. I feel like Goofball is a lyncher.

How long have I been saying this?
*Sigh*
Why do I even say things...

[Aristophanes]

I might compromise on Kuroi after his most recent posts but my hunch is that if Kuroi is scum, it's with Yume.

I suppose I really have to reread Kuroi!
I don't see what everyone is fussing about on him.

[Aristophanes]

Lol @ the fake Gladiator

[Aristophanes]

Back in the good old days we enjoyed a vigorous lynch and were loathe to stall it with nonsense.

I was about to say you were aging yourself, then I noticed your joindate...

[Aristophanes]

Don't look at my birth date then....

Yes back then we fed people rope and we had no shame about it. There was no lengthy Ceremony of the Hammer. You were at L-2, you claimed. If you stalled, you were mercilessly hammered and flipped scum. Anyone that would have brought up fancy bullshit like "intent to hammer" would have been vig'ed.

How I miss those days where bloodlust was celebrated!

Lest start a merciless movement then!

[Aristophanes]

Okay!

My vote should be there already.
Everyone else, join plz.

[Aristophanes]

OMG !
Perf is on KAAG!
VOTE: KAAG

I thought this would never happen!

[Aristophanes]

Lynch plz.
If we get this successfully, FBG, I promise Yume is next.

[Aristophanes]

FBG = DGB.
Vote with me, old friend!

[Aristophanes]

OMG !
Perf is on KAAG!
VOTE: KAAG

I thought this would never happen!

VOTE: Aris

WTF even!?

Why KTS??

[Aristophanes]

Yay! Anybunny is better than nobunny in this slot!
Hopefully this game will wake up with a Reverie!

What, in my reaction to the flips, looks like I had insider info? Do my reactions to any other flips also show this? Because I think you're reading too much into that.
What was interesting about FB's reaction?

Do you have any developed reads on anyone else? Any comments about the occurrences of D4?
What are your thoughts, more precisely, on the K slots (KAAG, KTS, and Kuroi), and on DGB?

[Aristophanes]

How the fuck are you assuming Mylo!?

12 alive, 2 dead scum.
Even if a scumteam of 5 plus an SK, a mislynch would leave us at 4:5 tomorrow, assuming both NKs go through.

[Aristophanes]

Someone was wrong.

[Aristophanes]

Pagetop!!!

I don't even know.
Like, I'd make a list, but I don't know that I'd believe i it. Maybe once something happens again I'll make one for you.

[Aristophanes]

Shit, I did forget. Sorry!

I'll revisit this tonight. I don't know that my feelings on that read are as sting anymore.

[Aristophanes]

I think both

KTS and Kuroi

are town after reading their ISOs, they both have honest reads on the game and they seem pretty have been fairly active. I think it's kinda silly they're voting on eachother here, frankly.

DBG

on the other hand has been posting barely any content. I'm not gonna be posting a long quote take thing mostp laers do, because that isn't my style. But so far, My reads can be summarized as such.

Town: KTS, Kuroi,

Egg

Scum: DGB

I wasn't going to respond to this but I changed my mind.

How did Egg end up in your town reads?

Overanalyzing every little thing just seems to be his gig and he is doing it this game.

Lol

[Aristophanes]

The scum is in a rush to foil my Yume/Reverie death tunnel.

You've been doing it very little justice lately though, so that's on you too

[Aristophanes]

Slandarr, I did a reread on the cases, and I think it's a minor thing in how the cases were presented. However, it is not a basis for a strong read on Creature, so I rescind my earlier comment.

[Aristophanes]

I might vote for whoever was whiteknighting that player slot. Please identify yourselves.

You are ridiculous and it's hilarious!

[Aristophanes]

Aeronaut has failed to respond to the moderator prod. I'll officially be taking over modding this game. If there's an urgent request, PM my main (Titus) or hit me on skype. Actions will still need to be sent to Axl_Rose. VCs updated.

Thanks,

Titus

<3 u Titus!!!

I hope all is well Aero!

[Aristophanes]

Aeronaut has phases of him being inactive for long periods of time. Its unfortunate but at least he had the foresight to get a co-mod (Or was forced, w/e)
Thanks titus for picking up the slack.

WE should lynch KTS btw.

One might say he had forcesight?

KTS, eh?

[Aristophanes]

Prodging as it's the weekend.

[Aristophanes]

*Whispering* PSST
Hey, Mods! It's not N4 anymore! The title here is wrong!

*slinks back to the dead thread*