New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[KuroiXHF]

Hey guys! I'm going to spend a lot of time out of today to read the whole game. I'll hope to have a long, detailed and thorough response by the end of tonight.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Boonskiies

just because he voted me

im going to vote him back

OK, so I'm posting this. I lost between Page 30 and Page 35, but nothing was too huge other than stuff I'll probably repeat when I go back. For right now, here's what I have. No, I won't respond to any individual points until I'm fully up to date:

Page 1 Notes:
- Early suspicion on iraonvp and Mafiaturtle on this Jam wagon.
- FoS GoldenRobster If you're saying boonskiies is scum, you're saying I'M SCUM! >:o (No. I'm not serious.)

Page 2 Notes:
- Town vibe on SomethingSmart.
- Actually, scum vibe now on Golden Robster. He made that scummy comment on 27 to just bandwagon Boonskiies. Just "bandwagonning" anyone is a terrible idea. I thought he was laughing it off in the next post so I kind of disregarded it. Then 42 rekindled my suspicion.
- I actually don't like 48. There's a difference between lurking and coasting. This early on in the game, scum coast, not lurk. If someone didn't post, it's more likely because they haven't found time in the day to pop in quite yet.

Page 3 Notes:
- 71 This may just be more annoying to me because I faced the same damn thing from the first game, but are you really saying someone not understanding game terms like alignment-indication or RVS or something like that is alignment indicative? Get out of here.
- Also Boonskiies agrees? The guy I'm replacing - I don't like his play style.
- 74 Here here.

Page 4 Notes:
- 81 Ahahaha. This is adorable.
- 85 Ness, I think, is overreacting a bit.
- 92 Why do I get a KainTepes feel from you?
- 94 If I was here during Day One, I'd probably vote him by now.

Page 6 Notes:
- 129 For some reason and this is only a gut feeling, but I don't like this post from Fraggernaut.
- 136 I generally have negative opinions on anyone who unnecessarily calls themselves town.
- 137 This post made me realize that GuyFawkes has really coasted quite a bit this day phase. Not good.
- 149 General town vibe from Mafiaturtle.

Page 7 Notes:
- 156 Fraggernaut has some good questions and shows thoroughness in Iroanvp's ISO. Townie points.
- 161 I didn't like his earlier vibes, but I'm liking this. He's bringing me to null-territory on him. Maybe even lean town.
- 164 I don't like this. Just because you have a vote doesn't mean that you should use it. It also seems a bit out of SirCakez's character to be this aggressive.

Page 8 Notes:
- 178 I actually don't have full confidence that Snowman read the game before responding. This may not be the most relative comment in the world, but that's what I feel now.
- 189 What a terrible introduction. With as much info as there is in the game, you could have certainly done more.
- 191 While I believe Ozgin's premise is fallacious, I don't object to this vote and I think it's coming from a town point of view. (The fallacious part is that just because you consider someone's play to be how you would play as scum, doesn't mean they're scum.)
- In general, Iraonavp (Glad I finally got his name right) - His defense isn't terrible. If I was in the game, it would at least make me go over the evidence.

Page 9 Notes:
- 202 Really? It seemed anything

but

sincere. lol
- 213 I'm really trying to shake this off but everything Slandaar is throwing me is coming up null. I can't read anything off him. I'm hoping this goes away soon.
- 222 I'm beginning to think of this as terrible words coming from a probable town.

Page 10 Notes:
- 229 Doesn't make me think he's any more town, but I agree.
- 240 Terrible reason to vote someone. You know what I did when I had school projects? Procrastinate.
- 245 Did you seriously vote Ness after there's a replacement search on him? This is... beyond terrible.
- 255 VOTE: Mod Lynch all liars!
...okay, fine. UNVOTE:
274 This reminds me of nearly everyone's involvement in Yuk It Up Buttercup, when there were more, "I'm going to catch up," rather than actually catching up.

Page 12 Notes:
- 276 Oh, come

on.

- 279 I think I'm right. This is more answering questions rather than actually catching up and issuing his reads.
- 299 I think you're giving Ness way too much credit. Him replacing out doesn't mean he's not scum. In fact, him replacing out is not alignment indicative. If he's town, he has schoolwork. If he's scum, guess what? He has schoolwork. I suggest we stop talking about Ness' exit and worry more about whom replaces him. (Although, it's Day 2 now. I'm guessing the discussion has stopped.) Also, I disagree about SirCakez.

Page 13 Notes:
- 314 Please tell me he's already lynched... pretty please?
I can't comment more on this. Sure, there's the vote on Iraonavp but I have to read more on Killthestory, and he's not contributing anything to help town. He is epitomizing stagnation.

Page 14 Notes:
...Just realized. Where the hell is the guy I'm replacing?
331 Slandaar is still pretty cloudy, but I think I'm confident enough to put him as a lean town.

Page 15 Notes:
350 I don't like how Slandaar said this like it's an established fact. (I.e: Innocent Child) Frag obviously has a different opinion.
368 I can't be the only one thinking he's a troll, can I?
370 What were you hoping to accomplish with this post? Were you expecting anything outside of, "No, I wouldn't?"

Page 16 Notes:
386 Bad answer. You said something was bad. Something that isn't good isn't necessarily bad. If you've made the claim of something being bad, you have the burden of proof to answer the question, not deflect it.
399 Ahahahahahahaha.

Page 17 Notes:
Loved Iraonavp's 403 but hated 405. I'm pretty confident Iraonavp is town-aligned.
406 This was actually very odd to me. I don't know why Drixx felt the need to say this... Maybe he actually didn't read the game.
418 You're a dick friend? I mean, I don't swing that way, but enjoy being a dick friend.

Page 18 Notes:
433 I don't like this. Scum leaning on Creature.
438 Repeating what's already been said.
447 Yet you're not even trying.
449 I hope you're enjoying a nice Pina Colata during this beautiful cruise on the coast...

Page 19 Notes:
473 Thank you!

Page 20 Notes:
479 Why Kop?

Page 21 Notes:
505 Translation: I'm useless this game, and am contributing nothing.
511 Welcome!
513 This is not the action of someone that's scum.
518 Simple. The same as other numbers. Difference? More scum. More townies. Get to it.
521 I'm going through ~50. I have no sympathy for you.

Page 23 Notes:
574 You decide that. Don't let the group dictate who you vote for. Think for yourself.

Page 25 Notes:
Dripping Goofball needs to condense this shit. He's just spamming. Blame me if you must but I'm skipping it. I can't deal with this.
607 This appears to be sheeping to me.
613 A blanket "this is scum" seems cookie-cutter and poorly executed.
615 Are you tooting your own horn or changing your mind.
622 He just called scum in two other posts this page.

Page 26 Notes:
627 Pot calling kettle black?
638 I get why you voted Iraonavp, but if you're suggesting he's the scummiest one of everyone here, you're wrong.
646 No it's not.

Page 27 Notes:
652 Nice comeback.
654 You know, I never thought of it that way... but you're exactly right.
664 You said that you won't be prodded again. The fact that I am here proved that was a lie.

Page 28 Notes:
676 Agreed. People who want PR roles are more worried about having work done for them rather than being good at Mafia.

Page 29 Notes:
709 This is more smart-assed than this is being helpful.
717 This post made me go into his ISO. I found about 5% of his posts to be of

any

value. I stopped until when I hit his 717 post. Please tell me he's dead. ...eh, I'll find out by the time I get to the current page, but even the guy I'm replacing added more value. Holy shit.
723 I need to fact check this but if you're right, then good on you and I'll town read you, but right now, it just seems like a pissing contest between two towns.

[KuroiXHF]

Like, holy fucking shit. I started this four hours ago.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh. Wait a minute, I have Pages 31 and 34, which I commented, so here it is:

Page 31 Notes:
766 I want your pinky, so I can break it.

Page 34 Notes:
838

This

is your contribution? You are coasting like no other...
844 Question dodging.
848 Aristophanes is scum. Why? I'm being distracted with GnR kittens. "Oh, Oh-Oh-Oh, Sweet kitten of miiiiiiiiine!"

My next posts will be from Page 35 on.

[KuroiXHF]

Kurois catch-up was absolute ass

More content in 30-pages than you did in 51. Do the math.

[KuroiXHF]

Kurois catch-up was absolute ass

More content in 30-pages than you did in 51. Do the math.

yet my scumreads are infinitely better than yours clearly

Also you either completely miss jokes or be a hard ass, both of which are way more annoying than Iras play. Please be inactive like your predecessor.

Dude, do you even

have

scum-reads? You don't scum hunt, you blurt out random crap like you're Ollie Williams. Now I'm going back to finishing my reads. I'll be sure to respond if you happen to make anything worthy of note.

[KuroiXHF]

Page 35 Notes:
864 I actually missed Iraonavp's hard claim, though it did ring to be of a joking tune. I guess we'll see.
865 I feel Performer is town, and that Killthestory is scum.
872 What? Where the hell did you get that idea?

Page 36 Notes:
875 The attempt to appear townie looks way too obvious.
888 This sounds weird, but I feel Aristophanes is one of the easiest people for me to read, and he appears town. I'll soon come back and take a look at who he replaced so I can compare slots, but I feel he's pretty town. If I'm wrong, I'm shaking his hand.

Page 37 Notes:
906 *wonders how this could be alignment indicative...*

Page 38 Notes:
927 Again. Please do something useful.
942 Okay. I normally don't do this, but I'm sick of you enough to where I'll risk being wrong, but VOTE: SnarkySnowman. I don't know if you're alive. I don't know if you've been replaced. All I know is I want you alive or replaced.
949 Of course.

Page 39 Notes:
952 I guess I was wrong about Sircakez. Holy shit about Pisskop, though.
956 Unexplained vote was unexplained.
959 *wonders how having a roommate could be alignment indicative...*
964 I'm confused on Ozgin. I loved his beginning posts, but he actually did something now. It kind of irks me that he hasn't done anything and hasn't even appeared to have made an effort. I'm beginning to scum read him...

Page 40 Notes:
985 What the hell is this supposed to mean?

Page 41 Notes:
1012 I'm not sure if GuyFawkes is still a person viable for a lynch, but I'm expressing interest. He's added nothing to the game and is doing little other more than coasting as is SnarkySnowman.

Page 42 Notes:
1034 Excellent contribution, doctor.
1035

Was?

Are you not town any longer?
1040 *sigh* You're actually doing something now. UNVOTE: I'll actually wait until being fully caught up before I decide to lynch you.

Page 43 Notes:
1062 Wtf...

Page 45 Notes:
1111 You don't give me the vibe of being scummy, but your later posts have been super unhelpful. I can't, in good conscience, vote with you based on that.

Page 47 Notes:
1153 He's not even defending himself...
1157 Finally. Frag noticed.
1162 Finally. Material.
1164 How the hell are you still in this game?
1169 I think you're distracting by bringing up old stuff that isn't necessarily relevant anymore to this game.
1172 You would be correct.

Page 50 Notes:
1225 Thanks. Want to share a reason why?
1240 Watch who the fuck you're saying, "Hey" to, buddy! (BTW, hi!)

That's all I'm really bothered to comment on. For right now, I'm placing a vote on VOTE: GuyFawkes. I'll do a read list soon.

[KuroiXHF]

you need to stop. These suck so much

In actuality they don't.

Care to explain why they suck in your opinion though instead of just saying "they suck" ?

Don't bother. He needn't waste his talent on common folk like me.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town: Aristophanes, SomethingSmart
Lean Town: Ozgin, Drixx, Firebringer, Egg, Yume, Iraonavp, Fraggernaut
Null: Performer
Lean Scum: Killthestory, Ilikebugs, KickAssAndGiggle
Strong Scum: GuyFawkes, SnarkySnowman, DrippingGoofball

I also want to suggest maybe a lynch on DrippingGoofball. I've been having a lot of scummy feeling toward him and looking back, I remember that he replaced GoldenRobster, whom I also had a lot of scummy feelings toward.

[KuroiXHF]

Now I'm fully caught up. Took me about five hours, but I am. I know my readlist is completely disproportional but I feel once I have more interactions with people, it'll change. I generally only have strong lynching urges to the people on the Strong Scum list.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi, you hardly mentioned me in your catchup, and then you call me strong town. Where is that read coming from?

From the times I did mention you. I'll be frank: I commented a lot more on what I didn't like rather than what I did.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town: Aristophanes, SomethingSmart
Lean Town: Ozgin, Drixx, Firebringer, Egg, Yume, Iraonavp, Fraggernaut
Null: Performer
Lean Scum: Killthestory, Ilikebugs, KickAssAndGiggle
Strong Scum: GuyFawkes, SnarkySnowman, DrippingGoofball

I also want to suggest maybe a lynch on DrippingGoofball. I've been having a lot of scummy feeling toward him and looking back, I remember that he replaced GoldenRobster, whom I also had a lot of scummy feelings toward.

This is the first time I ever recall anyone putting solely me , at null. Very peculiar. Kuroi you remember the game with knightmare, Ranger, RC, Heat, Jeanne, and me ? Not sure why you null read me.
What I'm honestly finding odd is how you put Aris as strong town .
I can see why people scumread Drip, though I've played with her before and her town playstyle is somewhat abrasive. Haven't seen her scum play . I also have a theory about her predecessor, a theory that is directly linked to the way Golden was acting on d1 before his replace out.

Despite that, during my catchup I noticed she's not mentioned me in her very brief posts about who she townreads and scumreads. Drip, are you scumreading me? If so, how come?

I also failed to be clear about what I meant with the whole, "null." I'm not sure how to sort you. I saw stuff I liked and stuff I didn't. I didn't write "Unsorted" because I kind of expected to have everyone sorted. There were a couple people I was going to put null such as Iraonavp or Fraggernaut, but I ended up liking them more than I didn't. I have feelings about you, but I'm not sure how. I'll probably do this tomorrow because in the midst of doing this and other stuff out of the game (like trying to get questions answered about my passport from the government, which was damn near impossible), I'm fucking tired.

Oh and yes, I do remember that game. That's Yuk It Up, Buttercup. I didn't pay as much attention to it - and I seem to remember you joining after I left. If you want me to meta DrippingGoofball, I will, but I don't tend to use their meta as an excuse for scummy play, especially when Golden acted the way they did.

Despite reading through the whole game once (and hopefully not doing that again), I feel confident enough that I like my vote on GuyFawkes enough that it can be there until tomorrow. Again, I prefer others but at this very moment, it's good.

I actually have a good feeling about this game. I've been with a worse crowd.

[KuroiXHF]

Yet yours hasnt...

Those in glass houses...

Your response is interesting.

Why would mine change?

Seems fair, but I think you could've commented on some things you find strange.

Alright I will say something.

It's strange that you care so much about kops vote.

It's also strange how Fragger was lost earlier - he seemed out of synch with the town, pestered for an explanation of the 'red flags', then didn't provide his opinion on it after the explanation was posted without being chased.

Well, Drixx and his posts don't sit well with me. It seems to me he's using his analogy as a shield to hide behind. Therefore,

VOTE: Drixx

This confuses me. You vote Drixx but this quote hasn't involved Drixx in any way, either in conversation or in subject. What's with the quote?

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town: Aristophanes, SomethingSmart
Lean Town: Ozgin, Drixx, Firebringer, Egg, Yume, Iraonavp, Fraggernaut
Null: Performer
Lean Scum: Killthestory, Ilikebugs, KickAssAndGiggle
Strong Scum: GuyFawkes, SnarkySnowman, DrippingGoofball

I also want to suggest maybe a lynch on DrippingGoofball. I've been having a lot of scummy feeling toward him and looking back, I remember that he replaced GoldenRobster, whom I also had a lot of scummy feelings toward.

these reads suck ass

You know. I'd agree with you, but I don't see any reason why we both should be wrong.

Full responses later today.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town: Aristophanes, SomethingSmart
Lean Town: Ozgin, Drixx, Firebringer, Egg, Yume, Iraonavp, Fraggernaut
Null: Performer
Lean Scum: Killthestory, Ilikebugs, KickAssAndGiggle
Strong Scum: GuyFawkes, SnarkySnowman, DrippingGoofball

I also want to suggest maybe a lynch on DrippingGoofball. I've been having a lot of scummy feeling toward him and looking back, I remember that he replaced GoldenRobster, whom I also had a lot of scummy feelings toward.

these reads suck ass

Strong Town: Aristo- Absolutely not. His posts contain a slight amount of content, and I'm not reading them as really strong town gut wise. There interest in pushing town's interests seems not to equal strong town. If anything, I'd put them at a lean town, if not null.

SomethingSmart is sort of town. I'd probably read them as townlean, but I can see where strong town comes from.

Lean town: Ozgin, agreed. Drixx, nope. There vibe that they give me is scummy, and they're going on about AtE things and bullshit that doesn't pertain to the game. Their content isn't great either, and they haven't pushed the game at all for someone who posts so much.

Firebringer, his behavior so far has not been alignment indicative. I'd probably read it as scummy for being so useless half the time, one of the things you repeatedly critiqued me for. He hasn't done shit, and I do see town!Fire doing shit a lot, when he's town at least.

Egg, I'm fine with that.

Yume, I forget who they replaced, but they haven't done shit so far and are a notable null for me at the moment.

Irao, His posting is absolute ass as well as his content. Literally garbage. However, I do gut read him as town. I do agree there.

Frag, NOPE LOL. First it started out with his "reaction test" that sounded like the excuse came straight out of his ass as soon as he got pressured. Then he starts sheeping stronger town, and circlejerking those who are pushing people to push mislynches. The vibes he gives me are hella bad, too.

Null: Performer, nah. I'd rate them as town.

Scum lean: Ilikebugs, nah, definitely would rate them as town. Too ballsy to be scum.

KAAG, Pretty fucking town imo.

Strong Scum: Guyfawkes, agreed.

SS, not agreed in the slightest. If you ever played with Snarky, this clearly isn't his scumgame whatsoever LOL.

DG, Nah, probably not scum.

You're making me blush. Aristophanes and I pushed you to do something useful, and you did. You're back up to a null read.

Kuro, did I miss why Aris is strong town?

*Kuroi
Purely because I feel extremely confident in reading Aristophanes in general. To clarify, I have no in-game connection to his character. It's more of reading his posts alongside his activity level and in-depthness that makes him so easy to read for me.

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Mod Notes:

"If the World"

• (0)
  KuroiXHF
  —
  (0)
  Ozgin
  —
  
  (6)
  Aristophanes
  — Slandaar, Performer, SnarkySnowman, Ilikebugs, Egg, Drixx
  
  (2)
  Killthestory
  — DrippingGoofball, iraonavp
  (0)
  Performer
  —
  
  (4)
  Drixx
  — Aristophanes, Something_Smart, KickAssAndGiggle, Yume
  (0)
  Ilikebugs
  —
  
  (1)
  Firebringer
  — Killthestory
  (0)
  GuyFawkes
  —
  (0)
  Something_Smart
  —
  (0)
  Egg
  —
  (0)
  Slandaar
  —
  (0)
  Yume
  —
  
  (1)
  iraonavp
  — Fraggernaut
  (0)
  DrippingGoofball
  —
  (0)
  KickAssAndGiggle
  —
  
  (2)
  Fraggernaut
  — GuyFawkes, Ozgin
  (0)
  SnarkySnowman
  —
  
  (2)
  [Not Voting]
  —
  KuroiXHF, Firebringer

- (expired on 2016-04-27 23:00:32) -

There's an error, mod. I voted for GuyFawkes. I swore someone else did, too...

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: YUme

This is your second post where there's nothing but a blanket vote. You didn't even quote anyone this time. Want to give us reasons?

[KuroiXHF]

@Guy, still not used to this meta. back on my home site, we didnt vote like that so often. i forget myself sometimes.

@kuroi, k. my reads i formulate arent ever usually explained, but i push them. may not seem like content, but i push a lot.

@EVERYONE,

while it may not effect entirely my posting style, i fucked my thumb up really badly. like really badly. i think i dislocated it, and ill probably have to see a doctor soon, but for right now i think its dislocated and still untreated. therefore, my posts will probably be even briefer than before.

I'm really curious as to your intention when playing. The key aspects to playing [as town] are:
1. Finding who scum is.
2. Pursuing scum.

Let's say you're the best scum hunter in the world. You may as well not need the mod to tell you who scum are because you know it before they do, you can't two number two. In order to be able to push the lynch, you need other townies to join in on your cause. Well, your posts come off as rubbish. They come off the same way GuyFawkes' and SnarkySnowman's posts come off. How do you expect people to follow you or at least take you seriously?

The only way I can tell is you suggesting people or hoping people tell others, "Well, this is how Killthestory

always

acts."

As you may be able to tell, saying, "Your reads are ass," are not constructive. They don't do anything constructive.

With that said, I hope your thumb heals soon.

[KuroiXHF]

*Insert excuse about work here*.

That excuse sucks.

[KuroiXHF]

Slots are meaningless, unless we're talking town v. scum. If Player A is a lurker and then gets replaced by Player B, it's fallacious to assume Player B is a lurker or should be voted because of Player A.

[KuroiXHF]

SomethingSmart, I find it interesting how our reads are nearly opposites.

[KuroiXHF]

SomethingSmart, I find it interesting how our reads are nearly opposites.

because your reads arent very good

i think something has some pretty good reads

'kay. I'm going to start ignoring you again.

[KuroiXHF]

Because you don't like my opinion? Very townie bro, nice work. Next time have good reads and maybe you wont have to ignore me as much

No. Because you're useless and acting pro-townie. When you just say something stupid like, "your reads suck," you're not helping anyone.

Now shush. You're distracting the adults from finding scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Wow, Snarky is scum :S

Who wants to wagon with me there??

I might join you on SnarkySnowman if there's interest, but I have reservations on the vote counting. My vote hasn't even been recorded right.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay, then.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[KuroiXHF]

I'm open to either Guy or Snarky. There just seems to be more of an interest on a Snarky lynch.

[KuroiXHF]

Snarky is not helping the town. Snarky does not produce content. Snarky is coasting by, laying under the radar more than anyone (save one or two) and Snarky doesn't show that he's going to do anything differently.

[KuroiXHF]

What did you find?

[KuroiXHF]

All I remember is a case based on inactivity, which is null.

Inactivity is not null. Especially when it's a chronic problem in a player slot.

This is a terrible post, and I already explained why.

[KuroiXHF]

I like joining wagons.
Wagons are fun:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Perhaps this is not a great post.

I don't see why he has to qualify his vote at all if his motives are so pure and simple.

He doesn't qualify

any

of his votes. He doesn't contribute.

[KuroiXHF]

We're coming up on the end of the day. We are going to lynch somebody. I literally cannot get traction on any slot I read as scummy no matter what I say. There are two wagons that are potentially viable that aren't me. My vote WAS a vanity vote on a wagon nobody was going to join.

I agree and disagree with this:

1. I agree that it is coming up to the end of the day.
2. I agree that we need to consolidate votes.
3. I disagree that he shouldn't be seen as a viable lynch. You have four votes (as of the last vote count.) You're viable. And this is coming from someone who town reads you.

We have a couple people with enough votes to be considered:
- Aristophanes
- Drixx
- Fraggernaut
- SnarkySnowman.

I believe we should look somewhere in these four for our next lynch, unless you guys want a no lynch, which is not something I would suggest.

I'm not confident that we'll have someone who's not in this group of four as our next lynch, considering the amount of time left.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuro, I asked you why you were townreading Aris and you basically came back with "because he's easy to read". Can I get some example of what is so town? Also, why do you have such an issue with DGB's lurker vote on Yune when you are advocating wagons on Snark and Guy for basically the same thing?

From my evlauation, Aristophanes likes to coast when he's scum. As evidence, I submit:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65873
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=65320

There is a chance that he could try to deceive us with his meta, but everyone has their own style and his behavior this game doesn't feel forced.

As far as DGB, Yume's lurking isn't alignment indicative. However, Snarky and Guy are consistently here, just enough not to be prodded (on the most part) and when they are here, giving us no content, nothing of value. Yume hasn't been here long enough where she passes through that threshold, not like Snarky and Guy. I can reevaluate Yume at another time, but as far as right now, I'm not thinking that Yume is scum.

[KuroiXHF]

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not voting SnarkySnowman solely because of inactivity.

Aristophanes has also shown me games where he was town and inactive, but when I read them, they seemed off. Don't get me wrong, I'm scrutinizing his posts just like I am everyone else's; all I'm saying is I find him very easy to read.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuro, but do Snark and Guy really strike you as the kind of players who will be more useful as town than as scum?

*Kuroi
And yes. I do. Especially if they're newer players, which they appear to be.

[KuroiXHF]

You argued otherwise in the game where you were scum, Aris!

[KuroiXHF]

@Mod - Another VLA for a few days - Turns out I'm sicker than I thought. Might be strep, I dunno. I've been spitting blood and haven't been able to swallow comfortably for a whole week now.

This is too easy for the "That's what she said."

@Mod - Another VLA for a few days - Turns out I'm sicker than I thought. Might be strep, I dunno. I've been spitting blood and haven't been able to swallow comfortably for a whole week now.

Dude. Go see a doctor. If you lack the means, send me a PM and I'll take care of it. You don't spit up blood for a week and not get it checked. I'm being super serious and real here. The symptoms you describe are potentially symptoms of one of several fatal conditions. I've lost several online friends because they waited too long to see a doctor. Please take this seriously.

I wonder how this could be alignment indicative...

Seriously though, doctor.

[KuroiXHF]

^ We have a day left, a replacement required, a V/la (hopefully not dying), and a bunch of inactive proddodgers.

Snarky and I are the only really viable wagons now.

It's true. The other two I spoke about yesterday aren't viable any longer.

Wait so you rather let a useless slot stay in the game? What happens when that useless slot is around in MYLO or LYLO? Smh Something_Smart. Please try in the future to not say such dumb things. I want to actually win this game. Thanks

This isn't helpful.

VOTE: Fragger
Let's speedwagon this actually.

Neither is this. We aren't going to be able to speedlynch Fragger. I don't even think Fragger is scum.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Fragger
Let's speedwagon this actually.

Neither is this. We aren't going to be able to speedlynch Fragger. I don't even think Fragger is scum.

You're right. 1622 was awful though so I'd disagree about Fragger not being scum.
VOTE: Aristo

@Performer: I'm not worried about a NL. There's still over a day, that's enough time to consolidate on either wagon.

To be fair, I haven't liked Fraggernaut's more recent posts. He's probably bumped down, in my list, to null.

[KuroiXHF]

No. We're making some progress. For one, most people are either on you or SnarkySnowman.

[KuroiXHF]

If my count is correct, we have eight votes on SnarkySnowman. He's at L-2 and Aristophanes is at L-4.

[KuroiXHF]

I think Snarky may be town.

Do you have any ideas how useless random statements are without explanation?

"Let's lynch Performer!"
Can you understand everyone's reaction if I said that out of the blue?

[KuroiXHF]

I mean you're making a big deal out of me "refusing to help" when I've given a fair amount of my positions.

And my claiming is anti-town, I'll only do it when there is L-1 and intent to hammer.

Come on. You're not this terrible in Mafia, are you? Your positions are there, but your reasoning is barren. You give blanket statements and don't follow through. We ask for you to elaborate, but you don't.

Update - I'm doing better, I don't have Mono luckily enough, just Strep Throat. The antibiotics are working wonders

Can we get a VC? I'll try to read Aristo's and Snarky's ISOs amidst all of this extra work I have piled up.

I second this request. Also, glad to see you're feeling better.

[KuroiXHF]

Fucking Yume and Ozgin. Hammer this shit.

[KuroiXHF]

It's possible. A non-popular idea I suggest is having Aristophanes claim as well. We can then choose the best from those two.

[KuroiXHF]

There are

SEVENTEEN

minutes until deadline.

[KuroiXHF]

FYI, you've already voted Aristophanes. This vote, as you put it, is worthless.

[KuroiXHF]

Fair enough. Anyone who's here - There are two options: Vote Snarky or face a no lynch.

[KuroiXHF]

Obviously we don't, but there are no other options. There are two evils. Pick the lesser.

[KuroiXHF]

mod, please consider me on v/la until tomorrow evening.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay, I'm back! Will have a read through today. Until then, since I don't expect any changes in behavior...

VOTE: GuyFawkes

[KuroiXHF]

Well this is uneventful.

I don't even get Snarky's fakeclaim.
Why the hell even!?

He was desperate and selfish. He wanted to live.

Okay, I'm back! Will have a read through today. Until then, since I don't expect any changes in behavior...

VOTE: GuyFawkes

UNVOTE: I'll wait for a replacement. For right now, I'll look to see who else should be lynched.

I can't quite see a case on Fraggernaut, even though I null him.

[KuroiXHF]

U put him null? ... hm...

inactive

inactive

inactive

I'm pretty confident this isn't alignment indicative, but I didn't like how Killthestory had to clarify this to Performer. I'm asking myself in my head if Performer is twisting his words for a bias, or if it's just a simple accident.

[KuroiXHF]

Uggh.

We should just kill one of these two.

Repeat replacements are usually scum.

See, posts like these make it hard for me to townread you.

Town: Slandaar, DrippingGoofball, KickAssAndGiggle, iraonavp, Performer
Null/town: Killthestory, Ilikebugs, Drixx, Yume
Null/scum: Ozgin, GuyFawkes, KuroiXHF
Scum: Fraggernaut, Firebringer, Aristophanes

I really hate Ari's posts today. He's saying false and misleading things and then backtracking, 1841 feels like defending his buddy, and his pushes on the lurkers and on Slandaar are terrible.

Let me guess. I'm null/scum because I townread you and didn't quote you much in my initial review, right?

[KuroiXHF]

Yeah. I don't like it when I play cautiously, either.

[KuroiXHF]

Yume's not lurking. Yume's completely absent.

[KuroiXHF]

http://imgur.com/pdGaiL4

Totally irrelevant to the game but I lulzed a plenty

I agree.

It's not relevant to the game.

[KuroiXHF]

I'd rather lynch you, to be honest.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't understand why people necessarily see discrediting in a negative light. Why they

always

do that.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't understand why people necessarily see discrediting in a negative light. Why they

always

do that.

You are very wise.

Why then are you only voting the least active players?

I voted Snarky and Guy because of their comments that are completely and in all aspects, unhelpful to the town. They coast. Snarky was not such an active player, but he wasn't even in the bottom three in activeness.

Boon

Snarky

is not helping the town. Boon

Snarky

does not produce content. Boon

Snarky

is coasting by, laying under the radar more than anyone (save one or two) and Boon

Snarky

doesn't show that he's going to do anything differently.

I can apply this exact argument against your predecessor; Boon. So, 2/2 are (from your POV) town. Yet you intended to continue it today:

I swear to fucking God, I'm going to vote the next person who mentions "slots" in any way other than indicative of alignment. My predecessor was inactive, but I'm active. I scum hunt and I have reads.

Okay, I'm back! Will have a read through today. Until then, since I don't expect any changes in behavior...

VOTE: GuyFawkes

The argument is very generic to begin with 'Blah Blah not helping' but I find it very suspicious how your scumhunting is as it is considering your wisdom.

I will look at your town meta later to see if this is your scumhunting normally. I suspect not.

Feel free. Guy was a safe choice to vote until I was caught up because considering the activity, I doubt there would be a lynch that fast. Also, I expected Guy to have posted. Now that he's being replaced, I'm not voting until I get to meet his replacement and have a chat.

[KuroiXHF]

Thank you. I figured I'd join Davsto, recruit a couple people to be Drew Carey and Wayne Brady and we could play, "Whose scum read is it anyway?"

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi, what is your read on Fragger?

I'm liking him less and less. I kind of want to vote him, actually. I'm waiting until I can reread first.

[KuroiXHF]

I swear to fucking God, I'm going to vote the next person who mentions "slots" in any way other than indicative of alignment. My predecessor was inactive, but I'm active. I scum hunt and I have reads.

I think you didn't get the point so I will make sure it's clear for everyone. I was referencing Boon who was inactive and Snarky who was inactive not You/Boon. The point was your argument applies to both, both are town from your POV, yet you continued into today voting Guy for the the same thing basically. Doesn't seem sensible to me.

Guy, from the time he was active, was simply a detriment to town and was not pro-town. No one disputes this.

Feel free. Guy was a safe choice to vote until I was caught up because considering the activity, I doubt there would be a lynch that fast. Also, I expected Guy to have posted. Now that he's being replaced, I'm not voting until I get to meet his replacement and have a chat.

Why not Yume instead of Guy?[/quote]
I'd vote them both if I could. In fact.

Because I am town?

Fuck you.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Yume

[KuroiXHF]

Because I am town?

BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT

I gave everyone fair warning...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[KuroiXHF]

I think Fragger is town.

Guy, from the time he was active, was simply a detriment to town and was not pro-town. No one disputes this.

I don't see him as a detriment but he wasn't pro-town either. Same with Snarky, he wasn't a detriment, he just wasn't particularly helpful but he did post reads and what he thought.

The point I have been making is there is no mention of anything relating to alignment. Coasting, being useless, not being pro-town you can word it how you like it doesn't change anything.

Anything that is not pro-town is inherently pro-scum. if you are coasting through, you are making it easier to go unnoticed in the day so you can kill in the night. This might just be scum-theory that we disagree on, but I have legitimate reason to scum-read people like Snarky, and Guy.

I don't like this vote . Drip was voting Yume and after that terrible follow-up from Yume, Drip demanded we wagon that slot, then you voted Drip. I don't like that vote of yours , Kuroi...why did you vote Drip?

I made it very clear that I was voting whomever kept mentioning slots, not as it refers to alignment. Plus, I've scum read Drips for a long time.

[KuroiXHF]

Anything that is not pro-town is inherently pro-scum. if you are coasting through, you are making it easier to go unnoticed in the day so you can kill in the night. This might just be scum-theory that we disagree on, but I have legitimate reason to scum-read people like Snarky, and Guy.

Things can't be neutral?

No.

Coasting is weak but sounds good in theory. Why, after Reubus was lynched for not doing much or caring, would scum coast on D2?

So their play style can do a 180 mid-game? Does that sound town-like to you?

- Catching up on the Iraonavp vs Fraggernaut issue, Fraggernaut's role is more important than Iraonavp and I can't possibly see how this can be anything but conflicting and even if Iraonavp is telling us the truth, I'd rather risk Ira's life first. With that said,

VOTE: Iraonavp

[KuroiXHF]

hey all

Reading up now

See you when you finish catching up next week.

[KuroiXHF]

dont try to comment on every page. just read and give your thoughts or youll never finish

This.

@Kill doing short catchups as I go along so that its not one huge ass wall,

There's less wrong with walls than there are a page of first three-four sentence posts.

Ok caught up

Bullshit. It took me six hours to get through everything, and that was when the page was on ~Page 54.

Assume there is a player X who is playing similar to Snarky and doing very little.

If this player X is town then they are helping scum I can accept this argument. They are helping scum because they are an easy target for a mislynch. The issue is that player X can be scum. When they are scum they are helping town making themselves a likely target for a lynch so their actions are pro-town. Taking all this into account we can say their actions are actually neutral unless you know their alignment. What they are actually doing is being anti-agenda, which is to say they are not playing to help their agenda whatever that is.

I'll try to rephrase this to optimize clarity. If someone is doing something that is not helping town then they are not using their town slot as much as possible, which is akin to two wolves bringing sheep to their slaughter. It's a tug of war and town need to pull or they're being pulled. I don't accept the idea of neutral forces.

Snarky is not helping the town. Snarky does not produce content. Snarky is coasting by, laying under the radar more than anyone (save one or two) and

Snarky doesn't show that he's going to do anything differently.

You imply Snarky posting more would have been a town action here.
?[/quote]
Abso-freaking-lutely. The EASIEST way for scum to sneak under the radar is to post enough to be seen as not being a lurker, but not enough to really be noticed. At the same time, it's one of the first things I look for. I look for people who post little or a lot, but with low content. I give them more less benefit of the doubt than I do someone who posts a lot, but is controversial with their opinions.

[KuroiXHF]

Shit. Well I was wrong about Ozgin. Also, multiball? Vig?

[KuroiXHF]

Holy shit.

[KuroiXHF]

Firebringer is completely scum but you can't bring a single reason against him?

And I'm scum [at least in part] because I was wrong about Ozgin?

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

And I'll keep it there since nothing has changed since yesterday regarding him and I still think he's scummy.

[KuroiXHF]

I find it hard to believe town wouldn't check the flips before posting;

I actually pulled it up on my mobile phone. But my mobile phone didn't want to open all the spoilers it only openned Drixx, and showed town. So I was like okay, cant see rest will assume they were also town, I know bad. Then got on computer started posting and was like "Ohh I should actually check Ozgin and Fragger flips" then saw my horrible mistake lol.

Fire you always say you have late-game potential. We need all the help we can get.

I don't like this. It pings me as something scum would say. It sounds like a fake-town thing to say.

[KuroiXHF]

You'd want townie points, but I see you had WIFOM in there.

VOTE: Performer

[KuroiXHF]

You'd want townie points, but I see you had WIFOM in there.

VOTE: Performer

WIFOM? What are you even talking about? Talk to me, Kuroi.

I am still re-evaluating my scumreads , as KAAG has fallen into there . I will leave it on Drip for now.
VOTE: Drip

Anytime "If I were to do this...," especially as a defense, it inherently brings up WIFOM. "If X were to happen, I would do Y!"
'''BUT if Z were to happen, I'd do A!"

Hypotheticals is the precursor to WIFOM.

[KuroiXHF]

I think you screwed up the quote...

But Yume and Ilikebugs are likely going to be replaced, so I'm letting that happen.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town: SomethingSomething
Lean Town: Aristophanes, Slandaar
Null/Excluded from reads: Ilikebugs, Yume, Firebringer, KickAssandGiggle
Lean Scum: Killthestory, Rachmarie, Drippinggoofball
Strong Scum: Performer

I fully admit one of my biggest issues this game is I have more scum reads than town.

[KuroiXHF]

I understand. You think I'm voting the wrong person.

If you're town, you think I'm voting the wrong person.

If you're scum, you'd tell me that I'm voting the wrong person.

[KuroiXHF]

And for your attempts to look town. It sounds so fake to me.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod - V/LA from tonight to Monday night.

[KuroiXHF]

Wow. Well, you just logically proved me wrong.

[KuroiXHF]

You acting like scum isn't enough? Do I have to catch you in a lie or something?

[KuroiXHF]

You acting like scum isn't enough? Do I have to catch you in a lie or something?

[KuroiXHF]

You acting like scum isn't enough? Do I have to catch you in a lie or something?

[KuroiXHF]

No. Performer
. Btw, I hate these double and triple posts

[KuroiXHF]

Performer is town.

Will reread some things later.

You say that with certainty.. How certain are you?

[KuroiXHF]

DrippingGoofball, do you think that you are convincing any of us when you're demanding her head on a pike? If anything, you're doing the opposite.

[KuroiXHF]

If KTS' theory on me being Aristophanes' scum buddy is true, I must have a lot of balls.

[KuroiXHF]

no my theory is that aris is your scum buddy bc youre already p much proven scum to me.

I'm glad to see your keyboard is fixed, but you're scummy enough as it is - although you getting your hands dirty does seem to be the towniest thing you've done all game.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't have much to add other than Aristophanes is alive because he's an easy mislynch other than him being scum.

[KuroiXHF]

It was time to replace them a month ago.

[KuroiXHF]

This game is really going nowhere, to the point where even I'm tempted to vote someone.

And yes, maybe Yume, since I doubt I can get Goofball lynched.

[KuroiXHF]

In KTS' world, me saying, "I'm town" is a scumclaim to him.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Kuroi
I feel better about this than about Ari.
Some of his posts (like 2322) show basically a scum mindset (DGB has been quite towny so he's just fishing around for a lynch people will support that's not him) and I'm also getting feelings of butthurt that remind me of caught for the wrong reason (he seems way more upset and defensive about a little pressure than he should be).

LOL. I'm sorry. How am I butthurt?

[KuroiXHF]

That's quite a long list you've compiled. Too bad neither of them indicates butt hurt, just either a point out of a break in logic or a disagreement. All you've shown me was your perception.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm glad you're online, Slandaar. What do you think of my wagon? Want to add yourself to that wagon?

[KuroiXHF]

You're completely missing the idea that they could both be townies.

I think I'm going back to my first great push since replacing into this game.

VOTE: Killthestory

[KuroiXHF]

I dislike everything about that player

I don't know why you're making this personal.

[KuroiXHF]

Also, yeah. I was willing to lynch someone possibly without regard to alignment. It would tell us a lot about a couple of players, especially Goofball. It would also get the game going because the game is comatose.

You should at least thank me for putting a shock and putting it into rhythm, albeit a weak one.

[KuroiXHF]

Also, yeah. I was willing to lynch someone possibly without regard to alignment. It would tell us a lot about a couple of players, especially Goofball. It would also get the game going because the game is comatose.

You should at least thank me for putting a shock and putting it into rhythm, albeit a weak one.

lol this is scum.

you dont just lynch someone for associatives. you find scum, then find associatives when the person's dead.

Yes, in ideal conditions. This game wasn't moving though. If I can't find scum, I'll hope to catch scum and use it to tell me about someone else.

[KuroiXHF]

In hopes he was scum. I don't know if he's scum or not. I never said I knew he was town.

Do

you know

he's town?

[KuroiXHF]

Also, yeah. I was willing to lynch someone possibly without regard to alignment. It would tell us a lot about a couple of players, especially Goofball. It would also get the game going because the game is comatose.

You should at least thank me for putting a shock and putting it into rhythm, albeit a weak one.

Are you trying to defend the fact that you want to do something obviously scummy? Why would you lynch someone without regards to alignment? It's D4, you must have at least one scum read.

I do have scum reads. Others had scum reads. We all explained ours and yet, the game was in stagnation. I want the game to move forward and I weighed the options. Still, I moved forward.

Do you think ilovebugs and Yume will be replaced?

Soon?

Ever?

[KuroiXHF]

Ugh, it was a shame. I was town reading you, SS.

[KuroiXHF]

Firebringer, hope you're still here. Thoughts on my wagon?

[KuroiXHF]

Even though I suggested to vote inactive people to move the game forward?

[KuroiXHF]

@Kuroi

You say to vote for inactive folk, does that mean you would support DGB's death tunnel wagon on the non existent slot of Yume?

I don't support it.
I don't support voting anyone other than scum.
But I support moving the game forward and if voting for someone I'm not certain is scum leads us to finding scum, then I'll do it.

I want the game to move forward, and it's not.
And waiting to find players to be replaced is not happening, then we're fighting against the clock with no-lynches but with scum killing someone during the day.

So we could kill an inactive and destroy the non-replaceable slot or we give a free kill to scum.

See my process here? The process that's bringing me to L-closetolynch?

[KuroiXHF]

Killthestory is very AtE-sy, so I got distracted.

VOTE: Yume

Although I still do want to vote KTS.

And I'd rather the vig kill someone they think is scum. At the end of the day, vig, if you want to kill me, do it.

[KuroiXHF]

Why Yume over ilikebugs?

ilikebugs has been inactive longer. Neither of them posted much to read them from. It feels like people are giving bugs a pass because he claimed VT early, but if it's that easy, scum would do it every game! And then people are suspicious of Yume because she has posted elsewhere while flaking here, but if that's such an obvious tell, why the hell would scum do it?

Voting either makes zero sense to me. Lynching anyone until we have replacements makes zero sense (and, yes, I am voting Aristo but I wouldn't want the lynch until the replaces). On a site that has a replace system, all this talk of lynching/vigging inactives makes me suspicious of those asking for it. DGB was tunneling Yume before she flaked, but the rest of the "why not Yume?" mob just look like they want an easy target.

As I've said before, killing Yume would tell us information about DrippingGoofball. Killing Ilikebugs tells us... nothing.
If Yume is town, it tells us Goofball is likely scum.
If Yume is scum, Goofball is more likely to be town.

[KuroiXHF]

If Yume is town, it tells us Goofball is likely scum.
If Yume is scum, Goofball is more likely to be town.

That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad LOL

No. This brings about a good question.
Are you willing to risk the noose that Yume is scum?

[KuroiXHF]

...i kind of feel like unvoting now. I feel like Goofball is a lyncher.

[KuroiXHF]

Lyachting me this game would seem to put me out of my missry.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay, I didn't want to do this, but...

Gladiate: Something Smart.

Let's just do this.

[KuroiXHF]

It's not serious, and I have no good reason why I did it.

I honestly have a hard time getting back into the game.

[KuroiXHF]

And if I'm town? It wouldn't do anything about me?

And I had no reason for doing it. The closest thing I have to a reason is, "Why not?"

[KuroiXHF]

Looking for an updated vote count?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm not even fighting for Yume. I'm fighting for the game moving forward. A vote count will help me move forward in trying to move forward with a lynch.

[KuroiXHF]

prods the mod

Vote
Count
Please.

[KuroiXHF]

Yeah, help me lynch Killthestory.

I'll help you.

VOTE: KTS

[KuroiXHF]

Why have you been following along since Day Four? If you were looking to join the game, why did you only choose to join now?

[KuroiXHF]

Why have you been following along since Day Four? If you were looking to join the game, why did you only choose to join now?

I don't see how this is relevant.

Anyway, I was following along because I wanted to replace into the game due to the month-old outstanding replacement request, but I also didn't want to replace into a game that was 80+ pages. I checked in once in a while (hence "a bit") and then decided a bad replacement was better than no replacement at all. I'm surprised that Axl_Rose didn't just modkill Yume's slot, but that turned out to be for the best.

Worst case scenario: I troll everybunny.

It's relevant because I'm not sure I trust you. You just came in and I tend to have a habit to town read new people, but I don't town read you at all.

[KuroiXHF]

"Why have you been following along since Day Four?" - This question is asking me about my state of mind before I knew Yume's alignment. Therefore, the answer to this question is not alignment-indicative.

You saying that you've been following since Day Four happened after you came in, meaning that you could have lied. Basically, I wanted to see how you would respond. Same with the following.

"If you were looking to join the game, why did you only choose to join now?" - This question is also asking me about my state of mind before I knew Yume's alignment. Therefore, the answer to this question is not alignment-indicative.

Thinking about the reason you gave above, then it sounds like you asked because you figured that I was reluctant to join because I was reading Yume as alignment X. Am I correct?

No.

If that was the reason, then the questions still do not make sense, not least because I joined regardless and Yume had not posted in the interim and the most anyone ever said of Yume was "Let's kill the inactive slot for the sake of the game." Still not indicative of Yume's alignment, especially if this is multiball.

This is not multiball. Only one scum. Only one SK. I'm pretty confident in that.

[KuroiXHF]

Thanks, KTS. I sincerely mean that. This game is actually moving again.

[KuroiXHF]

Welcome! Hebichan, do you like bugs?

[KuroiXHF]

Mod, FYI. L/VA for my wedding. I'll be back Tuesday. I may post intermittently.

[KuroiXHF]

See, I would have compromised on DrippingGoofball.

[KuroiXHF]

I think we all should throw up a list of players we would be OK lynching.

Me:
KTS
DrippingGoofball
Performer
MAYBE Rach.

[KuroiXHF]

@Rach: Kuroi's posting today shows fairly blatant scum motivation. Hopping around wagons trying to find one that will stick (and not even trying to lie about doing so) and just a general sense of posting to stay afloat without trying to solve the game.

I just got to a computer today. My weekend was something I can do with a mobile post. I can't quite to do this on mobile.

BTW, I'm a VT.