Nahdia's Mini Normal Review

[Nahdia]

i made a typo in the mafia role PM's because i added the encryptor late.

also p aware it's scumsided rn but not sure if the solution is switching the Motion Detector to a more powerful role or adding another town PR or both.

[Nahdia]

Thank you both for the quick feedback!

myko kind of saw what the idea behind the setup was; the faux-IC in the form of the dayvig and the doctor forcing scum to work around it. I understand the idea behind not wanting a dayvig. in the right hands a dayvig is really powerful role because it essentially acts as a doublelynch on d1. but more often than not someone just hipfires. What if I switched it to a standard 1-shot vigilante but made it an Innocent Child as well? are hybrid roles like that acceptable in Normal? I'm looking at the guidelines and it doesn't really say anything as far as I can see. maybe this is bad idea, just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. maybe adding IC to that is completely unnecessary.

Liking the idea of switching the Motion Detector for a Follower. A bit of clarification since I've never actually seen the role in play; possible results would be "Blocking", "Protective", "Jailkeeping", "Miscellaneous", "Killing", "Investigative", and "No Result"?

[Nahdia]

quick changelog so far.

Roles

Changing Motion Detector to Follower

Role PM's

Spoiler: Mafia Neapolitan (just a typo fix)

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].

You are a

mafia neapolitan

. Your partners are [ENCYPTOR NAME], a

mafia encryptor

, and [ROLEBLOCKER NAME], a

mafia roleblocker

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic during the Night phase. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
Each night, you may target a player to find out if they are vanilla townie or not. Results come in the form of "Vanilla Townie", "Not Vanilla Townie", and "No Result".
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Mafia Roleblocker (just a typo fix)

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

mafia roleblocker

. Your partners are [NEAPOLITAN NAME], a

mafia neapolitan

, and [ENCRYPTOR NAME], a

mafia encryptor

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic during the Night phase. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
Each night, you may target a player and stop them from performing any night actions.
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor (just a typo fix)

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

mafia encyptor

. Your partners are [ROLEBLOCKER NAME], a

mafia roleblocker

, and [NEAPOLITAN NAME], a

mafia neopolitan

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic Night phase. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
As long as you are alive, mafia members may make use of their Private Topic during the Day Phase in addition to the Night Phase.
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Town Follower

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

town follower

.
Each night, you may choose one player to check. You will be informed what type of action, if any, they performed that night. Possible results are "No Action", "Blocking", "Protective", "Jailkeeping", "Miscellaneous", "Killing", "Investigative", and "No Result".
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Rules

Rules & Mechanics

I reserve the right to modify these rules at any time. I will inform you if this happens during the course of the game.

Spoiler: The Usual

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All site rules apply here.

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No ciphers, encryption, extremely small text, or other similar tactics.

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No quoting any private mod communication, including your role PM, or contents of private topics. You can paraphrase.

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If you have the ability to edit, please refrain from doing so.

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Do not discuss this game outside game related threads while it is ongoing. This includes contacting players of the game via Private Messaging or other outside communication.

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When dealing with infractions or other problems, I will always seek the solution that is least invasive to the game state. That said, infractions may result in anything from a warning to your slot being force replaced or you being modkilled, depending on the severity and nature of the offense.

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No angle shooting. Play in the spirit of the game. I shouldn't need to clarify this further.

Spoiler: My Rules

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My color is

#FF6FF2

. Don't use it, or any similar shade really.

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I am fairly lenient and prefer not to intervene when things get heated in-game. There are however lines which should not be crossed. If you're not sure you would be allowed to say something, err on the side of caution.

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Questions for me may be made either via PM or in the thread. If you ask a question in thread, please ensure you bold your question and begin with it with the tag "@mod" so I am more likely to notice it.

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Please do not use provable randomness (such as the dice tag) in thread. You may SAY you used randomization, but not prove it.

Spoiler: Inactivity and V/LA (Vacation/Limited Access) Guidelines

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I prod after 48 hours of inactivity and begin seeking replacement after another 24 hours.

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If you receive three prods, I will immediately begin seeking replacement.

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Please inform me

directly via PM

of any V/LA. If you don't do this, I'm not responsible if I didn't notice you're on V/LA and prod you during it.

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If you have regular V/LA periods (such as being unavailable on weekends) please inform me pregame and I will take this into account.

Spoiler: Setup & Mechanical Rules

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This setup was reviewed for normalcy and balance by callforjudgement, Cogito Ergo Sum, and mykonian.

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There are

9 town

and

3 mafia

aligned players.

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Day phases will be two weeks long. Night phases will be 48 hours long.

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Extensions will be granted rarely, only to accommodate for replacements.

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Lynches are based on majority. As soon as a majority of alive players votes for a single slot, they will immediately be lynched and the game will progress to the night phase.

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If no majority is achieved by the end of a day phase, the vote will default to no lynch.

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By default, scum only possess night chat.

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By default, scum players may use their role abilities and their factional kill on the same night.

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This game uses Natural Action Resolution.

Spoiler: Sample Role PM

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

vanilla townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

A few restructuring things. Took called's suggestions for more detail for newer players into account. Added a couple things I realized I forgot but wanted to include.

yeah, that ic/vig role could work. It'd also be your one slot for roles that aren't strictly normal but have normal mechanics. And it might make cfj slightly less grumpy

And I'm not sure what the result of a follower would be on a JK, but otherwise, yes, that's accurate.

yeah I'm not sure I just included "Jailkeeping" because it's listed as it's own type in Natural Action Resolution. if there's some better ruling I'll change that. Won't be directly relevant except for being complete in the role PM though, since no jailkeeper in this setup.

[Nahdia]

I think I ought to just take out the roleblocker. gives scum a bit too much counterplay.

Roles

Changing 1-shot Dayvig Revealer to Innocent Child 1-Shot Vigilante
Changing Mafia Roleblocker to Mafia Goon

Role PM's

Spoiler: Mafia Neapolitan (to reflect new team)

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].

You are a

mafia neapolitan

. Your partners are [ENCYPTOR NAME], a

mafia encryptor

, and [GOON NAME], a

mafia goon

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic during the Night phase. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
Each night, you may target a player to find out if they are vanilla townie or not. Results come in the form of "Vanilla Townie", "Not Vanilla Townie", and "No Result".
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

mafia goon

. Your partners are [NEAPOLITAN NAME], a

mafia neapolitan

, and [ENCRYPTOR NAME], a

mafia encryptor

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic during the Night phase. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor (to reflect new team)

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

mafia encyptor

. Your partners are [GOON NAME], a

mafia goon

, and [NEAPOLITAN NAME], a

mafia neopolitan

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic Night phase. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
As long as you are alive, mafia members may make use of their Private Topic during the Day Phase in addition to the Night Phase.
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Town Innocent Child 1-Shot Vigilante

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

town innocent child 1-shot vigilante

.
You will be confirmed as town by the moderator at the start of the game.
Once per game, you may choose a player at night to kill.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Town Follower (added Role vs Action investigative results)

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

town follower

.
Each night, you may choose one player to check. You will be informed what type of action, if any, they performed that night. Possible results are "No Action", "Blocking", "Protective", "Jailkeeping", "Miscellaneous", "Killing", "Role Investigative", "Action Investigative", and "No Result".
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

thoughts? for now I have the Innocent Child modconfirmed at the start of the game, but I might change that to being a player-triggered action depending on your thoughts.

[Nahdia]

if it still seems scumsided I might add like, a backup to the follower? though that has the unintended consequence of confirming the follower. I could make it an investigative backup maybe but that would make it too swingy if the Neapolitan gets lynched early. maybe a Voyeur.

[Nahdia]

i could also beef up the vig and make it non-con instead of 1-shot.

[Nahdia]

personally i like scum having way to hunt for the PRs without just using their wits and claim trolling. especially if I make the vig non-con, they need hunt the doctor reliably or they're liable to get rolled. so I favor keeping the Neapolitan over the Roleblocker. ofc it's possible the vig just ends up with bad reads and kills a bunch of town but i want scum to have a way to retaliate if the IC is good.

[Nahdia]

at least 1-shot. making it non-con is just an idea to give town more power if you still feel the setup is scumsided in it's current state.

[Nahdia]

its* grammar is hard.

[Nahdia]

after thinking about it a bit more I think I like the idea of making the vig non-con so it can potentially be a factor late game as well.

Role PM

Spoiler: Town Innocent Child 1-Shot Vigilante

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].

You are a

town innocent child non-consecutive night vigilante

.
You will be confirmed as town by the moderator at the start of the game.
Each night, you may target a player to kill them. You may not use this in consecutive night phases.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

so rn the setup is

Innocent Child Non-Consecutive Night Vigilante
Doctor
Follower
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Neapolitan
Encryptor
Goon

thoughts as of right now?

[Nahdia]

(forgot to change name in spoiler tag but the role PM is right)

[Nahdia]

that's a good point, it puts a lot of power in the hands of one player. If I moved it back to a 1-shot vig, is there anything else you might add to balance the scales?

[Nahdia]

the only things that get positives on the gunsmith would be the IC and the mafia, correct? Follower would not?

[Nahdia]

aight. so it's essentially a guilty the scum can try to counterclaim out of. follower will probably speculate there can't be 3 investigative though. i can dig it.

myko, thoughts?

[Nahdia]

try to claim cop or something out of*

[Nahdia]

ok so

Role PM

Spoiler: 1-Shot Gunsmith

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].

You are a

1-shot gunsmith

.
Once per game, you may target a player at night to be told if they carry a gun. Possible results are "Wields Gun", "Does Not Wield Gun", and "No Result".
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

i'm gonna switch some wording in the Neapolitan PM just so it's consistent with the other investigative roles. Instead of "Results come in the form of" it'll say "Possible results are".

setup is

Innocent Child 1-Shot Vigilante
Doctor
Follower
1-Shot Gunsmith
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Neapolitan
Encryptor
Goon

only other tweak I'm considering is switching the Encryptor for a Goon and giving mafia permanent daychat.

[Nahdia]

I think I'll switch to default daychat. Don't much like limiting scum's bussing options. I'm traveling atm but once I'm home tonight I'll update the rules and role PMs.

[Nahdia]

Role PM Updates

Spoiler: Mafia Neapolitan

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].

You are a

mafia neapolitan

. Your partners are [GOON #1], a

mafia goon

, and [GOON #2], a

mafia goon

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic during the Day and Night phases. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
Each night, you may target a player to find out if they are vanilla townie or not. Possible results are "Vanilla Townie", "Not Vanilla Townie", and "No Result".
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

mafia goon

. Your partners are [NEAPOLITAN NAME], a

mafia neapolitan

, and [GOON], a

mafia goon

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic during the Day and Night phases. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
Each night, you may target a player and stop them from performing any night actions.
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Rules

Rules & Mechanics

I reserve the right to modify these rules at any time. I will inform you if this happens during the course of the game.

Spoiler: The Usual

>

All site rules apply here.

>

No ciphers, encryption, extremely small text, or other similar tactics.

>

No quoting any private mod communication, including your role PM, or contents of private topics. You can paraphrase.

>

If you have the ability to edit, please refrain from doing so.

>

Do not discuss this game outside game related threads while it is ongoing. This includes contacting players of the game via Private Messaging or other outside communication.

>

When dealing with infractions or other problems, I will always seek the solution that is least invasive to the game state. That said, infractions may result in anything from a warning to your slot being force replaced or you being modkilled, depending on the severity and nature of the offense.

>

No angle shooting. Play in the spirit of the game. I shouldn't need to clarify this further.

Spoiler: My Rules

>

My color is

#FF6FF2

. Don't use it, or any similar shade really.

>

I am fairly lenient and prefer not to intervene when things get heated in-game. There are however lines which should not be crossed. If you're not sure you would be allowed to say something, err on the side of caution.

>

Questions for me may be made either via PM or in the thread. If you ask a question in thread, please ensure you bold your question and begin with it with the tag "@mod" so I am more likely to notice it.

>

Please do not use provable randomness (such as the dice tag) in thread. You may SAY you used randomization, but not prove it.

Spoiler: Inactivity and V/LA (Vacation/Limited Access) Guidelines

>

I prod after 48 hours of inactivity and begin seeking replacement after another 24 hours.

>

If you receive three prods, I will immediately begin seeking replacement.

>

Please inform me

directly via PM

of any V/LA. If you don't do this, I'm not responsible if I didn't notice you're on V/LA and prod you during it.

>

If you have regular V/LA periods (such as being unavailable on weekends) please inform me pregame and I will take this into account.

Spoiler: Setup & Mechanical Rules

>

This setup was reviewed for normalcy and balance by callforjudgement, Cogito Ergo Sum, and mykonian.

>

There are

9 town

and

3 mafia

aligned players.

>

Day phases will be two weeks long. Night phases will be 48 hours long.

>

Extensions will be granted rarely, only to accommodate for replacements.

>

Lynches are based on majority. As soon as a majority of alive players votes for a single slot, they will immediately be lynched and the game will progress to the night phase.

>

If no majority is achieved by the end of a day phase, the vote will default to no lynch.

>

By default, scum possess both day and night chat.

>

By default, scum players may use their role abilities and their factional kill on the same night.

>

This game uses Natural Action Resolution.

Spoiler: Sample Role PM

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

vanilla townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one member of the town remains standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

Roles List

Innocent Child 1-Shot Vigilante
Doctor
Follower
1-Shot Gunsmith
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Neapolitan
Goon
Goon

any final notes?

[Nahdia]

whoops copied the wrong role PM on the goon

Role PM Update

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome to Mini [NUMBER], [PLAYER NAME].
You are a

mafia goon

. Your partners are [NEAPOLITAN NAME], a

mafia neapolitan

, and [GOON], a

mafia goon

.
You and your partners may talk in your Private Topic during the Day and Night phases. Your team also possess a factional kill which any of you may perform each night.
You win when all non-mafia players are eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same, and at least one member of the mafia is still standing.
The game thread is here.

Please confirm by responding to this PM with your alignment and role.

[Nahdia]

Assuming the IC Vigilante's role PM is that in post #10

yup

Thanks for all the help ^_^

[Nahdia]

Honestly, seeing this run, I feel like I shoulda kept the roleblocker in or something. Scum feel a bit underpowered? Ah well.

[Nahdia]

Yeah, but if the follower hadn't been lynched Day 1 then this mighta been kind of hard to play around for scum is my worry. Not sure if the doctor claiming will get them in trouble, what with all the speculation of a mafia doc. That'll be interesting to see.

[Nahdia]

Hmm, fair enough. I guess maybe I'm overestimating the average town when thinking about what's balanced. Appreciate your input.

Oh and as long as I'm posting in this thread; here's the Mod PT, you should all have access. Don't click it yet if you don't wanna be spoiled, just linking it here so you can find it easily in case I get kidnapped or something and you need to wrap the game up.