Questioning: What should be the best approach regarding this

[kuribo]

Follow up on your questions, don't just ask them and move on.

Show the town that you're asking for a good reason.

[kuribo]

Also, reaction testing is stupid unless you know what you're doing. Otherwise, you're going to look like scum trying to explain shitty behavior with "lol reaction test."

How do you know if you know what you're doing though?

The answer is: if you're considering a reaction test, you already don't know what you're doing.

[kuribo]

Even if you think you know in advance the reaction you're looking for, chances are you're wrong. Scum and town both respond in atypical ways based on personality.

For example, reaction testing a player who then gets emotional and calls you names... You then say lolol over reacting scum. But if that player is me, for example, you're just dragging the game though 70 pages of arguing.

[kuribo]

The problem isn't that we don't understand it


The problem is we understand it waaaaaay too well after watching it go wrong time and time and time again

[kuribo]

As I say, reaction tests begin with an assumption: "town wouldn't do this," or "only scum would do this." But that's your opinion of what other people would or wouldn't do. Every player does things differently. How you react to a "test" as town, I'd react differently. So then you push AHA HE MUST BE SCUM LOOK AT THIS REACTION. But then you're wrong because you've made an incorrect assumption of how town would react--- or how I would react as town. So either you mislynch me (not likely) or I push back pointing out how easily scum can hide behind "reaction tests" to get away with scummy behavior. And you get lynched. And then you flip town and rage in the dead PT how I must be scum and how am I getting away with that shit... And then I flip town too and we call each other shitty players: me for reacting in a way you didn't expect, and you for basing your reads on a dumbass reaction test.

This sort of thing happens all the time. This is why reaction tests are fucking stupid.

[kuribo]

lucky I guess?

In a nutshell, yes.

[kuribo]

i mean, i really really REALLY don't want to bring up camn's apartment because I was in that game for like two hours before ragequitting

but that's a pretty good example of the kind of bullshit that passes for reaction test

including up to AFTER MY SLOT DIED, the guy that did it saying "how did that slot flip town?!"

yeah, there's a reason my slot died before yours, stick your reaction tests where the sun don't shine, bub.

[kuribo]

Well, unfortunately, 99.99999% of the players on the site don't have your skill at reaction testing, and so my original assessment stands.

[kuribo]

I mean, none of this is personally directed at you. You're not the only person who does "reaction tests," and for that matter not the only person that claims to be good at them.

Even if you're perfect--- and I'll take your word that you are--- everyone else isn't.

[kuribo]

That's not what anyone is talking about when they say reaction tests. It refers to avert specific (and stupid) type of "gambit" where you say or do something so you can try to "set a trap" or whatever.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7813951

For example

[kuribo]

I don't think she's talking about reaction testing in the same way it's used on the site

It seems she's talking about gauging people's reactions

[kuribo]

I think she's talking about engaging people and seeing how they respond, I should say.

Which is how town should play, obviously.

But when you or I or anyone else talk about reaction testing, we mean bullshit like what I linked.