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[Creature]

How many have confirmed?

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VOTE: Riddleton

L-1

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Wait

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You don't understand, I accidentally hammered you.

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I thought I hammered.

[Creature]

Did you misread my ranger vote as a riddletone vote?

I think I did.

[Creature]

but am concerned about someone voting me without realising I am at L-1.

Like when I thought I was the fourth vote on you and that the majority was 5 votes.

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I am thinking scum is between Ranger, Not_Mafia and Desmond_13

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Yes, I am gut+emotion(+slightmeta) town reading you, Riddle and Trans. And my gut-emotion reads are pretty accurate.

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I was imagining how would Riddle react if I really accidentally hammered him and he flipped scum.

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VOTE: Ranger

L-2

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Because I am not town reading you?

[Creature]

Ranger

Let me see, you're not going to be in the PoE.

[Creature]

Because I am not town reading you?

No, because you're posting reasonless content, engaging in meaningless conversations, and basically, empty posting.

If you're thinking I don't do that as town, then you don't know my meta.

Get out.

[Creature]

Creature's post 6 of that game was RVS.
Creature's first post in this game was 7, not RVS, just fluff.

The game hasn't even started when I posted 7 -_-

Creature's second post in that game was 18. Maybe-serious, maybe-not, but either way, good content.
Creature's second post in this game was 34: a naked vote, nothing more.

I don't use trust tells, therefore my RVS votes are NAI.

Creature's third post in that game was 56, asking for clarification.
Creature's third post in this game was 35.

Post 56 was me pointing a mod error.

Creature's fourth post in that game was 66: solid, actual, real analysis.
Creature's fourth post here was 40: no actual commentary.

Oh no, I should've calculated my posts.

Creature's fifth post there was 93: actual commentary and analysis.
Creature's fifth post here was 43.

43 is somewhat a commentary.

And Creature's sixth post? 44, nothing.

Answer to Raskol

49, still nothing.

Another reason to state when it's L-1 to avoid accidental hammers.

The first hint of anything? 50, but no reasoning attached, in contrast to Creature of that game.
The first hint of reasoning? 54, in which the reasoning given is...gut.

Not only gut, but also emotion and a slight meta.

56 is nothing.

Why should I only make contentful posts?

57 is an empty vote.

Empty? I already stated I think the scum is between you, Not_Mafia and Desmond_13. Why shouldn't I push?

[Creature]

I spectated Newbie 1790, 1797 and 1704.

[Creature]

Townblock: Raskolnikov, Riddleton, Transcend

I don't feel like adding Ranger to this block.

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Btw, one of us should say who the seer and the cop should investigate at the end of the day.

[Creature]

Agree with 3/4 of 97 (sans Rask).

Townblock:

Raskolnikov,

Riddleton, Transcend

I don't feel like adding Ranger to this block.

Null/town- Riddleton, Ranger

Why you think Riddle should go on the townblock but not Ranger?

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I still feel safe with Raskol and Transcend at the townblock.

[Creature]

Creature, opinions on S_S plz?

Not really sure, I didn't like his entrance at all with his case(?) at Raskolnikov. Though, I am now curious on Riddleton.

[Creature]

Transcend

Do you think Ranger/S_S could be attacking the townblock because they're afraid of being PoE'd?

[Creature]

I think Ranger had her reads before the bloc and I'm doubting my SR on her a teensy weensy bit. I just don't like the way she gets her reads. But I really like her tone this game.

That's possible as she also made a townbloc herself.

Although, S_S clearly noticed the townblock and disagreed with 1/2 of it, so it remains a possibility for him.

I really don't think the bloc has much to do with anything tbh. I was never super committed to it.[/quote]
Well, if we're confident enough to list 3 players as strong town, we can already use some sort of PoE. Though, there's still going to be someone paranoid, scum trying to break the townblock (using paranoia as excuse) and at MyLo/LyLo there's a chance this townblock will die. Still worth a try.

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I think Ranger had her reads before the bloc and I'm doubting my SR on her a teensy weensy bit. I just don't like the way she gets her reads. But I really like her tone this game.

That's possible as she also made a townbloc herself.

Although, S_S clearly noticed the townblock and disagreed with 1/2 of it, so it remains a possibility for him.

I really don't think the bloc has much to do with anything tbh. I was never super committed to it.

Well, if we're confident enough to list 3 players as strong town, we can already use some sort of PoE. Though, there's still going to be someone paranoid, scum trying to break the townblock (using paranoia as excuse) and at MyLo/LyLo there's a chance this townblock will die. Still worth a try.

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I'd be happy if we could agree on a townblock of 3.

[Creature]

Just wondering, why we shouldn't tell who the cop and the seer should investigate?

[Creature]

What's my townblock idea:

Player A
Player B
Player C
Player D
Player E
Player F
Player G

Make a townblock of 3 making sure nobody disagrees:
Player B
Player D
Player G

Leaving 4 players:
Player A
Player C
Player E
Player F

Then we lynch the scummiest from these players (or someone who's not going to influence the game so much). We vote who's the towniest and scummiest (besides the lynchee) from these players and the cop and the seer should:
Investigate the towniest if the lynchee flips town.
Investigate the scummiest if the lynchee flips scum.

Something like:
Player E < Investigate if C flips town
Player F
Player A < Investigate if C flips scum
Player C < Lynch

And then next day the cop and the seer claim their results.

[Creature]

If they're town the scum have the option of killing them and nullifying all investigations.

Then guess what, we don't need to massclaim.

[Creature]

I think everybody agrees on Transcend and Riddleton at least, right?

[Creature]

Should we say who we feel safe putting at the townblock?

I am safe putting Transcend, Riddle and Raskol in my townblock.

[Creature]

I am feeling pretty confident on Raskol, Riddle and Trans as town.

S_S is looking very town, not enough to make me feel safe to put him at the townblock, but still very town.

Leaving Ranger and Not_Mafia.

Ranger meta-reading me very early and leaning on it for the rest of the day is a huge red flag.

Not_Mafia is based on PoE (and maybe his enigmatic posts).

[Creature]

I wouldn't disconsider the possibility of bussing there, specially when your partner is pretty much going to be lynched.

[Creature]

If we get a scumflip today, we don't need to tell who the cop/seer should check at least.

However, if we get a townflip today, I am afraid the cop/seer will check different players and get Not_Mafia/Werewolf on both, thus resulting on no confirmed result at all.

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Ranger meta-reading me very early and leaning on it for the rest of the day is a huge red flag.

Wait a minute it's not a red flag that her meta read is wrong? Just that she keeps falling back on it?

Her early meta read sucked and likely came from scum. Though, Ranger leaning on her meta read too much is even worse.

[Creature]

What exactly sucked about it?

She used post number comparation as her meta argument, which I believe she would know that's stupid.

I don't think Ranger sticking hard to her early game reads is super alignment indicative, so I don't see that part of the read as much.

I am not sure if she leans on confbias, but for me scum reading someone with the same read from early game looks scummy.

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And, from that can we agree for the Cop/Seer to check the same person to have a clear? How would Rask be as an investigation target?

We don't need to say who the cop/seer should investigate if Not_Mafia flips scum, but if he flips town, we'll have to do it.

[Creature]

Townblocks need everyone agreeing they're safe with the townblock, not just a townlean on them if they feel they can still be potentially scum.

[Creature]

It's quite awkward scum will say they're unsafe with the townblock we make unless one of them is on it. I think we should take a closer look when there's only 1-2 unsafe with someone on the townblock.

Let's say who we're safe with.

I am safe with Transcend/Raskolnikov/Riddleton townblock.

[Creature]

Well, if we get scumflip we're good, but what if we don't?

[Creature]

I agree with that.

Anyone disagree?

[Creature]

Well, I am still town reading Raskolnikov, Riddleton, Something_Smart and Transcend, maybe I should look again.

[Creature]

Anyone played with Raskolnikov here?

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I still doubt Transcend and Raskolnikov are scum.

Transcend's refusal to follow the townblock idea looks town (why wouldn't he watch town poe themselves while he just sits?).

Raskolnikov's posts look very genuine to be scum.

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I thought you spectated my newbie game?

Just a portion of it.

[Creature]

Lynch order (from less to most favorable):
Not_Mafia
Transcend
Raskolnikov
Riddleton
Something_Smart
Ranger

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Not_Mafia shouldn't be counterclaimed, not today.

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I don't know, I am town reading him, but I am town reading others mostly.

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*more

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I feel like there should have a scum between Riddle and S_S, why wouldn't scum want to attack someone who's extremely lynchable and passive to their accusers?

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We need a scumflip today.

Ranger is my best bet.

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I know for sure at least one of my town reads is wrong.

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If Ranger is scum, I think she most likely added her partner at her townblock, unless she felt she could trust her PR hunting.

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Why can't we have scum think Not_Mafia is fakeclaiming as town?

[Creature]

Riddle's interactions with Ranger:
I see him disagreeing with Ranger's meta read on me (which could be a small distancing to make it like they have different opinions), but town reading her anyway (which could be a way to not have to bus her that early).

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S_S's interactions with Ranger:
Looks like he's not strongly town reading Ranger to put her on his townblock (which could be someway to prevent himself and Ranger from being accused for mutually defending each other).

Him asking to the investigatives investigate Ranger could mean he knows Not_Mafia will flip town and was aware there was a townblock of 3 nearly formed, so he wanted the cop/seer waste their investigation on Ranger who's not going to make it, instead of confirming a town and making a townblock of 4, leading to a PoE.

[Creature]

Why can't we have scum think Not_Mafia is fakeclaiming as town?

Do people do this in known setups?
I've only seen it in >13p games with unknown roles.

Some players are that crazy, and I believe Not_Mafia could be one of them.

[Creature]

I don't think Riddle and S_S are scum together.

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Ranger's interactions:
She interacted more with Riddle rather than S_S. I don't see her saying anything about S_S.
I am feeling Ranger is making soft-accusations on Riddle as a distancing attempt (like 172), even though she agrees on Riddle being on the townblock.

[Creature]

I guess a problem with that is that if NM is real and we mislynch today, then a scum can claim cop tomorrow and get NM mislynched for the win

This is why we need a scumflip today.

[Creature]

Let's use self-judgement.

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imo Riddle should be investigated if Ranger flips town.

[Creature]

but I feel like Riddle will give us the most info.

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or maybe Raskolnikov.

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I think it's a good idea to investigate in the town block in case one of our collective townreads happens to be horribly wrong.

The point of the 3-players townblock is to get someone out of it investigated and form a 4-players townblock, then PoEing the rest.

[Creature]

If Ranger flips town, then one of you and Riddle must be scum, so I don't feel safe putting him on my townblock anymore.

[Creature]

Enough to not consider him a lynch candidate until 3P LyLo (or if something happens).

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This doesn't mean we should lynch someone who's likely flipping town to avoid paranoia.

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I feel like there should have a scum between Riddle and S_S, why wouldn't scum want to attack someone who's extremely lynchable and passive to their accusers?

[Creature]

I'm confirmed town

For today.

[Creature]

Would like to hear opinions on who should be investigated if Ranger flips town.

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UNVOTE: Ranger

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lmao

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Ranger and Raskolnikov are town.

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Remember when I said that the cop shouldn't counterclaim N_M?

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Hope I don't regret my 180 on Ranger and Transcend.

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Well, I am fine with us being hesitant to talk, but Ranger and Transcend should talk today.

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Okay, now it's time to wait for counterclaims.

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idk, I want to hear what everyone thinks.

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I didn't want a counterclaim yesterday because I wanted at least one result.

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Guess you're right, it's hard to buy N_M's claim after he claimed cop rather than seer on D1, I could've buyed if he claimed "cop/seer"

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Also, I hardly see you as scum.

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Nah, we're lynching N_M anyway.

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If Rask claimed VT, would you vote N_M over him (even if Ranger doesn't say whether she counterclaims or not)?

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Guess what, I am not the mafia/wolf.

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I first want to see what Ranger has to say.

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Ranger must be online soon

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Sadly that's true

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I think

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I think we should starting preparing our rithual to summon Ranger

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Well, at least I am sure this won't be a mislynch.

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At least the seer didn't have to claim

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lol

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Well, I was town.

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Transcend and Raskolnikov have been here and they didn't claim victory, so unless they're trolling me...

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Not wolf on Ranger then.

(question this tomorrow)

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Tic Tac Tic Tac Tic Tac

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Thank god this ended

I almost regretted town reading Ranger.