Newbie 1720: Arctic Mafia - Game over!

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Apricity

[Dunnstral]

LOL boring is town by the way or the master tactician newbie

[Dunnstral]

Lol...Lazy too, but to a lesser extent than Boring. I think they're both town.

Nope. I hold doubt in my mind that it's possible that lazy was faking it, but not boring

I think it's changed though. Mafia Scum should be 1000 posts now, and not 5000.

It is, 5000 is Jack of all trades

Dunn, what's with the naked vote?

It says mafia scum under your name

[Dunnstral]

As Drixx said I also think it's way too naive to give town reads after a mere few posts...

Why do you think that?

I think early reads are just fine, provided you're willing to change them

It's good to be able to be fluid with your reads early on but it should all make sense

[Dunnstral]

I think goon is 100 posts, let's all goon it up this game

Speaking of posts I'm going to be trying to post less than I usually do as I don't want to run anyone away just with sheer quantity of posts (which happens....) and I feel like this is going to be a slower paced game (for me) anyways

[Dunnstral]

Er we're not off to a great start here in terms of activity

Ish, can you take a look at my post 34?

[Dunnstral]

You're being paranoid and/or trying to discredit early townreads

[Dunnstral]

Don't have to. We're three pages in, townreads are weird by default.

I disagree

[Dunnstral]

Thought this was supposed to be a newbie game

[Dunnstral]

As in we have like 4 se's and an ic

[Dunnstral]

Is Hayato the one who was against the early townreads on Boring and Lazy?

Whoever said that is suspicious

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Aragorn The Ranger

All of your posts seems to be skirting around the discussion adn you're not taking any stances (and seem overly defensive of your rvs vote)

UNVOTE: Apricity since RVS seems to be drawing to a close.

Probably not a good move to make - unvoting doesn't help us and not choosing a new person to vote doesn't help us, also it probably makes you look bad when you unvote like that after rvs in games

[Dunnstral]

I just want to affirm that I like my vote on Aragorn, I'll have more stuff tomorrow

[Dunnstral]

To toss some thought out. I like the push on aragon. What happen to your suspicion on me, Dunnstral?

Other people are more suspicious, while you're not very suspicious

[Dunnstral]

I think i explained why when I voted them? My opinion since then has not changed

[Dunnstral]

Yo chill guys why is Hayato even in hammer range

Nobody really commented on Aragorn and they haven't really shaped up and I think they're mafia

[Dunnstral]

A case befitting the content aragorn has provided

[Dunnstral]

I think goon is 100 posts, let's all goon it up this game

Speaking of posts I'm going to be trying to post less than I usually do as I don't want to run anyone away just with sheer quantity of posts (which happens....) and I feel like this is going to be a slower paced game (for me) anyways

Opening the door to be lurky.

Thought this was supposed to be a newbie game

This could be scum worried about having the odds against him due to the number of experienced players in the game.

VOTE: Aragorn The Ranger

All of your posts seems to be skirting around the discussion adn you're not taking any stances (and seem overly defensive of your rvs vote)

This case is downright fallacious. Aragorn wasn't overly defensive of his rvs vote by any stretch of the imagination.

UNVOTE: Apricity since RVS seems to be drawing to a close.

Probably not a good move to make - unvoting doesn't help us and not choosing a new person to vote doesn't help us, also it probably makes you look bad when you unvote like that after rvs in games

Instead of being curious about or pushing boring for what could well have been a scummy move, he instead advises her. I think he wasn't suspicious because he already knew she had a town role pm.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I'm not suspicious of Boring because I believed her to be genuine and my reads are good. Notably I did mention lazy wasn't as genuine and could lean either why

Lurk stuff is maybe, but lurking is absolutely not my style regardless (this game is slow and I've been phone posting due to computer issues)

Also your point on me being afraid of experienced players is downright silly, I'm not a newbie and I didn't queue to pick on newbies

[Dunnstral]

I got ignored

[Dunnstral]

And the point you missed, marginal as it may be, does appear to be House's strongest point against you. The fact that you didn't give any response to it, therefore, isn't really a point in your favour.

So, now that I've pointed it out specifically, do you have a defense against this argument to make?

It's wrong though, and that could be verified if you had checked Aragorn's iso for yourself

[Dunnstral]

if I were at L-1 early in a game, I'd be extremely pissed.

I won't be mad

Just disappointed

[Dunnstral]

Your position is clear. But I disagree with it. I understand, those kinds of scum read *might* discourage other new players or Town-boring from asking further question, but I hardly feel that it is my responsibility, because I'm doing here what I'm supposed to be doing, which is scum-hunt and help lynch the best possible candidate. It's not like I intend to discourage them from asking...

A better solution would be for *them* not to feel discourage and again, they shouldn't. Because, if I instead hid my suspicion, then I'll look weird suspecting boring without being able to explain it. This will potentially make me look like scum. Are you still going to encourage this?

You are

really

not helping your case here. A lynch vote that

directly

quotes asking a newbie question as reason to lynch is

going

to be intimidating, whether intentionally or not. And simply saying "they shouldn't feel discouraged" when you do something discouraging is just making me more and more inclined to reinstate my policy lynch.

I do think Dunnstral is more likely to be mafia than you are. But the margin is very slight, and I can very easily see myself reinstating my policy lynch on you if Dunnstral is able to offer a half-decent defense to House's detailed read.

Furthermore CCC, I don't see boring or anyone else effected by this "discouragement" right now, albeit boring did claimed she was intimidated, but not anymore. So your policy lynch stance seems to have overstayed it's welcome and starting to look a bit scummy to me.

Do you honestly still see everyone(minus boring) as the same Null right now?

My current rankings for the players, from most to least scummy:

Dunnstral
House
hayatoBL
Apricity=Skrub=Drixx



boring

You will notice that Aragorn the Ranger is not on the list; that's because he's posted so little that I can't read even a flicker of anything off him (I'm choosing to assume that it means his computer has been trampled by an angry rhinoceros, and waiting to try to get a read on his replacement before I rank him). The distance between Dunnstral and Apracity/Skrub/Drixx is marginal; anyone in that top section could be mafia (though I very much doubt that Dunnstral and House are

both

mafia). The big gap before boring is, however, a major gap; I would be

very

surprised if Boring turned out to be mafia.

OK, why am I the most scummy? And why can't I be mafia with House

[Dunnstral]

I asked you to take a look for yourself

[Dunnstral]

Aragorn, is there a reason you placed your RVS on Boring?

No particular reason whatsoever. Its called RVS for a reason.

VOTE: Aragorn The Ranger

All of your posts seems to be skirting around the discussion adn you're not taking any stances (and seem overly defensive of your rvs vote)

Yes, I'll admit my earlier posts weren't related to the game but I don't think you'll see that now.
It seems we have a minor misunderstanding about me being overly defensive about my RVS. I can assure you that it was no such thing. It was just an honest answer. Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to read all posts and the posts I read in the little time I had weren't enough to make a reasonable guess on someone. Having said that, I'll try my best to read the posts so that the game isn't spoiled due to inactivity.

This.

By the way they're set to be replaced, so of course this train of thought doesn't account for much other than me still wanting to vote this slot

[Dunnstral]

You can also see the activity overview in the bottom right by the page numbers, and you can go to iso's from there by clicking on their post number

[Dunnstral]

I did answer his case though, all the truth

[Dunnstral]

?

Why are you assuming that I'm going to be lynched today?

[Dunnstral]

You're the scummiest person in the game at this point.

If that's true, then you should be able to build a better case against me than the case you built against Dunnstral.

???

Lol, that's not what you were saying about the case earlier

[Dunnstral]

As for Dunstrall, I would like the case resolve. Please defend yourself. Although I will admit, I don't feel like moving your way no matter how weak your defense would be. But who knows? But 'not explaining at all' will *definitely* get you a vote from me. Do explain.

House's stuff? I've answered that man

[Dunnstral]

I still think aragorn is mafia

[Dunnstral]

CCC is one vote from being lynched, and Drixx is saying he's ready to lynch them, CCC should claim his role in his next post

[Dunnstral]

Anyways I'd appreciate if CCC didn't get hammered after all, as I am of the belief that they are town, and I can explain why

[Dunnstral]

I just think they're town that got tunneled on.

But aside from that, take note that with intent to hammer, CCC is still pushing on me. I am not voting for him.

This is not how I would expect town to react, quite frankly I'd expect them to go after their attackers, but CCC is going after me in the belief that I am mafia

I also believe that boring is town

[Dunnstral]

Explain the bolded, please.

It's d1. How are your reads "good"?

I meant in general.

2) Are you insinuating experienced players join the newbie queue to pick on newbies?

No.

1) So, how experienced are you?

Aside from epicmafia, my experience with forum mafia = my join date

[Dunnstral]

Now, it just looks like you're not voting for him order to garner towncred.

Untrue. I do not intend for CCC to get lynched, and explained why they're town. I didn't negate anything. How long should I wait to reveal this information...? There's intent to hammer on him, and they've claimed

[Dunnstral]

If you think I am mafia who is trying to stay off the wagon to gain town cred when he flips, why are you still voting CCC?

[Dunnstral]

Why do you think I think you're mafia?

Now, it just looks like you're not voting for him order to garner towncred.

[Dunnstral]

So why the passive-aggressive remark about not joining the newbie queue to pick on newbies?

I don't really remember, and it doesn't really matter? Perhaps you should have asked when it happened, and not 3 days/100 posts later when it doesn't matter

In general, how are your reads good?

[Dunnstral]

Why do you equate appearances with opinion?

And what is your opinion, on CCC and on me?

[Dunnstral]

Why do you equate appearances with opinion?

Frankly this seems like a cop-out of something you had implied

[Dunnstral]

Yes, scum will totally team up in such a blatant manner.

Gee golly, why didn't I ever think of that????

Newbie mistakes perhaps.
Well, then that leaves us with the other option.

In what world is a member with 9k posts a newbie?

Why did you make this passive-aggressive remark?

[Dunnstral]

Why do you equate appearances with opinion?

Frankly this seems like a cop-out of something you had implied

Why do you feel it's necessary to imply suspicion after being asked a few questions?

Because you were trying to dodge the implications of you implying you thought CCC was town, yet actively voting them?

[Dunnstral]

Why do you assume a question is a passive aggressive remark?

Why did you assume mine was?

Also, you haven't answered the question, you've only provided another question

[Dunnstral]

Why are you interested in my read of CCC, but uninterested in Drixx popping in out of nowhere with intent to hammer?

Things aren't always as they appear.

[Dunnstral]

Because I don't believe that Drixx ever intended to hammer, and was instead reaction testing

Plus, I presented my case on why I think CCC is town and there has been discussion. If Drixx comes in anyway and just hammers anyway; then we've got a problem

[Dunnstral]

The thing is, your case sucks.

No it doesn't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Dunnstral]

Encouraging me to claim my role after Drixx's intent to hammer may have been an attempt at rolefishing as well.

It's not though

[Dunnstral]

The reason to move your vote is the way he reacted in that same post where he claimed - he wouldn't have been focused on me in parts like that if he were mafia

[Dunnstral]

Now you're twisting my words. I didn't say anything about fabrication or pretending. I said a member of the town would try to find scum up until they died. You're clearly not doing that.

He was, though

[Dunnstral]

I want to see what Drixx was doing before anyone hammers.

[Dunnstral]

He's at L-1. Don't vote him.

[Dunnstral]

So now I have to deal with both Wake and House in this game?

[Dunnstral]

I am of the belief that CCC is a fine member of the town

[Dunnstral]

Well, I've got a read on him

[Dunnstral]

Sure; They replaced into aragorn's slot.

He was mafia

[Dunnstral]

This again

[Dunnstral]

Still waiting on drixx.

[Dunnstral]

I'll probably gloat even if I'm wrong in post-game

[Dunnstral]

One reason it's so hard to break out of this tunnel is because you're doing absolutely nothing to advance the game.

VOTE: House

[Dunnstral]

One reason it's so hard to break out of this tunnel is because you're doing absolutely nothing to advance the game.

VOTE: House

Yeah. Clearly I'm scum for being concerned about my scumspect not trying to exonerate himself.

Your a fucking genius

You're misrepresenting him hard, he's provided tons of content to advance the game.

[Dunnstral]

The other three players voting him aren't doing anything

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Drixx

[Dunnstral]

I was expecting a way better reaction after having his vote on CCC for no reason for ~3 days, pretty sure he's just mafia

[Dunnstral]

Your calculations don't matter, actually

[Dunnstral]

CCC is one vote from being lynched, and Drixx is saying he's ready to lynch them, CCC should claim his role in his next post

Why are you interested in my read of CCC, but uninterested in Drixx popping in out of nowhere with intent to hammer?

Things aren't always as they appear.

House: my brain hurts. I see nothing in the catch up I just did that makes me feel any better about Triple-C

How is there not enough time?

He came back after intent to hammer and said he still wanted it. That was the reaction. Also it was after like 3 days

[Dunnstral]

I wasn't talking about his reaction to my vote

[Dunnstral]

To 200 posts of content?

To me saying CCC is town?

Why is he still taking a passive stance where he approves of a CCC lynch

[Dunnstral]

The way he's reacting under pressure makes me think he's town. Starting from when he kept up on pushing me when I hadn't been voting him, to now where his back-and-forth doesn't read as mafia struggling to me

[Dunnstral]

That's fair, but he didn't try to reconsider CCC's alignment and just said he thought he was suspicious still

Doesn't mean I don't want to vote him

[Dunnstral]

Drixx, please take a look at 260

[Dunnstral]

@ Drixx, I have a question. I'm not sure if it's a technical issue, or what, and I hope I'm not messing the game up by asking this, but I'm seeing role designations displayed between our screen names and our avatars.

Doesn't that kind of ruin things? Or are these newbie games supposed to display them as part of a tutorial? It just seems too easy.

Also, I thought there were only going to be a total of 2 mafia, and it seems like 3 people have the "Mafia Scum" label.