Micro 622: Queen Mafia GAME OVER

[Fire Assassin]

Did you see the pizza TellTaleHeart brought?
It did not look good at all.

Next time bring a New York pizza:
VOTE: TellTaleHeart

Also that is for giving me scum against RC and Titus >.> (even though I was a sub)

[Fire Assassin]

May I ask why you picked the user name "IProbablysuck"

[Fire Assassin]

I don't know how sucking = cool. But alright, maybe funny?
I mean if anyone says you suck you can always say 'yeah, thats my name'
But still....

W/e please vote TellTaleHeart

[Fire Assassin]

Fire Assassin, are you a hydra?

Hydras are not allowed in normals my friend.

[Fire Assassin]

I meant an alt.

Yes

[Fire Assassin]

I actually am getting scum vibes of Aristophanes too....

[Fire Assassin]

I find it interesting that you are more worried about it than I am, IPS.

This doesn't seem like a town post from Ari. This seems like he is trying to start putting pressure on someone because he has pressure. He acted very relaxed to pressure on him but that's not alignment indicative for him.

[Fire Assassin]

What do you make of that?

[Fire Assassin]

Is that what he is doing?

[Fire Assassin]

I don't know, but this isn't an opener I expect out of him.
You continuing to pressure the question might suggest you actually want my thoughts though, which I like.

It could be wanting to subtle push a player and not applying any actual pressure, like "hey look at this". When someone questions you can just say "I was only pointing it out, not that I thought it was scummy"

Kind of fence sitting, but I don't know about this early.

That early posts by ari are just giving me bad vibes. They aren't normal to me in the sense the way he interacts with players. He doesn't question players that much in this kind of fashion. He kind of goes "whatever", but in this he seems maybe a bit defensive too.

[Fire Assassin]

duppin whats your thoughts on Elsye?

[Fire Assassin]

I really didn't like Elyse posts cause they seemed lazy excuses for the posts, but given this reaction by Bullet. I am now thinking its more town, which is by associations, which I hate.

Meh, not enough right now for reading Elyse probably.
Gun to head probably lazyish town.

Bullet thoughts on duppin?

[Fire Assassin]

Town leaning a bit on Iprobablysuck.
BNP feeling meh on.

Need more though, especially from Aristophanes who I have highest suspicion on right now.

[Fire Assassin]

Vote him

For the record, I didn't vote him because I didn't think his post 28 was all that scummy, instead I wanted to push things along and see if people followed up with what I was doing in a way I didn't like.

I like the things Fire Assassin is saying, but he's trying a little bit hard and TTH said the most important things first. Why did you feel compelled to say you "need more"? It's 3 pages into the game, obviously everyone needs more.

I am going to start massively rolling my eyes at any time someone says I am trying too hard.
its like nobody knows how I intend to play this....

I was compelled to say that because i want to hear more from them in general? Getting an idea of their thoughts might help me understand their thought process and whats going through their mind? I feel like that is the most stereotypical answer I can give you but I also feel like your question is such a time waster. The only reason I am answering it is because I don't want to just post stuff like "Why are you asking stupid questions?"

[Fire Assassin]

What important things did TTH say exactly? Am I missing something in these three pages, TTH has basically done nothing memorable...

[Fire Assassin]

You must have memory loss, old man. You obviously read my post.

I am getting to old to kill all the scum, one day i will select an heir to be the Ras Al Ghul. But today is not that day.
Why you so relaxed in your tone TTH? Do you worry about my skills at reading you (even with your calm demeanor its too calm.....)

[Fire Assassin]

''I feel Aristophanes is scum because he tried to throw shade on IPS and then defended him after I told him to vote IPS, so I agree with Fire and Duppin'' (or whatever else you have to say on the matter)

Basically give your opinions on the case, explain WHY you agree with it, and add anything else you might want to add.

Just saying ''I agree'' doesn't help anyone. Saying WHY you agree at least adds to discussion.

Saying "I agree" accomplishes the same thing because there was never any question as to what I was talking about but ok.

Postie's read on FA seems very genuine. He's going against the grain and there are multiple avenues for him to take if he were scum going for a lynch. I don't see him going for FA out of everyone.

Not really following you here. What do you mean?

Hard to explain. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum would do right now. Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon. It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.

Don't care to go into heavy duties here but this is a scum post.
VOTE: Elyse

If you must ask, I may respond to why. I think it kind of is obvious why.

[Fire Assassin]

I would like to hear your reasoning, Fire, even if you think it's obvious.

Ill let a few more people react to it before I explain it.
Lets just say not liking Elyse or Aristophanes.

[Fire Assassin]

I'm guessing FA is going to say I'm scum with Aris for saying that FA is looked upon favorably for the Aris wagon which is stupid since I obviously meant that he's at the forefront of the Aris push. He looks good for scumhunting and stuff. And I'm also scumreading Aris, so if you incorrectly interpreted it as me saying he'll look good because Aris is flipping scum, that's in line with my reads.

If it's something else then idk lol.

Its word choices and tone.
First off lets show case it:

. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum

would do right now.

This rings of awareness of what scum is likely to do in a certain scenario and words "right now" bring attention that they could act in this way, but aren't doing it yet.

Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon.

Hyper awareness of the situation. Scum are usually the most aware players of scenarios.

It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.

Timing is key in this section. The idea is that they are aware of what will and won't look good for scum to do in certain scenarios at certain moments in time. Elyse is looking at the game in the perspective as a scum player. They are not looking at it from the perspective of it in the terms they are town and how scum would act, but what they would personally do. This is what I am seeing.

[Fire Assassin]

Actually I'll admit the post is rather interesting.

I really didn't like Elyse posts cause they seemed lazy excuses for the posts, but given this reaction by Bullet. I am now thinking its more town, which is by associations, which I hate.

Could you explain this Fire? I'm not entirely I understand what you're saying.

It was a crappy association read and now I am ignoring it.
I am not feeling the best bullet right now, and him townreading me without explaining it, is mildly annoying.

Then he does a "Ranger' read list which further cements annoyance.

[Fire Assassin]

Its reads ordered in the "Town" at the top and each level is where they reside such as duppin is leaning town and middle would be "Null" and the bottom is scum.

They are a terrible way to organize thoughts.

[Fire Assassin]

Wow this is so bad.
Fire, please exlpain in detail why paying attention to the game is scummy.

I didn't say paying attention to the game was scummy? I was saying that Elyse perspective was more from a scum perspective in terms of awareness level and what would look good or bad for those alignments at the moment in time. It seemed not from a town perspective in that they weren't saying the actions were scummy or not, they just said it would look

bad

meaning could look scummy to town players.

[Fire Assassin]

@TTH

Postie couldn't really justify the wagon. She had a hard time explaining her read. That's part of the reason why it struck me as so town. The purpose of the FA switch wasn't to distract from current wagons or start a quick counter wagon because, at least from my PoV, her vote isn't something anyone will follow.

You have too much awareness of the player base actions in a scenario.
VOTE: Elsye

[Fire Assassin]

Are you just asking questions to seem engaged in this game?
Serious question.

I gave through reasoning for my read on Elyse.
You are just trying to seem busy.

[Fire Assassin]

I agree bullet sheeping me is really awful.

My case is some of the worst on this site huh? I guess it should go in the "Worst Case" thread.
I was saying you approaching the game from a scum perspective and its easy to lamenate on stuff like "Ohh this isn't what scum would do" because you wouldn't do it yourself. I as town look at players and see what their motivations and where there head is.

[Fire Assassin]

For example what is your motivation in telling me I have the worst case ever on you?
Trying to get me to change my mind? Discredit? It doesn't seem to be point out flaws.

What is motivation in me to "frabricate" a case like this on you? I tend to think a town player would either see sincerity in attempts to sort players and just throw me off as misguided town, but you take the fence position.

I might be conf biasing my read here, but I really want you lynched more now.

[Fire Assassin]

If it weren't for

Bullet's sheep I would be scumreading you, but I think he could be trying to take advantage of you and pass the blame should I ever flip.

What does Bullets sheep have to do with me?

I really don't like your wording choice here cause it implies you are making shit up. And by making shit up, I mean don't believe a word you actually say.

[Fire Assassin]

Why doesn't it cross your mind we are scum together?
Why are you doing preflip associations like this?

[Fire Assassin]

Theres actually a reason BNL might be just weird in general, so its kind of a reason I don't want to lynch him today at all.
Elsye, why wouldn't scum tag team together based on the reasoning nobody would suspect them? You are using a preflip associaiton when you should be looking at players motivations, then analyzing each individually.

Unlesss you can do good preflip associations, they are usually not good in my experience.

[Fire Assassin]

Nice post. I give it 10/10 stars.
Want to go into your read on aristophanes anymore? He hasn't posted in awhile, but this game is kind of dead so lets make busy talk!

see this is me making busy talk

[Fire Assassin]

my logic is infallible.

[Fire Assassin]

But what associations? It sounded to me like you thought Elyse was suddenly town because Bullet pushed on her. I assumed that meant you thought that Bullet was scum, but that doesn't really line up your follow up posts.

Yes, I am not liking bullet so my read on elsye was predicated on that and I said it was bad, and since scrapped.

Or well you called him "meh", but you didn't push or vote on him after, which I thought was rather odd since you seemed to imply he was scum (and that Elyse was town for thar reason), unless I misunderstood your post in which case I'd like you to explain exactly what you meant.

I have very good reasons not to push Bullet.

[Fire Assassin]

Wow nice catch. Fire did the same thing as me but only I'm scum for it.

Perhaps we are both scum for it.

[Fire Assassin]

Why is postie now scum for you?

[Fire Assassin]

This is my problem with you bullet, its like you don't read my posts of saying you both me with your approach to this game.
You simply say I am town, and try to talk about other people while clearly avoiding engagement with me.

It rings of someone trying to subtle buddy a player but not actually work with a townread.
So, why not actually, I Don't know. Talk to me?

[Fire Assassin]

The urge to vote BNL just so he responds to me in a way that doesn't seem like he is talking to someone not there.
Its testing me.

[Fire Assassin]

If my townread holds up I'll explain it at a later date. If say what he's doing right now that's making me townread him then that's an invitation for scum!Fire to keep faking said behaviour.

This sounds like something Radiant would say.
But given you stating your opinion on your read on TTH and your explanation of why it changed it seemed townie. I can actually see why you kind of thought me and BNL are scumbuddies, me and BNL have an odd relationship right now.

What you thinking on Elyse right now?

[Fire Assassin]

@Mod going to be V/LA till 6th, need break from mafia.

[Fire Assassin]

I don't have much to say but my gut says something to the contrary Postie, but I also have different read on Elyse still.

[Fire Assassin]

TTH you scumreading Ari?

[Fire Assassin]

Now I'd like to hear why that's even a question for you because the only thing you've done with me this game is give me these weird potshots.

How was that question a potshot? I do agree, that question was bad and I am feeling very lazy as of late and that isn't what I am tryign to do with this account. It just a general thing going on with this being hard to get into.

My reads right now are that you are town, so I don't know what your point about potshots is really coming from?

Reads-
Town:
You, Postie, duppin
Null:
guilty lion, BulletNlynchproof, wingback
Scum:
Aristophanes, Elyse

[Fire Assassin]

Why are you scumreading me again?

Previous points, and I thought your defense was like "ohh you are such a hypocrite" and you came to believe I was a VI, which tends to be what a scum would do in that situation I think. It might be more confirmation bias on my part, but I think your reaction you thought you were being scumread for bs reasons, even though you have scum role pm.

[Fire Assassin]

Ok so nothing?

Gotcha.

You know the longer you hold onto the terrible scumread on me, the worse you look. I thought you were just offended that I called your case terrible (which it was) but you should be over it by now. :/

I don't believe my previous case was nothing, and I don't even know how if my read was based on little or nothing it would be a "Gotcha". You are on odd on to think in this line of thoughts.

[Fire Assassin]

Hey guys, wanna wagon BNL? You both have him as null/scum, right?

VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

I have already said that BNL I wouldn't support his lynch today.
Now can you explain beyond wagon speed why aristo is a mislynch?
It seems a weird read, you explained away things as NAI so what exactly makes it a town mislynch if only thing is the speed?

[Fire Assassin]

TTH you want to talk with me because I have been taking "potshots" at you?

[Fire Assassin]

@TTH So are we not going to discuss anything or you just going to quote posts?
I tend to agree with my post 60 as most of your posts were not memorable even if I did quote you, your presence has been generally lacking, not to make that sound dismissive, that just what I have been seeing.

I am always interested in your opinions though since I consider you a quality player.

[Fire Assassin]

Sure. But I'm town.

I don't know about that

I was townreading you

But not anymore

I think the scumteam is within this group of four:

Aris, FA, Postie, NBL

But then again the Wingback slot is a mystery so idk

Okay your scum team is in a group of four players, when their is nine players total in the game. You have just slightly below 50% of the player base in your group of possible scum.

I really think that is horrible on every level.

[Fire Assassin]

That is actually likely from town though Elyse, so maybe I am wrong.

[Fire Assassin]

I am always interested in your opinions though since I consider you a quality player.

Seriously?

I am sorry, am I flattering you too much?

[Fire Assassin]

You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.

FA jumped up on my scum list.

How am I backtracking on my read?

[Fire Assassin]

You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.

FA jumped up on my scum list.

How am I backtracking on my read?

"Wow Elyse is terrible for narrowing her scum pool to 4" (lol @ that and you not responding to it) "but that probably makes her town"

You're saying that something I did is bad and then saying I'm probably not scum for it. That's backtracking.

Okay? I think what you mean to say is that I am adjusting my reads based on new information, but alright, I am "backtracking"

What do you think of conversation between Postie and TTH right now?

[Fire Assassin]

lol are you just trying to emulate RC's scumgame

It just soudns like RC in tone and style, I don't think its exclusive to scum or town. This just sounds like RC posting.

[Fire Assassin]

I am not lynching postie today, Id prefer a aristophanes wagon much more:
VOTE: Aristophanes

[Fire Assassin]

@Fire Assassin
Stop ignoring me. I've asked you multiple times and bolded it. Why did you say that narrowing down the scumpool was something "horrible"?

The way it was narrowed down had a majority of players in it, and the way it was organized seemed like it could be lining up lynches.

I almost wanted to ignore this post again btw, don't know what made me decide to answer it, I guess my morning is pretty bright.

[Fire Assassin]

aristophanes wagon

Whyyyyy

I don't agree with your analysis on it, and to be honest I think your reasons for townreading me and others are very weak and not very alignment indicative. For example "Scum!Fire would not be snarky here" isn't really a good reason, as I can be snarky at any point as either alignment I believe.

[Fire Assassin]

Ooh I hate this post. And every time duppin says "to be honest" or "honestly" I wince.

Well to be honest I honestly don't care.

Why do you hate the post though?

I honestly think this wins the post award for the game.

[Fire Assassin]

FA is a scumread of mine. After I badgered him about his shitty scumread on me, he blew up something that I did as "horrible" (even though it wasn't) just so he could say "actually that was so bad that it means Elyse is town :/". It fits into his narrative of being pissed at me but also allows him to get rid of his godawful read he's been sticky with since the beginning.

I think we have different perspectives of what is scummy and town, which is pretty apparent. I don't believe I said I was pissed at you, but your thought process does annoy me. For instance this "blew up something that I did" it just fits into your own narrative, which is funny because you say I have a narrative to apparently change my read on you for, what reasons?

[Fire Assassin]

Because I called you out on your shitty read and you couldn't back it up. It made you look bad so you said my narrowing down the scum pool was "so horrible it's town" when it wasn't horrible at all.

Why would it matter what if you called me out on my "shitty" read?

Listen, you are being ridiculously bad, here is why:
If I am scum and I am pressuring you, why would it matter your reaction to it be? I can chalk it all down to w/e I want and I could 'change' my read too, but none of it has to really do with YOU said. Get me? This is because scum do things in order for themselves to look better and push mislynches. If the person they push calls them out on a "bad" read, it doesn't matter so long as everyone else doesn't call them scum for their "bad" read.

scum at some point are going to call a town player scum, and the town player is going to call their read bad. So when you continue on saying "I called out your terribad read" you make it sound like scum only do stuff in reaction to 1 player, which isn't the case.

Scum take the perspective of the whole field. Not just a single player. So in essence if I was scum I could continue calling you scum and say that my read is right and then attempt to discredit you, because you are just 1 PLAYER. You misalign the aspects of what scum attempt to do in games vs your own bubble.

[Fire Assassin]

My point is that your case was so bad that if you actually pursued it, people would take notice and give you heat for it. Hence the back off

Yeah, I don't think thats the case.
I am pretty sure if I was scum I would continue pushing it, but I have no clue. Ill ask my scumself if I ever in similar situation again to inform me what I would actually do.

[Fire Assassin]

I won't say I am as confident about postie flipping town as I once was, some of her posts seemed very RC-esque which I think she was doing to maybe manipulate people better, but she could also do that as town too.

If she is town, I am likely going to push her reads though.

[Fire Assassin]

Well I know who I am lynching tomorrow.
Sorry postie, I am going to have to ask why you decided to replicate RC posts in this game.
It was really striking me as odd, even though everything else seemed town from you.

[Fire Assassin]

I think its GL and Ari perhaps.
I am not seeing TTH as much tbh. duppin either.

I think GL/Ari and game is done.

[Fire Assassin]

The fact that GL didn't call out Aristo for his awful hammer feels pretty bad too.

That and I think he had more thoughts on the fact if you flipping town than if you flipped scum, even though he has been adamant about you flipping scum this whole day. I understand a town player would act in a way that "I could be wrong" but his act seems to have dropped into "Pretty much conf town" with little "ohh yeah, she is scum".

I don't know how to describe it, but he is way more prepared for a town flip than scum flip. Which says much more to me.

[Fire Assassin]

I don't understand people and reading a player as town and extremely defending a player is now anti town.

[Fire Assassin]

anyway I think BNL/FA/Wingback would be most likely Ari partners, but we'll discuss tomorrow! FA's twilight posting has been terrible

I am 100% lynching you.