Mini 1812 | Quolls | Endgame

[Vedith]

VOTE: ASP

Tempted with the Jester vote, but I feel there's scum on that wagon.

[Vedith]

Good thanks, yourself?
Nice to see you still on here!

[Vedith]

Content to hammer!

[Vedith]

@Rob - Why did you not RVS?

[Vedith]

I'm actually okay with this after a Vedith ISO.

You are okay with him voting me. However, your vote remains on him instead of me?
That was a clear throw away comment to make yourself look more involved.

[Vedith]

Why hasn't he asked why I'm voting him ?

I don't care why

In fact he hasn't even addressed me directly ..

You are a waste of space

If he thinks I'm scum he would be voting me, which he isn't.

I think ASP is scum. Can you only have 1 scum a time?

So he think I'm town or he simply thinks its NAI, but from his PoV the latter doesn't seem plausible.

Bless... No one thinks you're town. *Pats you on your head*

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[Vedith]

Welp, I was just going through the thread

Anything catch your attention?

[Vedith]

Quality wagon has been made

Any reason you find this wagon better than ASP's?

[Vedith]

Quality wagon has been made

Any reason you find this wagon better than ASP's?

Because Jester actually looks scummy

I'm not disputing that. However, you said quality wagon has been made. Does this mean you don't see ASP's entrance as scummy? Do you see him as town?
Also, what stands out the most with the Jester?

[Vedith]

Don't get your knickers in a twist scumboy.

Your play is a waste of space.

[Vedith]

how is ASP's entrance bad? It looks fine to me

Because he's voting Shadow Step, then likes where Shadow step is voting.
How does that look fine?

[Vedith]

@Shadow - I'm not looking to ruin day 1 for town so I apologise for talking down to you. You can carry on with your read on me and if needed then question me. Apart from that I'm going to focus where I want and drop this before it gets silly.

Jester is trying to distract imo as much as KTS for me. Jester trying to look too scummy to be scum and KTS I just don't know what to say there. I have entered played kuchen with KTS but what I have seen this just seems extremely over exaggerated (his opening and now following murdercat)

[Vedith]

So essentially what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with you is scum or stupid?

Neat.

Who is this aimed at?

[Vedith]

Who do you think?

I don't really know to be honest.

[Vedith]

@MOD - V/LA until further notice

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[Vedith]

@Mod - V/LA finished, back to normal.

[Vedith]

Well that looks more like the nacho I know. Something still feels a bit off though, I still don't know what he thinks of any other players. Nacho, we hypo day 2+?

I think the nacho votes look ok now.

I don't understand this, can you explain it to me?
You start leaning to Nacho being more like himself (which I can only assume town him in your eyes) then you think the votes on him look okay?
If this is the case, what changed in the 2 posts between these?

[Vedith]

Notes from pages 1-3

-Don't like Shadow Steps RVS vote: Naked vote on a person who has not yet posted.
-Shadow Step follows up with a vote on my predecessor when the RVS wagon starts to build. Wondering why he didn't try starting a wagon instead of his naked vote earlier
-Murdercat taking the lead and votes Raskolnikov: good vote.

I need to go right now. I'll finish up on my catchup a bit later.

Why didn't you have a problem with this vote? Granted it wasn't a naked vote, but there is no real reasoning. Specifically why didn't you have a problem with not voting someone who had already posted? He could have also voted to form a wagon but did not, why didn't you have a problem with that?

VOTE: ASP

Tempted with the Jester vote, but I feel there's scum on that wagon.

Content to hammer!

Plus when the wagon on Robb(now All in) started to form

Vedith said this and didn't jump on that Robb wagon.

There is something really weird going on between these two slots.
I'd prefer a All in lynch now cause that attack on me feels like a chainsaw.

VOTE: All in

My vote was before Robb had any votes and my second comment was in regards to the "L1" post from Jester considering it was L5. This was page 1 with 2 people putting a vote on Robb. You really are scratching the walls here.

[Vedith]

Dude, why would you even address something which isn't asked to you in the first place.
You didn't even allow All In to answer it first.

Because what you are saying about me is completely weak.

[Vedith]

Reading over things, I've come to the decision that i might be wrong about Vedith in terms of him being scum. Rereading his ISO for Open 606 and Micro 547 (I'll link to them later, I'm late for a dinner date ATM) the only major difference I can see in his playstyle is activity, which is decisively in my book not alignment indicative. He was town both of the aforementioned games. For now...

UNVOTE:

May I ask why you specifically took those 2 games to compare to?
They were pretty far down the list of my games. Do you believe that people can't adept to their own meta after that amount of time?
How do you feel I would play if I was scum?

To me, this was a failed wagon so you are now jumping straight off it.

Can you give me thoughts on other players?
What do you think about Jester? Is his play too obvious?

[Vedith]

Inactive is was scum like. Lets get more pushing done.

@Jester - Can you explain the game in your view so far?

[Vedith]

@Vedith any comment on the nacho thing or on the other slots? What is your actual read on shadow?

Shadow I think is actually looking for scum. I don't think he is going into the right directions though.
Nacho I don't see as scum, I've only played a few games with him though so meta side I can't comment but it doesn't seem off, but I don't really see why others are voting him.
Out of the 3 leading wagons, KTS would be the best (Dragon lynch seems forced).

ASP on the other hand... Tries to make a wagon on me, fails and he gives up.
That's a scum tell in my book.

Jester I'm worried about, he's making it obvious that he wants to put no effort into the game. Personally I see this as a double bluff a roo McGee.

KTS is more fluff in game, a bit like Jester but looks a lot more fake and trying to hide it more.

Murdercat I'm not warming up to yet, didn't like the Nacho comment personal.

UNVOTE: ASP
This doesn't change my read on ASP

VOTE: KTS

[Vedith]

God damn, I'm vla and I'm the one being sheeped...

Do you think it's a good wagon?
I would assume so considering your vote is still there.

[Vedith]

don't feel so great about it

when a bunch of people just hop on without a lot of thought...

Yet your vote remains on KTS?

[Vedith]

Also veid's post there looks stirry

In what way?
Don't you think it's a bit odd that he puts his vote on KTS when Nacho/Dragon look stronger as wagons, then when people start voting with him, he says that he likes it even less, but keeps his vote there.

VOTE: KTS

Sheepy and I think his read on me is fake. This is a real wagon that I want to happen.

God damn, I'm vla and I'm the one being sheeped...

This looks like a pre town credit vote imo.

[Vedith]

18 hours to go

UNVOTE: KTS
Intent to hammer

[Vedith]

VOTE: Dragon
That's back to L1.

The Murdercat lynch will not happen in the next 11 hours.
@Dwlee - Is a no lynch better than voting Dragon? Or are you willing to join this wagon?

[Vedith]

Well that was honestly pretty suprising considering how shit day 1 felt. I'll need to reread. Someone figure out why hip died? I don't think he was that strongly town read, did he hint PR? Or was he pushing someone weird?

Or just a case of trying to make Nacho look scummy since he was voting Nacho.

[Vedith]

So what was this idea Nacho had to do today?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Nacho

Let's start here.

Okay, why?

[Vedith]

So you think Nacho would normally night kill 1 person suspecting him?
Do you think that Hiplop was going to have enough of an impact today instead of yetserday to lynch Nacho?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

This is a good place to start

Useful vote.
However, talk to me about the wagon. I think the wagon was ridicules to not have a counter. You were obviously first on the wagon, so did you actually want the lynch on ASP at that point (no so quickly, but in mindset)? Do you think he had scum on his wagon?

The reason I'm asking you this is because you ahve shown concern to the lynch but haven't continued with it.

[Vedith]

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as opposed to a tracker tell I mean

Why do you think that scum didn't think of it as a tracker / PR?

[Vedith]

This response to ASP's case is even more scummy imo

So by this, you think that Bella is scummy, right?
Did you not fancy a vote here for the scummy comment? What's your current view on Bella?

Side note - This is the first game I've been in with Jester that I don't recall his actual involvement.

[Vedith]

Speaking of involvement, I've lynched scum and Murder- who accuses me of "doing nothing"- has only managed to mislynch an inactive townie whilst encouraging a quickhammer with no danger of hitting the deadline. Hypocrisy at its best.

And yes, I'd like to lynch Bella but she doesn't seem to be present atm and I don't wanna see another quicklynch.

Do you think you should be thought of as helpful town for voting there?

Yup still confused.

VOTE: DoTW

I'm a sheep.
Plus the only thing he posted is excuses for inactivity, misreading and fluff (just like me, huh?)

Considering this was your vote. You would have voted any where, right? Keep in mind at this stage Nacho and Dragon were both on L4 (no real risk).

Do you think that Bella should get credit for lynching scum on day 1? Why do you think that she could be quick lynched and KTS won't be? I mean, Bella isn't V/LA or anything, right?

[Vedith]

Oh wait, All in voted KTS, not Jester.
The rest of the comment/question stands, just not the voting part.

[Vedith]

You tell me. What I think is I shouldn't be called useless.

That's fair... So you haven't obviously been useless, but I don't really see an effort from your side.

I could've also unvoted later on which I didn't cause I was confident in that wagon.

You could have, at what stage could you have though? When the lynch looked more secure? Wouldn't that have put pressure on you if you did?
Or did you fuck up trying to distance expecting the lynch to never go ahead?

He has 1 vote as of yet so no I don't think he'll get quicklynched. And Bella hasn't posted in almost 4 full days.

Seriously, go away.

So if he has 1 vote and you don't think it, why will 1 vote on Bella be an issue?

586 What was your issue with this comment?

Why do you want me to go away? Do you feel I should be pushing on this kind of stuff?

[Vedith]

Hey veid, murder: I'm super struggling right now, can you chuck some questions at me to get my head back in this?

What do you think of the ASP wagon - And the fast lynch?
What do you think about Jester avoiding answering questions / thinking you are scummy?
Do you still think that HipLop was killed to frame Nacho (or highly possible)?
Do you think that scum were on A) Dragon wagon - B) ASP wagon.
Who is your top scum read right now?
What's your view on 652?

That should help get into the game.

[Vedith]

Lets not be a quiet town here.

@Dwlee - 651 - Why Nacho or Shadow? Do you think you could be tunneling here?
I still don't think that Nacho would have killed HipLop as scum.

[Vedith]

A Simple Plan (L-0): Shadow_Step, Raskolnikov, Nachomamma8, MURDERCAT, dwlee99, Killthestory <-- LYNCH

This wagon?
Why did you not think it had scum on when you originally voted?
Why not Murder or KTS instead of Nacho or Shadow?

VOTE: asp

This was your vote (Putting him to L1).

[Vedith]

If you hammer with 12 days left and so little content KTS I'll take that as a scum claim and tunnel the fuck out of you.

Shadow - what changed? Do you actually care where you vote?
Why do you want someone at L1 so easily without reason provided. While you're at it, provide it.

I see little effort from most right now, considering its day 3...

So as discussed yesterday, are we doing Nachos idea?

[Vedith]

We have a good wagon vedith, jester can either produce content or eat rope.

So it's a policy lynch?

If people scum read him...
However, why rush?

If this is a PL wagon - Dreadful

[Vedith]

N1 Nacho town
N2 All in town

[Vedith]

If you lynch me, you're all fucking dumb.
Have fun.

Okay, explain why you're town or why someone else (also who) should be lynched.

[Vedith]

So what am I at? L1 or L2?
Either way I might as well claim as lynching me is not a good idea.

I'm an x shot Cop.
I can confirm that I checked Nacho and he is town. This is my reason for not thinking he is scum day 2 and today.
I will not confirm if all in was checked unless I am hammered.

The fact that Dwlee started to push on me after I was questioning for his sudden swap of reads is what concerns me. He thinks that Nacho or Shadow are scum but makes no effort into pushing at them or discussing them.
The fact that he is saying Nacho while Nacho is inactive and him saying Shadow when Shadow seems to be an easy push in every game should be looked into.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Vedith]

As I said, I'm not confirming if I did or didn't unless I am lynched.
Why are you fishing for how many checks I have done?

[Vedith]

I have already confirmed that I checked Nacho. You are looking for me to confirm if I did a second check. Do you see a lot of x Cop shots more than 2/3?
This is so scummy trying to find out if my shots are used or not.
I also have not confirmed that I checked all in Last night... I have said twice I will confirm if lynched so what are you lying?

[Vedith]

If you are a 2 or 3 shot cop and didnt check one of the nights your play is trash lol

Yeah, keep trying to get information...

[Vedith]

When Jester flips scum will you vote Dwlee tomorrow?

[Vedith]

So because you wasn't voting dragon that means you shouldn't be in the pool?
Are fucking serious?!

[Vedith]

Okay, so tell me your view on each of those names.

[Vedith]

If everyone says that they want me to confirm if I do or not then I will.
But until I am dead it stands for nothing and just gives scum the targets.

[Vedith]

The thing that worries me with Bella, is normally I have some sort of thought on her by now. This game I have nothing at all.
Although this could have been because of the quick day 2...

UNVOTE: Dwlee
VOTE: Bella

[Vedith]

So much to have come back to...

[Vedith]

Town don't vote themselves to L1 (even more so from just asking for reads).

UNVOTE: Bella
VOTE: Jester

[Vedith]

Ummm ok this was mostly a pressure wagon but alright I agree with you the vote was scummy.

What pressure are we going to get with him putting to L1?
I doubt he would even claim given that he is refusing to give reads on anyone or even help in the game.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Bella

She's scum.
When I die tonight Nacho and All In can be confirmed as town. If we assume 1 more scum it's KTS, Shadow or Murder.
I don't like Murder for scum though.

[Vedith]

Yes, and Bella was scum.

[Vedith]

So for me it's between KTS and MC.
If Bella is conf scum we can lynch her later.
I think we should be lynching between these 2.

Okay, so today we decide who to lynch from you, KTS and Murder?

I'm going to look through later and see anything in connection with Bella / Dragon and anyone else.

[Vedith]

Wait, hold on...
So what if you are scum with Bella, you push to lynch KTS or murder then push on me for no proof.
Kill Bella, you have 3 confirmed town.
Leave Bella then nothing if scum don't kill me.

[Vedith]

@Nacho, All in - What's your view on KTS, Murder and Shadow if we were to lynch 1 today?
We basically have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum there without the reads. If you believe me, we have 1 shot before LyLo (giving night results).

109 and 123 are Dragon to KTS at the start. Seems odd for me. Like a bit of friendly fluff.
243 - Dragon trying to defuse the situation between me and Shadow.
248 - Calling shadow out, possible distancing but I don't see it strong enough for that.
253 - More fluff / joking
370 - I don't know what this means?
462 - About Shadow tunneling.

Bella

428 - Advising out of PT? Not too sure, seems a little weak for me to say that.
658 - Asking me and Murder, this is a reason why I think Murder is town out of the 3, she would have already spoken to her scum buddy.

That's all I have from their posts concerning the 3.

Shadow calls basically everyone scum or argues with most people apart from Dragon or Bella. Given that they have little to no content, but nothing?!
He calls me scum, he calls Murder scum, he even says that All In is confirmed scum. He then thinks both Nacho and KTS, and then to ASP... It goes on and he doesn't once mention Dragon or Bella until 632 - He's pushing on me and 740 - he's distancing himself from Bella without committing.
777 - He says that we can lynch Bella later.

KTS / Murder I'll look at tomorrow as I'm ill and tired. (Boo hoo, poor me!)

[Vedith]

Why would you cop me btw? I was one of the ppl who were pulling the Dragon wagon the hardest and I wasn't around for the mislynch.

Well, actually you didn't really do a lot to the wagon. You gave a case and said to vote there, I've seen scum do this and a lot more for town credit.
What actually made me check you was you voting Nacho day 2. I believed that Nacho was being pushed as scum for the night kill, and I didn't like the way you did it.
We didn't have much to go on with day 2 given the quick lynch and the only town thing you had was lynching scum, which lets face it, scum do bus more often than not.

Knowing what I know now, the fact that Bella agreed with me on Nacho means that my thought on the HipLop kill was correct, scum wanted to frame Nacho and when I brought it up, aborted it.

[Vedith]

This makes no sense, I got a guilty on Bella.
So either scum have a re direct or a bus driver.

[Vedith]

Why would I be scum cop? That makes no sense.
"Oh look, I got a result on someone who isn't scum" genius!

Also, I find it hard to believe

[Vedith]

Also, I find it hard to believe

Also, I find it hard to believe that you would counter claim my role in Lylo instead of yesterday.

What you are saying here is that scum have a JOAT, a cop and a 3rd with town having a role cop, tracker and doc.

That does not match up.

[Vedith]

Vedith is possibly a role cop with limited shots.
Pretended to have a guilty on Bella to get her lynched .

I didn't pretend, I got a guilty on Bella!
This means they have a re direct or a bus driver! Or something else is going on.
Why is no one paying attention to that?!

[Vedith]

They had no idea who you were going to target

, redirecting you is an arrow in the dark, same with the busdriver.
The easier option was to kill you which the didn't obviously cause you are scum.

Why not? I made my concerns clear on Bella the day before!
Explain why Nacho is saying he thinks there is no more roles, but town have 1 or 0 extra role than scum who have a cop and JOAT.

It makes no sense the only cop to be role cop.

The reason I wasn't killed was because I would be an easy push after Bella flipping town.

Think about it for 1 second.

[Vedith]

Nice try, I meant night 2.

They didn't know I was cop night 2...

[Vedith]

I don't know why I wasn't killed night 3.
What good do I have as scum giving a guilty on town? I would be lynched the very next day!

[Vedith]

It's game over if you do.
Just think about it.

There is a JOAT scum, you are saying scum cop and whatever the 3rd is.
Town have a role cop (apparantly), a Doc and a watcher.

I am telling you now that scum have either a bus driver, or some other sort of role to give me the false read.

This is LyLo, lynching me loses us the game.
So going by that I haven't been quick lynched by scum, KTS and/or Nacho are scum 100%
Since my result on Nacho could also be false (although I don't think so) I don't know what to think.

All we know is that Murder/Shadow cannot be the scum team as both posted together without a fast lynch.

[Vedith]

Framers are non-normal. Redirectors are non-normal. Abnormal sanities are non-normal.
Just for the record.

There's something that caused me to have a guilty on Bella.
Lynching me will win them the game. That's all there is to it.

Your current justification to rushing it is because the other days were rushed?

[Vedith]

if we lose this game to something that gave you a fake guilty, then fine.

I mean, seriously?
Yeah I don't buy that attitude at all. The "I don't care if we lose"...

[Vedith]

when you have an innocent report on me?

I HAD A GUILTY ON BELLA AND SHE WAS TOWN
WHAT DO YOU NOT GET FROM THAT?!

[Vedith]

It's impossible for you to have a guilty on Bella and her be town in a Normal game.
That's why I'm voting you.

It's not though. It happened.
Think about what you are trying to accuse for 2 seconds.
You think I am scum cop with a JOAT + what ever else and town only have tracker, role cop and doc.
Where have you ever seen that in a game like this?

[Vedith]

I respect the fight, but if you can't answer the most basic of questions, then why continue fighting?

Because I don't know the setup, you are asking me to name the scum roles.
Your argument makes no sense at all, because I can't name the scum role that made me get a false read I'm scum 100%?!

[Vedith]

I'm asking you to name a possible role that could have caused this result.
It's a normal game, there are a limited amount of roles.

But I hardly know roles in general, so how am I supposed to know what role will be here?

[Vedith]

I never guessed that you were a cop.

I don't get what you mean.
If you think I'm scum then I am scum cop. How does that make sense?

[Vedith]

There's a list

I still don't get it, I'm not sure how I am supposed to know why I got a guilty.

[Vedith]

I think you are scum. I don't think that you're a scum cop.
It's not like you got rolecopped as a cop or anything.

Of course I'm cop. Otherwise what am I?
Am I a bus driver?
DID I BUS DRIVE MYSELF TO GIVE A FAKE READ?!

[Vedith]

because he claimed one-shot

This is a lie!
I never once claimed 1 shot!

[Vedith]

because he claimed one-shot

This is a lie!
I never once claimed 1 shot!

All my posts indicated that I was a 3 shot!
Go back into my ISO and see for youself.

I can't explain why I got a guilty result, I don't know setups well enough to say that or roles well enough to say that.
I'm not sure what you don't understand with that, Murder.

[Vedith]

Vedith if you are town you will go through that list of normal roles and find a situation that would explain how you got a guilty on a town player. You will do this, if you are town, because if your next group of posts doesn't contain a situation that explains that I'm voting you and we will lose.

I assume it's only the green roles.
If so, I cannot see or work out why.
I have messaged the mod to see if there was an error, but no response. I highly doubt that this is the reason but I'm trying to cover all ways.

I'm not even worried about getting the blame when we lose, I'm worried about loosing for such a bad reason, but I know result I was given and I know that I'm town.

[Vedith]

KTS, I'll read up but it makes sense to me that there scum would come out hard bussing today. And it explains the hiplop kill. And I think you would be the target for a mislynch from Scum's perspective. Vedith who should we lynch today?

KTS or Nacho.
I've already said that you and Shadow cannot be scum together.
I've had you as my town read long enough, and the fact you are actually pushing for a reason why, really tells me town.

KTS could easily be doing a diversion vote where he parks his vote on Nacho until someone else votes me, he's also not had the best game apart from hammering Dragon.
Nacho - Saying that there most likely are no more town roles but yet I'm a scum cop with a JOAT. "CC" at LyLo instead. Says it was too rushed to claim any results, but he was posting enough yesterday after my claim. Comes active in LyLo.

[Vedith]

I still don't think that Nacho is scum.
He even said that Bella wasn't confirmed when I said I have a guilty.

[Vedith]

Lmao

Well look at it this way - If it was an error, then I highly doubt the confirm on Nacho would be an error also.

[Vedith]

You went from scum reading nacho to saying you don't think he's scum...

Doesn't matter, I'm getting lynched today and then scum wins lol.
Just tell me though, do you think that both my reads on Nacho and Bella were wrong? If no, then Nacho has to be town by default.

THINK ABOUT IT FOR 2 SECONDS!

[Vedith]

Intent

If you have anything to add vedith now is the time.

[Vedith]

Reveal as Innocent Child

[Vedith]

Thanks for the game guys.

[Vedith]

Thanks for modding Plot, was a fun game!
And good job town!

Happy for the thread to be seen - However, I don't want anyone stealing my great scum skills!

[Vedith]

Have to admit vedith, it was pretty amusing to see you play dumb there.

Who was playing?
Originally, I never knew about the rules of roles, but then I couldn't just switch.

[Vedith]

I really like how I pinpointed Dragon and KTS as scum this game. And Vedith was just obvscum after that cop claim

Fun game! Glad I could be a part of it!

<3 Plot!

You had to be killed!
Nice reads though, and enjoyed you in the game!

[Vedith]

Bellaphant, Dwlee99, hiplop, Murdercat, Raskolnikov, The_Jester,

Vedith

all won posthumously!

You know what Shadow?
GTFO!

I'm taking that as a win, got a screen shot and everything!