Micro 628: Beeboy Mafia - Game over!

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VOTE: Aristophanes
Btw, I'm lynchbait beeboy, which means I take one less vote to be lynched. (aka hated)

I think there's a lot of lynchbait in this game...

VOTE: Ircher

[insert dumb joke here]

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He's taking a long time to confirm because his role is confusing. Confusing things are anti town. Therefore, we should lynch him.

(There it is.)

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Probably cake, he self voted in post 1.

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I'm like 75% sure dwlee will be accidently hammered this game.

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Dwlee is maybe town tho

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Hated is a scum modifier
prove me wrong

My thinking is hated is just kind of a throwaway role to fill another slot. Scum roles are probably easier to think of, this is probably just a filler town role.

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Why wouldn't hated claim...

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I thought it over. Scum wouldn't claim hated. All that would happen is that they would be policy lynched the day before LyLo as a safety measure. Scum can't make that claim. He's confirmed Town.

If scum is hated they pretty much have to claim it or they will get accidentally hammered if they are ever wagoned so I don't really agree with this logic at all. That said, I still think he's town.

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The gain is that they won't be accidentally hammered before lylo... I also don't see why we would be forced to pl if it shuts off after day 3.

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A clown fiesta

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Come on, that was pretty clearly a joke..

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McMenno leans town to me and I never really felt otherwise.

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dumb wagon, imo

Feeling real iffy about the ari jump on.

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VOTE: Ari

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fucking lol

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I was voting there for the shitty jump on to a gut town lean, why others who seemed willing to vote McMenno are voting there I don't know...

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do it, u won't

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There's a vanilla town rolecard in the OP, so no?

That's not really convincing, he doesn't even say anyone has the VT role. I would guess there's a decent number of roles, I don't see this setup being very interesting if there's 5 VTs. Anyway we shouldn't speculate on it more.

Pedit: start your own wagon then.

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Ari, I don't know why you just did that but ok. I also don't understand why you are claiming in such an obtuse way, I'm assuming it's because you are trying to imply you can be confirmed town when you actually can't (don't answer that please). I don't really see why I would unvote you for that, until you are actually proven town (please don't try to do that now, or claim anything else).

Are we just going to keep wagoning everyone until we massclaim because I'd rather not...

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Creature, what about the claim convinces you Ari is town? Or were you just on the wagon for fun?

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Has Ari done anything to justify you moving your vote?

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I said town case, not claim. ffs

Well I ain't done shit and there was no case so...

It was pressure to havr you do something

Well, I did something!

Has Ari done anything to justify you moving your vote?

See above.

I'm already not liking your reaction to this.
VOTE: MurderCat

Mmk. The fact is that we created a pressure wagon on you and all you did was claim a role that is often scum aligned (as far as I'm concerned, I'm treating it as a neighbor claim). So the fact that Creature and Dwlee were willing to hop right off despite you not doing anything is weird as fuck to me and makes me think that they aren't acting acting with any purpose. Dwlee gets a day 1 pass for the reasons that I stated earlier.

VOTE: Creature

Answer my question please.

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And for what it's worth Ari, your OMGUSy "I don't like this" does not count as content so if you have something against me please say more than that.

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If Ari was mason why did he claim it in such a roundabout way? Until he actually claims mason (please don't) I'm going to work on the assumption he's a neighbor and the only reason to claim like that is to imply you are a mason which seems scummy as fuck to me.

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McMenno feels me. Do you agree with me about creature?

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Ok fine, at least there's some justification, I can accept that. I still want something from creature though.

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Fair enough.

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That whole thing was a silly NAI RT and it's silly anyone thinks differently.

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Keeping my vote here. That doesn't really answer my questions.

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Lol scum dwlee

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Why do you think he's town? Honestly he has a pretty shit ISO (reminds me of dwlee that game actually) but there's also nothing that screams scum motivation in it.

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Right but to play devil's advocate for a minute, there's nothing saying gameplay isn't just bad scum. I don't believe in too scummy to be scum, I won a scum game recently because town refused to lynch my partner (who was obv scum on day 1) until day 3 even though I bussed him the whole time.

If you are town then scum will probably bring you to lylo and play as poorly as possible.

Anyway Creature has what I consider to be an objectively scummy action so I'm voting there but if I weren't I would probably just sheep onto gameplay. To be honest if the slot doesn't produce good content we are pretty much forced to lynch there.

And for what it's worth this is pretty terrible jester play IMO so I'm discounting that theory.

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I'm going to assume you're not jester and your win condition means it's important to be town read. Stuff like the above really makes you look scummy. Instead of posting content you've just said lynching you is bad. Why not produce content instead of that nothing post?

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Why are you voting there if you aren't scum reading him? Why do you want to see his flip? We have plenty of time?

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That looks like L-1 by the way.

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Sorry. I normally play on sites with shorter deadlines and I just got out of a game that quickhammered twice in a row.

Why not unvote after this post? Look at the deadline, we have time. So why are you still voting there?

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VOTE: Ari

The attempt to reduce pressure by implying they were a mason instead of actually producing content is enough for me.

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Rhaz, if it doesn't matter now, what did you think was going on with the Masons?

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Aristo claimed that the "pseudo mason claim" he made was to get reactions.
I obviously don't buy it but oh well.

Lol

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I agree with him though, like there's a difference between not balanced and straight up unfun and unfair. Like scum only needs two mislynches to win if there's a jester and I don't really see how to make that work.

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Dwlee what do you think? I'm still inclined to go Ari, gameplay wagon had a lot of opportunistic votes and creature was real quick to jump off Ari.

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Dwlee is a town read of mine who hasn't commented yet?

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I am possibly Ari's partner after leading the Ari wagon, not accepting the claim, and not joining his counter wagon? When creature was so quick to jump off? For real? If Ari flips scum I should be fucking clear

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Well I recommend you look again at the creature unvote after the claim, it was very suspicious to me.

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Lol Ari are you for real? He's had a town read there all game. Like even when he voted he said he had a town read so that's just a blatant misstep.

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I thought your rhaz read was an association with gameplay?

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I don't see how that matters at all?

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Are you caught up Ircher? Can we get your thoughts on Ari??

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Why? And why?

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I think it's decently likely that one of them is scum.

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town feels REALLY WEAK right now.

How do you know?

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no dont lynch aristo i dont want that lynch

why?

UNVOTE:

we have time, and it seems like people have itchy fingers

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Dwlee who

do

you want? You've just said you don't want to lynch the neighbors. Your Ircher vote doesn't seem real. What are your reads?

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Why Rhaz? I like Rhaz

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For those townreading RhazhBash, why?

I think there was scum on gameplay. I mean I guess Rhaz voted there, but I don't see why scum would vote like that if they were trying to get the lynch through.

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I've played with RhazhBash twice in another site. He's usually aggressive as town and generic as scum. Guess which places he fits better here.

hmm

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Ircher is a townlean.

why?

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RhazhBash
Creature
Ircher
thenewearth

lynch someone in here

Oops forgot this one.

Of those I guess I could do creature but that's an associative read so it doesn't really make sense to do him before Ari. Earth I have no opinion on so I guess I could lynch there? Ircher I'm confident in reading later so I don't really want to lynch there day 1 because I know he's had limited time recently.

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The hop off Ari felt real weird to me. Ari is also conveniently out of your (long) lynch list and Ari doesn't actually seem to be interacting with you at all. Besides your Ari unvote your play has been fine, but I think Ari is scum so I'm on the lookout for partners.

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Creature why say that now?

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That's funny, I feel like there's been a weird lack of pressure on you.

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Nice. Doc shouldn't claim yet unless their protect is getting lynched, jk should claim if they were on a strong scum read.

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Ircher, what was that at the end of the day??

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Ircher why did you claim but not shoot, I don't get it.

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I would switch Rhaz and Ari

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How creature acted with the claim and stuff seemed like something I would expect him to do as town too

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The whole neighborhood thing was still terrible, IMO and I like game's case. To be fair I have never town read Ari in a game, even when I was scum lol.

Why Ircher didn't shoot there is beyond me though. But also why does scum Ircher claim that? I'm so confused.

1 sec, I'll quote Creature.

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I am going to warn, don't pusy my wagon near the deadline, role reasons.

Because I am feeling like a mislynch bait.

That's funny, I feel like there's been a weird lack of pressure on you.

Exactly. Scum could just be like "there has been lack of pressure on X" and get a free mislynch.

Specially when I've been ignored most of the day.

There's literally 0 reason for scum creature to do this I think. Like, I totally agreed that it was weird how no one was really talking about him and I think he was genuinely wierded out by it. Plus I'm assuming this is some sort of confirmable role otherwise it doesn't really make sense why he says it like that.

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We need to flip Ari, I just want Ircher to explain wtf is going on.

VOTE: Ari

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Is suicidal vig like a vengekill or does he claim "I'm viging Ari" during the day and both die?

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I though it was the later, Luna had a role like that in a marathon and she rekt Postie with it I think

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Who then?

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Ok well let's see what Ircher says.

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Ok well explain Ari to me that's what I disagree with.

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This is not convincing me

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Why does scum claim suicidal vig though

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If he was supposed to do the shot at night then he was probably just RB'd (meaning Ari is scum). But if that's true why did he claim it?

I have other ideas that revolve around a fake claim making sense but I don't want to discuss them in detail, I'll just wait for Ircher.

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UNVOTE:

No self hammer

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I want to figure out what's up with Ircher

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Was he? Well whatever I'll vote back when it's time, Ircher's vote just weirded me out

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Flavor-wise I mean; suicidal sounded like it would make much more sense from a flavorstandpoint

Did you realize it made your claim useless?

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Now I don't know what to think

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I just don't understand

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I can't think of any scum motivation for doing what Ircher did, but I still feel like Ircher should realize the claim ruins what he was trying to do. Also choosing vig in particular is strange because if there is a vig they would have shot him immediately.

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But Vig could still shoot you...

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Is that what you wanted?

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Still like Ircher over Ari even if I don't really understand what is going on with him this game.

Mcmemeo is still town.

VOTE: Ari

L-2

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Dwleeeee

Fine, sell me on Ircher.

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^

The only thing I can thing of is he thought he was an investigation target and this would avoid that. But it is short sighted obviously.

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I have said I find your claim scummy. Your general disinterest and unhelpfulness since then doesn't do much for me either

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That was at Ari by the way, missed the new page

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It's a neighbor claim named "Nahdia" with "beeboy" who's supposed to be a vanilla role.

I though vanilla was boring Beeboy?

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Jks that's just the flair

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Agree flavor claim would be nice

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It's been bad for me at times too

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Why?

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voting creature

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I don't think discussing flavor will help us at all.

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I'm upset we didn't flip one of the neighbors yesterday

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We are kind of at a standstill.

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I'm not really sure what to do about it tbh

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Sorry dwlee. I need to reread Ari's ISO now. Why did McMemeo die? Who was he scum reading?

Mass claim is a possibility but there's no reason to start the day with it I don't think, only if we reach a stand still. We have a lot to think about right now as it is.

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Oh fuck we are Mylo. Well we should discuss no lynching and if we don't want to we can mass claim.

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Do you have a guilty or not though

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There's guilties besides cop yo

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Why is he scum then?

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I am stubborn Beeboy, 1-shot bp

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I think I know why no kill happened

and no, it wasn't a good reason...

He thought it was a no kill so I don't think he targeted me

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So dwlee is hated, creature is loved, I'm bp, rhaz/Ircher are VT, gameplay is neighbor.

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That's all I think

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Ok I was wondering that but didn't want to mention it for obvious reasons. Why me and not mcmenno?

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There is a chance that's a fake claim and you waited until it was safe actually...

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But then what does "it's not a good reason" mean?

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VOTE: Creature

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Gg friends

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Thanks for modding cake, I think it was a fun game. Maybe it seemed scum sided but if town got a clue there was a cult (or lynched me day 1) it would have been very hard to win. Maybe it was balanced but really swingy (which is fine for a bastard micro, imo).

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No matter the size of difference between my town play and my scum play, I still get lynched.

You were obv town to me buddy it just takes knowing you to read you

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Cultist is insanely strong when you get a Townread as strong as Dwlee from the start in the Mafia. Even with all my mistakes and all the BS that happened, we were doomed the moment the player we thought was cleared got converted. Now I'm mad that my role couldn't stop a convert lol.

if mc flipped presumably their whole role pm would, and the converting spec would begin

Yeah and dwlee would be an obvious choice, I was banking on being town read the whole game.

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Creature FWIW you were the one I was most scared of because you suspected me harder than anyone.

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Beeboy did I make you proud?? Did he even read the game lol

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Yay! |o|

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Lmao

To be fair if dwlee scum read me day 1 it would have gone way differently.